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Are you seriously comparing Steve Jobs to those giants?

Listen, I don't want to be disrespectful to a man who's just died, but you dishonor him when you try to stack him up next to them.

The ideas and intellectual breakthroughs of the ancient Hellenese that have been passed down to the world through their books are infinitely of more importance than the work of Steve Jobs. This is just not a comparable matter.
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Wow, I hadn't even read this comment yet. Who is the zealot again? Everyone, EVERYONE, including you, believes uncountable things purely through conditioning, purely through repeated exposure without direct confrontation of the ideas with the conscious mind. There is no evidence suggesting there are any people who believe only things for which they've carefully deliberated; in fact, there is lots of evidence that this is not the case. You believe untold woo this very moment while spewing sanctimonious claptrap.
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The fact that every single feature is completely unusable DOES make a huge difference though...
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Well, I know things are said and then they can change, but Mixpanel states in their "we're hiring" posts, on here, that they're not looking to be acquired. Wonder how much money it'd take to change that?
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It gets me right when the live audience realizes that it's not a joke, and falls completely silent. He can barely keep it together on his last few lines.
While true, that doesn't really say much.
And please don't think of forking the FSF because RMS made fun of Steve Jobs if that is what people think he did.
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And eventually Apple starts supporting LLVM and the rest is history. Less and less of GCC is being used by Apple these days.
Stallman has made himself a public figure, and is a spokesman. Even on a "personal" blog, he has a responsibility to be tactful and not to make angry, hurtful, and unnecessary comments.
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Very snippy and all quite possibly true. Nevertheless, Monsanto has had a huge positive impact on agriculture all across the world. Nobody puts a gun to the head of the farmers. They choose to buy Monsanto because of higher yields. Higher yields bring in more revenue to the farmers and reduce prices worldwide, at the same time. Lower prices = fewer people starving.
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I'm wondering how anyone could strongly prefer author portraits over ads when the portraits look as creepy as they do.

My point really should've been: between creepy pictures and bland ads, I'll take the ads--especially if I can effectively get a few books for free.
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I guess that's an idea I fundamentally disagree with, and even find a bit offensive. As I said above:

I like that in geek culture we don't have this weird demand for people to be 24/7 ensconced in a professional PR-oriented persona, like a CEO or politician...

If people are pulling things out of a personal blog and broadcasting it across the web in sensational terms, I blame the yellow journalists more than him. I might still disagree with him, but I don't blame him out of context of his blog, as some kind of always-on spokesperson.

Plus, it's not like he hasn't telegraphed, for almost 30 years, that he doesn't plan to be that kind of PR-oriented spokesperson, so one can hardly be shocked about it in 2011.
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Note that this does not begin, "Here's the the assholes, the heartless, the tactless, the people who think they are above the rest of humankind, who always know better than everyone else, who must teach us how to think."

RMS has done some admirable things, but he's in dire need of some mental help. Seriously.
kloncks is probably utilizing hyperbole in making comparisons with the great thinkers of western civilization.

That said, we do still talk about Edison, Carnegie, and Rockefeller, over a century later. A millennium? Probably not, but the point is valid, even if off by roughly half an order of magnitude.
>That's the problem, you're the problem if you refuse to accept that the best solution is going to be the freedom for people to sell commercial closed software as well as use open software.

That's a debatable point since a sizable portion of the world's population does not think that capitalism is a good system. It's mind boggling that the task of convincing people to work together and share even exists, considering how social humans are.

>They're little more than negative campaigners "Windows 7 Sins" etc.

Here you have groups of people working towards the primary goal of taking money from you and the secondary goal of locking you into their brand so that you must continue to pay them and yet you vehemently defend them. These people are not your friends in a very active and direct way! Would we have solved other social issues such as equal rights without a stick or did they improve precisely because the powers that be begun to feel threatened? Are you aware of the fact that your local government is an organization which has a monopoly on sticks (which it is very ready to use against you)? Why do you not speak out about that if you are principally against sticks? Surely (I can't stop calling you that) those sticks hit a little closer to home? Incidentally, the very companies you are defending use their sticks the most.

Besides, since when did it become so politically incorrect to point out unethical behavior?
I believe Google releases these things for free so that people can help them test it out and help them find the right pricing model. I'm not too sure there are a lot of people that will immediately base their business model on a service that has not yet announced the pricing. I think Google has been extremely reasonable with App Engine. Also, Lock-in can be relatively avoided if you write your code correctly.
The graph in the middle of the article forecasts that the number of mobile gadgets will almost double the number of PCs in two years.
The article very clearly promotes Erlang and the actor model too:

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[Citation needed] for all that, with a proper point of reference with C or C++, as per my original comment.
Unless you're working a seriously crazy angle like Phelps, there's generally more money to be made outside the church than within it. I think most people who have devoted their lives to a church are either sincere, or they started out sincere and started working an angle after becoming disillusioned.
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It's not a prison even if you do use it. The defining characteristic of a prison is that you cannot leave it. I can stop using an iPad any time I wish.

And yes, important data should not be locked in non-portable formats. At the same time, I've never found myself in a situation where I simply could not extract important data from a non-portable format into a more portable one.
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Sure, no one's saying Jobs will be forgotten to the sands of time any time soon. Yet 1000 years is a little bit of a stretch, especially when you try to size him up next to the ancient greats.
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His face changes. He drops the character. That's what gets me. He never does that.
> "Tolerance, love, and generosity. If you don't know religious people who are the epitome of these qualities and find strength to exhibit them from their religion, you are living in a bubble."

Certainly there are many people of all cultures and religions who are tolerant, loving and generous. But mostly to those of their own culture/religion.

As for living in bubbles, that is _precisely_ the purpose of culture/religion - to enclose the individual with a selected group, keep him/her under control and prevent him/her from interacting with outside groups. Take food taboos as an example - it's difficult to be friends with someone if you can't eat with them.

And while there may be hatred and bigotry outside of religion, it pales compared to what religion has given the world. Of course I consider most "-ism"s to be religions too.
That RMS wrote the GPL, or extended LLNL's Pastel compiler into GCC, does not endow him with responsibility for the success of all free software. Do you really think, given the influence of academia, that there would be no FOSS-equivalent compiler available but for RMS's efforts?

Jobs is responsible for Apple's success. For repeatedly creating devices that have disrupted industries. RMS deserves credit for his contributions, but it is not all-thanks-to-him that we have FOSS.

Yes Apple's software has been closed. But has this been at the expense of FOSS, as RMS claims?

Has Apple actively tried to subvert the GPL by lobbying governments to avoid FOSS? Has Jobs publicly whined about the GPL? Has he engaged in OOXML-esque bad-faith efforts to keep data formats proprietary?
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The issue is not at all with his opinion. It is that he expressed it in a horrendously, gratuitously crass and offensive way. Here is a transliteration into humane language of what he said:

"My heart goes out to Steve Jobs' family in their time of grief. And my heart also goes to the millions of people who looked up to him as an icon and inspiration. But we need to not get so carried away honoring the dead that we forget the damage that Jobs' work had on the Free Software movement.

His pioneered the software walled garden, which destroys freedom and choice. And he targeted it at people who would not understand what they were sacrificing by giving up their freedoms.

We can only hope that his successors make Apple a more free company, or failing that, are not as effective at spreading it as he was."

Wasn't that better? And it communicated substantively the same thing, but without all the name calling and the seeming glee over the death of another human.

Disclaimer: I typed this on my Macbook Air.

Edit: One more thing to add. Saying "I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone" is tripe. Being gone is a euphemism for being dead. The reason we mourn when a loved one dies is precisely because that means they are gone.

Maybe RMS sees a subtle distinction between death and gone-ness in his head. But I promise you that people in grief see absolutely no distinction between the death and the loss of the person they mourn.
RMS is glad Jobs is gone. This means he thinks Jobs' non-FOSS is a net negative for the world.

[edit of first sentence for clarity]
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The point of the whole article is "proven" with that test/graph. It neither includes a simple scalar version nor versions on different languages. And they are recommending specific languages (Scala/Erlang).
I agree that this example is a little confusing. The author is making assumptions about the behavior of the Django admin site based on either his previous experience using it, or the Django documentation. In practice it could be extremely difficult to write advance tests for third-party libraries, although I admit I don't have much experience doing this.

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There are always lots of problems with these counterfactual scenarios. For one thing, if Apple had gone ahead and disappeared they wouldn't have been around to compete with. It's hard to imagine what would have become of, say, the BeOS in a world without Apple because in practice Apple did survive, and stole all of Be's oxygen.

It is important to remember that computing trends are driven by manufacturing. Even if Apple had gotten taken apart and Steve Jobs had (improbably) taken up bass fishing, processors would still have gotten smaller and more efficient, batteries would have continued to improve, displays would have been built. Touchscreen devices would have eventually arrived. Hard drives would still have gotten larger and cheaper on schedule; flash memory would still have gotten cheap enough to build SSDs. And these trends would have encouraged the growth of, say, pure-digital delivery of movies and music - Apple didn't invent the MP3, or Napster, and they famously didn't invent the portable MP3 player.

What Steve Jobs did was see all the trends very clearly, realize the products that they would eventually enable, and just steer straight towards those products with ultimate focus. But the trends were still there. These things were going to happen. It's true that some of them might have arrived years or even decades later, though, and with a lot less flair.
I didn't say the original app had all the "EXACT" same functionality as what is in the iPhone 4S.

It has a lot of the same basic functionality that I have used and would continue to use on my 3GS, except that I can't because Apple turning it off on all iPhone models except for the new 4S. (It already appears to be offline for me.)

I don't disagree that the new implementation looks to be far more polished, tightly integrated, and probably just plain better than what I had.

What I object to, is them taking it away and forcing an upgrade of hardware if I still want to use the same features I already have been.

The "SAME," "EXACT" semantics are yours, not mine. I don't think I implied that either. They took an existing app away and the features are now only available on brand new hardware. That is a business and marketing decision, not a limitation of existing hardware.
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Keep in mind, Stallman is the douche who wrote this:

Steve Jobs, the pioneer of the computer as a jail made cool, designed to sever fools from their freedom, has died.

As Chicago Mayor Harold Washington said of the corrupt former Mayor Daley, "I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone." Nobody deserves to have to die - not Jobs, not Mr. Bill, not even people guilty of bigger evils than theirs. But we all deserve the end of Jobs' malign influence on people's computing.

Unfortunately, that influence continues despite his absence. We can only hope his successors, as they attempt to carry on his legacy, will be less effective.

I think he's lost the right to offer opinions about Steve or Apple.
Keep moving the point of the conversation to fit your anti-Stallman flaming.
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This isn't about OS X. This is about Stallman being effective as the leader of the FSF, which apparently he feels entitles him to say any damn thing he wants, regardless of how tasteless it is. That's not the mark of a leader.

That's the mark of a self-inflated ass.
What are these? I don't know of one program on OS X that is GNU. I'm probably wrong, just curios to know.
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It's ironic- it would seem to be RMS who is getting carried away. A great man has died, and all RMS can think about is what this means for the Free Software movement? To me, this discredits him more than anything I have ever heard him say. Software is not more important than life.

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This wasn't Apple at this time. This was after Jobs had been ousted and had gone with NeXT.
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I think Stallman has earned some negative sentiment with that statement. As he is so closely identified with the FSF, regardless of intent, it's inevitable that there would be spillover.

It's not the mission, it's the man we have a problem with. Yes, he's done a lot for Free Software and software in general, most of it good. He has taught us a lot and probably learned a few things.

The next thing he needs to learn is when to keep some of his thoughts to himself. His statement, in no way, advances the cause of Free Software.
It would have probably been far more annoying to compile to something like that. I've not programmed in Objective C but I believe that it was designed to avoid some of the issues that arose out of C++ being originally a preprocessor like that on top of C. Given that they wanted to do that, having to compile to some kind of IR, then to C, they would have likely had a much harder time getting the code optimized in any reasonable manner. I would also imagine that this would make debugging any part of the compiler that ended up producing incorrect code far more difficult to do.
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I don't think he has any responsibility to be tactful at all. The question is this: by whose standards should someone's words be judged as "angry, hurtful, and unnecessary"? Yours? His? Mine? Many years ago, it was very clear whose standards were relevant -- those who held political power. In societies that are blessed with freedom of speech, this is no longer the case. The responsibility is entirely with the reader to be mature enough to hear a dissenting opinion.
Why would Apple want to impose that extra workload on itself and its developers?

Maybe they won't but it seems to me they can't stay (only) at 3.5" or 960x640 forever. I think it might be quite sometime before we see a 1920x1280 display to allow for the clever pixel doubling trick again.

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The point was that RMS is wrong when he asserts[1] that Apple and Jobs have hurt the development of free software.

[1] RMS: "we all deserve the end of Jobs' malign influence on people's computing"
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