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Steve Jobs inspired me on so many levels. Whenever I need a boost I find myself watching one of his incredibly powerful talks, oozing with inspiration. The man accomplished more in an hour than most will their entire lives. This is a hard loss for our entire industry.
The hard thing to digest is that Steve never had any peers. This is one huge world, with millions using consumer technology. But there is no one else from which to expect the level of innovation Steve Jobs could do. There is a vacuum.
you know what, give it a rest. Steve Jobs was an icon. If it was someone you cared deeply for you wouldn't mind so much.
What Steve Jobs Taught Me
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I rather the almost-latest but stablest, but thank you :)

just moved from ubuntu because of unity on all my computers except my netbook (never used gnome there anyway), and i'm not missing anything.
I know they did a similar tribute for Edsgar Dijkstra in 2002. Are there any other times Google has done a home page tribute for a single person, like this?
http://www.siliconvalley.com/ci_19049516
"Steve was among the greatest of American innovators - brave enough to think differently, bold enough to believe he could change the world, and talented enough to do it."

"think differently" <-- i wonder if this was intentional.
"And if Colin were entirely ignorant of technology, the history of computers, human-computer interaction, etc. to the degree of, say, someone who has been in a coma for 30+ years, then it would be necessary to make those statements."

this is the kind of unhelpful snark that doesn't have a place on HN (imo).

At least with known people like Colin, it seems better to assume good will on his part, just that he has a different opinion on the relative contribution of Steve Jobs.

And specifically to your point, it seems to me that Colin is questioning how much of "technology, the history of computers, human-computer interaction" was actually driven by Jobs himself. His answer seems to be "not all that much" and I do think it is a valid point of view that needs a refutation not a rude dismissal just because he has opinions different from yours.

fwiw I do think Jobs is more than a "salesman". I just don't have the detailed information on his turnaround of Apple or the knowludge of what it takes to run a company etc to refute Colin properly.

I think Colin's more subtle point maybe that even in mourning, we focus too much on the celebrity in the limelight and not so much on the 'real' (please note the quotes) contributors to computing.

All that said, I've said what I think needs saying and won't be saying any more on this and won't extend the thread any further.

Like a lot of other HN ers, I am processing Steve's passing in my own fashion and if I don't say the usual things like "RIP Steve. he will be missed" etc it is because that isn't my style.

Peace.
Maybe it's time to step away from the computer and take a long walk. Don't hurry back.
Steve Jobs on Google Homepage
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That might be true, but I don't develop web apps so I can't argue and I'll respect your opinion. Consequently, I don't understand why posting a relevant, evidential opinion is grounds for negative karma. I'm not complaining-- I genuinely don't get it. I thought that was for violating the guidelines (I concede that if anything this comment is the one the should be treated as such for that reason).
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An inspiration to all of us. The day October 5th, 2011 will be remembered as the day the earth lost one of the greatest minds of all time.
He did mention that Ron Conway would have know even more people.
https://twitter.com/cperciva/status/121744770480615425

a retweet (not me). but, it struck a chord with me.
"that with startups, people are more willing to help out their peers"

I'm going to guess that this happens in the entertainment industry as well. The similarity being that the person you are rooming with or working with who has a bit part on some show with you might be the next big star. So I would imagine people tend to be nice and helpful to people in any field where there is a big prize and it's not easy to tell (like with sports) who the next star or Spielberg might be. Because in addition to skill (which many have, as has been said with acting for example) there is luck and landing that key opportunity that launches your career. And if you happen to have known or have been friends with that successful person it could only help your career.
Zuckerberg, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Bill Gates And Tim. Thanks You Steve
Without the assistance of a person (or people) with all of those other characteristics, deep technical abilities accomplish nothing. If it were not for Steve the engineers and workers who actually designed and built the stuff would still have died unknown and they would have also probably died without having anything of significance to point to and say "I helped create that."
It is the biggest news story of the day for this community. But it's regrettable that three or four different sources are submitted for the SAME statement by (for example) Bill Gates, when there must be one main best source (and one canonical URL for that source) for most stories like that. Almost the only Apple product I ever use--and not much--is QuickTime, but I acknowledge that Jobs had a huge influence on his whole industry. Apple has always been good at setting up remote working opportunities for many of its employees, so I've had several local friends who work for Apple, and they are uniform in their admiration for his leadership of Apple.
Steve Jobs unveils the first Apple Macintosh in 1984
The look of pride on Jobs' face when he first unveiled the Macintosh will be forever burned into my mind as a testament to the satisfaction that comes from the act of creation. RIP to a visionary and auteur.
Very apt.

There is an easter-egg from this 'Think Different' campaign in OSX. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_Different#Mac_OS_X
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HN is much more tech focused and each of the front page articles has high votes, not sure how PG would "fix" that.

But I've created a filtered feed for the next few days:

http://feeds.feedburner.com/hacker-news-filtered

(it removes "steve" "jobs" and "apple" and will be deleted after the weekend)
Tech leades react to Steve Jobs Death and Wozniak dines at Outback
It's all too easy to play up the impact that artists, politicians, and speakers have, we see them foisting their worldview on the Universe and begging people to accept it and to be changed by it. But artisans and industrialists can have just as much if not greater impact. Steve Jobs invented, perfected, and helped popularized devices, services, and ideas that affected many, many people's lives and livelihoods. Unimaginable amounts of art has been made using the tools that he had a very large hand in, and that barely touches the impact he has had on the world. He wasn't a saint, he wasn't a poet, but he touched and changed an unimaginable number of lives, for that he deserves respect.
Is this new opportunity for QA or for development? It's not clear from your post, and that's a point worth considering.

If you want to do software development, a QA role will make things more difficult down the road when you're looking for a development job. It's very easy to get typecast in this industry, and the leap from QA to development is a difficult one.

Assuming the new job would be for a role you're interested in, I don't see the harm in switching at all. The rule of thumb I've heard is that you should try to stick at each job for roughly 2 years, but that rule's easier to break when you're young and just out of school than it is later on. This could be very easy to explain to future employers, so I wouldn't worry about them at all.
At my previous job (working on e-commerce sites built on IBM Websphere Commerce) the server setup was so heavy and complicated and client-specific that we did everything in VMs that were passed around on external hard drives. If I was working on one client and needed to look up something for another, I regularly came close to maxing out my full 8 gig of RAM.
"Real artists ship."
Minor detail: The Air app is still available and may work as a desktop solution on Linux.

http://www.rdio.com/#/apps/air/

(I personally love rdio and am completely confused by spotify.)
Also, at about 2:40: "And I have experienced a deathbed conversion. I recently bought a Macintosh." Interesting given the context in which this article was posted on HN.
Steve Wozniak and Jobs, old friends.
Just a photograph at this points. Post is likely soon to follow.
What a life < he said it perfectly
Every single link at HN frontpage is about Jobs passage atm. It may looks obvious, but look at the importance of the guy between hackers. RIP.
Steve Jobs is Big News
"Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything -- all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart. ... Stay hungry. Stay foolish."
I cringe to think that they had to have written this in advance.
I think giving virtually all of the credit, wealth and social standing to the "visionary" is a massive error which shafts a lot of people, who are even more rare, unique and talented than Steve Jobs. He deserves a lot of credit to be sure, but it's almost insulting to say that engineers couldn't design a phone on their own.
Stay hungry. Stay foolish.
"You've got to find what you love. And that is as true for your work as it is for your lovers."
Why has Steve Jobs' death got more press than Ralph Steinman's?
Right now, every single story in the top 30 on HN is related to Steve Jobs. A search for "ralph steinman" on HN now turns up a total of two results (but these proportions are not limited to HN). I would like to find an answer and explanation to the question in the title. Was Jobs that much more valuable to society? Whether technology is beneficial to society is out of the question-- did Jobs technological innovations contribute more to society than a Nobel laureate's work in immunology, or does it just come down to popularity with the general public?
Factually it's [someone] (has) died, of course.
In reportage, the present tense is typically used for headlines no matter if present or past. I.e. "The Fed increases the overnight interbank rate by 25 basis points." "[Politician] wins senate race", etc.
Ives and a lot of other higher ups at Apple get a lot of credit. But I think your comments are misguided. I think working at Apple carries a certain level of prestige in itself, and I know they are rewarded with a great salary.
I believe Walter Isaacson/his publisher moved up the date because the manuscript was simply done early, not at Steve's request.

Also, it was most likely moved up to sell more during the holiday quarter.

From what little information has been released about the book, Steve was just about as hands-off as you can be (no request to read it before publishing, no demands about off-limits topics, etc.).

The author also responded to speculation that the publication date had been moved up because of a rumored decline in Jobs' health. "It's actually not related to any decline," he said. "I turned most of the book in this past June. It's now all done and edited. The March 2012 date (or whatever date it was) was never a deeply-considered pubdate. Like the original cover design, it came about because the publisher wanted to put something in the database last spring."

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/08/15/biography_of_a...
As I was typing the hacker news url, I wondered how many top stories would be about steve, but I did not expect all of them.
Be sure to notice the enormous speakers hiding in the background.
Steve Jobs is a visionary not because he saw the future, he is a visionary because he created it.
Art and computers are my two passions. No one did more to unite them than Steve Jobs. A great man.
"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary."
Why do you(or the president) think exaggerating his accomplishments is warranted or even tasteful?

It's not 100% true, I know plenty of people with no apple devices, who don't care at all about apple or it's products.

Personality cults like this are embarrassing, and a major weakness for critical thinking. Celebrate the man for what he did, not some deified hero icon.
Steve Jobs: The Playboy Interview (1985)
Here is the text:

'From the earliest days of Google, whenever Larry and I sought inspiration for vision and leadership, we needed to look no farther than Cupertino. Steve, your passion for excellence is felt by anyone who has ever touched an Apple product (including the macbook I am writing this on right now). And I have witnessed it in person the few times we have met.

On behalf of all of us at Google and more broadly in technology, you will be missed very much. My condolences to family, friends, and colleagues at Apple.'
Steve Jobs' death is not the only thing that happened today.
Look, i'm sad to see him go, and it's certainly noteworthy, but can you honestly say that the front page needs 30 different articles on his passing? Most of them are just random people commenting on his passing. Let's show a little restraint.
It's easy to fix, just add a "jailbait" submission page.

In all seriousness though, I don't really view it as a problem per se. Reddit has a couple million viewers a day, isn't entirely tech-related, and has downvotes for submissions. HN just appeals to a different niche audience, and there's a glut of submissions about this singular, rather large bit of news.
Even if you don't own anything made by Apple and don't care at all about it, it's hard to deny that it has had a major influence on computing, and through that on the modern world in general.
From the perspective of the "average" professional programmer with a CS degree the vast majority of all programmers, even those who get paid to do it, are rank and utter beginners. Most programmers cannot solve fizzbuzz. Most programmers don't grok recursion, and have trouble with iteration from time to time. If you were to look at a graph of # of programmers within different skill level bins the "beginner" bin would outweigh all the others by a significant margin.

That's why you can replace PHP with RoR, you need to replace PHP with something that out PHP's PHP, but is based on sounder principles so that in the important cases where a beginner is climbing up the skill ladder or a system originally created in a "beginner language" grows or becomes sufficiently advanced they won't hit a brick wall where they need to migrate to an entirely different technology in order to progress.
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If they do that, there will be a recorded message from him. He wouldn't miss this for nothing.

But it's very doubtful. Launching it now would shorten the life of the 4 and 4S and spell doom to the now free 3GS.
Respect is honoring his accomplishments, inflating them is disrespectful.
Sorry to nitpick, but it fails to give "FizzBuzz" for 15 and other multiples of 3 and 5.
Did Steve Jobs really change the world?
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Another one they linked to was Randy Pausch's last lecture.
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Hacker News Organic Steve Jobs Tribute
I don't want to get technical when the purpose of this article is clearly an expression of our collective grief about the loss of Steve Jobs.

Suffice it to say that for academic interest, it's worth becoming familiar with the difference between endocrine (e.g., islet cell [Jobs]) and exocrine (e.g. pancreatic adenocarcinoma [Pausch]) cancers because their prognoses differ wildly.
I replied to one saying "Thank you for your continued interest, but I am no longer interested in having an employer." Maybe not those exact words, but close, and that short. Haven't heard from them in nearly two years, when it used to be every 6-12 months.
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you can find a way to get by with slower internet

The simulator gave you the option to go to the library instead. It also gave you the option to put the dog to sleep for $50, or just let the dog suffer. It seems to me you're ignoring that the simulator gave you a lot of cheaper options, it just wasn't afraid to point out that the cheaper options seriously suck.

unless you jack the rate all the way up to 18%

Not uncommon for someone with ruined credit.

a pet who's costing an extra hundred bucks in rent

No, a pet that's costing an extra $0 in rent, until the landlord finds out about it.

Long term poverty creates a requirement that you bend and break the rules. You don't pay parking tickets. You don't pay phone bills. You go without insurance (health or even car). You don't get your car street legal. You don't take your dog to the vet. You don't tell your landlord you have a dog, because then he'll charge you extra. You dodge creditors. These bad decisions aren't always made so that people can still go to strip clubs and snort coke.

All that shit catches up to you. I'm not gonna argue whether your poverty experience is universal enough to discredit this simulator, but the fact is, I'm kinda amazed that you don't factor any of that into these equations. To make it like there's no such thing as no-win situations when you don't have two nickels to rub together, I'm trying to wrap my head around that.

To me, the simulator seemed to get something that you don't seem to. That shit creeps up on you, no matter how good of decisions you make. That it's really easy to say "Hey, there, poor person, why do you have a car, a phone, and a dog? Why aren't you living a life of total austerity so that your bootstraps last longer?" but that's a way more unrealistic perspective than any shortcomings of the simulator.

I'm glad nothing terrible has happened to you, and you've had complete control over your life. That has not been a universal experience for me or the people I know.
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In your example HN has 23 links visible on the page (without scrolling), while Reddit has 10 links. Greater quantity of information over visual aesthetic appeals to the hacker market.
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Do we need 30 posts about Jobs on the front page?
In my mind, I think not. It is tragic that he has died, and there is much coverage from many sites. However, I assume that other things are happening in the world around us?
At first, when I read the headline...I rolled my eyes...and thought either Kara or Walt are just re-hashing what everybody else is saying.

But then I read it, and it was surprisingly amusing.

This paragraph had me dying:

After his liver transplant, while he was recuperating at home in Palo Alto, California, Steve invited me over to catch up on industry events that had transpired during his illness. It turned into a three-hour visit, punctuated by a walk to a nearby park that he insisted we take, despite my nervousness about his frail condition.

He explained that he walked each day, and that each day he set a farther goal for himself, and that, today, the neighborhood park was his goal. As we were walking and talking, he suddenly stopped, not looking well. I begged him to return to the house, noting that I didn’t know CPR and could visualize the headline: “Helpless Reporter Lets Steve Jobs Die on the Sidewalk.”

I can just imagine how terrified Walt must have been.
I understand that the two websites appeal to different audiences, but it intrigues me as to how Reddit is able to mitigate topic spamming without some sort of topic merge functionality.
Give it a few hours. I'm sure tomorrow everything will filter out.

Unfortunately I can't flag down some of these posts ...
This is a filtered feed that removes "steve" "jobs" and "apple"

http://feeds.feedburner.com/hacker-news-filtered

I'll delete it after the weekend to respect PG.

This is probably going to last quite a bit longer than the 24 hour news cycle.
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Mr. Jobs was an amazing person. I sincerely hope the President is mourning his loss. Unfortunately, his prior statements make me wonder whether he truly understood what Mr. Jobs added to our culture through the inventions he helped pioneer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7...
You have a window to edit or delete the comment before it is locked in. To be fair, I also thought the "ref" portion of the URL might be an affiliate link, but decided to assume the best case scenario.

Not that we need proof that this book is going to sell like crazy, but the current Amazon rankings for it are:

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #2 in Books
#1 in Books > Business & Investing > Industries & Professions > High-Tech
#1 in Books > Business & Investing > Biography & History
#1 in Books > Computers & Internet > Business & Culture > Biographies
And specifically to your point, it seems to me that Colin is questioning how much of "technology, the history of computers, human-computer interaction" was actually driven by Jobs himself.

Obviously that is his position. And my position is that anyone who would ask such a question must surely have next to zero knowledge of technology, the history of computers, human-computer interaction, etc. An alternative explanation might be willful ignorance.
A unique look at an unbelievable man.
What Steve Taught Me
An amazing interview with Steve and Bill...takes me back...
Steve Jobs Knew The End Was Near Weeks Ago, Says Coming Biography
"The Steve Jobs I knew" - http://allthingsd.com/20111005/the-steve-jobs-i-knew/
Possibly the last hippy that took his LSD experiences and actually changed the world.
I could certainly see it recognizing dates and prompting you afterwards to confirm. Doesn't seem to be ridiculously far away from what it is doing now
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That's fair. I don't see a lot of balanced assessment though.
I think it was surprising for many of us how emotional this loss was. There were moments I literally couldn't/wouldn't believe this was happening. Amazing how many people he touched. RIP Steve, we truly miss you.
I'd say it has at least a bit to due with sampling bias - many of the more prolific content-creators on the internet are more likely to comment on the passing of Jobs than Steinman.
Evan Martin has a nice visualization of what the Chromium binaries consist of: http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2010/11/tree-ma...