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Thank you both for the fast replies. I appreciate it.

I guess I have a decision to make. Ultimately, I'm trying to build something with some complex features. It seems it might, as willpower put it, eventually outpace his ability to consume and learn fast enough. It isn't business-y as much as it is an internet platform for a lot of users (social network aspects, but not a social network persay).

Bleh. I'm not trying to be stingy with equity or anything by not wanting him on if he can't contribute, but the reason for me thinking of now changing my mind is the following:

1. He's a good friend. I want him to stay that way. If it's truly hard for him to keep up, I don't want to then get need someone better to jump on board later. Then what does he do?

2. Say he doesn't bother doing the technical side. I'm not sure where else he'd fit in terms of skills. He's not terribly artistic/design inclined. And while I don't doubt his business skills, I have immersed myself in business and marketing books, went to school for business, and am far more energetic/passionate as a salesmen. It is why if he did know the technical side, his personality and skills would complement my own.

3. Well... I feel like lists always need at least 3. Unfortunately, I started the numbering before realizing that I didn't have a third thing to say, ha.

So, it's actually more just about team dynamics and what he'd even have to do than dealing with equity or something.

Since, honestly, I've been doing everything but the back-end side just fine (not progressing quickly as I'd like due to my full time job, but I digress) on my own and expect to continue handling all of that.

Oh man. I feel terrible. I was just so excited when I thought about the idea of us working together and finally have a partner who could perhaps handle the technical end. I neglected to fully realize how difficult a role I was putting in his hands as someone with no technical experience.

One last thing. Since as of now it seems like I made the wrong decision and want to back out of it. Would you think this is a reasonable thing to say:

I'm sorry to say this, but I was thinking more about the ability for either of us to learn to code the back-end and I think it'd be tough to get up to speed fast enough starting from scratch like this. And all our other strengths overlap, so it'd be hard to really split roles up, so I don't think it's a good idea to partner up on this. You seemed excited about starting something and why not keep with it, even it's not with this idea? Just brainstorm some ideas on your own, bounce them off me, and still go through with it. We can help each other along the way.

I don't know. I'll say something like that to him. Let me know if it comes off terrible. Since I feel terrible.
PicLyf sounds like a good entry for Tractup: http://www.tractup.com a site for early product traction. :s

Anyway, sounds good.
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I don't know if the demand is there. Most first-world citizens don't create their own literature, music, art or furniture, even though the tools are readily available. I doubt mom and pop will start programming, because I doubt they want to.
>Farmers and the fertilizer people who do a lot of the spraying live in the community. Having been a part of that fraternity I can guarantee you they aren't going to do anything to pollute their world or ship a product they wouldn't let their own family consume.

how idyllic. I guess it is some other, bad-bad-bad, farmers and fertilizer people who did all this agricultural damage to the nature.
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This reminds me a bit of Nikola Tesla's autobiography. He had an unbelievable ability to build mental models of mechanical and electrical things, and he said that they always worked in real life exactly the way he had envisioned them. His mental models were so intense that he would sometimes forget that other people couldn't see them. It's a fascinating, brief read.
>Maybe RMS sees a subtle distinction between death and gone-ness in his head. But I promise you that people in grief see absolutely no distinction between the death and the loss of the person they mourn.

It is not legitimate for the mass of HN to be "in grief" because of Steve Jobs's death. You may be sad, but certainly no grieving period should be necessary for strangers.

Stallman was not overtly disrespectful imo, and there's a solid distinction between "gone" and "dead". "Gone" can mean retired just as well as it could mean dead -- the point is that that person is no longer influential in the circles they were affecting.
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Be careful about conflating the Free Software Foundation with the Open Source Initiative. Free software is about distributing source code for moral reasons, while open source is about distributing source code for utilitarian reasons.

I think you're right; if open source hasn't won, it's doing pretty well. But as far as the FSF is concerned that's doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. The FSF isn't going to declare victory until they bring everybody around to their moral point of view.
piclyf sounds more than that, very good idea! Good luck with it.

Oh and a friend of mine were just talking to me about ideas on shared photos some days ago. I think you should think if you have not already did it, about very interactive stuff on photos like deformation, alien head transformation, mini games... I'm not expert, my friend is. People really like to share photos. Good luck again.

Oh and, the "photo-blog your life" works well to me. =)
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I always thought loon was a shortened term for "lunatic". Not that I'm calling RMS one.
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How long can you justify Stallman's behavior as Stallman being Stallman before you recognize the damage it does to the movement?
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The other possibility is to acknowledge that the Retina display's dot pitch is actually quite a bit better than it has to be. I wouldn't mind 15% larger pixel dimensions if it means a 15% larger screen.
You do realize that Apple has been dependent on GCC to build its products for most of Jobs' second tenure, don't you? Some of that is code that RMS personally wrote.

They've also been the most significant backer of a successful replacement for GCC.
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Its not hard to imagine that Jobs would react much the way most of his own rivals have reacted, the way normal decent human beings do, with class and respect. My post was less about guessing something about Steve Jobs's character and more about letting readers reflect upon just how abnormal and deranged RMS's comments are compared to any others.
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You might want to present a little more content before asking people to sign up.
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Anytime anyone advises you that something can never work, you should run screaming. "Never" is an extremely long time.

First of all, what's being referred to here as "education" is really dozens of different categories of products -- it's very challenging to generalize about all of them.

Secondly, the author asserts that building a meaningful education business will take 20 years. It's interesting that he makes that assertion since he didn't spend 20 years on his own education business. But consider that every meaningful innovation always seems like it's 20 years away. (Indoor plumbing probably seemed at least 20 years away the day before it was invented.) But then, as soon as something is invented, it immediately seems obvious and commonplace. That's how innovation works; that's why it fascinates us.

The big problem with education is that most investors work on pattern recognition, which is to say they want to see some variant of something they've seen before. So they fund shitty businesses that really act more like media companies or software companies because they think that's how they'll achieve scale. And it's unsurprising that students are indifferent, because students want to be actually educated and your highly scalable education business essentially rickrolled them.
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I'm sorry, but - what a nutcase. Silently accepts Stallman's years of nasty comments, cynical attitudes, world-wide conspiracy theories and downright condescension all through. Then Stallman says something unfriendly about god^H^H^H Jobs, and he resigns. Oh, come on.
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The RMS posting is hardly "horrendously, gratuitously crass and offensive".
It's also a bird. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loon

The bird does, notably, have better hygiene than RMS.
This is an easy excuse but it's dead simple wrong. Students represent a huge amount in spending power, with a huge percentage of that being discretionary spending on non-essential items. Students spend money. Lots of money. Parents spend even more. A lack of a market isn't the reason ed-tech startups fail. It's lack of value.
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It's just a name. Their OS versions are named after felines, for heaven's sake.

The consumer couldn't care less about which generation of iPhone they are looking at. As long as it's obvious that one is newer than the other, the actual moniker matters little.
"There was also too much of rehashing of things demoed during WWDC."

I may be completely off-base, but I have a feeling that they dwelled on past accomplishments during the event on purpose. They assumed that Steve would be watching, and they wanted to honor his achievements one last time.
And of course, LLVM is free and open source as well... just without the GPL.
Did he really type those 2 lines using 2 thumbs in 7 seconds?
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This is kind of like wanting a "toned down" PETA. People don't devote their lives to marginalized causes without either having or picking up a twinge of zealotry. If you want those people to stand up for causes you mutually believe in, you have to take the bad with the good.

RMS might not be the best possible Free Software advocate, but I'm glad someone's doing it, and nobody else seems to be volunteering for the job.
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You're comparing a compiler (necessary to build stuff), with a javascript library which makes things a bit easier for newbies?

If people needed a compiler, they would have built one. Jquery was an optional addition that some like using. It hasn't enabled things that weren't possible before.
Getting a partner only because he is a friend does NOT cover basic requirements for partnership.

Explanation:

Your idea is not going to work if no one knows how to code. Period. Your friend starting now will need a minimum of couple years to get to an OK level to build what you want. Your product will have bugs, inefficient code, hard to maintain. Given that, the only way to make it is if the market and idea are exceptionally strong and really pull you in sales so you hire someone better. Not likely.

What could happen?

Being honest and meaningful now with him is important because it will settle thigs right between you guys. If you keep him only because of friendship (yet worse, afraid to break friendship- if he is a friend he would understand whats meaningful for both) there will always be tension between you, low morale, the business will not move fast and things eventually will fall apart. Keep in mind also that you are getting him into something log term that is not likely to work this specific way, which is a bad favor.

What to do?

In my opinion, to keep the friendship and the business be honest with your friend and find a programmer to partner with. Or at least bring in a third person experienced coder. Otherwise it feels like you will lose both.
> In short, I feel like the opensource movement has already
> won. Aside from RMS's crusade against software patents,
> how is the FSF still relevant?

It's not. Many won't agree, but time will show (or have it already?). Stallman's ideas were born at the time when absolute majority of computer users were also IT guys — and in that context they do make sense. However nowadays computers are just mere tools/entertainment machines for the most of the users. The only concern they have is "does it work", not "can I modify the program". For some reason there are people who cannot accept this shift and get more and more out of touch with reality each day.
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2) A programmer who disposes of the idea of using memory efficiently has probably discarded the idea of algorithmic efficiently in any way whatsoever.

Space and time have to very often be traded off against each other in algorithms.
That happened with exercise. Suddenly, in the 1960s and 1970s fitness became a massive priority for millions of Americans. The paradigm shift happened almost immediately. 50 years ago you would only work out if you were an athlete or a soldier. A value was placed on wellness much like a value will eventually be placed on education. Also watching parents sit in unemployment lines because the factory closed is serving as a wakeup call to many people. Don't overestimate the Asians either -- their concept of education is quantitative (i.e how high we're your scores or how many vocabulary words did you learn) while Americans tend to be more qualitative. There's a reason innovation in places like China depends on copying everyone else. What major startups in China have been built based on an original idea? Very very few. There are more successful startups based on new ideas in the Bay Area than in the entirety of China. The successful Chinese companies are almost always rehashed versions of American products. Education isn't the driving force behind success in China -- at least not Chinese education.
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The problem is, RMS is part Fred Phelps, but also part Jesus Christ because he sortof started this whole thing, if my understanding is correct. Just like you got to respect Steve Jobs' accomplishments despite his own personal failings, I think (granted to a lesser extent) we gotta hand it to RMS, despite being a tactless fanatic, his moral compass always steers us toward the ideal for Free Software. And I should note I don't even agree with Free Software as a moral imperative, but freedom gives software more value none the less, and it's good to have someone there to point us in the right direction.
This is a good overview of the Land story and some of the parallels with Jobs, but if you're interested and have a bit more time, I highly recommend this long-form piece at Technologizer:

http://technologizer.com/2011/06/08/polaroid/

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You've obviously never been to a Korean university. The orgy part is less prevalent but certainly not the drunkenness and laxidasical attitudes. I went to both a US university and a Korean one and the work ethic of American university students is much more sturdy than Korean university students. The difference between Asia and the US (one of them) is that Asian students bust their backsides to get into school while the Americans busy their asses once in school. I'm generalizing of course, but at least in Korea, getting into a top school is more important than what you do once you're there. There's a reason that so many Asians want to go to US schools -- and it isn't for the basketball teams-- the quality is much much higher in the States (and UK) than Asia.
> It's an attack on all software developers.

I am a software developer and I don't think I am under any attack. Heck they gave me one more platform to develop for. And there is lots of open source code written for it already.
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Steve Jobs was brilliant and his achievements wont be forgotten anytime soon, but some of this hype is really going a step to far and i say this as an Apple user.

He has done great things for the industrial world in bringing them luxury devices to solve luxury problems, but this is a really small part of the world. Most people dont have enough money to buy his products, like all his workers at the Foxconn factories for example. Its amazing how Apple was able to keep such a clean vest while still doing many not so nice things big corporations do these days, but as long as everyone has their nice toys noone seems to really care.
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I agree with this comment by "tom robinson" in the blog post:

To those saying you agree with what RMS wrote: that’s fine, but irrelevant. As a spokesman for FSF he shouldn’t be pandering to his already devout followers, he should be trying to convince others that the ideals of the FSF are worth pursuing, and he’s been doing an absolutely TERRIBLE job of that lately.

Silly campaigns of immature puns, lashing out at people who don’t say “GNU/Linux”, insulting a recently deceased man who much of the world admires, and making otherwise inappropriate remarks on a regular basis is an excellent way to alienate the people you’re trying to win over.

How have these tactics been working out for FSF? I don’t have stats, but anecdotally most new open source projects I come across have rejected the GPL licenses for BSD, MIT, Apache, etc.

Now imagine what FSF could accomplish if they had a spokesman with the skills of Steve Jobs
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I think that every good movement needs its loons.

This is probably true but when they become an embarrassment and a liability it's better to distance yourself from them as much as possible. His latest comments are particularly insensitive but it goes a lot deeper than that. Most of the stuff he writes leaves me with a more negative view of free software. He basically wants people to reject most modern software/technology/services and devote their lives to being as spiritually pure as himself. Never-mind. I'll just use the closed software instead because that's not a commitment I'm willing to make. If everyone in his organization feels that way then it's doomed. He's now an intensely negative force.
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It's not outrage at Stallman's comments, but asking whether someone who is horrendously, gratuitously crass, offensive and insensitive of people's emotions should be "cheerleading" free software.

See also RMS's disappointment at the developer busy with a new child - start here (http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/36137)

His inability to understand people is distracting from the aims of FSF.
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Wait, isn't there a whole stack of organisations that support FLOSS or the same sort of values as openness that the FSF support other than the FSF already?

Off the top of my head: Apache Software Foundation, OSI, GNOME Foundation, Linux Foundation, Mozilla Foundation, Python Software Foundation, Open Knowledge Foundation, Software Freedom Law Center, Software in the Public Interest, Wikimedia Foundation.

If you feel like you want to throw money, power or sexual favours to the open source community, there are plenty of ways to do it that don't involve RMS or the FSF. Or you could just find some free/open source script or app or library you use and like and chuck the creator $20 and a nice email saying "I really like your code, go buy yourself a pizza and a beer on me".
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I don't think Jobs would say anything bad about Stallman if Stallman died first. Because unlike Steve, in Steve's words (vis a vis Bill Gates) Stallman has no taste.