skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
It appears we dont really have enough commonly accepted facts to have a fruitful conversation.

Welcome to American politics. That you were willing to have a dialog at all with someone who disagrees with you might set you above the average.

My big picture take is that democracy is good, and depriving people of votes is bad.

How about this big picture take? Democracy is good, and citizen votes deserve protection. Every fraudulent vote dilutes a legitimate vote. Even the appearance of insecurity undermines faith in the democracy.

And yes, it's incredibly partisan for you to claim that republicans are trying to "reduce democracy." An attitude like that will both fail to convince anyone who disagrees with you, and also keep you in the dark about truths your party in general are unwilling to accept.
I am trying this out and I like the grouping and 'marking is done' feature. To be honest, you can't do much worse than the default gmail interface and ui, there is so much low hanging fruit there.

What I liked less is the tiny print and tiny UI elements of shortwave in general. I 'solved' this by zooming in a lot, but in general it is hard to see at a glance who e-mails are from, which seems like a pretty important thing.

The focus of the design seems to be about being pretty, not being functional as much as I'd have liked. Again, better than gmail in aesthetics, but the typography could use some attention.
> Would it then be reasonable to infer that these visitations to the cancellation page are not (primarily) driven by inflation?

I think that's more than reasonable. :)
>This skepticism and cynism is like acid where lies don't survive.

On the contrary, the hardest skeptics and cynics will often buy into conspiracy theories and propaganda simply because they can't allow themselves to accept a status quo narrative under any circumstance, which makes them no more capable of discerning truth (or dismantling lies with their acid wit) than people who only trust the status quo.
I hardly ever use reddit, don't browse it, find its hints to install the app annoying. Its been so off my radar, posts like this keep making me think I must be really missing something special.

but probably not.
> Similarly, I don't see how "a well documented history of voter suppression" applies to increasing election security

Because "election security" - applied strategically and unequally (such as removing ballot boxes and voting stations in areas that are strongholds for your political opponents) is nothing but suppression tactics. Even voter ID laws, when applied only in places where gov ID is not common, can be weaponized.

You know this.
I’ve always believed that situations like that happen because Facebook would rather be able to keep an eye on those people than send them to somewhere they can’t.
This really makes me think I wonder if someone could get a business model working for "permanent" web presences to be set up for small sites with a fixed amount of traffic per month, where you could pay an up front fee and it will be hosted "forever"
It's also one of the most dog-whistled racist communities I've been on. Unfortunately, calling out that behavior gets you targeted as a SJW, or something else.

But yeah, on some posts, I get really uncomfortable on HN.
I've also thought that. The reddit shutdown made the frontpage of (reputable) news sources, I can't imagine that investors aren't going to be asking the admins how much control they really have over the user experience on any given day.
I'm relatively well informed but I always just assumed oat "milk" was an inferior substitute marketed to the actively or wannabe lactose intolerant. [EDIT: and vegans of course.] (No idea if "wannabe lactose intolerant" is really a thing, but i'm thinking of the way gluten sensitivity became a faddish self-diagnosis for a while.)

I still don't drink the stuff, but it's only dawned on me in the last year that there are other reasons, such as environmental concerns or ... actually, I'm not sure. Opening two tabs to Google "oat milk why" and "oat milk why site:reddit.com" now, which conveniently makes this relevant to TFA :)
No, because they broke quotes. That's going out of the way to try and tell me what I think.
Reading stuff like this makes me think about how much more... "Fun" game programming is than the stuff I do in web dev.

These problems (yes, self-constrained) look like so much fun to solve, in a way that "I did xyz thing in pure CSS" is just less so to me.

Maybe It's that I miss rapid cycle of Completely Lost -> Earth-shattering Realization of How To Make This Work that the first ~1-2 years of my programming journey was full of
Yeah I bet there is now, but what happens if tomorrow the government starts handing out tons of visas to remote workers and retirees?
Take a look at any article that is even tangentially related to anything in crypto. You'll find a battleground of people who are die hard skeptics refusing to engage with any idea in the space. HN has always had some skepticism, but this specific topic made the more toxic side of HN extremely apparent to me. Whatever you believe about any idea, you should be willing to engage with the idea if you're going to comment here.

I hope what we all take away from this article is that we should take a step back, sit with the idea of a post, and before trying to belittle someone else's argument maybe we validate the things we agree with and question the things that are a bit unclear. It's fair to disagree and have a retort to something, but I've seen a lot of people jumping straight to a pretty aggressive, dismissive stand on here.
I think this is putting the cart before the horse: rather than this mindset being caused by HN, it's more likely that people with this mindset are attracted to HN. I certainly sympathise - I find myself thinking the same way; but I ascribe it more to the profession I'm in (software engineering), and - probably more accurately - to a certain captious way of thinking that maybe led me to this profession.
The stakes are higher at dinner because your face to face. So dinner conversations are actually LESS toxic. People on HN are hidden behind anonymity. The only defense is moderation.

I would say unless you have an opinion about something that is very different from the status quo you will rarely encounter toxicity. If you do have opinions that are very different from the norm, the toxicity is rampant.
It's an unreasonable standard though, one to which I seem to frequently be held for bullshit reasons that appear to me to boil down to "We refuse to believe that you know anything about health topics and also require you in specific to meet a higher standard than other posters just making conversation."

It's a means to gatekeep me out of medical discussion because people don't like the idea that I'm getting healthier when doctors say that cannot be done and rather than engage in meaningful discussion, I fairly often receive a dismissive pile on of replies in a way that I do not believe is the norm for HN.

I don't have to defend it or prove a claim. I didn't make a claim. I stated as clearly as I know how that it made me wonder x and so I did a search.

This should not be drama of any sort. Other people routinely make conversation on medical topics and aren't given a hard time for it. Other people in this discussion are making conversation about donating cord blood to research.

No one is required to be a medical professional to participate in medical discussion here. No one is required to defend their interest in such subjects.

Except apparently me. Probably because of my personal situation and people having some issue with that.
>>is ridiculous for a website that can literally get its most popular subreddits shutdown arbitrarily whenever a small group of extremely online volunteer mods decide to "go on strike" by locking the subs because they don't like something/someone else on the website

I have a story about this - and its worse than just mods -- Admins intervene and set narrative on for whom is allowed to mod and make mod decisions...

I wont reveal the details - but I have seen Admins literally come in and fuck up Mod orders because (my suspicion) is that the Admins have MANY accounts that /appear/ as mods - but are actually Admin shill accounts...

I had this happen to me first hand and I was appalled.

Reddit's ethics are absolute garbage in this regard.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29945848
> Judging by your post history, you seem to be more interested in stirring up shit than actually contributing to the discussion.

I'm not, and I'm pretty sure your accusation violates site guidelines.

> This bizarre defence of noisemaking jackasses fits with that.

You should note I'm not defending them or their actions. I just think it's ridiculous hyperbole to call what they're doing "literally torture." If the ancestor comment had simply said they were being annoying and disruptive, I wouldn't have responded at all.
we did it. It depends on the freezer. at -80C they say it's for a lifetime with a caveat that the technology is only 23 years old so none can prove it's for a lifetime, yet
> This is an uncharitably suspicious inferring of the other person's motives.

Agreed.

The charitable interpretation is a lot more reasonable: a parent/elder wants to spend time with their child/younger, and is even taking an interest in their career/hobbies.
It's particularly awful on mobile where you get Google's "smart" cards which can be ads, followed by ads then the actual results which are mostly SEO trash. Trying to find support for Google Fiber routers was nearly impossible because Google just tried to interpret what I wanted as signing up for Google Fiber and just overwhelmingly suggests that. It gets even worse on Youtube where after like 10 results for what you typed in they just show you "things you might like".
I'm really bad at networking and finding a suitable business partner would be a total disaster :D
I don't have children yet.
> There is a sizeable contingent of people who are so convinced that what they believe is the absolute truth that any disagreement or critique must therefore be out of malice rather than genuine disagreement.

I think they are less confident in their own ideas (politicians aren't even required to state what policies they stand for anymore!) than they are confident that the other side (or at least the cartoonish version of it presented to them via allied media) is wrong/evil.
here's my two use-cases: working around browser bugs, figuring out if it's a mobile device (e.g. to hide drag-and-drop features for file uploads)

prominent example for a browser bug: https://catchjs.com/Blog/SameSiteCookies
Regardless of whether the police care, you could hire private investigators to look into each threat
> The topics that are liable to become flame wars change over time, currently it seems to be anything "Crypto" or "Online Advertising" as people have very strong feelings on both sides

Oh yes, I've kept a very high opinion of this forum and its commenters once I skipped right past the daily 250+ comment posts about COVID-19 that have plagued us for 2 years. When it comes to tech, this place is an absolute treasure, but there's few things as odious as tech nerds improvising themselves as politicians, epidemiologists, microbiologists, logistics experts and activists just because they know how to use Google and follow some people on Twitter.

The bitcoin craze wasn't even close to being as bad as the past two years.
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HN has a toxic side and I think there are pretty trolls here who think they are smart (yet not really) too, yet still less compared to many of the other online communities.

As any community grows there will be toxic people everywhere, HN is still one of the best (also _some_ subreddits on this list too) communities that has a great intellectuality vs. toxicity ratio relatively, in my opinion.
> Now, piles may be crazier, but sell a Tesla?

I had a friend who was moving country and wanted to sell his Porche. Someone offered to buy it for a reasonable price, but wanted to pay cash. My friend thought that sounded really dodgy; so he agreed on the condition that they both physically go to a bank teller and have the bank teller deposit the money in his account as he watched. The other guy agreed; so that's what they did. He showed up with a giant bag full of bills, just like the big drug deals in the movies. At that point my friend felt he'd done his duty, and that anything dodgy to be Somebody Else's Problem to detect / deal with.

Afterwards I heard that Travelers prefer dealing in cash; so there wasn't necessarily anything dodgy going on (other than presumably the general effort to avoid scrutiny).
The free market is not in play when doing cross border real estate deals, because if countries allowed foreigners to buy up all their land they wouldn't really have much of a country anymore eventually.
Just learn a tool at a time. Ftrace, for example, is a nice tool to trace kernel events. It is not the coolest kid on the block, but simple enough for basic things.
Thanks, that is a bit of context that non-USians (or in this case those that are not in a security-related echo chamber) are unlikely to know.
I encourage you to review the decision making and engage in the discussion here: https://github.com/WICG/ua-client-hints
These days it's more 'No, you can't use this site on your more-than-capable mobile device. Download our app instead! We want to run native code on your device to harvest even more data, and we want to make sure you don't block our ads!'
I've been adding this to my searches for years. Check out this site that will save you a few keystrokes: https://gooreddit.com/
Because you already know what it's going to say, so I'll take that as admitting that you simply don't care.
Probably nothing? They (or we I guess) have phone numbers and addresses as well.
Moderators that are often anonymous/unknown.

(This isn't an argument against your point, just a bit of additional context that increasingly is odd to me as Reddit gains more and more social weight)
The product looks great. One question: does it sync everything to shortwave servers? If I download the desktop app, will everything still be synced to the servers? I'd be fine with most of my email being copied by a service like this but thinking of emails like OTPs, account resets, bank/credit card and social security authorizations makes me a bit too uncomfortable. I wish this had a denylist of some sort to never some sync mail.
Gopher, Gemini and Usenet fetching news with the spooling method. Done.
"But what I've found is that a lot of the toxic positivity types still hold a lot of negative emotion. However they can't express it without some justification. That justification usually comes in the form of attacking someone who has committed a transgression of expected kindness."

I notice that too. It seems some people look for a social hedge or 'permission' before they'll say something disagreeable to save face.

I'm not so sure I buy the idea that holding back disagreeable opinions or observations is an act of "kindness" per say. To me it seems more like trying to navigate social relationships with tact. I can loosely see how holding back the urge to "let that son of a bitch know what I really think" can be construed as such but I don't really believe that fits the bill either.

There's a massive difference between the idea of kindness coming from a place of understanding where you're letting people know you see their struggle and genuinely believe in their inherant worth and ability to overcome or cope with those struggles vs subtle or overt manipulation for the sake of being socially placating.
An experiment using Google Web Search from a few years back, testing the proposition of looking for substantive discussion and/or content using a set of search terms, based on the reported hits found per domain.

This would be difficult to replicate today using Google due to far more effective anti-bot measures. There are some research-oriented databases though I don't have access to these.
Welp, now that the secret is getting out, I guess we can expect Reddit and HN to be taken over by SEO companies.
Yeah, Fextralife saved my ass multiple times while working through the dark souls series. It's a shame that type of community resource isn't more popular.
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I think it safe to say without much doubt that ZH is an extremely Pro Russian media outlet. Daniel and his father (Bulgarians) have been funded to some extent with Russian money and have ties to the Russian propaganda machine. I really am impressed they have been able to survive this long with all the shit they spew and the incredibly Pro Russian / Anti-American stance.
I've debated buying another standalone portable music player for some time (about ten years after I got my first smartphone and stupidly gave my Sansa Fuze+ to a friend, who promptly lost it), but none of them really tick all the boxes for me.

I want:

- A high-quality DAC

- A headphone jack

- Expandable memory or a ridiculously large HDD (I have about a terabyte of music)

- A modern connector/charging port (like USB-C)

- 20+ hours of battery life

The problem I have is that resurrecting old devices like an iPod or a Sansa falls back onto era of proprietary chargers, which I worry about losing and not being able to find replacements.

On the other hand, I periodically search for "newer" audiophile player devices, and a bunch of them feel like Android phones without the phone part. I don't want a smartphone OS, because then the battery life is inevitably going to be many times worse than the standalone mp3 player batteries of old. I don't need an app store, or a battery-sucking high quality display screen for watching videos. I just want it to play my music.
Except Wikipedia has a reliable place on the page, if a Wikipedia entry exists... they never _removed_ it, just _moved_ it.

This is the least of the issues with Google.
The 3G network shutdown will impact more than just phones
I don't have any recent information on how google search works, but years ago it looked at the expertise level of the searcher. So newbies received newbie results, advanced searchers received advanced results (and more visibility into filtering functionality). Today... they're hiding the advanced features and also seem to be reducing personalization of results to save compute resources. It's horrible.

You: Class Inheritance +ruby
Google: searching for "cash inheritance..."
What's next, a database in pure bash? It's really impressive what some people can do with a couple of shell scripts.
Sure, but "widely known on hacker news" is a very different bar. :) Really, the question is, "is it a widely known enough strategy that there's big money to be made subverting it?" And as soon as the answer is "yes," the battle will be on between spammers trying to fill Reddit with low-quality info and Reddit trying to keep them out without hurting legit users.
pstmedia.net
I think the salient point is that the genie can still come further out of the bottle and be even more difficult to control with regulations if not halted or controlled with
Regulation now.
Doubtless the image search is using the same algorithms and pulling images from articles. Google doesn't know what you're "really" looking for. It just knows you searched for "white inventors," and the reason you're seeing black faces is that for pages with have high pagerank for the phrase "white inventors," there are images of black people.
Whoops, thanks! That's what I get for typing too quickly between household duties.
Australian PM: “We are all responsible for our own health.”
Re: static factory methods - Those are called just once (so perf isn't really the point).

With respect to non-perf reasons, Factories should also be non-static.
Here's why:
1. Factories that are part of a dependency injection framework (Guice, Dagger, Spring) are actually "objects" that the DI framework is moving around. These DI frameworks already enforce object creation (see: https://github.com/google/guice/wiki/GettingStarted for example -- everything is an object).
2. public static factory classes have significant disadvantages (eg. depending on another factory class is a direct, "hardcoded" brittle dependency). Avoiding this is straightforward - create factory objects (aka Modules) and register it with the DI framework (the only public static "singleton" object) - when an object is needed, ask for it and the DI framework will give it to you (implicitly through the factory).
No, I'm giving examples where your life is made easier by having a smartphone, based on my very recent experiences. They're also very practical in daily life (i can pay with one, share my location with my SO for easier coordination, etc)

Not every city has a central square, not everything you want to see might be within reach of one, not all restaurants are there, and of course all restaurants there can be tourist traps.

I don't need to think about how people struggled with things that are easy to today besides for the fun/novelty of it. While we're at it, exchanging money, carrying around and paying in cash suck. It was slightly less bad because i could look up the locations of ATMs of banks that don't charge you an extra fee for being a tourist on the spot.

> If the food turns out to be bad because you did not read online reviews, so what? Is your trip spoiled or did you just make a memory about shitty food in a Sri Lankan square

Considering how bad "bad" can get, that memory can involve a trip to the hospital ( food poisoning, parasites, etc.).
PstMedia.Net just want sports on the west coast to get more exposure.
By leaking, I mean how much of other content I see when I'm using the app for some purpose where that content isn't important.

It has been a while since I used Roam, so maybe these points have significantly improved. But the first thing I would see when I logged into Roam was the most recent page. I don't care about these things, Obsidian with a plugin allows me to create a a home page from an MD file which then has links to whatever else I want.

Roam also pushed things like a daily journal and backlinks in the sidebar. Most of the time, I don't want to see backlinks and I don't use the daily journal. I only want to see exactly what I have set the thing to show, anything else is a distraction. With Obsidian, all of this is so much more configurable, and easy to do so.

I think a lot of the thinking overhead issues people have when they think "where do I put this" is from seeing too much stuff which isn't important to what they are working on.
It isn't so much that 'google doesn't know how to filter them out' but there's nothing left after having filtered them out.

Nobody is producing real content that isn't behind a paywall.

There's nothing to find.
>you just can't use the trademark or include any games that carry it.

Sounds like a good lock-in.
Routine testing fixes most of issues too, many people just have a stigma of testing at all, let alone as often as they should. At this point, some forms of sex workers that have more partners are cleaner than the general population, just because they test often and fix things early. Which is worth saying because it is counterintuitive to what many people think will happen, linking promiscuity to negative health outcome (because they themselves don't test and just accumulate probabilities of infections). the line isn't preventing all exposure to disease, its fixing them when exposure occurs.

and yes, combining both strategies of protection alongside testing + early fixing reduces the negative consequence even more even when not preventing absolute exposure to disease.
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.. and that's how people end up with ZFS. My story was cheap SATA cables (or was it cheap power supplies? I never found out) introducing silent corruption and breaking decades of archived files.