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Not for a community I'd like to be part of.

Every single one of these 'rewards' leads to people trying to game the system, which leads to noise. You know the drill:

- SO is full of people that jump at new answers, try to 'win' by submitting early and editing their answer later. "More text formatting = better". Needs. More. Bullet. Points.

- HN submissions are 'valuable' so that we had automated submissions or bookmarklets in the past.

That's karma alone, and your other suggestions are even worse in my book, because they could be exchanged for money much easier (iPad, deals, your direct exchange option) and therefor could be gamed as 'part time jobs'.

Is that bad? Depends, I guess, on your target audience. In my opinion the people that go for there rewards are usually not (in general) part of your preferred audience. And since you'll have a hard time judging quality in a community site the people that push out most (even if it is crappy/below average or borderline spam) win.
> your perception of Apple putting the consumer first

Not my perception. See the second line of my above comment.
I disagree here,

There is good enough metric for your 'work', its wealth generated at the end of it. Many even refer to it as value created. Again I know the next question you will ask is what if the person worked hard and still fail. Well that is not going to be often.

Team work is every body working to achieve something. One set of people making up for other peoples inefficiency isn't team work.

I am not telling people must be paid more money to motivate them, I am saying.. We must ask people to work more to earn more money. Which is perfectly acceptable. I don't know why I should earn equal to some guy sitting next when I do far more than what he does.

Again counter argument to that which people put is, that putting in extra effort is personal choice so it shouldn't be compared. Well in that case, the other argument is also valid. If some one chooses to be inefficient its his/her problem.
I just wrote a hasty post about why I help others just yesterday (http://jnorthrop.tumblr.com/post/10094419737/karma).

You don't list it among your options but helping others has basic intrinsic rewards that adds to your own self-satisfaction. I help when and where I can and I enjoy it. What is more enjoyable, using some specialized expertise for an hour to help an appreciative entrepreneur or playing Call of Duty?

I sound like a new age hippie (which I am not) but I wake up everyday feeling good about the previous day.
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>everyone in the universe is the same person

That was the theme of Richard Bach's One: A Novel as well.
But most of these additional features seem to be mostly about being allowed more advanced ways to contribute to the community, e.g. editing other users' comments, locking articles etc.

None of the features (that I know of, my SO karma is nothing to brag about) make Stackoverflow more USEFUL to the high-karma user, than to the low-karma one.
Here in Sweden a lot of contracts are standardized. Extremely so in the construction industry.

We have a standard contract called "Avtal 90" (lit. Contract 90), that a lot of industries use.
I see you're getting downvotes too :) Somehow (some) people are quite touchy about the subject...

Rant aside, funny how God omnipresence ideas fit nicely into this 'single electron' theory. After all may be this is what proves the existence (or absence) of God as we know him...

And you're quite right. We got down to the smallest particles. We can observe them. But this is where it stops. I sincerely hope this is temporary halt and there will be progress made some time soon. Ah yes, we still in search for Higgs, aren't we? ;)
At Bloomberg we use OCaml and Haskell for certain things (at least on my team). There are lots of people who are into functional programming and experiment with new tools/languages/etc for a variety of tasks.
The relevant issue isn't "fairness", it's "market value". There is a lower supply of people willing to work in regions with high cost of living (for the same wage).
The Credit trading technology teams at Citi (London & New York) are using Clojure.

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Does Badge/Karma work with all types of audience?
"Frankly, I think that the majority of the current problems would be solved by trimming all of the fat from the core."

There are 100's of projects who proclaim to do so, and all of them remain obscure. By having a core that does, well, nothing (no blog, forum, commenting, news workflow, permissions, ... systems), as a developer you sill have to go hunt for 'modules' of which you usually have no idea how well they work and if they'll be maintained next year.

In theory the 'plugin' system is nice, in practice it turns into the situation where the 'core' rolls on like a freight train, leaving 'plugins' by the wayside, and users scrambling to patch together the known working versions and plugging the holes left by the incompatible versions. In the end, you still have to do a bunch of programming - but oh, before you can, you need to spend weeks to learn all the ins and outs of how to do so.

The answer is in slowing down development speed. Yeah it sucks because you can't work on cool new stuff, but maintaining backward compatibility and having a large base of usable modules, that are actually vetted by a larger group than just the one or two people who work in that module and only use the bleeding edge version themselves anyway is the only way to build a platform that people can rely on being there new year, and the year after.
When single electron theory includes proposition that the single electron was the author or guarantor of a particular holy book, then it will be as strange as God theory.
The really serious funding cuts haven't started yet. By 2014, it will be an uglier story. (Not schadenfredue; I am leading a good life in academia, too, at the moment. I just don't expect it to last when the US is forced to take austerity measures (or chooses to, as the Tea Party apparently wishes to do.)
You make a good point. Mostly the answer is that after 10 years I'm definitely going to see this through and finish my degree :)

But also, 10 years ago I might have been interested in web development, today I have developed skills in other areas (robotics, embedded programming, etc). It would be a shame not to put them to use. Perhaps more importantly, if I got back into web stuff, I'd be quite far behind in the game; I simply wouldn't have the skills for someone with my experience level. Probably I could get up to speed quickly, but I'd prefer to stick to what I know; there just happens to be so much work in web stuff lately that looking at the job market I sometimes get this omninous feeling that I've been making a mistake...

Anyways, looking for work now for when I'm done my degree later this year, so we'll see how it goes. I have an impression that this must be a common feeling for people at the end of their doctoral studies, so I try not to be overly worried.
It is just a change of interpretation; rather than saying the annihilation causes the release of energy, you could say the change of motion (forward time to reverse time) causes the release of energy. The effects are the same either way, remember Eliezer's dictum, "It all adds up to normality."
I prefer using Ctrl-r <blah>, which searches your history for 'blah' and puts it on the command line. The preferable part is that you can keep hitting Ctrl-r to see previous matches, which is often helpful since you don't want the last match, but the second or third match.
Yes, Even I love to code.

But just because true hearted altruistic people like you exist. It doesn't mean I must replicate the same. I'm motivated by many other factors apart from money. But just because that is the case, I feel no reason to settle down for less than what I deserve.

And just like you mentioned I want my salary to be just fair. Just pay me for my work. That's all I'm asking. And is that a unjust demand?
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Could you identify people in your industry that perform a similar job to you? If you could select the comparison pool than I would think it would be more accurate/useful than, say, an aggregate based on simply job title.
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You have to be very careful when you start offering real rewards. People will game the system for free, but nothing like the level of gaming that goes on for a reward. You'll end up with absolute crap.

And don't assume that people 'working for free' are getting nothing of it. They obviously enjoy it, or they wouldn't do it. Offering a tangible reward will change their motivation.

The result of both of those is often losing your best, most loyal users.

Be very careful.
If I'm working remotely, I'll go to whomever pays the highest (hint: it's not the company that gives me a salary cut based on location).
It's an old, tired adage, but it's true: "Content is King".

On HN, obtaining topical, interesting news and conversation is the most rewarding and valuable thing that this site has to offer.

Your question shouldn't be "what can we give you" but rather "what can we do for you".

Here on HN, the answer will be a variety of ways to improve both the quality of the submissions and the conversation that surround them.
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Right, how much could that company have sued him for?! Hahhaha, he wouldn't have written this article if not for the risk that he had taken! Its a nice way of telling people -- 'go take risks, be happy man!' :D
Particle physics isn't really my specialty, but I think you're wrong on all counts.

Gravity affects light, so particles going backwards in time wouldn't suddenly experience gravity as a repulsive force. The curvature of spacetime is what matters. (Light experiences zero subjective time.)

The strong interaction affects protons and neutrons, not electrons or positrons. "Zero effect" is implicitly time-invariant.

As to the weak interaction, it is mainly a (reversible) "given inputs, get outputs" process. Both β+ decay and electron capture have an analogous process for positrons. The catch is that when you swap signs on the electron, you have to make corresponding changes to the rest of the equation - e.g. if there's a proton for the electron version, it needs to be an antiproton to work for a positron.
"So much has been written about why Amazon has the best reviews ever" please do provide some links! I'm very interested.
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Let's agree Woz brought computers to the masses while Jobs insisted on making them pretty enough the masses would buy them. ;-)

Actually, there is a whole lot of people who exerted a huge influence in the early personal computer explosion. Jobs and Woz often suck up all the credit the folks at Atari and Commodore also deserve.
No, you shouldn't go work for them, and people shouldn't hire you. The situation works to everyone's advantage.
so when you pay into SS you don't become entitled to money?
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Having full-time employees (as opposed to paying random people) creating the content and paid by for the quality of the content rather by the content would be better then. As long as there is an issue way to evaluate their "quality".
Your profit sharing program does not answer rscale's question, it compounds it, since you also reduce profit sharing by cost of living.
I'm not sure why anybody is comparing Zuckerberg to Jobs, really. Jobs co-founded arguably the most successful tech company of all time. He revolutionized the PC industry, then saved his company from near-death in his second act, followed by the small feats of revolutionizing the music, smartphone, and tablet markets. Oh, he also co-founded Pixar.

Zuckerberg? As far as anyone can tell, he's still a one-trick pony, who by most accounts, at least stole some of his single idea from his classmates. Though his valuation is through the roof, his business model is still not well established and could burst at any time.
Surprised this is the top story on HN.

The linked article says little and just quotes other media reports. If you follow through (and speak French), the report in Le Figaro says "For now, there is no release outside the plant" (http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2011/09/12/01016-201...)

There are many problems at nuclear sites around the world, not sure HN needs to take a 'BREAKING NEWS' approach to them.

(Of course, maybe I'm just bitter that my post about teaching children to code didn't get upvoted while this stuff did: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2986791)
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Was employee # 100000 or so at Dell. Still got laid off. No security anywhere, sorry, its all an illusion.

Hey, may as well be an entrepreneur!
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This.

I've had a job offer from a person that found my profile on StackOverflow.
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You don't need provide 5x to the value, you just need to convince the employer you are.

Also, much of a programmer's worth pays off over time: specifically how easy is it to maintain their code? Writing truly maintainable code is HARD and difficult to quantify.
> If, after ten years, you'll read what you have so far, it'll be sh.t because, in ten years your style and your way of thinking will change a lot.

I saw an artist on TV the other day that said she throws away any song that takes more than 30 minutes to write. Because her mood and thoughts will change if she spends too much time writing the song.
> Also, my 0.02 is that as an employee, I feel I'm often at the higher or top end of my employers range

That's what you think, and that's why your employer also likes you to keep your mouth shut. Or?

(After all, more than 50% of people are above average drivers, or whatever the exact anecdote is...)
You can't be the 1st to change; you'd get run over.
NASA does both science and the engineering necessary to achieve the science. You can do something for its own sake and still achieve more pragmatic benefits.
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Sorry, am I reading correctly? Peldi should subsidize you starting your own business? That seems unfair to me :)

Aside from the clear moral judgement you're making here, which doesn't belong in any salary policy, the problem with your argument is that chances are that you made that choice while maintaining a "urban" salary... i.e. you are fundamentally exploiting a loophole in "classic" remuneration systems thanks to telecommuting, and you're now complaining that those systems might be catching up.
Apparently, the site is not a nuclear plant. But they do manipulate nuclear matter.
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Okay, I give up - this isn't remotely related to anything I said or wanted to say :-)
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> and more on who's pushing who in the tech-press circles.

I read that as "who's pounding who" - as that is also true
They specifically say weapons.

But the anti-nuclear groups aren't going to make that distinction. Which to me is like saying, we shouldn't use solar because someone used a laser pointer against helicopters.
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What should the company be bothered about what and where I'm spending my money. If I spend more will my work become more valuable to the company or vice versa?

On the similar lines I don't understand the concept of companies asking people about their compensation in the previous company. You are supposed to pay for my work, how does my compensation even matter here?

If my previous compensation was high will my work in the current company become more valuable or earn higher profits?
The alternative? Keeping your self-respect, and getting another job? Google doesn't hire slackers and fakes; this guy can get another job in a heartbeat.

I've refused this 'offer' - Dell wanted to drug-test and interview us when we were acquired - I simply refused. Didn't lose my job.
What would a non-curated catalog look like? One generated automatically via a Google search? Aren't you just saying that a person took the time to go through and make the catalog?
This could have happened at any industrial site. In fact, it does happen at many industrial sites, with surprising regularity and occasionally catastrophic environmental consequences. Check out wikipedia's list of industrial disasters to see just how often. I hope that this news story fades into the background within hours or days, just like all of the other news about fatality automobile accidents, chemical plant spills, dam bursts, and muggings gone wrong.
While that is the case, SO is designed to be as accessible as possible for even the most casual user. There are even stories about cookie based accounts that are ancient as far as I remember.

So the site tries very hard to require nothing to participate and as someone else already said, the 'more advanced' privileges are not useful for most people. Why would you want to edit questions in general, unless you're the OCD type or a wikipedia separatist? :)
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Poll: Here at HN, what do you value more highly - the discussion or the links?
When I first arrived at HN I found that the links were really good, and the discussions were better. As time has gone by I've found that I've changed, the site has changed, and so my perception of the relative values has changed.

I was wondering about others. What do you value more - the discussion? Or the links? And how does that correlate with your time here.

The question of time is a completely arbitrary one, and relies on your own perception. Some have been here for years, but only recently become active, other have only been here a short time, but are active, etc. I know that polls like this are not statistically significant because of self-selection, and this one even more so because of self-characterization, but I'm interested to know what people themselves think, before I consider doing something more serious.

I know this looks like a lot of options, but it boils down to long-standing or not, active or not, and then the question I've asked - discussions or links.

So thanks in advance for your time and efforts in helping me - and potentially others - to better understand the community.
Long-standing, pretty active, value discussions
Long-standing, pretty active, value submissions
Long-standing, not so active, value discussions
Long-standing, not so active, value submissions
Newer user, pretty active, value discussions
Newer user, pretty active, value submissions
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Whoooo, does that mean, the Stones earned a fortune by, say, working between 24 and 40 hours in their career :o).
Using location based salary comparison sites is broken if the job is for remote not onsite work.

If hackers in NYC are paid $150k, and Philly $80k, neither of those numbers matter. What you want is the going rate for remote-working English speaking US citizens in eastern time zone close to a major airport with the given skill set.

What this company is doing is like deciding how much to pay an employee based on whether or not they have a pool and tennis courts in their backyard, rather than based on supply and demand.

Note: Location still matters, which is why I mention timezone because depending on business, location/timezone of existing employees, and where HQ is located it may change the demand. Also since most remote workers travel to gettogethers occasionally I mentioned airport.
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I think it would be cool to have some tour, screenshots, etc to make it possible to evaluate if it is worth registering to use service.
For Peroni, look up altruism in the dictionary.

Valid point. I was exceptionally grumpy this morning. My thought process was why would people go to the bother of doing this if there wasn't anything else in it for them? I agree that a lot of people will use it purely in order to help people but to help drive traffic there must surely be a system that will keep bringing people back.

HN & Reddit have karma for comments & submissions and whilst karma is worthless, people feel compelled to generate as much karma as possible. I wonder if a similar system could be implemented with this site?
Whole-heartedly agree. Tons of people are successful because they are "master networkers". "I'm looking for a XYZ" "Oh good, talk to So-and-so, she knows everyone!" Networking in the business world is very powerful and putting people "in touch" with others is a highly valuable transaction (mostly without direct compensation).

Unfortunately, this is not a problem for a master networker and this is much more valuable to an employer. If I am a master networker, than I continually improve on my ability by doing just that - networking. Having a tool to help me may give me a competitive advantage may indeed help. However, this will ultimately lose out when network effects set in. It will easily be gamed by people.

Just recently I got an e-mail from a friend asking if I know anyone to fill two highly regarded director-level positions. I referred a friend, but I don't think I would ever use a service to do such a transaction. It would relinquish much of the value of the transaction - that its a person I trust referring someone.
"Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."

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> There is good enough metric for your 'work', its wealth generated at the end of it.

In a company larger than a startup, this is usually outside the employees control. A project with a small (or no) market, isn't going to make a lot of money, even if it was a lot of work to create. The people assigned to work on such a project may not be there by choice. Also, what about "internal" projects that don't actually generate revenue, but make everyone more efficient?
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