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So why don't scientists get other jobs in the private sector?

People with Arts degrees don't whinge about the lack of "Historian" positions, they just get jobs where they can utilize their amazing skills at churning out 5000 word faux-essays about why their cherry-picked positive paragraphs outnumber the negative paragraphs they threw in for "balance" (arts hater, sorry, but haters gotta hate). Maybe they are HR officers, or Marketing Stooges, or Strategic Analysts, or Project Officers, or even Software Engineers.

There seems to be an utterly moronic disconnect betweens science students who want a job with "research" in the title, and businesses who don't want to reach out to smart, hard-working, honest candidates.

Science students do have skills - the ability to read massive amounts of technically difficult work (for example, research articles, government regulations), math skills, statistics skills, and a deep understanding of physical and / or biological processes.

I understand that they don't want to head-hunt full professors into C-level positions, but surely there's some scope for people crossing over.

I mean, does anyone really think that science grads are less business ready than business grads, and if so, why?
>Because it's not unreasonable to expect the coder to supply you with something which will not fail arbitrarily in 10 years for a reason which is 100% predictable.

Really. A coder is supposed to know that he should spend unnecessary resources (memory, mainly) to add a feature that will be needed in ten years for a program only expected to be used for five years? Most of the problems (that didn't happen is it turned out) with Y2K were because many programs that were expected to be replaced weren't. And before the mid 1990s RAM was seriously expensive, people did not buy more than necessary, "Just in Case".
But of course, and that was handily left out of the post, in Italy developer don't really have all that much options, so the whole discussion is moot anyway...
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The idea of 'rental' of a digital file is very strange to me. Generally rental is cheaper than purchase because at the end of the rental period, you return the thing and it can be lent again. Thus the marginal cost of sale is the cost of production plus admin, while the marginal cost of loaning is just the admin of managing the rental.

Renting is done because it has a lower marginal cost than selling.

But with a digital file the inverse is true. Renting must have at least equal marginal cost to selling, because you still have to supply the bandwidth for the download, but then you have the potential extra cost of trying to ensure that the device stops allowing access to the file past a certain date.

tl;dr Digital files are not physical objects, and it doesn't make sense to treat them the same.
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If I'm providing exactly the same quality and volume of work, why should my zip code matter? You're reading a moral argument in my comment that I'm not making. If anything this sets up a reverse incentive to live in NYC like a college student and pocket the difference.

What you're calling a loophole is the new reality of information-based labor. Companies that penalize their employees for taking advantage of this flexibility to set their own lifestyle priorities are going to suffer in the market for top talent.
I haven't read this story before, and while I appreciate the link, I wish you hadn't spoiled it.
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I don't know why this is such a surprise to everyone. Outside of the startup scene, showing net profit is a Bad Thing. It increases liability to taxes and to employees[1], etc.

Maybe public companies are different (though since, movie studios are just about all subsidiaries of public companies, maybe not), but in my dealings with many multi-million dollar companies (especially those with union contracts to deal with), they find any way possible to show a loss on the balance sheet.

Between accounting tricks and taking money off the table through reinvesting (real or imagined) and executive salaries, profit is basically a made up number based on whatever management wants it to be.

Taking any percentage of net profit, in plenty of industries, is basically the same as taking nothing.

On a side note: the article and the one from the other day that mentioned this story as well only seemed to consider box office gross as the movie's revenue. I mean how many of us just on HN have more bought or gotten than one copy of the Star Wars movies over the years? I know I have at least 3 hanging around, to say nothing of TV airings and the like.

[1]Liability to employees: Through profit-sharing programs, raise discussions, union contract talks, etc., publicly showing a "profit" can cost the company money.
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> Do you think contributors of a community website should be rewarded?

No. A real community (that actually cares for each other) works "for free"—the compensation is in improving the community.
If it was really bad, do you think they'd be saying so?
Hu ? Where do you see anything about weapons ? The Marcoule Plant produce MOX fuel to recyle Nuclear waste and they also store Nuclear Waste. And Marcoule is also one of the more important Civil Nuclear Research Facilities.

Oh, and by the way they had a problem with this facility in march also. A level 2 (of 7) accident.
We're trying to keep the site pretty minimalistic on purpose.

Since it's free for now, we're hoping people just give it a whirl. But that's something for us to keep in mind!
The petition itself is marred by a rather confused statement of its aims which seem to cover teaching children to code and doing something about the gender gap in IT.

This was my first thought too. A noble aim to be sure, but it would be nice to see it cast with broader aims!
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I have some hazy memories of them trying to teach us Logo in the mid 80s but little beyond that.

I think it's a good idea because it's so cross-discipline and can be made 'fun' (doing mostly simplified graphics programming, etc). Things like teamwork, math, music, art, logic, English, and even the scientific method can all combine into a project that's both productive and fun.

Maybe times have changed but I was at school, subjects were strongly compartmentalized and rarely combined (other than the occasional bit of math in a physics class), yet in the real world, combining disciplines makes up most of the work day.
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Can somebody explain to me why we allow philosophers to make explicitly positive claims about the mind and psychology without empirical evidence, when were they to do the same thing with regards to, say physics (claiming perhaps that "the sun has a will to orbit the earth"), we'd rightly reject them for lack of proof?
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I can relate somewhat, because when I went to university I was pretty clueless about choosing careers, entrepreneurship and whatnot. I had not yet discovered Paul Graham's writings (maybe they were not written yet).

Of course I could have spent my time better, I could have started a company in young years and so on. A number of factors led to me not doing so (not the least I was too chicken for it). And I think part of it was lack of successful role models.

The point is: yes, you have any number of opportunities most of the time. But seeing them is not a given.

The easiest example: you could make a lot of money on the stock market today, by investing in the right stocks. But knowing which stocks they are is not trivial... Life choices are essentially just investing.
There's truth here, but it's almost too obvious to point out that this is highly anecdotal and almost emblematic of all sorts of bias problems.

Selection bias is chief. Very few people are socially in touch with anything representing the general population. The author doesn't mention where he's initiating these conversations, but happy people do not hang out by themselves at bars very often or necessarily avail themselves to strangers in line at Starbucks. Many of them spend most of their socializing in families and tight knit groups of friends. It's very easy to interact with a certain strata of mildly depressed middle class people and think you're dealing with a diverse slice of society.

The other big one is projection. If you're a contemplative/philosophical person, especially a smart one, there's a good chance that you can tap right into people's ennui and disillusionment. People of a more manic bent can engage just about anyone in a fast-paced, neurotic conversation. The happier people I know are often under the impression that most people are more or less satisfied with their existence. Again, be careful.

Finally, most people also have a strong propensity to see themselves at a fundamental advantage to most people ("I'm doing good, everybody else is struggling."). I wish I remembered the name for the term.

It's an interesting conversation, but these kind of conversations need to proceed with a high-level of self-awareness that's somewhat absent here.
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> What we don't need is to teach a specific language. Any language will do.

Except BASIC. Anything but BASIC.

If I had to pick a language to teach 9-10 year olds, I'd probably go with Python. Of the 'real languages' (by which I mean languages substantially used in industry/academia for real applications), I think python has the least overhead to get your head around before you can write functioning code.
Those projects generate wealth too!

The point isn't that a productivity can't be measured, but there seems to be a lack of willingness to measure it.

Its simple, if you actually start paying people by their work. You are at the same time putting a lot of other not-so-good-but-lucky people in serious trouble. People higher up in the hierarchy are especially very afraid of this. People who got quickly promoted during the gold rush, people who benefiting from job hopping by claiming 30% hikes on each hop every 9 months will be in serious trouble.

In a place where all your work is transparent and your rewards are driven by it. A few productive people will run the asylum.

The majority isn't going to be happy with this. People love getting rich by chance and not by choice and work.
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I agree, although that didn't stop me from signing the petition. When I was at school I was told, "I.T. isn't a real subject", and was prevented from taking it. It was seen as a drop-out's subject.

That kind of attitude has to change, and although I think the wording of the petition could be better, I'll sign anything in the hope of getting this issue noticed.
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No. It's French government. Hide First. Think After.

(In 1987 they said that the Nuclear Cloud coming from Tchernobyl had stoped at the frontier with Germany... so that the State had not to pay for medical treatment of Cancer to public servants).
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I had a similar idea once, only with people - the theory was that each person is the reincarnation of the same one. So anything you do to someone else, you basically do to your future or past self.

Edit: just noticed the link from amvp, guess that's the same. I have to read that story, thanks.
And it's horribly poorly written, which will likely limit the number of people who sign it. But it has the most traction (there's another one that has one signature).
For reference - Eliezer's Dec 2008 post on this - http://lesswrong.com/lw/wj/is_that_your_true_rejection/
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although that didn't stop me from signing the petition.

Agreed :)
I second the screenshots request as well as more thorough descriptions. I don't want to have go to each framework's site to view the details.
We don't necessarily need to turn to genetics to explain this.

When one of your parents is an entrepreneur, being an entrepreneur yourself is a natural and obvious option -- but when no one in your family has ever started a business, it's anything but.

When I was younger, I simply didn't think 'hey, I could start a business' when thinking of things I could do with myself.

I wouldn't be so hard on yourself. We're all products of our environment.
You could also mention the Ruby-based Hackety Hack, a tutorial environment built on top of the Shoes GUI toolkit, targeted at tweens. You don't have to use toy languages.

Once they are proficient with the tutorials, students should be able to develop full-fledged Shoes apps which can be packaged as stand-alone executables. Shoes makes it extremely easy (and fun) to create and share games and other graphical programs.

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I'm all for fair. I just think incentive systems are a bad approach to that for programmers.
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Eventually we'll probably close it off and offer a couple tiers of service.

We took a very different approach from our previous web apps in terms of style and are hoping to learn quite a bit from this.
Yep, that's basically what I'm saying.
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* You are advertising your competitor. I don't know if it's Google Adsense to blame, but I see a prominent ad for Naukri.com (a popular indian job site) on the right sidebar - http://cl.ly/3y0l163u401L0l2q0k1B and then an ad for Monster on your job seekers page - http://cl.ly/2N0J0o00140h3r0A3x2n. If you plan to make money of ads, "atleast" don't have it on your landing page.

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But I.T. isn't a real subject, at least not how I was taught it. The mandatory course I took at school was essentially a certificate that says "This person can work the basics of the Microsoft Office software suite". No-one in the class didn't know everything already, since we already used Word, Powerpoint and Excel for our other work. If they taught some actual Computer Science rather than just computer use, it would be a real subject in my opinion.
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Python sure. Moving into... Ruby possibly, or potentially PHP (if you combine it with one of the better/easier frameworks) and then HTML.

The latter ones because you can start to get them to deploy/work on websites. Being able to write websites is a generally useful skill nowadays (even if you don't go into programming.. all my family need/want websites, for example).

I teach an after school IT club and a project to maintain/develop a site on the school intranet has consistently been the favourite :) Because it's something functional and visible!

(and also a good opportunity to teach about security issues what with the trial-by-fire environment a school brings :D)

EDIT: the other good thing about web-dev is that it needs a few different skills - design, back-end coding, infrastructure/sysops and databases which a) gives them a taster of all the career opportunities and b) lets different people "shine" in different areas, and contribute their strongest skill to the final project.
You're right.

But BBC is wrong. Marcoule recycle Plutonium comming from COGEMA La Hague nuclear fuel reprocessing plant. And this plant has half the reprocessing capacity... in the World. They reprocess nuclear waste from a lot of countries... including Switzerland or Germany and others which do not have nuclear weapons.

And then all that Nuclear Waste is sent to Marcoule to be recycled.

They ALSO recyle some nuclear weapons. But most nuclear weapons recycling is done in Russia and US. Not in France.
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Your website mentions low-latency-execution; how well have you found Haskell can cope with this? Have you run into problems with GC pauses etc? From my experience, major GC collection can be quite large and can't really be avoided...
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This may work well when things are going well, but as soon as there are internal "issues", it is a recipe for disaster.

"Joe earns 25% more than me, but doesn't show up until 10:00, so why should I bust my ass coming in earlier."

"For what she earns, Shirley should be providing way better specs than this."

"Cut me a break. I spent 3 weeks overtime getting that thing done, and Fred gets all the credit (and money!)"

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"Jerry must have something on the boss to be paid that much for doing so little."

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Team building is tough enough. Making compensation public adds another layer of complexity. Now every internal concern is made more difficult because the dollars come into play. There is no argument or discussion where salary is off limits. Before long, that's what everyone will be thinking about when you really want them thinking about anything else.
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"you just need to convince the employer you are."

Yes, and I think you cannot convince them on a standard job interview. A job interview is like this: you solved the problems we gave you, congratulations, we hired you (for slightly more than market rate). They will not give you harder and harder inteview questions and finally give you 5x market salary in my experience.

Earning 5x market rate is not only about capabilities but more about building a very interesting track record, personal brand, which helps you differentiate yourself and helps you convince clients about your value. It is a bit like a long-term strategy game.
Again I know the next question you will ask is what if the person worked hard and still fail. Well that is not going to be often.

This happens all the time. Startups are risky propositions, and sometimes people work hard for years and come away with nothing to show for it.
I think the former has value to people with no aspirations in CS (a lot of value, really, everyone needs basic IT skills in the modern world).

But you're right... they need to divide them - so teach "Basic IT Skills" (or w/e) and Computer Science as separate courses. A lot of the kids I teach are really put off by their IT classes because it is all about competency and not creativity.
Clearly not every investor is as explicit, prolific (nor as insightful!) as Wilson or Suster, but many, even the most modest-sized and earliest-stage investors, have posted something specific about what attributes in teams they look for and what broad or micro themes they focus on; many have a "Portfolio" page which can yield lots of useful information on the companies they've already chosen to support, and why. Finally, believe it or not, CrunchBase is a solid way to connect the dots - if you think XYZ or ABC investors would be a great strategic fit based on their portfolio co's, go and see who _else has invested in them, since they're likely to care about a lot of the same dynamics.

A tiny bit of homework goes a long way in getting an investor to return your email, and in getting someone to feel confident in making that initial intro..
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Yes. (IE, both, varying case-by-case and to a degree that choosing one answer would be misrepresentative)
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Actually the majority of the housing crisis would have been avoided had the government stepped in and simply required confirmation of income on mortgage applications. The lack of this simple and obvious requirement (which Obama put into place as soon as he came into office) allowed independent mortgage companies like Countrywide to put together ridiculous mortgages for people that could not afford it. Those same mortgage companies then sold the mortgages for packaging and had no risk. Thus, they were incentivized to get as many mortgages done as possible - regardless of the risk.

From my point of view, this is a classic example of where government regulation not only makes sense, but keeps market participates from creating abnormal risk.
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I've never worked at a startup that was consistent about giving out it's bonuses. Usually they did some variation of the "making our numbers" policy usually in place at larger corporations. As a startup, you hardly ever make your numbers. So I've come to discount bonuses altogether (along with worthless stock options) when negotiating my salary. Now that I'm at a bigger company, having a consistent bonus every year is quite nice. There are tradeoffs to be made though...
This is an interesting addition, but I have to agree with the other repliers that: a sorting mechanicsm is desperately needed and more information about each framework would be nice. (screenshot, etc) Other than that, this is a great way to stay on top of these frameworks. I'm sure you thought of this, but gitHub has a few lists that do this as well that you might want to take a look at.