You can find a draft of my point by point here http://pastebin.com/ae8Wvazc but I warn you that it will be a boring and not well put together read. I was planning on rewriting it or cutting it up and then appending it as a reply to each of the responses I got but I don't want to spam out this board and I don't want to go over everything again. Also sorry for responding so much later. I both love and hate getting into internet arguments. It always makes me anxious and stuff.. Anyway..

So your main concern is that I said that an unreasonable person would be someone who takes personal experience as evidence. My answer to that is two fold. First I have already said that the types of claims you and your wife are referring to do merit the same status as out of body experiences. That those claims are not testable and that I don't really know how it relates to evidence. So there you go. I do know that the brain is very malliable and that the way the brain experiences things are not exactly clear cut to us at this point. http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/09/wiring_the_brain So while I wouldn't take things that you might have experienced to be evidence for God I don't think that you or people like you are unreasonable. Your type of experience however is not what I was talking about when I first broght this up. I'm talking about the people who hear the house settling and they think it is Ghosts. (I wasn't talking about you when I said this or later when I was giving an example of a falsifiable theory.) Or the presidental canidate who thinks the hurricane is a message to politicians. I was talking about how absurd it is to think that there is a majority group of Christians out there who want to rationally talk about their beliefs and in any way have them challenged. That point and your other point that groups that do terrible things are not Christians are the two main things that I disagree with you. Christians that do terrible things are still Christians just like atheists who do terrible things are still atheists too. In fact, alien worshippers could also be considered atheist. I use the term atheist to mean skeptical freethinker. I think you use the term Christian to mean true Christian. That there is actually additional criteria that you are applying to the term that wasn't there before. Otherwise, what, we would have to rewrite every single history book about every single unenlightened group? Christians are generally a wonderful group of people, especially those that actually know a thing or two about the Bible. I'm not and would never say the opposite. I just think that the crazies also fall under the same banner.

@Dove

"I don't know" is a perfectly good and, best of all, honest answer to some of the questions we have today. I'm almost certian you are of the belief that we can't understand God fully right? So I don't see why not knowing something is such a terrible thing. I am of the opinion that the evidence will lead you away from sources that claim to know about the unknowable especially when those sources need to rely on threats of eternal punishment. I imagine that terrible business might influence some thinkers like Pascal but if you stick to the evidence, the story will be different. As far as atheistic belief relying on vain things and Christians beliefing things despite riticule: the last I heard is that the statistic is like 93% of people believe in God. Is it also the case that atheists are still the most hated group in America? Either way, peer pressure doesn't work that way. If you want pride you will find it on any side of any argument, just as you will find smarmy repugnent a-holes, and complete idiots. I'm sorry that you seem to have had many bad encounters. All I can say is that it seems like it is easy to become embittered on the internet by all of the rampent inflamatory crap on here. Sorry.