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Don't get me wrong, I 100% agree that sites should be allowed to host their own version of YUI because there are some circumstances where it may be necessary. That's why we distribute all the source code to be able to do it. But also keep in mind this is the Yahoo CDN, if it goes down, all of Yahoo goes down. I can't say the CDN won't ever go down, but to my knowledge, it has never happened.

If you are concerned about CDN reliability, for optimal performance I would still use the Yahoo CDN as you get all the benefits of combo-handling, edge-caching, and (soon) server-side dependency calculation. And as a backup, host on your own CDN in the unlikely event Yahoo's CDN goes down.

We'll look into passing the <C-F> test. :)
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From a software engineering point of view, isn't reusing components considered a Good Thing?

It seems logical to fork instead of reinventing a whole bunch of functionality (this assumes you are adding new functionality of your own, not just rebranding which is pretty sleazy).

Anyway, it _is_ under an open license so... what did the Author expect?
> don't use CSS3

Be careful with your advice. Using CSS3 3D transforms gives you hardware acceleration.
instead. in-stead. Okay, if you absolutely must go ad-hominem then I suppose "sheep" or "lemming" is less vapid. But seriously this sentiment is way overused.
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Good points. I think setting expectations is critically important. I see a lot of oversell in certification programs (this certification proves you are elite) and too much blind acceptance of the oversell. These are serious problems.
There's nothing in the law that says you can't walk up to a child with leukemia and say "HA HA! You're dying!".

The reason for this is because unrestricted free speech is very important, and some day it may become vital for you be able to speak in a way that hurts people's feelings. Therefore they do not restrict emotionally hurtful free-speech in the law. (except in cases where it overlaps with other considerations...but don't lets get too bogged down here.)

However I think we can all agree that it would be an incredibly shitty thing to do.

Software licenses in that respect are like the law. They are there to lay out practical matters. The reason for allowing forking is because the ability to do it in certain circumstances is important....if a product is abandoned or what-have-you, a fork can save it.

However, just like hurting someone's feelings forking is something to be avoided unless truly necessary. (obviously this is somewhat subjective). In that regard, the blog author is 100% right. Forks are stigmatized (in some communities) and this is how it should be for a variety of reasons both practical and social. Forking without a good reason is something of a Jerk move.

Some people seem to think if you release under a fork-permissive license it somehow welcomes all fork-related behaviour and I think it's a shame. I would say this is no more true than publishing your phone number is an invitation for mean-spirited prank-calls. Sure they will happen, and one should expect them (or at least not be surprised), but that's an entirely separate question from whether or not they are a morally or socially acceptable thing.

I would note however that I'm not familiar with this particular situation at all, and it could be the forkers DO have a good reason. In that case it's unfortunate, but that's the reality....sometimes you want or need to take a project in a certain direction and the project founders won't cooperate. In that case I would say a fork is justified.

I don't even think the bar for "justified fork" should be very high, but it's definitely higher than "the license allows forks"...and I think we should always fork reluctantly. It should be viewed as the slightly less desirable option.
I can only speak for myself but I stopped obsessively checking Slashdot (which had been a habit since 1998) around mid-late 2006 when Digg/Reddit had started getting momentum and interesting stuff was showing up sooner there since content wasn't curated.

Now I look at Slashdot maybe once a week, and I never read or participate in the comment threads -- because a given story on Slashdot likely showed up on HN three days prior and had a more interesting discussion then.
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It's not so much that other people dislike her ideas, but that otherwise-eloquent people react so violently to them that they fail to counter those ideas effectively. The emo philosophy majors who reflexively disparage objectivism and libertarianism in general don't seem to understand that Rand is the monster that Nietzsche warned them about. They end up making themselves look like overindulged children in any online thread where someone brings up the topic. They literally sound just like the gay-bashing Christian politicians who are later caught conducting their own "services" in a public restroom.

Whenever I find myself reacting so defensively to an idea or concept, I try to force myself to look into the matter more closely. Put another way: if Ayn Rand can hold up a rhetorical crucifix and turn me into a puddle of fuming goo, that's my weakness, and not hers.
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I'm not sure that the article really tries to say that a certification is a magical elixir. I think he's saying that they are sold as being magical. I also think he's intentionally calling attention to qualities and criteria that are not easily measured. But that's my read.
Yes but should millions of busy workers be needed to drive economies? For future humanity's sake I think the answer should be no, but I haven't a clue how to get there from here.
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> In the last couple of months, Jay & Mike have been responsible for the development of Jigoshop, an exciting new commerce plugin for WordPress, as part of their previous employment gig at Jigowatt. We have decided to continue the development work on a forked version (that’s the Wikipedia link if you’re unsure what forking means) of Jigoshop, which will now be known as WooCommerce.

So yes and yes. The comments actually clarify the situation a little bit beyond that (apparently this fork was their last resort):

http://www.woothemes.com/2011/08/the-good-stuff-new-team-mem...
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I don't anymore. I stopped when the combination of Pandora and iTunes became good enough to provide the convenience I wanted. Almost everyone I know has done the same. It never was about saving a few lousy bucks.
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Google pays 1-3M per engineer in all sorts of acqui-hires. This netted them ~100 engineers of the kind that Max can attract (i.e. top tier). It's a lot faster than acquiring 50 $2m companies that have 2 engineers each.
Selection bias may be the only reason we are still around. Or we just got here way before the rest of the party started.
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Thank god. There is some sense in the mobile world. Samsung makes absolute crap phones. I am glad to see a major corporation call them on their shit.
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Yes and this question was more posed to those living in the US who have access to the Hulu(s) and the Spotify(s).

I stopped downloading many years ago after the content industries provided legal and enjoyable alternatives.

thus I wonder why anyone still living in the US is still downloading copyrighted material when the content people bended and gave us some very good legal alternatives?
Maybe it's because there's more of an awareness here of how much the developer ecosystems we all depend on are built from Other Peoples Code.

From the languages & compilers to the frameworks & API's, every day we stand on the shoulders of giants who made it all possible (written on a machine running a commercialised fork of BSD).
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>Look for instance at how Java got sometimes even faster than C!

I don't think browsers are going to let you build a hot-spot compiler in Javascript. Nor do I think that an online, optimizing interpreter in javascript stands much of a chance of improving performance.
They could ban shoes as well. That will teach those punk kids. Lets see how well they riot barefoot.

It would be about as relevant.
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Try to immediately find a backup solution or workaround. What is your business, and was it in violation of C.Schwabs policies? They are a brokerage, not a payment processor.
It's funny because K5 diaries were one of the very early blog implementations.
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While you're at it, check out "denotation" to see the contrast.
If legislation like this passed, I wonder how it would effect relations with the US and the US tech industry. Its all fine and good to try and subvert the Egyptian government during a revolution, but what happens if the tech companies try to subvert another first world country?
My slashdot OCD ended when I found google reader. I still have Slashdot in my feed. By the time the slashdot story shows up, I've already read the source, hacker news comments and probably some other blogs I follow commenting on the story.

Plus, to follow any links in story blurb you have to click through to slashdot, which is highly annoying.
Awesome idea, good luck with that!

Edit: err, that was actually not meant sarcastically, although I see that the wording might give that impression.
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It's perfectly ethical. Is it socially acceptable seems to be the question.

If Woo didn't have luck with their own product, will they do well with this codebase? A lot more goes into running a project like this than just the code.
I feel really old now. All the things I remember most about Slashdot seem to have been forgotten.

Things I remember (most of these are pre-2000):

Netscape being open sourced (and the role Slashdot played in that)

Oracle shipping on Linux

The hidden Slashdot threads (wah_is_cool anyone?)

Discovering a input validation hole that let me post a "Powered by Windows NT" image in the middle of a thread about the original CERT XSS attack warning (http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2000-02.html)

Signal11 vs CmdrTaco (http://www.kuro5hin.org/images/kuro5hin_Sig11_vs_Taco.html)

The K5 split
You can clearly see the Hacker News influence in the orange background color of various elements. The jig logo itself is basically identical in style to the HN logo :-)
I think many people are jealous of WooThemes because they are doing a lot of money selling WordPress themes, succeeding where many people have failed.
Heh. I remember using the Linux Kernel 0.99pl13.

I was working at DEC then and I remember writing a batch job that would download the the SLS (and later Slackware) distribution floppy images and store them on one of our VAX machines, so that I could copy them onto floppies the next day in order to take them home.

Ah fun times.
These days I only interact with Real through Rhapsody, but if this is their idea of corporate citizenship I'm moving to Spotify.
This quora answer also gives some info about his approaches on entrepreneurship:

http://www.quora.com/Entrepreneurship/Among-Max-Levchins-les...
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The guy who did the design doesn't read HN :)

Edit: he totally reads HN
The idea that restricting the freedom of law-abiding people is an acceptable way to fight crime seems to be trending lately. I find this deeply disturbing. To quote Benjamin Franklin:

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Yeah, 'cause HN invented orange and white text.
Many folks are viewing this from the wrong angle... This is a serial entrepreneur. Guys like this rarely stay at big companies.

Take this from the point of view of a potential entrepreneur - wouldn't it be great to have a guy that's done it twice be one of your angels?

Or let's say he starts another company - wouldn't that be a great one to work for?
Also, desktop software, movies.

Really, anything digital.
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It's still web scale tho'.
Had to investigate, because I know I had heard of it before:

Tasty Labs was co-founded by Joshua Schachter, who also founded Del.icio.us, who is also on Hacker News - http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=joshu
If you don't want anyone to fork then don't OSS it no? Unless you have laws stopping people nothing else will. Surely finger waving won't help. I don't like what is happening but If it was me I wouldn't have OSS'd the project. Just that risk you take.

I really don't see morals ever stop anyone from trying to make a buck on the internet. Spammers, Mac defender scams, Big copy cat companies (you know, the guys that just go right out and wget your entire site recursively), Groupon (had to throw that one in), or whatever else you got. Nuts I tell you.

I hate to say it, but no one is going to remember you for OSS'ing or even forking a project. So it can go either way for both groups.

In the end people are only going remember the one that make the most noise (functionality, service, even drama). If woo takes off then people will quickly forget Jig.

Seriously, who remembers b2/cafelog? You know, it was a project later forked into something called WordPress. I'm sure you all know WordPress!
I'm one of those early users (uid == 18). I find the site too hard to navigate these days. I don't know where to click or how to filter it back to just the nerdy stuff. I guess I deserve my uid==18 since I feel like an old fogey saying that. :-)
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So, sort of like Stack Exchange, except without differentiating between subdomains and there's no requirement for an active professional community around each topic.
I love seeing Joshua Schachter went from a ridiculous domain (Del.icio.us) to the new trend of simple, fantastic and probably expensive domains.
It's not Q&A. There's a bigger plan.
Unfortunately, this was from a talk Steve gave when I was working at Apple, so I'm quoting from memory...
I love that this is on the front page of HN -- which is to me, what Slashdot was 10 years ago.
Yes yes yes. I agree completely that those sorts of shenanigans are exactly what our young friend needs to consider.

How this sort of thing works is you sign an onerous contract that, in a general sense, precludes you from ever jailbreaking again since now that you've worked there you have inside information. Then after a couple months they let you go, or they give you some super boring and tedious job so you have to quit in order to prevent from killing yourself. But you're still legally bound by the contract, and the whole thing cost them 1/100 what it would to bring you to court.
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I was in the same boat until I actually sat down and tried to do it. Look, the problem with being a self-learner is discipline, meaning discipline not to cheat by just Googling the answer. Discipline to swallow your pride that not everything will click at once so you may have to rewatch the lecture two or three times. And discipline to put your head down and go through the problems.

I'm doing 6.001 SICP course right now, the video lectures of Sussman and the other guy was mind blowing to me and most of it went over my head. I didn't quit though, found another resource for it in HTDP and am now going through it. The first part was easy, I could go through a chapter in 1 hour and do all the exercise. I'm now on the second part of the book and it's not so easy anymore, one chapter is now taking 3-5 hours to complete. But if I look at the big picture, it seems I'm par for the course as one is suppose to spend 10 hours a week per class.
I just hope they will listen to the the users crying out in unison: "keep the items, that's the reason we use Gowalla". That's really how the replies on that post look like.
Interesting. I'd rather not be required to log in though. I went to suggest some a bed-ridden software engineer learn Clojure and gave up upon account creation. The account creation was fine, I just don't need yet another account. Perhaps you're not after the casual commenter though...

I did like the aesthetics.
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From a quick scan of http://jigoshop.com/licence/ it looks like it's licenced as GPLv3. Unless I'm misunderstanding something fundamental about how the GPL works, any fork is going to have to be published under the same licence (or can they exert proprietary control over the specific changes they make after forking?)

Assuming the former, and that the new fork must also be GPLv3, I can't see there being a huge problem, the original devs can always merge in features from the fork into their version (although it sounds like they've been hired to work on the fork anyway)

What does this achieve other than a rebranding exercise?
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I think you will find that even in large organizations with dedicated teams owning server ops, if a problem is impacting customers in the middle of the day, there will be a way to get the deployment window open quickly.

Doing away with maintenance windows altogether sounds great from our point of view as developers, but it shouldn't come at the expense of customers suffering horrible latency during peak hours because the servers are at reduced capacity while a significant percentage of them are busy with deployments.

I understand the benefits of rapid iteration through continuous deployment (and intensive automated testing), but cloud platforms like Heroku and Beanstalk don't really help here. Cloud deployment and the ability for developers to push a button and have their changes show up in production quickly also doesn't mean you don't need QA anymore. That's a separate decision.

I understand that making deployment a simpler process through hosted server farms is great in that it takes off a lot of pressure from your ops team, but that doesn't change the development process.
How was Next a failure? 11 years from start to being acquired for 400M 1996 dollars is not "failing".
That's a really interesting thought. Is there any correlation between programming and writing abilities? (not that you were saying that) They're superficially dissimilar, but each is a creative endeavor that deals with formulating ideas and organizing them into a particular flow... It does seem that a number of great programmers are gifted writers, as well, but this could be blogger selection bias.
Should be expected according to who? Reddit doesn't have it, CNN doesn't, slashdot doesn't. Web IRCs do, but for good reason, it automatically logs the person out of IRC.

If I wanted to open the website in a new tab, I press Control+Click.
Who gives a shit what Don Henley thinks about the Protect IP act? Why not ask Ja Rule or Kim Kardashian what their opinions are? Bad form, Ars. Bad form.
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wow. I totally missed the difference between suggest something and add comment/question at first. Seems a bit ambiguous.
I won't stop you from sticking it to Rhapsody (their software has lost my music library several times,) but they've been independent from RealNetworks since April of last year.
But before you had traction (and before you were committed to the name).
Yeah, this feels problematic to us. We'll probably merge the two.
Really? Source-code is not part of the execution?
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