> I - and others too - have repeatedly pointed out how prostitution is not different from other already legal physical labor, but here goes the summary: it's consensual, something adults do, it can be relatively safe[0], it isn't necessarily more of a health risk than a lot of other jobs both for physical and mental health[0].

Oh, those are tight boundaries. What does "something adults do" mean, though?

> Some jobs are explicitly about you putting yourself into harms way
> Other jobs have an inherent risk like
> There are jobs that can be very bad for your mental health
> And dull, repetitive work does not have a reputation of being particularly good for your psyche either.

So the goal is to reduce that harm and risk, not in using their existence as justification.

> Selling organs clearly does not fit that.

Kidney donation and liver donation are considered safe and dont even seem to affect life expectancy much(kidney does but its like a year or smth). And you can also sell one of your eyeballs, if you have 2. All those are not harmful and you can perfectly function afterwards. What's wrong with selling organs, i don't get it.

> Slavery does not either

The difference between slavery and work at Mcdonalds is just the level of exploitation, it perfectly fits. Prostitution is just sexual slavery, no big deal

> Child prostitution does not either.

[x] consensual

[x] something adults do

[x] relatively safe

[x] according to you, it isn't necessarily more of a health risk than a lot of other jobs both for physical and mental health(ofc, talking about kids who reached puberty)

You seem to be afraid of kids. Kids are allowed to work part time almost everywhere, because they are supposed to study, not because they are magical. What's the difference?

> Your argument seems to be "if we allow any paid work, this will lead to child exploitation". "If we allow factory work, then it's a slippery slope to legalizing child factory work", "If we allow prostitution, then it's a slippery slope to legalizing child sex work".

It's about the direction. If we start gradually increasing the length of the working day on a factory, we will get back to child factory work, eventually, because that's where we started. That's how lifting of restrictions works, one be one. And no, there is no physical law from which you want a citation and if there is no physical law, then it doesn't exist, i already understood your position. What you are trying to protect here, as many others, is "yes, i did take all his means for survival but I didn't kill him, shitty life did. And he would've died anyway, so who cares."

> Your only other objection I keep hearing is that that genitals are somehow magical and very different from other organs so that when you use them for work instead of pleasure they will immediately fuck with your head, unlike say your brain or hands which are fine to use for work. And that prostitution is somehow degrading in itself [citation needed] most of the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_human_sexual_promis...

Sex and intimacy, and intimacy of sex are one of those things that turn a good friendship into a relationship. The word intimacy is kinda self-explanotory. I don't know, read a psychology book about human sexual relationships or smth.

> And that prostitution is somehow degrading in itself [citation needed] most of the time.

I don't know what percentage of people made a "thoughtful analyses" prior to using it as a source of income, but i presume it's less than 10. So yes, most of the time it is.

> All those claims are not just outright wrong

You just don't like it because you decided that liberalizing your mind in one way but not the other is the right thing to do without much facts to support it. The positive effect you know about, on a tip of the iceberg in Germany, is not much evidence, would've been if we knew for sure where forced ends and voluntary starts. They say that decriminalization in New Zealand led to some improvements, but that's a unique case - 5 million people on an island, - and we have no idea about it's scalability.

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But alright, nothing is important, everything is the same, prostitution is just a physical labor. Then it shouldn't be decriminalized, like Aella and others want it to be, it should be legalized. All that noncoerced stuff should be registered as individual entrepreneurs, and be prosecuted for tax avoidance. Even more so, unemployed on welfare should be sent to brothels the moment a vacancy opens
What will we get here? Nothing. The real problem which was supposed to be solved there for the majority, problem of human trafficking, will not be solved. Even Aella with friends will lose as they won't be able to compete with brothels/callgirls and will get the same payment as McDonalds, eventually. And, suddenly, the only reason you wanted to do that for - more money for the same thing, - doesn't work anymore. So maybe it's not the problem, eh?

Legalization of prostitution is not the problem, that's a consequence of the problem. I read several stories about women getting education while sex working, getting a job and then still going back to prostitution because it's "easier". The easier the legalized work, the cheaper it is and even cleaning toilets requires smth more than consent and genitals.

> How exactly do you figure it's "the more likely reason"? What informed that? Do you have any foundation to make this claim?

Somewhere there or all of that together.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4627728/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2563855/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2254224/#R1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16114585

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/249707796_Sexual_Ab...

> That's what happen in Germany, by the way. Prostitution counts as regular work and thus you get access to all kinds of benefits and access to the national retirement insurance, workplace injury insurance, etc.

Do they send unemployed to brothels yet?

>> So, if prostitution is just the same, we get serious inequality: women, by birth, have better opportunities than men.

>Uh... what?

You heard about the term "privilege", right? Last i checked, female prostitution was in a much higher demand and has always been.

The other side of a coin is that with current gender inequality, prostitution become an "equalizer" - women in difficult financial situation have no choice but prostitution or finding a wealthy husband if they want to raise their quality of life. So what's the point of legalizing this inequality? Women should be prostitutes because they can?

> Everything is rather complicated, I know. But it also gives you a lot of options and different way to get there.

I think, much more options would've been given if companies HAD to hire at least one apprentice if there happen to be one. Ofc, for a partial compensation from the government.

> The point is: you don't get paid going to school, and you don't get paid enough being an apprentice.

So this is the actual problem, not legalization of prostitution.

> I am sure that some people earn money from prostitution and other sex work to finance their time in school as opposed to taking out loans or work dead end side jobs with a lot worse pay-by-hour rate.

Be honest, it's not "some people", it's women. Women earn money from prostitution and other sex work to finance their time in school.

> The thing is, you'd get that slap under the current situation, where prostitution is not legal were you are and highly stigmatized.

That's a speculation