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Could it just be people pounding HN for any update on Facebook?
Zuck is writing it now.
No, you're not the only one, I noticed the same thing. In fact, immediately after reading and checking that FB is up I came back to the HN tab, reload it and it was way faster compared to a few minutes ago when FB was still down.
It is, but that comes with other problems that not having overhead stuff simplifies, like not being able to run the tractor around, and having the office then officially grid tied, which means I need inspections and permits and such.

It's totally fine off grid, and I like it that way, plus it offers me a rather robust backup power system.
The fact is, it's altogether likely that they could be legally require NOT to make such a statement outlining the cause if it was a hostile actor. I've felt a distinct change recently. The US government is not messing around about cyber security anymore.

The guys with the blue windbreakers show up, I'd pretty much say "yes, sir." Of course, I don't have FB's power, but I don't think it matters.
Yeah, totally agree. That factored into my answer too: "their secrets would require so much capital to apply as to be impracticable for most" was my explanation for why they probably wouldn't mind explaining it if they did know.

After all, it nets you lots of extra money in book sales, with no real concern that anyone will genuinely read your book and then supplant you.
>the oppressor

It’s a website that shows you what your friends are doing. That’s it. People said the same things about television
But graphene does not let you do anything more than AOSP, specifically it does not trust you enough to let you have root while using a locked bootloader.
Gut irrational reactions are usually followed by a rational realization when one "intellectually" knows something.

The irrational reaction itself may be triggered by the event of seeing someone else's perceived happiness, but is probably a manifestation of a deeper self issue like an insecurity or unfulfilled fantasy.
They said "the most in-your-face example", which does not mean niche 80s bands. Furthermore Varg Vikernes (Burzum) is not a white supremacist and he has explained why [1].

The reality is that in popular culture, 'nationalism' is seen as a dirty word, let alone 'white nationalism' (which is often conflated with 'white supremacism'). I don't know of any well-known self-proclaimed white supremacists.

[1] https://youtube.com/watch?v=JiTnc5tCZ5o
If Facebook wasn’t there monetizing their data to keep them in poverty maybe an open source tool would be instead.
Paywalls are great at stopping spammers. And membership for groups is hardly an internet only thing.

Haven't tried Hyper, but the nft gated discords I use are much nicer places to hang out and chat and make things together. In the past year ive gone from using discord maybe once a month to it being my main internet social-space. Even better is that most of the memberships feed back into the group accounts.

I'm curious why you have such a strong reaction against this though, I much prefer it to adverts.
If you can wait til Christmas I have a huge improvement coming. It's going 3D, which I think will really add to the magical qualities. At that time I'll be posting a page on how to do both the "normal" and the 3D versions.

I consider the 2D version a prototype, even though it is already quite cool in its own right.
On the flip side who knows what is real. Some people prob feel freer to be themselves online (cough...millennials...cough)
The site is up but I'm still getting query errors and other issues.
Docker is always used for running Linux. Even on Mac or Windows Docker is running Linux.

That's no help if you're building software for Mac or Windows.
As much as I'd love to imagine FB rage-quitting the internet because people don't seem to appreciate them enough, I'm pretty sure it's a coincidence. Probably has more to do with it being Monday (you don't put big stories on Friday and you sure don't deploy config changes on Friday!) than anything else.
That’s simplifying it a lot.
Sobering thought:

A politician decides to run on the platform of getting rid of social media and/or breaking up big tech.

Big tech has not only the money to run attack ads 24/7, they also have access to all your embarrassing photos, location history, drunk texts, searches, etc, so more than enough ammo to make even a saint look like a sleazeball.
In this modern era we've got things like downdetector that I've found to be quite a bit more useful that status pages - if lots of people are bitching about your servers being unresponsive you're probably not being trolled most of the time.
Once it came back people stopped mashing refresh on the related HN threads.
Telegram was down for me too

WhatsApp is still down

Something else is actually going on…
That's what I saw claimed, but that wouldn't go away the very second Facebook came online again
I primarily use firefox but I would choose edge over chrome simply because microsoft isn't completely depending on ad revenue.
Yeah the attitude doesn’t really make any sense. How does the license preclude them looking at the code? They can even download it, compile it, and even run it _without_ accepting the license. They only need to care about the license if they decide for distribute it.
it's not shooting the messenger because it's a curated experience to maximise ad revenue

and should be regulated as such
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Yes and no. Yes they could technically hardcode an anycasted IP address, however it'd be less reliable. Also you'd run into issues with TLS certificates. It'd be very inflexible and would probably result in more outages.

But even if they did hardcode an IP, the underlying infrastructure for Facebook was also down not just DNS resolution of facebook.com. So even if the FB app didn't need to resolve a hostname, it would still be broken.
HUGE NEWS!
Yeah, I figured. I think I tried "normal" backups a few times with garbage results and gave up on it.

Just straight up reinstall everything on new machines or major OS version updates like I've been doing for nearly two decades.

Good time to reconsider a lot of apps, too.
I'm talking back-end not in app data caching. I would also cache misses there as well but with less aggressive ttl.
All the devices on the planet with Facebook owned apps installed having no concept of backoff retries and people constantly refreshing trying to figure out why Facebook isn't loading was pegging the crap out of DNS resolvers, slowing down queries for other legitimate requests too.

Once they came back online and their DNS was resolving, it alleviated all that pressure.
Wow, I never realized Facebook was causing so much psychological discomfort in so many people. Either we are using different Facebooks or you guys need therapy and do not track plugin.
Sorry, I don’t follow. How is the act of observing illegal? I’m not advocating for getting access to private information.
We should have that debate about every organization.

McKinsey primarily (not exclusively) works with actors who have the ability to pay fees, and those tend to be actors in power.

The number of organizations whose leaders have had intimate dealings with saudi arabia or other nation states with dictators at the helm would include most of our employers.
Its almost like Apple stuck with a CPU vendor that was trapped at 14nm while they were able to buy access to TSMC 5nm, a full 3 generations ahead of what was in older Macs, with each generation providing significant double digit improvements in density and power usage reduction.
That's an argument against the Facebook Empire, not an argument for it.

Economies and comms infra should not have a single point of failure - clearly.
It's so much more and if you spend a significant amount of time on HN then you know it.
Could they offer cached pages to logged in users as an optimization? You only need to invalidate when a user posts a comment, most of the time you are reading now commenting?
To be fair, if you can 100% verifiably say that none of your users can access your website because of a very specific technical reason, "some" at best is a partially truthful description and certainly not an honest one given the information available.

I guess it really depends on how much you respect your userbase and how flexible you are with the meaning of words. ...
> So what, in your mind, is a more “democratic” news media?

Assuming the problems of voter participation are solved, I would like to see publicly funded journalism and the position of editor-in-chief as an elected position.

My criticism of US journalism is that they lay claim to legitimacy by being above the rabble. That is why they are able to decide what's in the best interests of the country. That's a claim to 1) a political role based on 2) an anti-democratic premise. I don't know of any expert specialization which makes a similar claim.
Aww man they're back. What a shame.
Yes, and as a submission I don't really see the point in it? Especially when it's not even a status page permalink (couldn't be, that was down too apparently). Post mortems very welcome of course. It's just karma bait as far as I can tell, and as you say, almost entirely uninteresting comments.

There are/were a couple of other at least briefly front page submissions around it of e.g. twitter/reddit potentially-leaked minor bits of info, and krebsonsecurity post; I'm sure the few informed more interesting comments would've found their way to those without a 'it is down, here is a link that will soon be up again' mega-thread.

Which leads me to a meta-point on this submission: I've flagged it, because AIUI it's customary that the initial 'down' submission gets renamed 'was down', rather than having the two 'down'/'up' threads.
> Except maybe in how we think about justice perhaps. But that's not useful now.

This is a big one.

Income and wealth inequality is another one.

The only reason why someone should have more than someone else is to incentivize to increase the total cake. But you probably can redistribute far more without reducing the total cake too much.
WhatsApp is still down for me, anyone else?
When logged in the site shows you for each entry (post/comment) whether you voted on it or not, thus it has to request a store with per user unique data. (Also custom color, your points, ...) When logged out all get the exact same data.
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Your experience must be very different from mine. My Facebook feed is full of interesting pictures from my friends. It's only when I visit HN that I find lots of hatred and bile... for Facebook.
You mean $945B?
Loans based on assets like stocks/bonds/other assets with highly variable prices always have collateral requirements. If the loan is backed by 100M in facebook shares and the price of stock drops in half you will have to hand over more stock for collateral. If the price doubles, you can ask for your collateral back.

It is doubtful Z has any margin call issues as he has so much stock, I can't imagine he would have pledged even 5% of it for loans, so he can just hand them another chunk without even blinking (which he generally doesn't do any way)
~sort of~

Some features, like adding new posts or uploading photos are having problems. You can likely read your feed now, but updates will be wonky for some hours to come.
Same.... was it a global DNS issue or was HN overloaded from everybody looking for updates?
> Apple is wildly delusional on the value that they provide.

I haven't studied it, so I'm speaking out of turn, but I'm thinking that it's cheap for smaller players and expensive for larger ones, and not as a smooth function. NFLX is well past the knee in the curve I guess.

If you buy that, then it's unfair to say Apple is delusional about their value add. On average it's probably fair within reason.
No. It is still down.
Maybe HN servers share room with something that got pinned down with requests when FB was down? E.g. 100000s of devices doing a login retry loop for some app since FB auth. doesn't work, or something.
Then collaborate with your peers to get enough leverage over Facebook to demand this.

It’s not like FB’s market position let’s them dictate terms in an unfair way that would require a certain governing force to step in and rebalance the tables……

/s
Codifying humanity: Can humor be reduced to an algorithm?
> Privacy is generally agreed to be a human right.

Correct, but not a universal, constant, perpetual one like life and liberty. It is situational and context-specific; for example, it is not assumed you have a right to privacy regarding what you shout in the public square.

The still open question is the scope (perpetuity and breadth) of that right regarding things like the information you query on a publicly-accessible third-party search service... Does it look more like the privacy around what you do in your own bedroom or around what you do in the public square. And we have precedent that pokes at this topic... One's banking affairs, for example, are relatively private, but the state has a vested interest (taxation and investigation of a crime) in acquiring that information in special circumstances, and banks can and will divulge their copy of that information upon due legal request from the state.

I think it's hard to build a case that you have the same right to privacy as a bedroom right regarding information that you have queried in a third-party's database over a public network. It certainly seems like the jury is still out on the topic (and has been for two or three decades now, at least).
This is an amazing read, and something I might do some day. A thing I've learned recently living in Japan's tiny places, is that good insulation helps you keeping electricity costs down but has the disadvantage of building CO2 faster.

So I would strongly consider getting a CO2 monitor for the shed. Considering size and the strong insulation you added, I doubt you can be more than a couple of hours before getting into "warning" CO2 levels (1000-2000ppm), and a full work day inside there very likely gets you into dangerous levels (2000+ ppm) which is associated with headaches, sleepiness, and stagnant, stale, stuffy air. Poor concentration, loss of attention, increased heart rate and slight nausea may also be present[1]

[1] Health Effect tab https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/chemical/carbondioxide.htm
> I got them from OpenSCAD official website

May you provide link to page on OpenSCAD site where Blender mentioned?

UPD: Just found it.[0]

[0] https://openscad.org/about.html
It's like that scene in approximately 500,000 movies where, for just a moment, it is revealed that the immortal arch-villain actually has a weakness, and can be killed.
> servers will do 'collapsed forwarding', [...] perhaps that's just wishful thinking on my part

I think it is wishful thinking, because that would basically be caching which is not allowed by the RFC. In 2017 the BIND implementation changed to a default cache time of 1s which would certainly ease the problem.

> then you have port limits, usually each request goes out on a new port, a recursive resolver can only have 64k

I'm unsure if this helps or worsens the situation, depending if the 'collapsed forwarding'/1s caching is in place. If this is not the case, ephemeral port exhaustion would kick in, at which point the DNS server will not be able to server other requests.

> On the authoritative side, it's not too hard to manage this load

Of course not, all you need to do is just present any response which will be cached by downstream resolvers. No smartphone/end user device will query the authoritative side as long as there is just any (even stale) response.
Oh TCL. I didn't miss you.
Oh, well sure if it’s just a caching problem then it can’t be difficult.

Only hard part left would be naming it.
I was there in the mid-80's. We had a 100m tall microwave tower on base. The Luftwaffe pilots from Flugplatz Pferdsfeld would fly loops around it in their F-4 Phantoms during joint exercises. The US pilots had been told they would receive Article-15's if they tried that stunt.

An interesting story about property damage however, was during the REFORGER exercises. What I heard was that every convoy would have a Captain or Major in a Jeep at the end of it, and he would have a checkbook to pay for any damages to homes, vehicles, gardens, etc. caused by the tanks.
What makes you think shareholders could sue over this outage without knowing the cause?
IANAL but I would assume computer fraud and abuse act:

(5)(a)knowingly causes the transmission of a program, information, code, or command, and as a result of such conduct, intentionally causes damage without authorization, to a protected computer;
It’s not sharing. It’s just making it searchable - aka the catalog and link back. The second feature is the ability to continue/resume from the Home Screen. That requires sharing playback information.
However, there’s no indication that Apple mines this information. On the other hand, it’s extremely useful to me as a user. This is the primary reason I don’t use Netflix much these days and I have a premium subscription. It’s so easy for me to reach to HBO Max or Hulu than Netflix.
That's exactly how I appreciate a beer after work every couple of days. A personal ritual to relax, taste a different - if possible craft - beer, and unplug from work. One small bottle (35 cl) is enough to make me happy ;)
I saw some teenagers sitting on a field and talking instead of on their phones this afternoon. Was a pleasant surprise
Perhaps more people visiting HN during the Facebook blackout?
Facebook is very far from perfect, but it brings a lot of good to the world as well. I met my partner of almost five years thanks to Facebook's friend recommendation algorithms. I had never met them outside of Facebook and we didn't have any friends in common outside Facebook either. In fact, when we met, we lived on opposite coasts.

I will always be grateful to Zuck & Co. for that, and for the hundreds of other friends I've made on Facebook - people of all ages, backgrounds, professions, and nationalities - people I never have, and almost certainly never WOULD have, met in "real" life. In my experience & opinion as an 8+ year high volume shitposter, Facebook is the best site in the world for dating and for expanding your social horizons/circle

And I say that as a former frontend lead at Ghostery, lol
DNS resolvers worldwide being bombarded with retries from clients trying to reach FB.
If you're lucky you can get a WWDC lab session.

However, I suspect Apple developer relations has largely turned into a broadcast/funnel system since 1:1 support doesn't scale well to millions of developers.
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My impression is that the vaccine is a net win for almost everyone who takes it, and for the persons they're near*.

We're losing 1400 healthcare workers in the middle of a pandemic, and those workers are (due to their own decisions [EDIT: s/own decisions/chosen stances/], I assume) losing their jobs. It just seems like such a tragic waste.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I haven't been able to find good, consistent information about the extent to which being vaccinated makes one less prone to infect others with the delta variant. But transmission aside, each unvaccinated person probabilistically adds to their community's healthcare burden.
yep, prepriming the cache rather than passively allowing it be rebuilt by request/queries can also result in some nice improvements and depending on replication delay across database servers avoid some unexpected query results reaching the end user.

In the past I was the architect of a top 2000 alexa ranked social networking site, data synchronization delays were insane under certain load patterns high single low double digit second write propagation delays.
And because families shared a phone only some family members would be listed in it.
It’s not so much the load as the DNS servers having to maintain state for all those queries until they time out. Must consume tremendous RAM and servers that are not event-driven could also be generating large numbers of threads.
I'm not sure Netflix Open Connect counts as a CDN? They might still use distributed servers from AWS.
"TB is also correlated with homelessness, poverty, incarceration..."

This was along the lines of what I was thinking. I just found it odd that the others seemed to be direct and this one is a second order (or higher) impact.
I expect there will be a lot of comments on this post representing a diverse set of views.

From an economics perspective, people choosing to avoid vaccinations adopt a stance that exacerbates a public health risk because, by their choice, they avoid internalizing the costs of their decisions. Mandates like the one rolled out by the Biden administration are legal, have strong standing, and are effective policy tools. And no one is being held down and coerced to receive a shot.
He might not be speculating, he might be holding a bunch of SPY shares and simply withdrew $150k as a margin loan so he can make a purchase on a house or car but not pay taxes on gains yet from selling his shares, opting instead to pay off the loan over time through regular deposits.
Surely the moment facebook comes back up would be higher traffic as people rush to comment on it (see this thread's rapid rise).

Best guess: there's a DNS dependency in HN's critical path somewhere and the DNS server they used was being hammered with the facebook dns lookup retries.
It'll be surprising to see what actually happens when these mandates expire - I'm quite happy the government is taking a more serious approach to encouraging vaccination but I'll be interested to see if these folks (which I assume have loads of healthcare administration or service experience) will cause a noticeable wage dip when suddenly they're viable candidates again.

It's also probably going to be hard getting another job right now if you end up disclosing that you were let go for being unwilling to get vaccinated. Employers probably want to avoid hiring unvaccinated people and also will want to avoid any HR drama you're going to force on them.
However, most multiplayer games did not work and those that did could not get your username.

And for some reason games failed to appear in libraries for the first 10-15 minutes after starting a Quest, the entries for the games just didn't appear.
Thanks for the response! I guess the big difference is being on camera. My team has been 100% remote of course since Mar’20, and split across SF and Toronto for the most part.

We use Zoom for cross discipline meetings (and nearly everyone has camera on most of the time, though there’s no explicit rule) but discord+drovio for remote pairing. Discord has been nice for the ability to drop into another pair to ask for help, or for non devs to know who is pairing and drop in as well.

One other thing I’ve noticed is that some team members play music in their headphones while pairing/mobbing. While the others can’t hear it, it’s certainly not helping our communication or focus… and it certainly feels disrespectful to me.
Yes. But banks won't loan 100% on equities.

This scenario would just be basically impossible.
If you feel that Facebook is really that detrimental to your online existence, there are easier (and more persistent) ways for you to block them out of your life.
At risk of continuing the devolution of this thread, anti-vax != "Republicans bad". Disingenuous false equivalence. One is the pinnacle of dangerous, malicious misinformation and the other is just a political opinion held by some that is at worst reductionistic
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Proof by anecdote
This technology problem is a good metaphor for Facebook overall as a company. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with having your app regularly polling for DNS records when it can't find them, but that can be an actively harmful approach when you are the size of Facebook. Being that size comes with a whole swath of extra responsibilities to ensure that your behavior doesn't end up harming society as a whole.