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There would be no outrage if they simply put "we'll share all your stuff any way we want" on page 74 of EULA (if they haven't already).

At least URL for this setting is nice:

https://www.linkedin.com/settings/social-advertising

There are other settings you might want to opt out of:

https://www.linkedin.com/settings/enhanced-advertising

https://www.linkedin.com/settings/data-sharing
"The Patriot Act seems to trump the EU law in many cases"

For the parts of Google in the US - yes. For the parts of Google in the EU - no.
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Corporations operating in the EU are subject to EU data protection laws.
It does not matter if the PATRIOT Act forces them to hand this data over. They are breaking the law in the EU.

Google had two choices:

1. Don't hand over the data => they break the US law
2. Hand over the data => they break EU law plus hand over personal data of users who might not want that

To me choice number one would be the lesser "evil" thing to do.

The solution is to have completely separate entities of the company in the local jurisdictions. Those follow local law and only share data with their foreign sister companies in a lawful manner and otherwise can ignore foreign law.
Of course this creates some complexities but it's the right way to do, everything else gets you into trouble and even huge companies as Google can't get around colliding laws from different jurisdictions.

Handing over data to intelligence agencies is just one example of mutually exclusive laws. There are actually many more like data retention laws. The internet is probably the biggest challenge to international laws and treaties ever.
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The PATRIOT Act is already surfacing as a competitive disadvantage for US-headquartered companies in foreign markets.
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Weren't we just talking about this yesterday?.... http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2855764

Okay, not about this issue exactly, but the amount of data that Google collects on individuals is Law Enforcement's dream.
Or, a less drastic approach is still be on Linked In and now know they are a bunch of arsehats who aren't to be trusted with your personal data so make sure you delete everything that doesn't directly give you value.

You then move them way down in your list of admired companies and actively badmouth them whenever it's appropriate - with the long term goal that this information will spread, hopefully ruining the value of being on the network to the point where it is no longer a useful resource and THEN delete your profile.

That's what I'm going to do.
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This is a clear example why China does not welcome US internet behemoths in their country. Who would want to give competitors easy access to their internal data?
Under some interpretations of the laws, Google would need to ensure that nobody under US jurisdiction has any access to the data. A full "split" would be difficult, and seemingly break a lot of the large-scale load-balancing and redundancy of Google. And what happens when a new, separate, jurisdiction arises?

While it would be technically possible, I think Google are probably happier just not dealing with the more paranoid businesses that are worried about this. That's the impression I got when discussing similar issues with their sales staff.
When the government (that your business operates) is requiring you to hand over data what do you do? Is it Google's fault or the US government? I certainly don't think complying with the law is "evil". If the law is bad, fix the law.
I'm sure that a secret agreement between EU governments and the US have been reached, as is the case when security is involved.
While I'm an open critic of Google I don't think in this case its a breach of that motto. Maybe a failure to disclose obligations to users.

Most people would understand the real culprit is the government. Microsoft and Amazon space there data centres geo graphically for a few reasons, and this is one of them.
From the article "but they [the companies] can be forced to keep quiet about it in order to avoid exposing active investigations and alert those targeted by the probes."

There are a number of reasons why both the government and the companies would want to keep it secret:

1. Bad reputation for the company.

2. Bad reputation for the government on how much spying they actually are doing.

3. "keep quiet about it in order to avoid exposing active investigations" (this point I would think to be irrelevant in this case however)
But the parts of Google in the US shouldn't have access to EU citizens' information if they're upholding the EU law
For the Hacker_News article there seems to be a peak every Tuesday in July (and to some extent May). I wonder why?
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That is very generous of you, much obliged!
It's not about earnings. Having datacenters in europe would still require them to respect the laws in europe. They need those datacenters for latency and plenty of other reasons. If they were forced to only reside in the US or in Europe it would make for a shitty experience for where they are not.

And going to europe isn't really feasible when most of the developers they hire come from the US. They could come to Canada if they want (they already have offices but they could just move the head office.) :)

Basically this is another law that fails to face the reality of globalization and is a strong overreach of the US Gov. It's potentially also destroying jobs if companies as you say must choose a place to be in.
Well, let's hope that legislators drag their feet on this, until good practices have been bedded down for them to codify.
I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet (I haven't read through all the comments), but having the headquarters located somewhere in an interesting area (preferable downtown, and I don't mean the downtown of a dying city like Detroit) and allowing your employees to take their 45min-1h lunch break where-ever they want (in this way taking full advantage of the cafes/restaurants/beautiful buildings supposedly surrounding their work-place) it's also a very nice thing to have.

For me, at least, it allows me to clear my head and come back fresh to my desk full of new ideas and joie de vivre. I think what companies like Google end up doing, by keeping their employees locked-up in beautiful golden cages even during launch-breaks is detrimental in the long run.
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I don't understand why you think that the Patriot Act seems to trump the EU law. The companies have separate subsidiaries in Europe. What the Patriot Act seams to be doing is Piercing the corporate veil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piercing_the_corporate_veil. Making the EU company break EU law.
I'm merely guessing, but seeing how the law takes a backseat when security and anti-terror are involved I suppose that EU governments and the US have reached some sort of agreement about which set of laws to enforce in certain cases.
Not social circles changing, but this is the growth of a project from email data.
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They could set up special purpose vehicles, with very clear operating rules. That way, if the US asks, Google can say that they have no control over the subsidiary.
Yes, Google is such an innovative and constructive company. I imagine that they will make it up to us with a brand new innovative product that we can use while on the toilet.
Thanks for pointing that out - my IE testing has been sporadic at best! I'll definitely take a look at that.
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It's not as if EU governments have any more qualms about the privacy of their citizens.
Read between the lines. Don't be naive.
There is one hole in this line of thought. All of those mobile devices, all of the "social spaces": where do they get planned, designed, and programmed? On desktops.

Until we have a mobile device powerful enough that you could use it to build applications for itself, we're not going to see the full feedback loop of better tools leading to better apps leading to better tools.
I can imagine this thing being pretty impressive on a construction site - it could presumably do quite a few things which require a mini excavator today, like using extra-heavy jackhammers or clearing huge pieces of rubble. Having watched a warehouse near my flat being ponderously disassembled by a trio of excavators, I wonder whether using an exoskeleton would allow for greater speed due to a much more direct mapping of tool movement to natural human movements.
My guess is that such an "agreement" would have been reached by one side only...

The law has been taking much less of a backseat in Europe when it comes to security and anti-terror. Also I find it hard to believe that the EU would just give up its data protection laws just to please Americans and allow the enforcement of an American law.
If Google US has no control over Google EU then a number of issues could arise. Does Google EU have access to Google US data? What about the code that runs everything? What about profits - why would Google EU send profits back to Google US?
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On the other hand, Linkedin doing this is more likely to get them sued or encourage people to seek an alternative due to business demographics. It's pretty easy to do a scaremongering campaign "Facebook reveals your personality and messages. Linkedin reveals your personality for now." etc.

This will make people on linkedin be less trusting and put in minimum or bad data. The ads will invariably be less useful, like Facebook is suffering from.
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Any money they get goes to pay credit cards, student loans and for the smart and fortunate into savings.

What's wrong with THAT?
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I think the requirement to be silent about handing over data is more for the corporations than the government. No wonder this remained secret for so long.
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Well, there is that as well. But I guess most people are less concerned about Google US having access to their data (even if it is illegal) than their data being given to US intelligence agencies.
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> There are a number of reasons why both the government and the companies would want to keep it secret:

Which are much the same reasons why someone who has stolen a TV would want to keep that secret. It doesn't make it an idea worth encouraging.
It may be more that such a simple operation is easy in AppleScript, and these guys are charging for it something that small.
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Quite likely. That'd doesn't make it legal, necessary or even a good idea.
The article doesn't mention the "Safe Harbor" provisions. This is a negotiated exception to EU Data Protection - roughly speaking, US companies can export the data to the US, as long as they promise to give equivalent protection. Google uses this to allow it to operate with personal data in the EU.

If Google have exported the data to a US jurisdiction under Safe Harbor, then a subsequent PATRIOT Act request wouldn't need to involve any EU-stored data or EU companies.

This seems like a much more general issue with exceptions like Safe Harbor, and something that people/companies should bear in mind. Promises like "equivalent" protection don't help with new local laws which can always trump anything.
Which is exactly what the EU did with bank and flightdata. The EU will make a bit of a fight and then simply back down. Like they always do.

Which is possibly preferable for every US-company which thus do not have to challenge your agencies.
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Google EU has a mission to "provide Google US with data hosting, and send profits back to the mothership". They have a contract, in which Google US grants free use of any code data that Google EU needs.

Google EU has a strict constitution, which prevents them from disclosing data, even if Google US wants them to. This clause in their constitution states that it cannot be changed.

If that's too extreme, they could allow the information to be released, but only if cleared by some specific third party.

That's just a rough idea. I'm sure Google's lawyers could come up with something much better.
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> According to German-language magazine WirtschaftsWoche, a Google spokesperson confirmed that the company has complied with requests from US intelligence agencies for data stored in its European data centers.

This isn't true; the WirtschaftsWoche article doesn't claim this. It says this could happen, but the claim that this article says it already did happen is a lie.

Not that this means it hasn't happened or is unlikely.
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I definitely agree with you on the one sided part..

I'm less concerned by the fact that Google handled the data over US agencies than by the fact that the EU doesn't seem to have made any objections.

Whether it's because the EU doesn't care, or because they was nothing they could possibly do, I don't know. But either way, it doesn't sound right to me.
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I think the 'evil' part here is in this case the failure to disclose the fact(s).

The law's evil as well, agreed. The government did evil things passing it, in my world. But that doesn't seem to be the reason for the 'Google did evil' claim here.
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This is surprising to me. Photovoltaic installations are doubling about every two years. Photovoltaic costs are dropping precipitously, to the point that they're becoming competitive with fossil fuels without subsidies, and of course fossil fuels are becoming more expensive. (Liquids, anyway.) The total amount of solar energy available on Earth is something like 100 000 times the current world marketed energy consumption, which includes all of our current fossil fuel consumption plus nuclear, existing renewables, etc.

So it's a really big deal who supplies the equipment for solar energy harvesting over the next couple of decades.

Maybe the US-based VCs profiled here have just given up and figured that China already has the market sewn up?
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Reddit's google analytics (Jan '11) puts their number of uniques >10x higher than compete and their Jun/Jul number is around 8x larger than compete's.

I guess thats what you for looking at a website that pretends a 1% sample is representative of actual Internet usage for anything beyond painting the most board strokes.
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Objectively according to who? The developer? That's the point. To the event planner who spends 12 hours working in excel she's got just as legit a need. Seconding the "pretty princesses" sentiment posted above.
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From the 'WirtschaftsWoche' article:

Die US-Regierung könne "auf außerhalb der USA gespeicherte Daten zugreifen". Der Konzern habe schon viele solche Abfragen erhalten, schreibt ein Sprecher des Unternehmens.

-- Rough, sorry: --

The US government is able to to access 'data stored outside the USA'. The company already got a large number of these requests, comments a spokesperson of the corporation.

--

Put like this, next to each other, is a strong indicator (yeah, it's still on the edge) that they did, in fact, already comply in the past.

First part is 'would/could/in theory' style, but the following sentence says they got these requests in the past and 'diese' (these) builds a rather strong link to the sentence before.

So - I'm not 100% sure, but let's error on the side of caution: They did it in the past.
At first glance it IS rather convincing, though!
> I am concerned that they broke it, and seem to have tried to hide this.

By, uh, mentioning it to journalists? There's a difference between hiding something and simply not announcing it loudly to the world.
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I'd rephrase this a bit...

I am a mere gadfly, a dilettante, and I have to get up and walk around to think, draw, sketch, scribble, look out of the window, focus on the horizon. At work, I spend a lot of time talking to groups of people, and moving things about. I'm actually unable to sit at a keyboard and type for more than an hour. So I use a kitchen chair in my home office and at work we have cheapo semi-adjustable computer type chairs, and three year old Windows boxes with smallish LCD monitors.

If someone else at work really did sit or stand at their keyboard for 12 hours straight, I'd have no problem at all with them having a fancy chair, because they would have my admiration and sympathy.

...might sell the idea a bit better to the support staff
Most of the mobile devices are, in fact, powerful enough to develop for themselves, what they lack is mostly decent input ergonomics and redesigned UIs for the tools. (And in Apple's and a few other companies' cases, they have an excess of lockdown.), but that's not really the point.

I'll be using my laptops for the foreseeable future (seriously, people still use desktops?), but the IBM guy's point is that the mass market is moving on from what we consider "PCs". Geeks will absolutely still have them, other people not so much.
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I wonder if it's a structural problem: if the problem is that the parent incorporation is in the US rather than the US incorporation being a subsidiary of a holding company in e.g. the Cayman Islands. That seems like it'd be a solvable, if massively annoying problem.
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