It's really hard to take you seriously when you are trying to equate a vaccine passport with locking everyone in monitored, isolated, government-run housing pods.

The comparison is the only way to shake awake some people who are too afraid to speak up. Because that's effectively where we're headed. Just look at Australia's new app that they're going to demand people use for self quaranting. Facial recognition and GPS tracking in your own home, and random pings that send the police officers to your house if you don't respond in 15 minutes. See my comment history for links if you're interested in that.

We sacrifice individual liberty for safety every day. People who aren't licensed to drive don't get behind the wheel, and if they do and get caught, the punishments are stiff.

That's not the same as false dilemmas around vaxed vs unvaxed that conveniently ignore the 100+ million who have superior antibodies from natural immunity. That's not the same as being fired from employment because you don't need the vaccine but your HR department wants to exercise ownership over your body. It's not a sacrifice of personal liberty to get in trouble if you drive before you're old enough or before you pass a road test, because you're driving two tons of steel that could hurt someone else.

Whereas here, it's only under the false dilemma of vax vs unvax where one could construe an illusory situation where vaccination is a function of responsibility. Because once we see that the vaccinated spread the virus, and those with past covid have superior antibodies...the entire analogy collapses.

And sure, I bet some people get their rocks off telling people they can or can't go to their favorite bar or restaurant because of their health care choices

And those people are more powerful than you think, and they will take a mile if you give them an inch.

But the bottom line is that we're not getting out of this pandemic without mass vaccination or natural immunity. And the time it'll take us to get to natural immunity will involve years of orders of magnitude more deaths

We already have a third of Americans with natural immunity.

https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news...

So it's already the case that we do not need to keep framing the conversation in terms of vax vs unvax.

the constant overloading of our heath care system, and doctors and nurses quitting en masse as they cease to be able to deal with it all anymore.

You mean like how the numerous nurses and doctors who say they don't want the vaccine, end up getting fired or quitting to avoid it? And consequently some services like child-delivery in NYC are being suspended?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-hospital-pause...

This is entirely a manufactured problem. Manufactured by the people who supposedly care about public health, who love those mandates and the power they feel when they sign those papers.

Even though this isn't a thing, I absolutely support the idea of a "post-infection immunity card". We should define what level of antibodies conveys enough immunity, and give people antibody tests and issue them cards if their antibody counts qualify. Those cards should be accepted wherever proof of vaccination is accepted.

Yes, except no to "proof of vaccination." That's not necessary. If someone feels at risk, the vaccination is available if they don't have antibodies. Wear masks if you have to. Implement mask wearing when case #s go above N. Anyone still demanding passports is naive. Why on earth would you expect 100+ million Americans with superior natural immunity to live in a "papers please" society?