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I really think you ought to have a look at how a child that has grown up with the internet treats it. My son has. He's had few restrictions, but conversations - both at home and at school - about what is ok.

He's had his computer in the same room as me for years and is only now (at 12) given some privacy online.

I know - from hearing and reading his conversations - that he and his friends are well versed in being cautious. If anything, they're far more cautious than I was when much older. E.g. the moment a stranger is on a voice channel when in some online game they'll cautious each other to avoid even first names, or rough location, and I've hard them descend on some poor unsuspecting person who dared ask one (innocent) question too many.

With respect to social media, he doesn't use it. Partly because he's not yet interested much. He's aware of them, mostly via youtube videos of people pointing out all kinds of pitfalls people have gone in.

He delights in showing me youtube videos of people showcasing people dumb enough to give out too much information, or posting things they shouldn't. Generally he's far more shocked about what stupid stuff people do online than I am.

He installed an ad blocker of his own accord, because he was tired of being bombarded by ads he was suspicious of. He's absolutely paranoid about viruses. He'll be far quicker to assume something is a scam than I am.

I know this is just one anecdote, but I think if you spend time talking to kids growing up with the internet now, they understand the net much better than you might think. Not all of them, certainly, but a larger proportion seem to understand it now than when I started using the net, where people still readily gave out their phone numbers to total strangers in chat rooms for example.

As for being influenced, I'm not at all convinced that kids would do worst, or even that badly on being influenced by social media.

Listening to my son and his friends, if anything net access have made them far more sceptical about not just the net but everything than my friends were growing up - my son and his friends have been bombarded with conflicting messages for years, and so they are very vary about which sources they believe, while most of my friends growing up would inherently trust whatever news source their parents preferrred and had no experience in understanding media bias or questioning the veracity of a source.

> Also making the internet save for children requires for adults to give up too much freedom. A free internet and a child friendly internet do not mix. The need for age verification is already very problematic, allowing for easier identification and tracking.

The faulty premise is assuming we need to make the internet "safe". The real world is not safe. Children mostly do just fine because we don't let them into it without supervision and without teaching them to take precautions. It's not perfect, but it works well enough, and it'll work better once more parents have grown up with the internet from an early age themselves.
The real underlying issue is that high profile accounts are targeted by groups of users who "report abuse" simply because they don't like that sports team/politician/etc...

High profile accounts cannot work under identical rules or they'd simply all be suspended all the time.
On that last bit, I elaborated on it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513656
Apologies for sidetracking from the main subject of the thread but are you referring to me as "he"? If so, can I ask why?
ive driven almost everywhere from nepal to zimbabwe ,and i gotta say american drivers are among the best behaved in the world

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The ED detail buried in this tweet:
https://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/1437450014507376649

--- cut here ---

sorry, the tweet length got me here!

they have temporarily forgone an ED. that is, they deliberately did not retain the existing temporary ED while this process went on
Serious: what did anyone involved think would happen?
> 2) How do you dependencies? Let's say I am building a new C library that depends on 5 other dependencies, how do I let users know?

https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/command/find_package.htm...
I think it would be short-sighted to deny the efficacy of their strategy of welding people inside their homes.
But we DO know that vaccines prevent severe illness.
Sure and while you are at it, add smokers, morbidly obese, drunk drivers, gang bangers etc etc to the list ok?
Yes, also known as platitudes.

However, "if it compiles, it works" is a bit more in line with Rust's unique ambitions. The rest are quite generic.
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Corrupt democrats already stealing the CA recall election:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/california-republicans-s...

Every democrat should be thrown out of a helicopter.
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This is why I think philosophers should stay in their own little world for the most part. There is nothing else the chicken can do, unless it observes it's buddies disappearing, but that contradicts the rules of the game.
It's probably just me, but I found loops much more intuitive than recursions for those non-recursion oriented problems. That is to say that I prefer to use recursion ONLY for those are un-intuitive to solve by loops in a trivial way.
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It's fairly obvious that TB is not spreading like COVID does in the United States. If it were, restrictions would be sensible. (I would note that if you have TB, you may wind up subject to a quarantine order. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tb-patient-quarantine-condition...)

Constitutionally, SCOTUS has ruled on the point in the past. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

> Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court's decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.
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Unless an England-based lawyer is lurking on HN, I don't think you're going to get an overly useful response from HN itself.

You should contact a lawyer or the ICO [0], the UK's data protection office.

[0]: https://ico.org.uk/
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The accusation of being "tone deaf" is one of those "it doesn't matter if you're technically right - you're arguing for the wrong team" comments.

If you have a substantive criticism to make, you should articulate it.
Huh, you're right - guess that comes from growing up during the '80s, when "multinational corporation" was practically synonymous with "transnational corporation". My bad and thanks for the correction.
Reminder that Alabama has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/us-vaccine-d...
This example is trivial but compilers are generally very good at de-virtualizing at compile time even in large programs. People who bring up the supposed cost of vtable dispatch are usually either repeating bad folk wisdom, or haven't used the language since 20 years ago.
Shower thoughts are great b/c you know nearly exactly how long a shower takes, you're relaxed, doing something basically automatic, and can take longer if you need to. You can also talk to yourself.

I guess what I'm saying is I find other moments in my day (shower, sipping my coffee in the morning, the few moments I take after I close my work laptop but before I start my evening, journaling, jogging or walking) to be much more effective and rewarding for thinking and self-reflection. Those times give insight and clarity. Not out in public with the cacophony of other people.

Obviously one can do both and more power to them/you.

I personally find the worst mind-scrolling is when I could be doing anything else (opportunity cost) not when I'm literally just waiting around.
Realistically, when would you be in a hundred-person encrypted group? Mostly this is the case when you're a member of some kind of organization, and there are ideas how to solve this case without pairwise verifying all participants (e.g. by delegating trust through a single trusted person such as the CEO, reducing the number of verifications necessary from N(N+1)/2 to N). Even without this, fully verified E2EE is still feasible and useful for smaller groups.

And even if you own the homeserver, you still want E2EE since you don't want the data to rest in plaintext server-side.

However, there is work currently being done to make it feasible for every node to also be its own homeserver, via P2P Matrix (https://matrix.org/blog/2020/06/02/introducing-p-2-p-matrix).
I write a blog too, but I do not want people to become addicted to it and spend hours on my site. I do not even want to track them, so Jetpack was uninstalled promptly.

Blogs are like books or newspapers. We can live with books and newspapers, they have been around for centuries. Social media are like fentanyl.
Even if it really is only you, that's a lot of edges in a fully connected graph. And odds are good a couple other people also feel the same way, raising that problem substantially.
That's happening on my dad's new laptop as well - he still uses his MS Office 2013 license because why not, but even after many attempts we couldn't figure out a way to make Windows open double-clicked files in that old Office. It would always pop up the newest unactivated test version. And before that it took a while until the OS even listed the programs in the start menu. MS literally fights its own software when you don't pay the annual 365 ransom.
> he mentioned it privately and doesn't seem to want to air dirty laundry more than he has too.

Unfortunately, it seems we're getting the worst of both worlds: The dirty laundry is being aired in this thread, but the actual details are being withheld.

From the Tweet thread:

> they've also taken steps to marginalize the core team. and some other dirty shit I won't say rn.

I'm not a fan of these "just trust me" accusations.
So you've admitted you haven't read what I said and the tweets and you've just rushed into the comments section?

> I don't understand why Google, Microsoft and AWS et. al are on a board of this new foundation.

> It is the structure that I am concerned about. Again, I'd rather have them just sponsor Rust, why wasn't a gold or platinum sponsorship like structure considered without placing them on the board of directors.

> We shouldn't be giving corporations too much power by letting them buy board seats in a foundation to steer the language, in this case Rust.

Are you saying I didn't state these concerns?

And even steve is concerned about the structure himself, if you have bothered to read the tweets.

Maybe you should actually read my comment and the links before replying.
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It could allow C to close the gap in the future, but it's not there yet. Fortran is fundamentally and pervasively noalias, and its compilers have decades of experience operating under that assumption. C/C++ doesn't use it nearly as much, and as a result the parts of the compilers that use it aren't very mature.

Rust is also pervasively noalias, but it's taken years for it to actually enable "noalias" on LLVM. Rust code uses that feature more than it's ever been used before, which keeps exposing codegen bugs that no one noticed before. Once those get flushed out, I still expect it will take a while for the resulting optimizations to reach the quality & maturity that Fortran has had.
Google has Go, now Amazon has Rust, and Amazon will not let Rust go away.

Amazon has enough money (and no moral or ethics) to take Rust and twist the reality to make people believe Amazon is right and Rust community is wrong.

Let's watch the show.
I don't use Facebook or Instagram. But I use Twitter, YouTube, Reddit and Hacker News.

I used to think that this is not that bad, after all, I'm consuming actually good content, not silly stuff like in those other networks. But then I was shocked to see how much time I'm actually spending on these networks. This is easy to see in the "Digital Wellbeing" section of modern phones. It was hours, several each day.

I was having trouble keeping up with my chores or exercising. I blamed work. I work the whole week and then in the weekend I want to rest, not to do chores. So I was falling behind. It took me a while to realize that the actual problem is that I'm spending so much time on social media. It's consuming all my free time. I don't watch TV anymore, I rarely watch movies or read books. Most of my free time is being devoured by social media.

The key word here is "addiction". It doesn't matter if you think that the content you consume is actually valuable. These are short doses of dopamine that make you feel good for a very short time and leave you wanting more. You start with a nice video of a guy building an 8 bit computer from scratch and you end up watching a girl watching dogs. And you keep scrolling because you want more dopamine. And if there is nothing more, you switch to Twitter or Reddit. And all these sites are being constantly optimized to keep you on the dopamine rush for as long as possible.

I used to think that the content I was consuming was actually good and valuable. And some of it is, but it was much less that I thought. One day I realized that I can barely remember anything that I have consumed on social media a week ago. Forget about a month ago or a year ago. It's because most of this content is so unimportant that it doesn't stick in my brain. Other slower sources of dopamine aren't like this. A good movie or book leave you with something to remember. Social media rarely does.

I now understood that I have an addiction to social media. I have yet to overcome it though (after all, I'm here on HN). But at least I know that I have a problem.
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The basic spec, Stroustrup's c++ is simple.

The insanity really began when attempt to further formalise, and narrowly specify the language revealed glaring gaps of the basic spec, and a decade+ period of haphazard fixes to the standard started.
Because discretionary emergency treatment doesn't exist.

It sets the precedent of that hospitals can pick and choose.

The homeless, drug users, obese, all get accepted emergency care.
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"hate speech" has become so watered down.
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> We wouldn't accept that from a manufacturer of a physical product.

Not sure what the correct analog for physical product is, but we accept everything up to and including catastrophic failure resulting in deaths from physical products under the right circumstances, so you're going to have to be much more specific.
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Other problem is being the _sole_ Patreon.

Many people think that the best thing for projects like this is to have as many entities involved as possible. Anything that is controlled by single entity is bound to forget the needs of others.

For example: neither Mozilla nor Amazon might have Embedded Systems as a core interest, so they will forget about it and might accidently make decisions that ate bad for this use cases. If you also have ARM, Microcontroller vendors and so on on board, they will make sure that this topic isn't overlooked.
The person I responded to said that hypothesis was dead which is a stronger statement than no consensus.
science work good, it just works slowly, this is normal way that science work.
the problem is people do not understand how it work, if new results can overthrow old one, scientists just accept it, but people will trust that he lie.
scientists revoked their article, people still use it to debate, usually if protocol is correct, scientists even do not withdraw their article...
If vaccines are accessible to poor people (free or subsidised), how would vaccine passports hurt them?
I might be tempted to add Daniel Pink's Drive though perhaps that might be for a little down the track rather than for starting-out...
They do exactly that for transplants.

edit: but as I understand it, this isn't meant to be a moral judgement, just giving the organ to someone who will get the most life from it. Maybe a distinction vs anti-vaxxers is that hospital staff don't expect choosing a vaccination or not to be a pattern that extends beyond this pandemic? or just that they haven't established a process? I don't know.
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I wonder how many would get vaccinated if hospitals preemptively triaged with bins approximately like this:

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50% of infectious capacity - Priority 3: anyone else including unvaxed covid patients.
Honestly - why should rando companies skim off the top of the entire country's economy? I'm surprised more countries aren't just nationalizing things that are a drain.

Why is something like PayPal not nationalized? Debit cards? The list goes on.
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There are already triage protocols in place that ration care based on severity and availability of equipment/staff.

COVID is agnostically treated alongside those protocols. So if COVID symptoms are severe enough to bump the priority of a bed, then the worst person gets the bed. And as capacity is filled up, more triage and rationing of care/equipment for the worst patients takes priority.

Making a two-track quota/rationing of care based on the source of distress is a poor precedent for health care.
In Czech republic, there is an ongoing project to extend one of the two nuclear power plants. Although there is some debate whether to do it at all, it focuses most on the high costs.

The bigger issue in the public debate are the national safety and strategic concerns. At the moment, it seems Russian and Chinese companies will be banned from bidding.

So, the sentiment is definitely not consistent. CZ is much more favorable towards nuclear than DE or AT, but it's still a complicated topic.
Even if it's not currently practical for 100 person group chats, verifying each other's keys is quite practical for 1on1 or other small groups of say 10 people or so, and you get a great benefit from doing so! Two normal users could use any matrix server, including the huge matrix.org one, and communicate privately in a direct chat with peace of mind.

Of course, I think self-hosting and decentralizing the servers is very important and good work too!
> There are many labor laws that hinder innovation and keep employment down

I think it's fair to say that the huge majority of labor laws actually protect laborers, and have been won through blood and sweat over many generations. To opt on "the safe side" and say "look, yes jobs at Uber are complicated, but if you work there 40 hours per week then it's a fulltime job and we should treat it as such" is quite fair.
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I think it's important to note that these are not currently clogging the medical system like unvaccinated COVID cases.

Edit: spelling
If this ever happens in the U.S. I won't bother with driving Uber anymore and this would probably put them out of business. The Taxi industry will win back from the disruption that Uber caused.

This has nothing to do with worker's rights. No one gave a crap about Taxi driver's work standards and they are/were treated worse than Uber drivers.

This is all about the Taxi industry fighting back.

75% of all ride share drivers would prefer to remain independent.

In Chicago, I can make $42/hour driving Uber. I still don't understand how anyone can claim I'm being mistreated.
Crisis standards of care is a framework to ration healthcare when demand exceeds supply [1]. Idaho enacted this a week ago [2]. Hospitals can pick and choose: "When criteria of medical need distinguish among patients, allocate limited resources first based on likelihood of benefit or to avoid premature death, and then to promote the greatest duration of benefit after recovery."

EDIT: The data is robust that the majority of unvaccinated patients who enter the ICU only exit via the morgue [3] [4], so medical criteria is being used in evaluating who does or does not receive care. This is not politics, this is objective science.

[1] https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/ethics/crisis-stand...

[2] https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/news/2021-09-07/idaho-...

[3] https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...

[4] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm
Do these groups cause strain on emergency medical services to the same degree as COVID patients? I have literally never heard of hospitals being full except in natural disaster situations, and this pandemic.
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The platinum members of the Rust Foundation are Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Mozilla, and Huawei.

I'd pretty much prefer that none of those companies have any role in defining Rust – but, instead, they seem to be about the only ones who do.
Still haven't received the up-to-date version from F-Droid, which is still stuck at 1.2.0. They really should have some provision to expedite a release when a serious security flaw is discovered.

Not the Matrix team's fault, but still a bit worrying. Maybe they could implement their own F-Droid repo to skip the F-Droid build server?
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> Why is something like PayPal not nationalized? Debit cards? The list goes on.

This is a good way to not get future PayPals or debit cards. The fact that even Beijing isn't taking that path should show how extreme it is.
except he doesn't because the excerpt does not exist in the final published article. and he doesnt use twitter
I mean what Steve says makes sense. Steve is far move involved with Rust.

However independently reading those documents from Amazon I felt "God, Rust seems more corporate language then even Go, Java or Swift."
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Perhaps it isn't and it's actually good not to go very confrontational right from the start?
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> I feel like Matrix should move more towards emphasizing how easy it is to self-host and maintain control of your own Matrix data, making e2ee is a non-issue.

Matrix is way ahead of you. There's ongoing work to build P2P clients [0]. That is, each phone/device can be its own home server. The latest update was in May [1].

[0]: https://matrix.org/blog/2020/06/02/introducing-p-2-p-matrix

[1]: https://matrix.org/blog/2021/05/06/introducing-the-pinecone-...