skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
They want to expand that "feature" to 3rd party apps too.

>Yes, Apple could scan the device in future. It’s still a lie to say they are doing it now.

Puh..i am relieved now...wait i don't even have a apple product.

EDIT: For Question below

https://technokilo.com/apple-child-safety-feature-third-part...

>Apple didn’t announce any timeframe about when will they implement child safety features in third-party apps. Apple said that they still have to complete testing of child features and ensure that the use of this feature in third-party apps will not bring any privacy harm
I call bullshit on your half baked retort. How is the short precarious lives of the very few early humans relevant to greenhouse earth 2021?
My problem with the non-lab-leak story is that CCP went to great lengths to cover up and downplay the virus in the early months, largely contributing to its global spread and a bunch of coincidences would have had to line up just right for the wet market hypothesis to be true (just happened to be in the same city as the lab where they just happened to be studying the exact same thing, where the CCP just happened to threaten and arrest any doctors or scientists talking about it?). CCP has also in recent months tried to shift the blame to other countries and they wouldn't let the WHO investigate for over a year, plenty of time to dispose of any evidence if it was a lab leak.

While non of that proves anything, it certainly makes CCP look incredibly suspicious. Of course, if it was a lab leak, its pretty unlikely we will ever know. All I know is that the CCP acted extremely shady and that alone makes me doubt their official story. Again, this doesn't mean it wasn't the wet market hypothesis, but its clear that the CCP's word cannot be trusted.

We also know that viruses have leaked form high security labs in the past (including smallpox!) so its not exactly unheard of.

Some footnotes: Its important to separate China/Chinese people from the CCP. Its also important to separate "bioengineered" from "lab accident", I think the former is extremely unlikely and the latter is very possible.
Iridium went under because the developing world installed mobile networks, and Motorola had a huge portion of that market.

Accounting tricks aside, they didn't lose money on the downfall.
I’m an iOS developer but I would never ever start an iOS or Android app as a side project.

Don’t support this madness anymore. PWAs aren't as good but they are good enough for most use cases. Just refuse to make apps for these platforms anymore.

If every dev does it there will be overwhelming pressure for Apple and Google to improve PWA support. Just keep pushing back against this.
I haven't had this experience at all, for whatever it's worth. I type ~120-130wpm for reference.
I haven’t said anything about what is acceptable.

I was just pointing out a falsehood you wrote about what is actually being done.
It's all on pages 4 and 5 of https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/CSAM_Detection_Techni...

> The main purpose of the hash is to ensure that identical and visually similar images result in the same hash, and images that are different from one another result in different hashes. For example, an image that has been slightly cropped or resized should be considered identical to its original and have the same hash. The system generates NeuralHash in two steps. First, an image is passed into a convolutional neural network to generate an N-dimensional, floating-point descriptor. Second, the descriptor is passed through a hashing scheme to convert the N floating-point numbers to M bits. Here, M is much smaller than the number of bits needed to represent the N floating-point numbers. NeuralHash achieves this level of compression and preserves sufficient information about the image so that matches and lookups on image sets are still successful, and the compression meets the storage and transmission requirements

Just like a human fingerprint is a lower-dimensional representation of all the atoms in your body that's invariant to how old you are or the exact stance you're in when you're fingerprinted... technically Federighi is being accurate about the "exact fingerprint" part. The thing that has me and others concerned isn't necessarily the hash algorithm per se, but rather: how can Apple promise to the world that the data source for "specific known child sexual abuse images" will actually be just that over time?

There are two attacks of note:

(1) a sophisticated actor compromising the hash list handoff from NCMEC to Apple to insert hashes of non-CSAM material, which is something Apple cannot independently verify as it does not have access to the raw images, which at minimum could be a denial-of-service attack causing e.g. journalists' or dissidents' accounts to be frozen temporarily by Apple's systems pending appeal

(2) Apple no longer being able to have a "we don't think we can do this technically due to our encryption" leg to stand on when asked by foreign governments "hey we have a list of hashes, just create a CSAM-like system for us"

That Apple must have considered these possibilities and built this system anyways is a tremendously significant breach of trust.
I object to the use of the term pinhole. Per capita the United States is one of the worst offenders. It's also up there in absolute numbers too.
I have scanned the phone for sorrow and the phone has scanned back at me I AM SORROWFUL
Bikeshedding

> 1. Futile investment of time and energy in discussion of marginal technical issues. quotations 2. Procrastination.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/bikeshedding
Great free service by the OP btw. We have a feature similar to this in https://narrationbox.com if you are willing to sign up. Almost all URLs work plus we have more than 300 voices to choose from. Disclosure: I am a cofounder.
> Google definitely lived long enough to become a villain.

I hate to break this to you but google was born a villain. Nobody innately good has to remind themselves "Don't be evil". Imagine walking down the street and meeting a stranger constantly repeating "Don't be evil" to himself?
Aurora could add other sources in the future or simply run it's own store.
He carefully avoided saying that the image itself is the same. The exact fingerprint is the same, yes, but the fingerprint is just a hash of the actual image. Disinformation indeed!

The whole point of the system is that you get a matching hash after mirroring/rotating/distorting/cropping/compressing/transforming/watermarking the source image. The system would be pretty useless if it couldn't match an image after someone, say, added a watermark. And if the algorithm was public, it would be easy to bypass.

The concern, of course, is that all of this many-to-one hashing might also cause another unrelated image to generate the same fingerprint, and thereby throw an innocent person to an unyielding blankface bureaucracy who believes their black-box system without question.
The fireside chat concept could work well. Especially if the folks in the audience don't have access to these opportunities otherwise and can sigh up individually. Thanks for sharing these ideas Dan!
Sometimes it looks like programming for banal tasks peaked with Visual Basic.

How did the web environment get botched so badly that creating pages with GUI tools disappeared?
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This is a really good point, and I think some countries actions are certainly (as you say) blocking innovation - Australia's moves around getting search engines to "bail out" the media is one example. Clearly an independent (high quality) press is important, but a "search engine pays" system is far from independent!

RE WhatsApp, I don't disagree it has done a world of good in disrupting the telcos. RE the CMA (the example from before), they definitely dont' give entrenched interests like telcos an easy ride (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cellnex-and-ck-hutchison-... for one that looks to be blocked from selling their tower assets to Cellnex). They're not afraid of shying away from big interests like in pharma either (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-fines-pharma-firm-ove...)

I definitely think WhatsApp has moved the needle and been a genuine power for good for disrupting meaningless usage-based billing. You can see this in mobile networks - at least in the UK, many don't even bother to meter and bill for calls and SMS now, since WhatsApp has utterly disrupted anything other than "unlimited". By eliminating the billing systems for most use, you also cut costs of running the network!

I think the question for competition regulators comes down to whether or not it's "healthy" (from a competition/societal perspective) for WhatsApp to be bought by Facebook, the owner of FB, Instagram and Giphy. And to then be able to acquire anyone else that emerges. It's interesting to see the CMA focus on Giphy's advertising offering being withdrawn post-acquisition, and suggests to me they might be focusing on tangible "acquire-to-disrupt".

As an innovator, acquisitions are obviously an important exit route to create a liquidity event, but I do fear that the market focuses too much on acquisitions from a limited pool of companies, and that we need to see a broader spectrum of acquirers, so we don't end up with a "Standard Oil" type situation. Acquisitions aren't the only exit route, though any move to limit acquisitions will (at least for the short term) likely reduce late-stage company valuations due to fewer options for founders. It seems likely that restrictions or increased scrutiny on M&A would likely lead to more tech IPOs down the line.
Recalling La Rochefoucauld, "The only orator who never fails to persuade is emotion".

I appreciate the distinction between an argument and a conversation. In a conversation, one is hopefully just as open to being persuaded as one is to persuading.

If, by arguing, we engender negative emotions in our interlocutor, we will have employed the most potent orator against ourselves.
There's no "most likely", it's already implemented. I just saw a USENIX talk from a developer and a cryptographer and they said it's a hook when iCloud Photos opens a file to upload it to cloud.

I don't like it. I wish it had never happened. Fuck the government. But you are wrong and blowing this out of proportion.
> They want to expand that "feature" to 3rd party apps too.

Do they? Where have they said that?
> A lake with 10m of water is very shallow one and can heat up many degrees C even in a single sunny day.

Sunlight gives about 1 KW of incident energy per square meter (at the surface), about 70% of which gets reflected over water and about 30% of which gets absorbed. If we assume constant light during a whole 12 hour day and perfect perpendicularity of the photons hitting the surface that nets you 300 Watts continuously to heat up that 10 meter deep body of water. Any deviation from that 90 degree angle and it will be less (multiply by the sine of the angle).

The surface layer will warm up quite a bit but the deeper layers of your hypothetical lake will remain mostly unchanged until they are mixed by the wind or some other means with the surface layer.

Of course the atmosphere isn't anything like a lake, there is far less conduction of heat in the atmosphere than there is in a lake, and besides that the temperature is completely inverted from that lake, the higher temps are at the bottom, not at the top due to pressure and the presence of that handy nearby reflector and giant thermal mass: the earth.
es-ar: "bug" we usually mix technical words in English in the middle of sentences in Spanish. The correct word in Spanish is "error" (the phonetics is something like "eh-rrohr"), but it's a generic word for errors, not only software bugs.

My guess is that the other countries in America that speak Spanish use this mix, but in Spain they may use the translated version.
Sure but one single dev part time costs somewhere between 1/2 south of 80T€ or 200T$ per year - running this on AWS managed services probably will cost you no more than 15T€ and this is really exaggerated calculation
I think there are a couple of different pieces of legislation, and the "allow multiple stores without discriminating" one is a bit more recent so they may not have seen that one yet.
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And we all know software never has bugs. Somebody is going to get arrested over this feature for some benign photo one day, I guarantee it.
I'm super happy with unpoly. Enhancing HTML to make it do things it doesn't do by default is an awesome idea.
But infrastructure _is_ code
How do we know that, though? They're secretive enough that it's hard to tell — they certainly aren't reporting high numbers to NCMEC's tipline, although it's possible that some of that might be the difference between human-reviewed and aggregated reports versus other companies having a fully-automated process making one report per image or something like that, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't using other channels.

Which, again, really hits the need for disclosure — so much of the response to this announcement has been heavily shaped by both that secrecy and just springing it on the world without much prior public recognition of this issue.
How would the US react to a foreign-led investigation of us?
Has there ever been a time in history when those in power desired critical thinking skills in the broader population? Those in power want a compliant population, not a questioning one.
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> Snopes can only go by what other sources have written, since they weren’t there.

I have supplied information to correct articles. They were never updated. This information was easy to come by. One in particular involved timelines/history of bills in the US Congress which they were very wrong about. All you have to do is go to Congress's website and look up the history. The "fact checker" could not even bother to do this. They had a narrative to push and the were going to push it.

Snopes is garbage for anything political.
A nice alternative for MobaXterm is Royal TS, especially for maintaining a list of 100’s of servers and simultaneously executing commands on a subset or all of them:

https://royalapps.com/ts/win/features
User story for this feature: "As a user if the phone I spent $1200 on is going to spy on me, I want it to also use my electricity."
Or look up how to handle kill process or sacrifice child.
This is limited to users of iCloud photos. If you want to store your photos on Apple servers, shouldn’t they have the right to exclude CSAM content? Apple owns those servers and is legally liable. Why is this such a big issue?
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It's sadly typical of their apologies. The "I'm sorry you feel that way" apology. As a long time customer its beginning to annoy me. You fucked up. Say "we fucked up" and move on.
Related but different (and no emoji special features), I was once recommended (either here or on Reddit) EurKEY [0] and have been using it since. Ö is (AltGr/Ctrl+Alt)+Shift+o.

I mainly type in English (and prefer it for programming), but I still need German Umlauts, it’s just a super convenient layout and even has niceties like typographical apostrophes (’ vs ') built in (ctrl+shift+alt+0).

To me, that seems more convenient than this (and Windows has a decent emoji picker with Win+. anyway, if you are into that )

[0]: EurKEY The European Keyboard Layout https://eurkey.steffen.bruentjen.eu/
Back in the U6σR
> Modern hardware is more than powerful enough to run decent desktop OSes

Good luck running a desktop OS optimized for keyboard, mouse and large screens on a mobile phone with a small screen and only touch as input.

Oh. WinMobile was like that. And the original Android was like that. People went over to iPhone in droves, and Google had to scramble to change Android to mimic iOS.
self documenting code ;-)

def descending(lst):
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return False
if first < second:
return True
descending(lst[1:])

def monotonic(lst):
if len(lst) < 2:
return lst
result = []
status = 0
temp = [lst[0]]
for v in lst[1:]:
if v >= temp[-1] and status >= 0:
if v > temp[-1]:
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if v <= temp[-1] and status <= 0:
if v < temp[-1]:
status = -1
temp.append (v)
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temp = [v]
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return [list(reversed(x)) if descending(x) else x for x in result]
> It’s not a distinction without a difference. ‘Kind of like’ is going to be read by most people as ‘easily fooled’.

I'm not really concerned with what you're afraid most people will think. Two images that kind of look like one another will have the same or similar hashes. There are literal examples of this in the links I posted above. And it's literally the point of perceptual hashing, to find images that look similar to a source image by comparing hash similarity.

> If you are going to imply false positives are common, then you need to back it up.

I just did with two links I posted above. Twice.

> Apple is saying false positives are on the order of one in a trillion per user account per year.

Sounds like a claim that wasn't replicated or independently verified. Of course Apple is going to say their system is nearly perfect, that's what all companies do. The onus is on Apple to prove that their marketing claims reflect reality.

> There is no point in reading old articles about perceptual hashes if the conclusions don’t apply to Apple’s neuralhash algorithm. If they don’t then reading about other hashes is just a distraction.

The onus is on Apple to demonstrate that their methods are remarkably different from the rest of the science and industry.

This is like saying the normal principles of computing don't apply to new Apple products because they might have invented a new brand computing paradigm that isn't anything like any classical or quantum computer mentioned in scientific literature at all. Yeah, maybe they did, but it's unlikely and the onus is on Apple to prove it.
This is some high class trolling on HN.

Folks who are reading this comment, RSS is not a terrorist organization.
I want to try this, is there a prebuilt binary available.
> you chose to walk away from the people who were telling you the truth.

To be fair, a combination of heuristics that say "distrust people with proven record of lying" and "ability to detach your opinions from reality is a significant advantage when getting and maintaining power" and "lacking external corrections, any ruling system will accumulate exclusively those who spend most of their effort on power games" strongly promotes automatic distrust for any an all politicians.

And I can't say those heuristics are wrong. Then if is up for individual to become an expert in all areas of life or be left to their natural biases...
There's no code just like serverless apps have no server.

There is still code. You just no longer control it. If it doesn't work the way it needs to, you are completely fucked.
> Every picture

This is the confusion, it's only photos being uploaded to iCloud.
Love that app. The built in one does not show tons of stuff you can copy to your clipboard.

I work in IT and people are baffled when I copy a few things, paste them one by one, then search for a thing I copied a week ago…I feel naked without Ditto.
I can also use my word as collateral, should I be taxed on that?
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> The core problem here is that Apple is effectively putting code designed to inform the government of criminal activity on the device. It’s a bad precedent.

This is wildly disingenuous.

Apple is putting code on the device which generates a hash, compares hashes, and creates a token out of that comparison. That is 100% of what happens on the device.

Once the images and tokens are uploaded to iCloud photos, iCloud will alert if 30+ of those security tokens show a match, it will alert Apple's team, and they will get access to only those 30+ photos. They will manually review those photos, and if they then discover that you are indeed hoarding known child pornography then they report you to the authorities.

Thus, it would be more accurate to say that apple is putting on your device code which can detect known child pornographic images.

> And it feels like pure hypocrisy coming from a company whose CEO once claimed they couldn’t build surveillance features into their phones because of pressures for it to be abused.

This isn't a surveillance feature. If you don't like it, disable iCloud Photos. Yes, it could theoretically be abused if Apple went to the dark side, but we'll have to see what this 'auditability' that he was talking about is all about.

Honestly, with all of the hoops that Apple has jumped through to promote privacy, and to call out people who are violating privacy, it feels as though we should give Apple the benefit of the doubt at least until we have all the facts. At the moment, we have very few of the facts.
This was an earthquake that causes a tsunami…

On a side note: I went to Apple site trying to find that page for all those new features and I could not find one (at least by going to obvious places). The way I was able to get it to link in my posts is by googling it… this whole thing is not yet obvious to laypeople.
Wait... that can't be true. Because the media immediately published this https://youtu.be/fr5OopWwp98 and they laughed the idea away.

So far I've seen no retractions.
I'm not excluding the lab hypothesis, I'm just pointing our that the natural hypothesis is also valid. Honestly, I don't think we're ever gonna figure out definitively which one it was (I don't think there's a 3rd competing theory). Even if it was a lab leak, I suspect that the evidence for that is gone.
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> Why use another store, when Google and Apple are required by law to have all apps

That isn’t at all what is being proposed
You can't kick religious people off of the world. And anyway, they're better at organization and mutual aid, so they would win any conflict with you.

The question is whether you want to get stuff accomplished or want to be right. A dead pedestrian who had the right-of-way was right, but it doesn't matter to them anymore.
Apparently, one CEO is responsible and the other isn't responsible for all marketing and ads.

Hahaha
If you are using tor, this is probably the last thing you want as solving one of these is a bulletproof way to fingerprint you. Even if you take it into account that manufacturers promise to reuse the same root key for thousands of devices, this is still a step backwards from a privacy standpoint.

But nobody cares about that in this day and age.
I have not come across any so far.
Apple: “we aren’t going to scan your phone”

>>

Apple: “we are going to make a tool that can scan your phone”

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Apple: “Sorry, the government is forcing is to use this tool to scan your phone”
The arrogance here is next level. Nobody is confused, you’re just wrong.
For a critical thinker, the baseline facts come from the person's own direct experience. They have to.

For example, I probably wouldn't 100% believe that hundreds of people can cross the sky in a metal tube (i.e., modern jet airplane) if I had only been told about it. But I've seen it myself.

Another example: I've learned enough about technology to think the moon landings were feasible, and I've learned enough about society to think that a successful conspiracy around the moon landings is implausible. So I believe the moon landings happened.