skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Plenty of unattractive men get girls. The "ugly man/hot woman" dynamic is so common it's cliche. Guys would be surprised how far simple hygiene and a good personality (which includes treating women like people) will get them.
If that hash stuff actually works (identifies CSAM with high probability), then that puts Apple in the position of knowingly possessing CSAM. The "One Bad Apple" article a couple days ago mentions that their staff was sometimes exposed to CSAM but that it was unknowing, because the prior probability of an image they looked at being CSAM was quite low. If the probability was high (like > 50%?), it wounded like they would have been obligated to send it to NCEMC without looking at it.

https://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/929-On...
> Ya'll clearly think people like me aren't worthy of being "in the know" (and probably of living at all to be honest)

If this is your read on the situation, you have problems. First of all "y'all" is multiple different people on a website who don't know each other. You can't cite a comment by one person to support your claim that another person believes something, and "that's clearly the subtext" isn't clear to me from any comment in this thread.

For the benefit of other readers, I'll just state it explicitly: this doc describes a TAR file that was shared with me when I worked at Google, that includes source code owned by the company that was never released. That's why the doc isn't public, it's not because I decided you "weren't worthy of being in the know" or of "living at all" - that interpretation is completely ridiculous. There are docs I've written at my current job that aren't public either, and that's not because I believe my colleagues constitute some kind of master race.

The key takeaways for me were:

- The UI looked like an old fashioned flip phone, as in the screenshot from that article

- Everything was JS, as discussed elsewhere

- The functionality wasn't particularly impressive to me, it had a half-finished calendar, contacts app, etc... And some graphical 2D demos

What was most interesting was just poking around the screenshots and commit log which I obviously don't have.
I assume because they know the system is so false-positive-prone that even 29 false matches is a regular occurrence not worthy of wasting an employee's time to look at.
Was not defending this measure, my question was out of curiosity
I agree! This is exactly what I ended up doing: https://github.com/bradrn/Conkey
True. I'm not saying that populist anti-elite rhetoric has a history of ending well. I'm saying that sh*tty elites who inspire and empower such rhetoric are the real problem.

Note that in history, when things really get nasty, it usually ends badly for 'most all current and wanna-be elites. The French Revolution was 10 bloody years of upheaval, and the eventual victor was no intellectual, but a ruthless general who seized power in a coup. Many of recent history's other highly successful revolutionaries (Hitler, Mao, Stalin, ...) have viewed elites at best with extreme suspicion, and at worst as a problem for which the best solution was some sort or other of death camp.
Are you accusing someone of being a terrorist?
We have that problem of trusting our compilers, and the guys that are trying to build a completely clean bootstrap of gcc (?). The ability to manufacture some known-safe hardware might help that project.
Read somewhere that the lead investigator from WHO or something had direct ties to the lab...
> This is an area we’ve been looking at for some time, including current state of the art techniques which mostly involves scanning through entire contents of users’ libraries on cloud services that — as you point out — isn’t something that we’ve ever done; to look through users’ iCloud Photos.

https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/10/interview-apples-head-of-p...

> This moment calls for public discussion, and we want our customers and people around the country to understand what is at stake.

- Tim Cook, Apple

At what point does the fact that half a decade has passed since those words were written yet the hacker community has made little contribution to that discourse about the importance of privacy start implicating us in the collective failure to act?
> The flccc unequivocally states that ivermectin given alone is not known to be effective

Without a randomized controlled trial, they have nothing but speculation as to what is effective or not.

> Moreover, as to the claim that the flccc is recommending ivermectin with no proof it works; they have 60+ peer-reviewed studies showing that it works

Note that meta-analysis of those published studies shows zero knowable effect for Ivermectin. https://www.cochrane.org/CD015017/INFECTN_ivermectin-prevent...
For the life of me, I can't understand why everybody in modern society is supposed to get some sympathy for being marginalized or a victim of some kind, but a group of people who can't achieve some kind of basic human connection for whatever reason are so outright hated on by the media and establishment politics.
std::dequeue is useless from a practical/portability perspective.

MSVC allocates items in 16 byte chunks (as in, one allocation per item if sizeof(T) > 8). This will not change due to binary compatibility.

From a theoretical perspective I agree with you though - having chunked allocations is going to be significantly better, and using iterators instead of raw pointers you can also avoid any trouble that might result from non-contiguity (e.g. trying to subtract two pointers - it will work just fine using the iterators).
Unrelated but can any one relate to me the joke about putting Descarte before the horse. I can’t remember it for the life of me.
What’s Wrong with the New Twitter Font
> I've long theorized that a lot of terrorism would be gone if dudes would get laid.

Daesh fighters often have/had multiple wives. Many of the 9/11 hijackers were married. The history of the IRA, and ETA are full of married dudes blowing up civilians.

Only a very narrow type of mass murderer fits the incel mold.
>> Afghanis that worked with us

Look at it from the perspective of someone who has had their country invaded by a foreign power. In what way aren't those people traitors?
Suppose we trust what they're saying, what proportion of "children abuse" photos is supposed to be flagged in "multiple nations"?

How many children is this going to protect, to weigh against the loss of privacy across the whole userbase [in US] [for now]?
Yes, even if you are terrible, nobody knows how to interview, so if nothing else, just by chance you’ll eventually land a job and an opportunity to prove yourself.

If you’re not good at the HackerRank thing, then don’t do it. There are hundreds of startups out there completely desperate for frontend developers right now. Find them and convince them to hire you, even if just for a month.
> but I've never heard of AWS, DO, etc. scanning people's storage either.

Pre-Snowden, that was insourced by the NSA.
According to Krawetz's article, Apple is not allowed to scan the files on their servers without a warrant. That's why they want to run the scan on your phone instead.
> One man who did want to emulate Rodger was Alek Minassian. He killed 10 people in Toronto. He later told the police that he had been inspired by incel ideas.

I live right in the middle of his path of destruction. My wife crossed that street not 10 minutes before the attack. This isn't a hypothetical to us anymore.

Ideologies that denigrate specific groups of people will always have fringes that decide it's okay to murder those people. We cannot, as a society, tolerate these groups. I don't like the word 'terrorist' because it's mostly used as a means for governments to be excused for abusing rights. But I also don't think government should sit idly by, watching as a such an ideology grows.
You can get a tracfone smartphone cheap enough to consider it a "burner" that is use only for that purpose.
OK, I'll bite. You really don't think it's a civilisation threat? It probably isn't an extinction threat (for humans at least) but certainly seems like it could topple modern civilisation. What do you consider the 5+ other more important problems?
Your app is great and has been doing the trick for me... It is reliable and straightforward... Thanks :-)
What's Pixel?
I'm running termux on Android 11. Ran it on 10. All installed from Google play.

I'm not saying there aren't issues. I'm just saying that you can install and run from gplay.
I don't know if it's summarized somewhere because it is still unfurling over reddit and forum reactions (to the claim against him, then his admission, then his later attempt to back-pedal). I would warn you that there's a lot of time to be wasted addictively trying to unpack what exactly happened here because 1) it's all arguments and interpretation and 2) if you have any interest in using meditation to move toward freedom from desire, here's someone who claimed to spell out exactly how to do that, but then obviously it didn't actually happen because he admitted to acting in a way that implies a high level of sensual desire, grasping and craving etc. - so it brings the whole undertaking into question, right?

My eventual take loosely is that the guy was somewhat of a charlatan/double-minded from the start so, it's fine - it's still worth trying to free yourself of desire you can probably do something like that, and best to go on as if this guy never existed.
The point of it is to make sure iCloud Photos remains a viable service in light of real and perceived regulatory threats, and possibly leave the door open to end to end encryption in the future.
Facebook is trying to analyse users encrypted messages without reading them
That’s certainly interesting since I thought the symptoms resulted from a basic lack of energy for cells. What’s the difference? Can you point to where I can learn more about that?
> One of the paradoxes of Buddhism, but specifically Zen, is the idea that the practice teaches you to be able to handle enormous stress. Practioners [sic] are taught to stay in meditation through physical distress, through mental distress, even while being hit with sticks, etc. This is a form of training.

Let me pick on this bit, because I have experience here.

That sounds like a crappy, knockoff kind of zen. Any group worth their salt will know the difference. You can have some legitimate, profound, and just plain really engaging and mind-blowing experiences with zen practice, but you gotta practice correctly. Lifting weights any which way is a good way to hurt yourself, but lifting weights correctly can put on some muscle.

On the surface, you're just moving heavy weights around, but that's not really the point. It's the form, consistency, and holistic routine that matters in weight-lifting. In the same way, zen practice might look like it's just beating people with lack of sleep and sticks, but what matters is how these are executed and how they work together. Done correctly, intense willpower and mental fortitude are mostly orthogonal concerns.
I think technology made the problem worse. These guys get together and share their anecdotal stories about being rejected by women and it cements their world view. They get black pilled and feel it's out of their control.

It is the opposite of a self-help group. If these guys actually wanted to improve, they'd go to the gym, fix their clothes, be more hygienic, hold themselves accountable and etc. Instead they all share their rejection stories and blame society for their problems. Eventually it comes to a head.
I'm sorry it wasn't clear. I meant attractive as a whole package, not just physical appearance.
Like ^

In all seriousness though, this is one of the most important recent studies. Social media is an experiment that has been having profound effects in our society and people are just starting to realize it.

Please downvote or upvote to express your outrage.
People do understand the difference. It is only you who seem to be confused about the easily understand words that's people are using.

When people say that the device is being scanned for pictures, they know what that means. So it is fine for them to say that the device is being scanned for pictures.
The approach I took for my keyboard layout [0] was a compromise: I kept the base layout the same as US, but added a bunch of dead keys on the AltGr layer. So e.g. ⟨ď⟩ is ‘G-% d’; ⟨ɐ⟩ is ‘G-f a’.

[0] https://github.com/bradrn/Conkey
> For instance, the "it only scans photos uploaded to iCloud" element isn't just an arbitrary limitation that can be flipped with one line of code, as some folks seem to think; as Erik Neuenschwander, head of Privacy Engineering at Apple, explained in an interview on TechCrunch[1]:

>> Our system involves both an on-device component where the voucher is created, but nothing is learned, and a server-side component, which is where that voucher is sent along with data coming to Apple service and processed across the account to learn if there are collections of illegal CSAM. That means that it is a service feature.

The first paragraph does not follow from the detail in the second at all. Setting aside how abstract the language is, what about adding more complexity to the system is preventing Apple from scanning other content?

This is all a misdirect: they're saying "look at how complex this system is!" and pretending that, particularly when they built and control the entire system including it's existence, that any of that makes changing how it operates "difficult".
Sex work is legal in Canada, for the most part. Didn't stop Alek Minassian.
For those interested in diving deeper into the research this site has a fairly complete index of all the other studies on ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment or prophylactic. Most do seem to show some benefit, however they generally have weak methodology such as small subject populations or lack of proper controls.

https://c19ivermectin.com/
If privacy was a selling point to buy Apple, then it will be a selling point to buy a competitor.

Who knows how much it will matter in the end? But it is hard to argue it doesn't matter.
I seriously don’t get what peoples’ brains are infected with to get invested in some random drug to the point where they start making a fool of themselves spouting such non-sense and just making it up as they go along…?

Example: “… zero studies ever in the history of the drug showing it to be harmful”

Ivermectin, as any drug that does anything, ever, comes with a list of side effects. See https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/ivermectin-oral... or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin#Adverse_effects

Note that this list is as old as the drug, and nobody serious is disputing it. Not even your FLCWHATEVER, or they wouldn’t have a reason to specify an upper limit for their recommended dose. Nor the manufacturers.

And yes, “side effect” is the same as “being (potentially) harmful”.

One study linked from your FLACCY site is at https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/... . It really should be retracted because it also relies on the fake data from Egypt, but anyway.

It says: “In a study that combined results from trials including more than 50,000 patients, serious events occurred in less than 1%”

1% of “serious events” sounds pretty bad? It’s somewhere on the order of COVID’s CFR?

I guess getting so invested into some deworming drug is arbitrary enough to be less harmful than tying your identity to hating women or democracy or whatever the alternative is. But it’s that pointlessness that somehow makes it infuriating in its own way.

We had Chloroquine and Ivermectin. What’s next? Kool-Aid would be my favorite. At least it’s easier to spell.
Perceptual hashes are specifically designed to be resistant to minor visual alterations.
iterating over vectors (of trivial types that aren't pointers) is generally going to be faster since the memory is contiguous. deque is implemented with chunks i believe? loading in new chunk could be cache eviction.
> The point is that with a Purism phone or custom ROM on my Android phone, I could disable these "legally required" features, because the law is fucking dumb, and my rights matter more.

But if we assume a government is determined to do this, can't they find other ways to do it? If you were using Google Photos with your Purism phone, it doesn't matter what you do on your device. And you can say "well, I wouldn't use that," but maybe your ISP is convinced (or required) to do packet inspection. And then you can say, "But I'm using encryption," and the government mandates that they have a back door into all encrypted traffic that goes through their borders.

And I would submit that if we really assume a government is going to extreme lengths, then they'll make it as hard as possible to use an open phone in the first place. They'll make custom ROMs illegal. They'll go after people hosting it. They'll mandate that the phones comply with some kind of decryption standard to connect to cellular data networks. If we assume an authoritarian government bound and determined to spy on you, the assumption that we can be saved by just applying enough open source just seems pretty shaky to me.

So, I certainly don't think that a purely technological solution is enough, in the long run. This is a policy issue. I think hackers and engineers really, really want to believe that math trumps policy, but it doesn't. By all means, let's fight for strong encryption -- but let's also fight for government policy that supports it, rather than assuming encryption and open source is a guarantee we can circumvent bad policy.
Ah... So we really shouldn't be talking about religion in the context of this story and instead attributing their motivation for their actions to economic policy?
I agree with you. That's why, IMO, we should be expediting their status as refugees, but also having a planned withdrawal so that an utter collapse doesn't happen, unlike now where it sure looks like there's a collapse coming.
> The images are converted to a hash and then compared to the hashes of known pornography of children, not directly viewed.

I honestly don't understand why this is a relevant point. It's still surveillance.

> that anyone who is storing their images of any kind on someone else’s computer and network thinks that nothing could have been viewed before

I don't think that's the confusion. I think a huge part of the issue is that the surveillance is not taking place on someone else's computer, it's taking place on your smartphone. Yes, Apple says it only happens if you're uploading to the cloud -- but that's just Apple saying "trust us". If they did the scanning on their computers instead of yours, it wouldn't be necessary to trust them on this point.
Ad hominem attacks aside, the question remains. Now that #OrangeManBad isn't here, who, exactly is,as you say, "the problem"? From what I've seen, Californians have a bad habit of electing people who can't accomplish anything, and then blame their woes on people who are so far removed from being able to have any influence that it's laughable. The forestry service under Trump is the same forestry service that logged (pardon the pun) eight years under Obama. What did Obama do to mitigate the fires? The Dixie fire continues to burn without restrainnt, what's the solution? Frankly, as much as I don't like the man, Trump is right - when it comes to forest fires in CA, it's kind of your mess to clean up. Drive down any road on the coast and you'll find acres of arroyos full to the brim with deadwood - literal tinderboxes that nobody is cleaning up. Okay, 50x% of the forests belong to the Federal Government? Cool, don't build your houses within a half mile firebreak of them. The other 50%? Well, gosh, I guess you all should have a chat or something.
The "HF" doesn't stand for "high five!"?
The distinction is between providing services and providing software.

When iCloud scans stored files like Google Drive, nobody complains. It's understandable that risk adverse legal departments have come to the conclusion that doing such things is necessary, to avoid a company being in possession of trivially-discoverable CSAM. And from an individual security perspective, you should consider everything you upload unencrypted to be the subject of similar analysis.

If iOS were to encrypt all files before uploading, making any iCloud scanning mostly pointless, Apple would still not be running afoul of any law. Apple is making general software for end users, and encrypting files to upload would be doing the basic user diligence I alluded to. If users end up using the software to do bad things, those specific users are liable and not Apple.

As far as I am aware, there is no legal requirement for a software developer to modify their software to perform scanning of content it will process while being run by other people. But this is what is implied when you say that Apple is forced to do this by law.

Furthermore if this development was driven by iCloud worrying about legal liability from the combined system, then iCloud should be spun out into a separate company that cannot affect the development of the iOS software.
And the first two groups outnumber the last by 100 to 1.
You have completely misunderstood the CDC article I think you are referring to. It proved that recovered individuals benefit some also getting a single vaccine dose. It didn’t measure recovered vs vaccinated.

Recovered individuals have vastly superior immunity to variants than vaccinated. mRNA vaccines have been show to drop significantly in preventing infections after 6 months. Natural immunity doesn’t and also you have a profound misunderstanding, natural immune system targets many locations on the virus not just the spike protein. Reinfection rates are estimated to be well under 1%, meaning 99% effectiveness, Pfizer is now estimated to 40% effective against infection.
>> But support them in their own choices and autonomy.

I mean yeah, sorta, sometimes. But other times u get back that vibe of “I just don’t care to learn something new, I’d rather do the bare minimum and I’m not really hungry to learn new things”. And recognizing the presence of this attitude is what causes the looking down upon.
When porting my own multilingual keyboard layout [0] to Linux, I used M17N. It’s actually really convenient and flexible: the keyboard itself is specified as an sexp, which makes it easy to both write it manually and generate it from another format. (I actually ended up making a tool to translate from MSKLC to M17N format [1].)

[0] https://github.com/bradrn/Conkey
[1] https://github.com/bradrn/Conkey/tree/master/ms2mim
China: here’s our database and here is one for Hong Kong.

They’re totally separate we promise.
Lots of people have made policy arguments. No US law requires client side scanning. No US law forbids E2E encryption. US courts don't let law enforcement agencies just demand everything they want from companies. Apple relied on that 5 years ago successfully.[1] And capitulating preemptively is bad strategy usually.

What Neuenschwander said doesn't establish it isn't just an arbitrary limitation.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI–Apple_encryption_dispute

Where the hashes get checked is relevant to the policy problem of what
That is incorrect. If I call std::vector<int>::reserve(1<<30) on Linux w/ GNU standard library, using the GNU default allocator, memory is lazily allocated:

$ ./1
allocating 4294967296 bytes
^Z
[1]+ Stopped ./1
$ grep -E VmSize\|RssAnon /proc/$!/status
VmSize: 4199804 kB
RssAnon: 144 kB