skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> This problem is the capability

> The only way to prevent all this is for the system not to exist.

I've been having trouble following this argument over the last week. Isn't it clear that the capability already exists? Whether or not Apple goes through with its CSAM plan, the capability is evidently there.

In other words, since Apple is a closed system, the capability was there before they announced the CSAM plans. Their announcement has changed nothing about capability other than reminding people that Apple has privileged access to the data on iPhones.

I guess the question is, if Apple does the CSAM program does that make them more likely to cave to government pressure to search for other things? And to do so without telling users?
> I'm sure I would use an IDE if I were a Dilbert-style enterprise Java developer. The enterprise thing took all the fun out of programming so I took my career in a different direction.

I think this is the crux of my fear here. Like I don't really enjoy the jobs I've had because they tend to be that kind of environment. I'd compare it to being a logger whose sole job is to saw lots of logs quickly. Using a handsaw just seems barmy but you would probably use one when building a jewellery box. I guess Unix type architecture and design encourages jewellery boxes over lots of planks quickly.
When using a language without an IDE. In a shell. At home.
> roman war bird

Roman? Did you maybe mean Romulan?
Given that privacy has been what Apple was using as they key selling point in their ad campaign, and now they've completely subverted that and mainstream media is picking it up and people are noticing, I suspect this will impact them far more than they expected.

While Apple deserves all the fallout they're getting and more, I'm disappointed that the NCMEC that pushed for this isn't also receiving more scrutiny and criticism. Multiple people have now pointed out that their database contains false positives, which is absolutely terrifying. Completely legal, harmless, no-nudity-no-humans pictures can get your life ruined. The truth coming out later doesn't matter when your home gets raided and it slips out that you were caught sharing multiple images that matched hashes from the NCMEC child porn database.
Sure, but it made a lot less sense on a device with a much faster data network and full featured web browser... even so carriers had their lists of all the features required for phones to be certified on their networks and it was very feature-phone-centric at that time.
I lost power for about 45min last year during one of the highest load days in California. No AC though so it didn't really do much except people went outside and talked about not having power.
You can't have a massive new fake war - the War on Domestic Terorrism - without ideally having new ways to track and surveil anyone (everyone) that is going against the machine politically. They need new capabilities and they're absolutely going to put them into place, asap. Did you see their reaction to the populist Trump circus? The globalists viewed it as a mortal threat. Everything they built since WW2 was in jeopardy as far as they were concerned. Their ability to launch more forever wars, endless foreign adventurism, obsessive (psychotic) superpower global meddling, all of it under threat from rising populism (represented by both Trump and Sanders) and a growing rejection of the entirely failed decades-long approach by the globalists that has led to the US being buried under nearly $30 trillion in debt and numerous catastrophic wars. Just look at what these monsters are saying publicly on MSNBC, CNN, et al. They're telling everybody what they're planning to do, they're putting it right out there. Look at their framing: we're going to target the domestic population; they're de facto saying that. They couldn't be more open about the authoritarian nightmare they have in mind. They perceive their system as being under risk from populist revolt against them and their agenda, and they're launching a counter offensive (the empire is striking back), it's under way right now. Bet on it.

It's quite simple: the culture of bureaucrats that have dominated Washington DC and its policies in the post WW2 era, they acquired a position of power the likes of which has rarely been seen in all of human history. Now, ask yourself: do you really think they're ready to give that power up? They're ready to stop treating the rest of the planet like it's their toy, to do with as they please. Then ask yourself: what do you think they're prepared to do to stave off risks to that power? The risk that they might lose their precious. And there you go, you have your answer. They're willing to do many of the same things other authoritarians have been willing to do. The US isn't Soviet Russia, that's not the suggestion; it doesn't need to be to start putting political opponents (fringe rabble rousers; whether libertarian or socialist - see: Clinton vs Sanders; that's globalist establishment vs domestic socialist) into prison and surveiling everyone in a desperate attempt to retain their power. That kind of power is an intense drug, they're addicts of the worst kind, you can tell by how they behave in regards to the rest of the world, how they treat the rest of the world.

To ensure they keep their power, to keep their globalist forever war machine (and everything that goes with it), they need to put the boot on rising domestic risks to that power.
We've had similar problems with keeping Zulip in the Apple app store. It's incredibly unpleasant to deal with this aspect of publishing an open source application.

For context, Zulip is a 100% open-source team chat project (in the same space as Slack/IRC/etc.). You can self-host Zulip, which we've put a lot of effort into making easy, or host it on Zulip Cloud (with both free and paid plans). There's no individual subscription option for the product at all -- just like with Slack -- so the app store policies to enforce their monopoly by requiring all individual purchases be taxed by Google/Apple shouldn't even apply to us.

But we've still had multiple rounds of rejections caused by aggressive enforcement of these policies:

* A couple years ago, Apple reviewers repeatedly rejected updates to the app because the privacy policy / terms of service pages linked from the app contained the zulip.com website footer, which in turn link to the pricing page for Zulip's paid offerings. This means our Privacy Policy could be a way to get people to buy something without paying the Apple tax! We "resolved" this, on the advice of their appeals expert, by passing a special parameter when loading these pages from the ToS/Privacy links in the mobile apps that hides the header/footer sections of the page :(.

* In May, Apple reviewers repeatedly rejected the Zulip mobile app for linking to its own source on GitHub. At first we thought the problem was that we had recently set up GitHub Sponsors [1]. Further correspondence determined that the problem was even more ridiculous: Any GitHub page has a tiny link in the https://github.com/zulip/zulip-mobile footer for GitHub's own pricing! We were able to convince them to approve it in the end, but we were close to giving up and removing the GitHub links. I'm still upset about the whole experience because it was a huge waste of energy.

It's not clear to me whether these rejections are what Apple's policies intended or just the policies being incorrectly applied. But it doesn't really matter: these appeal processes are opaque and scary and mostly consist of them repeating what you need to change with minimal explanation. If not for the entrenched monopoly, we'd be looking to switch to another vendor that wasn't so sloppy about something that's very important to us. I think the harm caused by sloppiness on the part of monopolies doesn't get enough attention.

[1] This would have been wrong too, though I do know some companies use a Patreon as the way to sell their product, and I can imagine that being a workaround that Apple would be on the lookout for. But it's easy to check that we're definitely not playing that game.
Jumping to line numbers can be done with mouse.
Refactoring and search/replace can be either sed or grep and copy/paste.
Filtering text through a command can be done in your shell.
Nano has syntax highlighting.
Importing from a file is copy and paste.
Not sure when you really need column numbers.
Split pane editing is tmux or multiple windows.

Now I'll take my customized and plugin-full neovim setup over that any day, but that does not mean a developer cannot be fully competent with nano. I've worked with large projects where I didn't have access to neovim or my setup and just zsh and vi were enough to get the job done. Having to use nano would have been more of an inconvenience but it would have not been in any way undoable. Understandably, a dev would be more productive with their preferred setup, but if a dev couldn't work without it, that would be a red flag.
No it covers the entire spectrum of theories. You have to follow the thread it's like 50 tweets long. He talks about bioengineering, gain of function, serial passage and direct animal to lab to public.
Nothing like the CIA heart attack gun to win hearts and minds!
> I think I got these two mixed together.

That's fair. Apple did a shit job of explaining themselves, and it has been compounded by a lot of misinformation (deliberate or not) in response. I'm trying really, really hard to moderate my reaction to this whole mess until I feel like I actually understand what Apple intends to do. I don't make platform jumps lightly.
I'm not saying iCloud Photos is using end-to-end encryption.

I'm saying that the same arguments you're making against their at rest encryption scheme apply to all E2EE communication

The idea being we already went through the "think of the kids" moment for that and now iMessage for example doesn't come up as being a defender of illegal content (at least not as often)

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And your refined point isn't much better.

You're painting people who are against on device scanning as being pro-hosting kiddie porn, and that's a terrible base for an argument.

It's like saying people who are against banning matches are pro-forest fires.

It doesn't pass a sniff test.
Once again, appreciate your use of italics. Ain't nobody gonna read the whole thing.

Summarizing, "you, switch, already, whom, should, should not". Did I miss anything?
It also depends what you use an editor for. Back when was doing more programming, I used something more powerful for the DOS environment--yes this was a while back.

I tend to use nano because I'm mostly making changes to config files and the like so I mostly want simple.
Outrage culture has to be one of the worst mainstream aspects of "normal" social media interaction. Then it spawned cancel culture, which went completely off the rails (IMO).
With all due respect to the geniuses behind this, the architecture of computers is fundamentally broken such that trusting any firewall that runs on the same machine that it's protecting cannot be trusted. This opens up the bigger open question about suitable pathways forward for revamping computer hardware architecture from a security-first perspective, which opens up questions about the flaws of the design of the internet itself.

Thusly, I will leave quietly, in recognition that the status quo is too entrenched for any visionary who has an intersect to share with humanity. Aloha and Farewell.

(ps: This comment is likely to be censored by hn.)
I just have to wonder who green-lit this idea to begin with. Every single other company is riding a post-covid tidal wave of sales. as WFH becomes a reality for so many workers, apple products are positioned to really take center stage for a massive segment of consumers...

and then this. Apple intentionally injects uncertainty and controversy? what were they thinking?? sure its just phones right now but im sure mac users are wondering about workstations and laptops? the damage control being spun right now is absolutely overwhelming.

im also surprised to see no other players like MS or Google rushing to take advantage of the outrage. even players like Purism seem to be ignoring the event.
Why thank you. There is a beauty of its own in that K1200R - except for the headlamp, that is offensive, no offense intended of course.

My knowledge in the space is limited to the GS range, having been privy to a few storys of romance between rider and bike while crossing continents. A beauty of its own.
OBL completely achieved his goal into trolling the west into a quagmire and got the US troops out of KSA within 16 months. Why would he need another hijacking?
You don't need to be coy, of course it's referring to you. If it wasn't (or you had a bit more self awareness) the wording would be different.

What about you makes you great? You seem angry more than anything. Not many great men are angry on the internet.
I also note that /child-safety page is only(?) accessible from outside search/link. There is no corresponding press article. This thing is just floating in the air somehow…
> Unrealistic fantasies about “winning the peace” we could do with fewer of

Japan and the Marshall plan are not a million miles from being an example of the change being proposed. A lot of differences though.

Edit: it used to say Martial plan. Sort of a funny error.
Well, the thing with religious extremists, who want to leave this world anyway - is that they do not really want to be running things, but they want the world they despise to burn.

One suicide attack - one major war. Mission accomplished for the extremists/terrorists.

And as for the Taliban ... well, they sort of won, didn't they?
There shouldn’t be a single line of code, or single binary blob, on my device that can compute these photo DNA hashes.

Apple could always go ahead and add that functionality in an update, but then there would be a big backlash and the opportunity to not update or switch providers.
Bad press on tech sites is the worst thing for a tech company's reputation. They're the people other people go to when deciding what to buy.

When Uncle Bob asks the family computer engineer about the pros and cons of a given platform and hears that one of them scans your device and a false positive could get you arrested for child pornography, Uncle Bob may develop an aversion to that platform.
Do you think pedophiles were previously uploading their photos to icloud? Seems implausible except for the stupidest ones.
I like the focus on tools to assist the human, rather than automating merge conflicts. Even if you come up with a new clever algo that reduces merge conflicts by x% from where we are now, how do you decide that these two pieces of now non-conflicting don't interact with eachother to produce undersirable behaviour? Unless you solve that pretty well, I much prefer the pattern of keeping a human brain in the loop.
Dorkscout – automated Google dorking scan tool
Well there is a huge difference to AntennaGate. The two aren't really comparable. Not to mention Apple did in a way admit to the mistake and gave out a bumper within weeks of the complain.

Compared to their Keyboard which took nearly 3 years before they have a programme for free repair.
NASA stands by its astronaut after incendiary Russian claims
Rooftop solar is tempting. I'm in the PNW so the economics don't work out favorably (even at $1.5/W installed, which is what I was recently quoted). But there are some non-economic advantages to having solar (as long as you have batteries) so it may still be worthwhile.
Same here. Just that I'll get rid of MS and Google. That means CalyxOS on my Pixel 2 and some version of Linux on my private ThinkPad. Once I find time that is, which to be honest can take a while. I think the last time I used my private laptop was over a month ago. Phone is different, but again time constraints. It will happen so.
My point was that universities aren't some kind of left-wing propaganda factory, and that they see universities as hostile to right-wing opinions because they deride the product of a university education.

The right-wing opinion on universities and college graduates shifted around the same time that college graduates stopped being a strong GOP constituency.
50% duty cycle is more than enough to keep the temperature at a survivable level. If the utilities use the load shedding program to reduce AC usage to the point of killing people, the situation would already be so bad that the alternative load shedding approach of black outs would kill far more people.
I like the idea, but people seem very resistant to things like being de-programmed from Qanon and the like. A lot of the anti-intellectualism that underpins vaccine refusal is grounded in a deep mistrust of authority. It will be quite difficult to achieve without stomping on a lot of sources of misinformation, which in this age is like playing whack-a-mole in a 10,000 acre field.

However, deplatforming seems to work. Nuking the platforms doesn't seem too extreme to me given the harm they are causing.
I don't think this qualifies as "gushing". It carefully doesn't make a specific accusation, but clearly describes how unbelievable the track record, if taken at face value. That's not unreserved praise, it's someone being cautious about speculating.

I believe I've read that the funds they started for outsiders didn't have the fantastic performance of the original fund at all. That must mean something, but I don't know what.
Halo Drive: Fire a laser around the Halo and get more energy reflected back than you put in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFqL9CkNxXw&t=2s
> Then it is almost useless.

I'm sure you're in a prime position to judge that.

> In reality, perceptual hashing systems use fuzzy matching on hashes by using a metric like hamming distance to calculate differences between two or more hashes.

Again, Apple's NeuralHash purposefully doesn't work like that [0].

[0] https://twitter.com/jonathanmayer/status/1423370142411476993
There is quite a bit of room between what most people set their AC, what’s actually uncomfortable, and an even larger gap to what’s unhealthy. That delta is what allows load shedding in a heat wave. They don’t turn off the AC for days it simply goes on a longer cycle so the building might hit say 80f with low humidity.

In rich countries like the US throwing money at the problem works, but for the much of the world the extra infrastructure simply isn’t worth the extra comfort.
>1. The Western nations didn't do much in terms of actual nation building and giving the country perspective beyond daily drone strikes, poverty and opium harvesting. Yes, there were a couple of schools built, but that doesn't give a country any perspective.

That's true if you don't think adding the female half of the nation to the pool of available talent helps build a nation.
oh, i know. sometimes i want barebones as well.
> It was a pretty key base for so many operations in the Middle East

A lot of this has been in support of some questionable regimes and has probably exacerbated the dysfunction.
I didn’t want to dive into how the Congress invasion could be an artifact of enemies successfully mounting us against each other.
The reason they pushed privacy was because of the media attention that Androids bad privacy got. Please don't tell me you believe privacy was at the usual consumers mind when they bought their devices...this is ridiculous or you don't meet many normal users. It's marketing. They'll something new. You can fit everything in front of a white background...
How much of an impact do you think this will have on the non tech savvy user though? Most people already don't care about ad tracking, location tracking, etc. I think your standard user will just shrug this off and go "eh, I have nothing to hide and it's good for the kids"
Last I checked, the Germans crushed the Russians in WW1 while treating that front as a defensive action while the real war was fought on the Western front.

The Polish invasion in 1920 was pretty effective too until it wasn't, same for Napoleon, etc. Point being its a big corridor for large troop movements.
"Build this. Don't explain why" is not chess. It would be a perfectly logical order from the power structures Snowden exposed.

eta: It makes way more sense to me than Apple actually thinking this was a good idea.
More and more I turn to the curated model. Recommendations from close personal friends are good too.

I wish there was a way to turn off the other channels.
> How many matches will US judges require before they sign warrants for arrests, search and seizure of digital devices? If they are technically competent it shouldn't only be 1, but I don't trust all judges to understand probability well enough to require multiple matches.

Even that doesn't come without issue. How long before '1' becomes the value, because, say for example the number is ten, there's also a horrendous PR spin of "Apple has a high degree of suspicion that you have CSAM on your device, but since there's only 8 images, they won't do anything about it" - "Apple allows up to X non-reported CSAM images on Apple devices" is hard to represent in any positive fashion.
USA-only referred to which accounts would be scanned. Whereas it's theoretically a good thing to require the CSAM hashes to be verified by organisations in multiple countries (rather than a single US government-tied organisation that dismissed privacy concerns as "the screeching voices of the minority").

I'm hoping for something along the lines of "iOS will reject hashes that haven't been signed by independent organisations in US, Russia, China, and India" to make it very difficult to push through anything except actual CSAM. Won't be much of a guarantee if it's just Apple saying "we promise we're only using hashes that have been checked by Australia and the US".
Could we not build straw man, please.

I never did that.

Americans were the topic here. See quote.
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> Not everyone needs to master programming, they need to achieve a goal

Great! For them exists python.

And there I was hoping that I wasn't unfairly stereotyping you.
The folks who choose iPhone in part because of a perception of relative privacy and respect for the user (like myself) will think twice.

My two concerns are that Android as an ecosystem is almost certainly still worse, and that the vast majority of users will not care.

I’m tempted to jailbreak my devices going forward, although I guess the folks at Apple would say that makes me a pedophile.

Edit: seeking recommendations for Android phones with strong performance and reasonable privacy protections. Ideally one that can be used without a Google account.
Apple to their users: the technology is so advanced so you don't even have to understand it /s

How long before Apples will start putting digital "yellow dots" to documents so that we can catch those pesky whistleblowers
I've never worked with distros targeting enterprise, but I've never encountered a distro that didn't include nano.

Even if Vim is "better", I think it's important for all distros to include a text editor that is easy to use out of the box, and nano fits that bill perfectly.
Main character syndrome appears to be fairly rampant amongst conspiracy theorists.