> You were quite obviously comparing Xinjiang to the Holocaust. If you're backing off from that offensive comment, then that's good, but you did indeed draw the connection.

Don't put words in other people's mouths, your assumptions haven't been right so far. I was making the argument that you don't need to physically be somewhere to understand what is happening there, a point you still haven't addressed. And no, XJ isn't the holocaust. There aren't ovens and people aren't shoved in them. But the holocaust started out as forced work camps with elements of torture as well. Trying to downplay that very real atrocity as "yes but it wasn't the holocaust" is pretty cynical.

> The Russian Sputnik-V vaccine is actually one of the most effective vaccines

I'm sorry is that your opinion? In this world, we work in data. And Russia, like China, have done all they can to obscure standardized third-party testing of their vaccines (because they are worried that less efficacy is a political loss). They limit the data, then turn on their propaganda machines to try and convince people they are the best. Apparently, it works.

https://www.reuters.com/world/the-great-reboot/exclusive-eur...

Early "tests" done on the Russian vaccine were done by the government, with 0 oversight or transparency. Later Phase 3 trial data was made available, but there's still lots of evidence of political influence on the trails and data itself.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/russia-s-claim-succe...

> There are multiple peer-reviewed papers reporting on the results of phase-III trials

Results of trials. Results of data handed to them as a honeypot. The first rule of data analysis is you collect your own data, otherwise you could be setup. And China specifically forbid the release of the raw patient data, as I already mentioned.

Honestly, I don't feel like continuing this. This is increasingly bad faith, you feel attacked and continue to double down on literal state propaganda.

> you've very confidently repeated a number of false claims about Chinese vaccines

Up is down, left is right, war is peace. Gao Fu said what he said, it was translated directly. He walked it back (of course) because his political masters saw it as embarrassing.

Chinese officials TO THIS DAY publicly claim they need to make their vaccines more efficient.

https://twitter.com/StuartKLau/status/1423679708248555521

You are arguing a position not even the CCP maintains. The whole world knows their vaccines aren't good enough, but here we are.

> I'm on the "side" that says we should have an accurate picture of China.

>As I said at the outset, for people who are at all familiar with China, the "China" that you read about in the news is totally unrecognizable.

Isn't that the point? China shapes their domestic narrative to the point where most Han Chinese think the millions of people locked away in XJ are all "terrorists". They don't get to see the footage and testimonials from the camps. They couldn't speak out against them even if they wanted to. All you have to say is "China is misrepresented" - then tell me, how are we supposed to discuss an authoritarian country with prison camps and expansionist military and imperialist ambitions? More footage of Panda bears playing in zoos? If we can't honestly discuss what is happening, what's the point?

According to conversations i've had with Chinese nationalists, their argument boil down to "you all did colonialism and expansionism before and now it's our turn". Which I obviously disagree with, do you?