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> Apple's choice of announcing all 3 features together isn't a mistake. This is one of the best PR department in the world. Logic requires us to dig deeper.

While I think your other critiques are reasonable (with an asterisk I'll get back to), this is a little conspiratorial-sounding -- and I would submit that we have a lot of circumstantial evidence from the last ~36 hours of reporting that the PR generated around this has not exactly been positive. I don't see how announcing all of these features together benefits Apple. (And at risk of being a little conspiratorial-sounding myself, I suspect there are other more intrusive mass surveillance tools already built and in use by other corporations and governments.)

As for that asterisk: assuming the service works the way Apple describes it, I don't think it's comparable to cell phone call metadata. You could obviously use the system to search for other known photos besides CSAM and also search photos that are local to the device, but other use cases still need to fit "this photo matches the hash of this other photo" (I'm not even sure if you can abstract "photo" to "other media file"). Photos, of course, have metadata that would be interesting to law enforcement agents, but if this does anything with that metadata then the service doesn't work the way Apple describes it -- and if we assume that Apple is starting out lying about the way the service works, then all bets are off anyway.
To be clear, I have no qualms about people being concerned. You can find my comments elsewhere on this site that I think people should scrutinize this entire thing.

I'm just very tired of people (not necessarily you) spouting off as if the functionality is new. It dilutes an otherwise important conversation. So many of the threads on this site are just people privacy LARPing.
No, that's what people are afraid will happen, not what's happening now. Apple has been very explicit in saying this only affects uploaded photos. For now.
He really explained it clearly and simply. But while I understand his answer, I don't understand the question, lol. I might not be old enough. I think the film industry has evolved incredibly because of technology, and I'm happy because of that. I'm the kind of person who goes to the cinema and sees all the movies that are out. I love it.
Ah ok, so as long as it is profitable ethics don't matter. Got it.
For £80 more you can get a Pixel 4a that runs GrapheneOS
Correlation isn't particularly useful or interesting for time series where both things are increasing.

You need to look at actual incidents: Has encryption been used to disrupt investigations of terrorism and/or sex trafficking.
You need to stop assuming everyone is commenting out of ignorance and read up on how perceptual hashing works. It’s about as far as you can get from zero false positives, if configured otherwise it becomes just a poor version of SHA or whatever and can only detect exact matches.
Actually I am seeing hints in recent lectures that the problem with American beef has to do with residual iron.
original tweets need to contained within articles like this. Timelines should be standard, before the body of the argument. Way too easy to spin a narrative for an audience hungry to believe.
> Why is that do you think?

Zoning is too local, so if I can't afford to live near my job I can't vote to allow me to live near my job.
Apple could already do this server side if they wanted to, right?
It'll be interesting to see what different remote working makes. Sure, a short commute to work is nice, but if I'm working remotely I dont have to live in this big city any more and I can now live in a smaller town with a car.
Its not easier to "date" in India. The society, especially the "traditional" families, are still not accepting of dating. As the article points out, pre-marital sex is still taboo for a large section of society. Alcohol consumption is frowned upon. You really have to be extremely careful when you hang out as a "couple".

> far too many people around for you to stick out of the crowd (you just need to be a few train/bus stops away from familiar locations).

Except that everyone seems to be extremely nosy, are part of extended clans, so it feels incredibly suffocating. You feel like you're always being watched, even if that seems silly (it happens often enough to cause concern but not 100% of the time).

In liberal/Western countries, dating is so much easier. You can meet with anyone over coffee/drinks, hang out anywhere, make out in public, whatever.
Any good videos as examples of the window partition practice?
Cities are pretty adaptable, no need to build one from scratch. Look at how Amsterdam changed, or how Paris is changing now
> Another is that it's small and fits in your head.

I know this is a common view, but I want to highlight some counterexamples:

- C programmers need to learn about many different forms of UB: https://blog.regehr.org/archives/1520. Most take years to learn these rules. Many never learn them.

- Most real world C programs use some nonstandard language extensions on some target platforms. C learners trying to read production code have to navigate these.

- The C compilation and linking model is complicated and platform dependent. Compilation is a major stumbling block for students who have to learn Make or CMake at the same time they learn C.

There is some truth to the "C is simple" idea, I'll grant that. It's obviously simpler than C++. But I think there's a big effect where we tend to forget how hard it was to learn, because we learned it so long ago. There's also been substantial progress since the 70's on designing simpler programming languages.
Reminds me of the Shaw quote:

“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”
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If you think that you can't be duped by your employer then you've already been duped.
Yeah, agree.

Almost the entire article is spun telling only one part of the story, and only towards the very end do they, at least, reveal the other side, which shows that the student published a racist cartoon, and that it was just some random person who complained to the professor. It feels misleading and deliberate that, from the start, they mention that they've seen the emails which confirm the student's account, but withhold the rest of the information (the racist image; the deregistration affair) until near the end.

I'm disappointed; I expect better from the NZZ.
Yes, and those who study it are zooarchaeologists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooarchaeology
> And giving up the ability to carry a gun in exchange for safe streets for everyone! Lunacy! /s

Almost everywhere in the world this is considered a reasonable trade-off.
...yes, and the client-side check is only run before syncing to iCloud Photos, which is basically just shifting the hash check from before upload (client side) to after upload (server side).
But nominally, you can be a political fool in Switzerland without professional consequence.[a] It seems he is being forced to play by the social rules of China in Switzerland. It's fair to say his tweets could jeopardize his ability to return to China and secure a professorship or research position, but to suffer professional consequences in Switzerland, in the heart of Europe, for Chinese political incorrectness is unprecedented.

[a] For example, in America you can post on Facebook about MAGA or tweet about BLM and you will rarely if ever lose your job or doctorate candidacy.
I don't want to dismiss Chinese influence as a threat to Western values; but we have to keep this in perspective. China is thrice the population of the US and has a comparatively sized (arguably a bit larger, arguably a bit smaller) economy.

We expect their influence to catch up with their size and be comparable with the US government. The US government has long reach and a strong grip (eg, Assange, Snowden, the general pretence that their ongoing aggressive military posture is legitimate, synchronisation of global norms for intellectual property to American interests, Hollywood, etc).
Get paid for the perspective you bring
'the other one is plain hash matching, which does not “save the children” but rather is “catch the viewer” — exclusively. This has no impact on the abuse of the CSAM subjects because it only matches publicly-known content.'

Are you claiming victims of child sexual abuse wouldn't care if images of the abuse are circulating freely and being viewed with impunity by pedophiles?
The idea of having to spend a lot of money on dates is quite a dated (lol) idea in the US. Perhaps it was true for earlier generations, or maybe it was something that was portrayed a lot in the movies or whatever. My experience has always been of meeting other people for conversation and shared activities.

Expensive dinners for first dates are actually pretty tacky and many women will consider it a red flag/try hard.
Web NFC is a thing now
i remember reading about the death of 'maker faire' - the causes of etc. - but forget the specifics.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

i have been a fan, in general, and almost joined techshop a couple diff times over the years.

i know some libraries started opening shops.

and i think techshop itself went kaput.

phoenix has a shop i prob would have at least checked out more, but covid.

https://phxforge.com/
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/01/us/condo-associations-sur...
>"A cryptographic hash + file size combo"

SHA already uses the length in the output hash. Having the explicit length is quite superfluous
Fair enough. Thx for the color.
If your definition of "hack" is "get bob to accept bad file", no, this model is not easier - it's just different.

You could literally piggyback on the directories that Macs use to sync to iCloud Drive, get an image in there, and then it gets scanned by iCloud. This is not some new theoretical attack - and in fact, this would be the "hack" for the new one as well since it requires iCloud sync to trigger anyway.
> Do you think the government was going to do it?

That we live in a time where this question will be read as rhetorical by most people (answer = "obviously not") is proof of how thoroughly we've been had by the group of people I'm muttering about. I don't know if the government was going to do it -- if the "when" in question was after ~1970, I don't think the business elite would've allowed it -- but I certainly think they could've. And why not? We funded the government to split the atom, go to the moon, defeat the Nazis, and invent the internet. If we'd wanted it like we wanted the Civil Rights Act, for instance, or like how thirstily we murdered a few hundred thousand people and spent a trillion bucks in Iraq, we'd have gotten them to at least incentivize electric car production. We can go at historical counterfactuals
til we're nauseous, but no, I don't think an Elon Musk is required at all.

> Medicaid

That's amazing! But you know this as well as I do: the people who live on billionaire's row do not want Medicaid or Medicare to even exist, and they'll go for the jugular when they think they can slip it past us. (See GWB attempting this move on Social Security.)

> I think they deserve every penny.

If they can get rich as hell in a society where everyone with a pulse can get access to the MRI's and ultrasound and not pay a penny, then take the money. Until then ...

> Regardless of how we got here

I've reread a couple of times and I think this phrase is at the root of the disagreement. I'm just unwilling to disregard how we got here. It's the faulkner thing about the past: it's not dead -- it's not even past. The good ol' boys who got us here still run the show and it's still working very well for them. The trouble is that if it turns out that solving these problems means that they have to give something meaningful up, we're fucked, because the powerful do not give up power willingly. Never have, never will. So until they're no longer running the show we will not avoid a 21st century that's poorer and bloodier than the 20th. And in the meantime they'll desperately continue to feed us the belief that the way things are is the only way they could ever be.
> (somewhat fake)

To be clear, it doesn't seem fake, just something that only happens in the rich/upper classes. Most middle class Indians will not pay for professional matchmakers, they simply rely on their extended family/social networks to find ideal suitors for their (grown up) children.
Historically, calendars came to be from observing the movement of planets and stars. Now:

> we might want to talk about which of two events came first, and by how much

Neither of which makes sense without having a common reference point (start of Gregorian calendar being one such possible reference point). Trivial example: there is exactly one day between 1582-10-04 (Julian c.) and 1582-10-15 (Gregorian c.), i.e., different reference points.

> Historians have lots of uses for dates before the introduction of the Gregorian calendar.

Yes, and I bet they're hyper-aware about the calendar system(s) they're using. The rest of our mortals can just use Gregorian calendar :)
In my opinion, that's outside the scope of a general-purpose programming language.
Play the ball, not the man.

Are any of his points worth considering on their own merits? If not, why not?
Delhi has a per capita annual income of 300,000 rupees ($4,615) - the highest in the country and three times the national average. But nearly half of the city’s population lives in slums without basic services and facilities like drinking water, garbage disposal or a proper drainage system.

And life goes on, and little change is made. Many nations are so unfortunate to live in a poor society, with not so many chances of getting better.
> Lest ye incur the wrath of dang, HN newbies, accusing others of astroturfing or hidden agendas is against the guidelines.

For people who are having trouble parsing that:

I am not an HN noob and I did not accuse anyone of astroturfing.

The opposite, on both counts.
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Yes, some shame on the advisor, department/program for folding under such threats, but let me ask this:

What was the guy seeking in posting accusatory political opinions about the Chinese government on Twitter? Attention, that's what. The thing that everyone on Twitter wants. He got it, and now is unhappy with the result. He's not totally without some responsibility here.
This still means iOS 15 is adversarial and *Apple lacks credible neutrality*.
Cool project – I saw the speed estimates on the swimmers during the live feed and was curious how they did that. Are any teams using this for performance analysis ala MoneyBall? Seems like you could get some really interesting metrics from techniques like this that would take a ton of time to collect otherwise.
The US has a lot of problems and bad behavior. Yet we can talk about it without worrying if the us govt is pressuring our employer to fire us, without worrying about the safety of family members & friends living in the us will be rounded up.

China is not that place. It's not anti-Chinese rhetoric to point our reality. China is the place where people wonder when the authorities are coming to take you to the re-education camp, hopefully not to be sterilized.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/29/magazine/uyghur-muslims-c...

https://www.theatlantic.com/the-uyghur-chronicles/

https://dailycaller.com/2020/10/09/uighur-muslim-detention-c...
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Of course it doesn't generally work that way. People use the term "free as in beer" to describe when the author gave you some additional rights over all rights reserved.

Its an analogy invented by the Free software movement to describe the difference between "freeware" vs "bsd/gpl/etc" licensed software. "Free as in beer" does not mean "proprietary/all rights reserved".

After all, the ability to sometimes be able to get beer for free isn't how property law works generally; you can't just walk into any store and demand a free beer - most beer isn't free.
Hm. Regarding the first part of your first point, I meanwhile have seen many different models, where this assumption doesn't seem to hold. May take a while, thus not so 'hot' anymore, but depending on the air currents it absolutely can happen.

Regarding the second part these would be a target if I had nukes to spare:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waihopai_Station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangimoana_Station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Cross_Cable

Because part of 'five eyes', etc.

2,3,4... Maybe, just a nice place to live, but with potential for 'big one' as in earthquake, not only in the northern part, but also along from southland up along the west coast, with fault lines reaching exactly in the regions
where the 'deserterati' tend to settle :-)

So. Much meme there. We'll see. Or not.

shrug

edit: With 'nukes to spare' I meant as someone taking the the role of the 'red scare/yello perilo' in a risk like game.
Yeah, I'm not sure. Just is a bit worrying to me.
On my device iCloud Drive synchronizes anything in my downloads folder. If images contained within zips are treated as individual images, then I'm always just one wrong click from triggering their threshold.
Not if you show the file that matches the perceptual hash that "caught" you.
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> And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now

Except of course there aren't nearly enough electric vehicles to make this a possibility, and if they did the grid capacity wouldn't be there.
Now I'm curious as to what would that pedant call a human reactor.
Framing it as user choice ignores a lot of history and politics. Long Island, for instance, became suburban largely due to Robert Moses' starvation of public transportation and his prioritization of cars. Because Long Island lacked any sort of industry of its own, most inhabitants commuted into New York City. Because Moses built massive highways without reserving any right of way for a train, most of these inhabitants drove into cities. Because they drove cars, they would naturally prioritize living in spaces where they could have a garage, i.e. a suburb. As more people drove, the trains lost revenue, ran less frequently and lost more customers. If fast trains had been built to and from Long Island, it's not unbelievable to imagine it'd have become as dense as New York.

Or take the white flight. A lot of movement to suburbs was predicated on fear of minorities and urban crime.
Yet that are often treated as such, race and ethnicity are not the same.
How many other countries would threaten visa denial against the supervisor of a student with 10 Twitter followers? I happen to think the student’s tweets expressed extreme and unfounded views, but they hardly warrant such retaliation from one of the world’s most powerful countries.
You killing yourself is not the same as someone killing the planet.

Can you not see why people care about the planet they inhabit??
Google and Apple have burned all their trust for this kind of thing. They already do terrible with all the people who get banned off their platforms with no notice of what they did wrong and no recourse. These companies cannot be trusted with the power to arrest you. They don't care if they ruin innocent lives due to edge conditions.
You're 100% correct. I had my images on iCloud because I thought Apple put my privacy first. I was being naive. I've pulled all my photos off and am looking to move the rest of my data too. My iPhone and iPad just got a lot less useful.
Completely agree with the sentiment.

But the definitions for both "production" and "application" are not so black and white. Take a super simple no-code app like a Google form survey. Some people would argue that that is not an app, others would say it is. Is it production? If I send that around to my team of 10 people, there will be no code review or QA. If I send it to 200 customers, then of course I let someone else review it.
Sure it is possible to have collisions, this is the main thing about hashes , in general collisions are rare but this are a different type of hashes and Apple is probably tweaking the parameters so the collisions are manageable.

But if the database of hashes is big and the total number of unique photos of all iPhone users is also a giant number you will find for sure collisions.
> I'd be surprised if it's more than a few times a week on average.

For me it's probably 5-7 times per day, but I also take a lot of photos.

I think a few times a week is probably low-balling it, even for an average.
FWIW in a benchmark of a lua parser my friend is writing my M1 beat my 5950X Ryzen by a factor of 2x. According to him the L1/L2 cache makes the difference.

So it's not just a matter of feel.
All in, it’s higher than the US. Not a bad as Sweden or Austria though.
Metro cities are not self sufficient, they rely on near/remote regions for resources to sustain.
Thank you for your amazing work! :)
I'm going to counter this. I feel it's still stigmatized as hell. Got to much experiences with it. (The Netherlands)
> If you can't have a fun conversation over coffee or dinner you probably arent compatible

I don't agree with this. Most people aren't comfortable opening up right away on their first interaction with someone they don't know very well. A lot of people also suffer from anxiety issues which can make it difficult for them to open up right away. Coffee/Drinks help to alleviate that somewhat as they're stimulants/social lubricants. Dinner? not so much, it just makes you full and sleepy.
As I said in another comment, in the U.S., if you’re an African American studies PhD student and you post a racist cartoon depicting black stereotypes, it’s not hard to imagine losing your doctorate candidacy.
I have to wonder how much of the city overall is used for cars -- roads, highways, and the "buffer" land surrounding them (like the land in and around a highway interchange); parking lots and their access streets; businesses dedicated to servicing cars, like gas stations...

It's probably a lot.
My Bolt lease is $75/mo.
Pedophelia and terrorism are the greatest strawmen of our time
> Western media

Your definition of "Western media" appears broad enough that it includes HN itself, as a US-based organization with US-based moderators.

As such, no matter what changes HN staff might make make, it would still be part of the Western media feeding us.

Of the 120 or so Google Translate links submitted in the last 1.5 years, only 5 appear to have a non-Western focus: 4 about China, and 1 on Japan. Many more were about Germany.

(Note: I stopped at 1.5 years because the [dead] links disappear beyond then. I am assuming they were removed from the database.)

By comparison, English language submissions from non-Western media doesn't appear to have the same high dead rate as non-English/Google Translate links.

Examples (enable showdead to verify):

The Hindu - https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=thehindu.com

Times of India - https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=indiatimes.com

Al Jazeera - https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=aljazeera.com

Korea Times - https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=koreatimes.co.kr

Korea Herald - https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=koreaherald.com

iAfrikan - https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=iafrikan.com

Therefore I don't think the issue is "links to non-Western media are flagged and killed."
Is she? I love China and if somebody pulls a stunt like that that may blow up in my face I would take action too.

Think about if you were in CS and a student of your would post some ISIS shit on the internet and you were threatened with a travel ban to the US. I think most people would think twice.
There's a whole lotta neckbeards in here worried about their CSAM collections being found.