skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Man. Sometimes English is an imprecise language. I guess the second quote I posted doesn't preclude scanning all photos. It would be a weird use of wording, but if all photos were scanned all the time, then technically that sentence would still be correct.

I'm not 100% sure if this is about the on-device portion of this. Gmail and OneDrive already use this (and have for the better part of a decade) and I haven't seen any large outcry. Also, Apple has confirmed that turning off icloud photos means this doesn't work (this is separate from iCloud backups).
>The problem that the article doesn't address

Another. Industries that are oriented towards tradeshow or holiday launches. It ain't like they're going to move NAB or Christmas just for you. Inevitable feature pruning occurs.

Having said that, I wonder how many of the great fortunes have been built on horrid, half-finished websites and associated software that were all about being first out of the gate and heavy marketing.

An interesting subcase is software that is difficult or impossible to update vs. immovable deadlines. I guess in a world that consists entirely of one silly internet surveillance marketing company after another is doesn't really matter much anymore.
Er... Just about to make a monthly 5 bucks donation, then I read this.
Ultimately no code will require "code" for a real robust production app.
That's a great word for it!
Let me get this straight- the iPhone will now scan your iCloud account and compute hashes for images. These hashes are then compared against a known database of child abuse images. When a certain threshold of "hits" is reached then steps are taken to notify authorities?

There seems to be little chance of false positives here. I keep seeing references to machine learning algos and that's not what they are doing at all. I do still lament losing yet more control though. A device that I buy should not be working for somebody else, for better or worse.

CSAM is not new and is already in widespread use. The difference here just seems to be that your device itself will sell you out.

Edit: Follow up question- They run this on images before they are uploaded to iCloud. Why has Apple chosen to do this on-device rather than just run it in iCloud? They say for privacy reasons:

'Apple’s method of detecting known CSAM is designed with user privacy in mind.'
>"As a young person, I probably will never be able to own a house"

So much for the American Dream.
> Frankly, before some of the PinePhone distro mature, this is the only really usable Linux distro based independent mobile OS.

Did you take PureOS into account ? It is the Linux OS installed on the Librem 5 phone.
https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
It turns out all problems are money problems.
They pay for running iCloud; you pay for running your phone.
Tried out bubble recently, and I am more pro nocode than most I would say, but it wasn't for me. Learning curve too high for inferior results imo
Google: 'Sharing is caring'. Thanks for sharing all of this with us Apple Inc! [0]

Amazon: Don't forget us too! [0]

To Downvoters: Are you telling me that this is false? Even worse for the Gmail users. [1] I guess the outrage was already overdue with these tech giants.

[0] https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/06/29/apple-is-now-goog...

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2014/8/5/5970141/how-google-scans-y...
What’s the difference between having a little bit more money and making a little bit more money? My guess is it’s how it is spent.
> If I similarly draw other crimes being committed, the same does not apply. Why is that?

The answer is much more simple than you seem to think it is. Because the law doesn't say it is. I can only go by the law in my country, which is that (loosely translated) 'ownership of any image of someone looking like a minor in a sexually suggestive position' is a crime. Since a drawing is an image, it's a crime. Having an image of someone breaking into a home is not a crime according to law in my country. That's why you can have a drawing of that.

Your question is like asking "why don't I get a fine for driving 60 on the highway, but I do get a fine for driving 60 through a school zone?" Well, because one is allowed and the other isn't.
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Nice. Well, Apple had me consider a switch from Pixel phones when they prioritized privacy over Facebook. Since I don't want anyone scanning and deeming my pictures "acceptable" I just stick with Google. And they were that close to become an acceptable big tech co regarding user privacy...
> No, it's not "literally just spelling"

Yes, it is. You don't even try to pretend otherwise, the format isn't delivering new semantics here. The existence of the extra formats that caused Datatypes to be created is an artefact of history, like TIFF, and best left there.

> It is additional manual steps vs. having the computer do things for us.

"Having the computer do it" for every format in every program incurs an unending maintenance and security burden for all systems across all time, whereas lift-and-shift averts that.

> You keep arguing for inconveniencing users and developers

You have chosen to inflict misery on yourself, I don't have any part in that.

> It makes absolutely no sense.

And yet I suppose that today you will continue as before, blaming others for things you choose, and perhaps lamenting that whichever bunch of crooks currently own "Amiga" aren't shovelling more money into the pit.
No, that "feature" isn't based on hashes from the CSAM database. It's instead based on a machine learning model trained on the CSAM database which allows them to identify arbitrary images of underage nudity. These are independent from each other.
Does orbital use spatial audio or 3d audio?
> Since I don't want anyone scanning and deeming my pictures "acceptable" I just stick with Google.

Don't Google already do this for images you store in their cloud?
The american dream died a long time ago.
It checks images against an on-device database of known CSAM, your photos should be fine.
Selfies are suddenly going to be used as surveillance tools by the govt, or maybe a bad actor at Apple wants to find/track down their ex.

This system has so much potential for abuse with very little upside.
I believe millions more nudes are sent via snap/watsap/etcetc every day then are sent in the mail in a year..
with "extremely low false negative rate" - if that means there are a bunch of geeks and agents staring at your wife/gf.. your daughter/ etc.. is that okay?
Some people will say yes - but I don't think those people should get to decide that all the other people in the world have to hand over all the nudes and dick pics everyone else has taken.

when they open mail with drugs and weapons it's most likely not a sculpture of your wife's genitals / daughter's tits, pics of your hemorrhoids / erectile implant - whatever other private pic stuff that no one else should be peering at.

If they were opening and reading every written word sent and received - I can guarantee you people would be up in arms about it.
The exact point is that we don't know, but if we're going to discuss who's got good takes and who doesn't, I want that to be an informed debate between informed people looking for constructive arguments based on data, not internet randos.
People on probation have to be this careful. Why shouldn't companies on probation?
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> Yes. It completely misrepresents the actual complexity of the problem. Instead of discussing effective solutions like political activity the climate change debate gets dumbed down to reusable cotton bags and paper straws.

I've encountered this sentiment many times here. It's a bit baffling to me, to be honest. Yes, we all know that personal actions are small compared to massive structural changes. But why exactly do you think that it's one or the other? I'd wager that the majority of politically active people trying to change things at a high level are also changing smaller things in their day-to-day life, because it's an issue that they are passionate about.

In my opinion, the attitude that you promote ("why do the little actions when only the big ones matter") is more likely to cause inaction, and the people I've met who espouse that viewpoint say a lot and do nothing at all.
I often see engineers having a cynical self defeating view of the business. They will blindly follow complex requirements while complaining that there is not much they can do about it.

But if you demonstrate that you understand things from the business perspective, they are much more receptive to making adjustments.

Product managers like to gold plate things as much as engineers. There is usually some fat you can trim from the scope to make a deadline.
I think aiming to understand the „how and why“, at least a few levels deeper than directly obvious is what helped me in a debugging and fixing a lot of things. Having a deeper understanding of your tools, your environment and the problem at hand helps me a lot. When a library you use does something unexpected, or is missing documentation, dig in, read that code, debug it. Understand the details of your programming language of choice, not just the basics.

It takes time and requires a certain level of curiosity, but, at least for me, I think it pays off.
Is this "winter is coming", "the end is near" tone helpful? I'm not necessarily saying it's outright false, but look, there've been past times where the end truly felt near, but we managed to overcome it... Again, we might not this time, but why should we bet against us? Does anyone want to be the lone survivor in the post-apocalypse? Sorry if overreacting.
Carpets should be illegal.
so is this a “no”?
Out of curiosity, is there any consensus on what parts of the world might be underwater or a desert once this plays out?

I'm not a climate scientist, but I'm curious after these comments if there is some way to know what changes will happen where. I know there are some obvious assumptions like coastal areas are likely to be underwater, but how can we know if e.g., South Dakota will be a frozen tundra or desert?

Apologies if that is a dumb questions. I am not knowledgeable on this subject.
Personally, I write software that I consider extremely high-quality. The folks that use it, seem to agree. It isn't eye-candy fancy, but it works very well, in a not-in-your-face manner.

The idea is that it does what it says on the tin, without fanfare, robustly, usably, accessibly, localizably, and dependably; providing a user experience that gets out of the way of the user, in a manner that does not surprise the user (even "good" surprises can be an issue. Boring software can be just what the doctor ordered).

In my book, that's the definition of "quality."

I'm working on an application that has been over a year in the making. Its functionality is something that I could have popped out in a month, but making sure of the Quality of the app has necessitated that I spend a great deal more time, "polishing the fenders."

If this were a commercial app (it isn't), then it would have been unbearably expensive for a startup.

I tend to write test harnesses in a day or two, that have similar levels of functionality to this application.

High Quality is significantly more expensive than even "decent, but lesser" quality.
This was still a problem when they were doing it server side. Especially since it was implemented stealthily.
The Promise and Peril of Crowdsourced Intelligence
> Here in France, i don't know of any evidence that patriarchal control is stricter/stronger in muslims than in atheists/jews/christians/hindus/etc

It seems obvious to me that there's an association there. For example, compulsory hijabs only exist in muslim countries.

> muslim expressions of patriarchy are more scrutinized/opposed

Maybe in France, towards French muslims. I don't think that the muslim world cares at all what western countries have to say on the topic, though.
I imagine it also relates to things that really "proxies", but not normally thought of as such. Like PHP-FPM, wsgi, etc. Those are also doing protocol and header translation, and are very ubiquitous.
> If I take a picture of a tree, how likely is it that a few pixels are going to line up just right in a hashing algorithm and say it might be child porn?

p = 1.0.

(This is a sports in the machine learning community: https://openai.com/blog/adversarial-example-research/ .)
It's mentioned and linked in the article. And "[i]t’s made by the same people that maintain Postgres.app."
> What about people with young children?

It's not matching an AI's interpretation of "is this a naked child?" though - it's specifically only matching perceptual hashes against a known database of CSAM percpetual hashes provided by NCMEC which will then be manually reviewed if there's more than a threshold of matches.
That's pretty much the theory of a lot of people on this. On-device CSAM scanning as a trade-off for making iCloud backups, photos etc. e2e encrypted.
Exactly, I think it is obvious that even Chinese officials doesn't believe in this scenario, like the US officials does not believe in Wuhan leak story. It is just a psychological war! But I read somewhere from Edmund Burke saying if I was in a ship and everybody is on one side, for the sake of the safety of the ship, I'll go to the other side.
>save your life

How do you know he wasn't already infected and thus has natural immunity? So how is this saving her or his life?

Why aren't we testing for those who actually need this vaccine or not (because antibody tests don't work very well and no one wants to improve that metric because thats not where the money is)
13^64 different boards (64 bits where each bit can have 13 possible states), it's still less than the 2^256 different SHA256 hashes, but it's better than the 2^160 possibilities of SHA1.

Add a second board and you go up to 13^128 which is a LOT more than SHA256 :)

While quite inefficient to generate a hash, we would have far less collisions and a visual rendering of the hash (the QR code of hashes!).

Fun read!
it was always a subsidized by the suffering of other people
This is basically what “communism” is. And I do think communism is the only answer for a world facing a lifetime of declining resources and productivity. Capitalism is great for a world based in perpetual growth but under long-term deflationary pressure it will deliver a worse quality of life and be more oppressive than a more collective form of government (and it must be violently oppressive to keep the mass of starving people from threatening the meager profits that will remain).

You’re already seeing this in the younger millennials and Gen Z. We’re smart enough to see what’s coming and more of us are radicalizing every day.
I am not aware of any association between prepping and being politically “right”.
> it does lead to "crafty consumers" using the unit price as their highest priority criteria for selecting products, and disregarding factors like quality and nutrition.

That will happen no matter what. If you are poor you pay attention to price of the things you buy more then quality.

I know it from practice, only when you have some financial stability you can educate yourself to pick the best product and not just kg/$.

> This leads to way too many products in the ultra low price segment, and a hard time for makers of higher quality products.

I don't think there is any kind of competition between quality product vs cheap products. Be it food or tools or etc. Both cater to different segment. Its like saying that if ford or fiat slash their prices by half, mercedes will loose some of the customers.

Poorer people don't have much choice but to settle for cheaper options. When you have more money you will not buy processed food etc even though its cheap then quality unprocessed food because its hidden cost of health damage is too high.
You must be a fast learner. After one year of learning a new language, I personally would not feel comfortable speaking it well enough to use as examples for others.
There are no CSAM laws that require this sort of privacy violation, and it would be a gross overstep by any government to mandate it.

If they enabled E2EE iCloud after this it'd be just for marketing purposes, because client-side encryption is being circumvented it would render the whole promise of privacy as a lie.
I know the privacy approach Apple has been pushing was just marketing, but I didn't care too much because I enjoyed my iPhone and M1 macbook.

Because of this decision (and the fact that my iPhone more-or-less facilitates poor habits throughout my life), I'm considering moving completely out of the Apple ecosystem.

Does anyone have any recommendations for replacements?

* On laptops: I have an X1 carbon extreme running linux, but it's entirely impratical to take outside of the house: it has terrible battery life and runs quite hot. I also cannot stand its trackpad. Is there any linux-capable device with an okay trackpad?

* On phones: are there any capable phones out there that aren't privacy nightmares? All I want is a phone with a long lasting battery that I can use with maps, a web browser, and texting.

* On cloud: I've considered executing on a NAS forever, but I'm unsure where to start.
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When I was in the VFX world we had fixed, hard deadlines. Once the release date is printed on a movie poster it's not changing. Some parts of the process were easy to estimate since they'd been done many times before, but on every film there were some experimental new things. Often they would just end up with 2 or 3 different teams working on the same problem. One with a known technique, and one or two trying something new. Then if the new stuff didn't work or was taking too long, you could always fall back to the old way. Which wouldn't look as good or achieve the effect you wanted, but :shrug:. There was always the chance that you'd work sometimes for years though and your work would get dropped which was never that fun for the artists involved. Most development teams don't have the resources to have an A and B team working on the same problem but it's a way to contain risk.

The studios use release dates as deadlines basically to contain costs. Otherwise some directors will just keep working on a movie forever (or keep going back to it like George Lucas). Some movies, especially with VFX, are never really done, they just get to the deadline and finish with what they have at that point.
Well, it's semi-relevant, isn't it? Because it's only scanning photos that are being uploaded to iCloud Photos - they've just moved the scanning portion down one level.

If your photos never go to iCloud, they won't be scanned.
Fixed further:
Chinese Government: Here is the NeuralHash for some child abuse imagery, please scan this user's phone and tell us if it's found.

Apple: Sure we found it.

Chinese Government to some western company/instititution: We have detected unacceptable behavior from your employee/student/client/vendor. Please cancel them, or we will stop funding you.
Think of all those leakers or hackers who just happened to always have kiddie porn on their devices. Somehow. This has been the default state of things.
My intuition is on the money vs happiness curve, the first derivative is always positive unless “your spending it wrong”. The second derivative might be positive for lower values of money but probably has negative values that might highlight a diminishing returns effect.

I should have qualified in my parent post that it assumes all else being equal.
Has never happened != will never happen.
https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/

A stark change since Apple/FBI.
> If it needs any kind of connectivity or it comes as a service - no way in hell I'm exposing my family to the risk of not being able to flush a toilet one day because of a tweet or god know what.

That sounds like the plot to a Black Mirror episode
I think a good balance between usability and privacy is to use LineageOS with MicroG (an open implementation of GApps APIs) or something like Sailfish OS.
Free for 14 days /s

Why not try re-submitting your post/project as "Archive your website for 14 days - free of charge.”

Also, only 10x sites and each site is limited to 10x pages that would probably disappear the moment the money runs out or you decide to pull the plug on it vs the Internet Archive offering. Seriously?

Also, in what way(s) is your* project better than the Wayback Machine as stated in your previous submission? The Site FAQ fails to answer that.

I seriously feel that perhaps I am being a bit too harsh here but if something hasn’t gained traction even after submitting it 6x times has got to tell you something.

(*I'm guessing that since you have submitted this same site six times already that it is your project but please correct me if I'm wrong).
They say you play ball or lose access to the US banking system, which is pretty much a death sentence.
Isn't this very very silly? You just need to change one pixel and the hash will be different.
What's really sad is that there's no need for any smart home concept to result in a loss of privacy. However people are cheap, and its difficult to impossible for somebody selling a self-hosting smart home appliance that you just plug in to your wall to outcompete somebody who is practically giving away the hardware to make the money on your data or on subscriptions over time.
The collapse just means that European winters will be like Canadian winters. Europeans in Canada survive and thrive. So all you need to do is embrace winter sports and buy a winter jacket capable of keeping you warm at -40. They exist, it's no big deal.

Food prices will likely go up, but that won't really affect Europeans, just the global poor. They're always the ones that get screwed.

Edit: and of course the ecology is screwed too. Humans can use technology like coats and furnaces to adapt immediately, animals and plants need thousands of years to adapt.
Probably not. As a Minnesotan, I'd consider a country like Norway, but I fear that a good chunk of the coastal cities will eventually be underwater anyway.
That might conceivably explain the "khazi" spelling but its meaning is unrelated and in any case it isn't the derivation of the word "carsey". See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polari
A strong belief of mine is: the technology should never betray its owner. Regardless who the owner is, regardless if they are benevolent, regardless of their wishes or background.
Inferior results to what exactly? Interested to know about alternatives you've used
The detection of sexual images in kids’ messages doesn’t use the same hashing setup as the iCloud Photos detection feature.
So wait, I have pictures of my baby son’s poop to send the pediatrician — which show what will eventually be his naughty bits, as he becomes sexual (in due time, years from now)

I actually don’t have many nudeish pics of him because it’s very cold right now, but we take dozens and dozens of daily pictures so — but in the summer… when maybe he’s going to the kiddie pool grandpa has…
"See what Apple is doing is basically vaccinating your iPhone against child porn. That's bad because there's the possibility of side effects, though rare, and you should have the decision yourself as to whether you vaccinate your phone."

Wait, no, that's not the argument ...