skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Something I didn't think of earlier is function trains, which annoyingly won't make much sense without knowing some APL - they're a pattern which takes more effort to explain than they take to start using. But still, simple APL expressions run right to left so the example below pushes 3 into ⊢ which echoes it unchanged, that goes into + which is a no-op here on a positive integer, and then the 3 goes into ⍳ which makes the first 3 numbers:

⍳+⊢ 3 ⍝ the first 3 numbers
1 2 3

it behaves differently from the same thing in parens shown below, which triggers a function train pattern and slightly breaks the right-to-left execution by making the data able to feed into two functions, not just one. In the below code the 3 is pushed into ⊢ on the right which echoes it unchanged but it also jumps over and is pushed into ⍳ on the left to make the first three numbers 1 2 3, and these two results become (1 2 3 + 3) and the whole thing makes 4 5 6:

(⍳+⊢) 3 ⍝ 3 plus the first 3 numbers

4 5 6

It's not the parens which make the difference, assigning it to a variable to make a named function also does it:

f ← ⍳+⊢
f 3
4 5 6

Point being, there's something semantically meaningful happening but it has no symbol to turn into words. It's not the proximity of the functions being bunched together even, it's roughly an odd number of functions separated from their argument(s) but with some edge cases. The text editor would have to be parsing APL to detect it, and I don't know how it would describe what's happening in useful words. "iota plus self_right" might still let you recognise three things together, but does "enclose bind grade_up index self_right" look like a function train? Does "It's easier to spot the pattern with symbols, it's easier to have the pattern exist at all in a symbols based language.

When the Dyalog IDE can show you:

+,-,×,÷

┌─┼───┐
+ , ┌─┼───┐
- , ┌─┼─┐
× , ÷

to explain how the train is being interpreted, what does the text version of that say?
> Apple's mistake is that they seemingly believe there is pushback because people misunderstand how it works.

They don't believe this. The lack of understanding trick is often used by governments and corporations because it robs the opposite party the choice to oppose, as opposition is framed as lack of understanding instead of a political choice. It's a semi-elaborate way of calling idiots people who disagree. This is why governments "educate" on topics they don't people to oppose.
That's a great feature. I'm constantly impressed by what Zig can do.
This guy doesn't understand how the Apple PSI system is actually going to work. Why is this being voted up?
You're pulling that quote out as if the article is asserting the obvious answer to that question is yes, but the article's entire thesis is "the slippery-slope argument is a legitimate concern" (that's in quotes because, well, it's literally a quote). Literally the next sentence after the one you quoted:

> If they don’t, and these features creep into surveillance for things like political dissent, copyright infringement, LGBT imagery, or adult pornography — anything at all beyond irrefutable CSAM — it’ll prove disastrous to Apple’s reputation for privacy protection.
The Array Language podcast which started a couple of months ago and was featured on HN has helped.
The slippery slope argument isn't even really a logical fallacy. In fact, I can think of a number of circumstances where it turned out to be true.

edit: here's an example of the slippery slope "fallacy" in action

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist."
All good points! However one thing EVs have is much cheaper maintenance! Having no oil changes adds up in savings.
Do you find yourself taking more breaks in your current vehicle?
And we know how this has went in the past: wooops, our system has made a mistake and ruined your like, we apologize and won't do it again. No consequences and they'll do it again.
Ambiguous retorts like this make you sound intelligent but offer little to the discussion. If the adversary is the USA or China, I have bad news for you: every major democracy has planned encryption regulation which is unimaginably worse than what was announced here.
Bellyaching is an oddly dismissive term.

"The system" is what had workers move a dead co-worker and then "put in another co-worker to keep the line going” at a Frito-Lay plant.[0]

Yeah, I'm bellyaching.

[0] https://www.cjonline.com/story/opinion/2021/07/02/frito-lay-...
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I don’t think the activists have any impact on demand.
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Or just pass all of the revenues back to the people with a straight refund equal to (tax collected)/(number of people)
> Apple's mistake is that they seemingly believe there is pushback because people misunderstand how it works.

I've read too many contentious-change memos to believe it's a mistake. These things are authored by committee with Legal always present, and everything is written expecting it to leak. It's just a passive way to manufacture consent by convincing at least some segment of people to doubt their own thought processes. I'd call it "gaslighting" if that word wasn't already massively misused. See also: iPhone 4 owners who were "holding it wrong".
Does it scan files within archives?

If it does, you could download the wrong zip and instantaneously be over their threshold.
YouTube presented a video on one of the coldest cities - Yakutsk in Eastern Russia. Cars stay running all the time to stop them freezing, bare skin gets frostbitten in ~15 minutes, market traders keep meat in the open air because it's frozen solid. One native in this video says -40C doesn't register as cold, she doesn't feel cold until -52C, and she wouldn't want to leave. 300,000 people live there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz4ZMLsPzqM
in canada, all governmental power belongs to the federal government. provinces only have authority when it is granted to them by the federal government. there is no such thing as the feds encroaching on "state powers" because provinces are not states.
Twitter is also launching an API for spaces soon! It's what I'm working on. This is one of my coworker's accounts with some info about it. https://twitter.com/i_am_daniele/status/1421184317640880132

He also hosts a space with other developers to discuss it each week. I usually listen in as well.
Still out of context - they are replies to things you wrote. You have left out your side of the conversation for some reason. How does that help?

Did you know they can still be seen exactly as I wrote them in the thread, where anyone can make sense of them, and see what I was replying to?

Remind us what this copy and paste behavior is meant to prove?
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Well, that long, favorable article in the Neue Zürcher Zeitung ought to help. That's a well respected newspaper. Published since 1780.
I’m pretty sure lots of mail gets x-rayed, perhaps even more looking for malicious packages or substances.

I agree that data content scanning is more invasive than physical scanning. It was an intentionally simplistic example not meant to defend Apple.
No-one was suggesting that China was behind this move.

We're talking about China taking advantage of this integrated technology to increase control over its population through backdoors like these.

China already imposes that all data from Chinese users be located in China and readily accessible and mined by the authorities[1].

Apple is willing to bow to these regimes because it has substantial supply-chain interests there and it sells hundred of millions of devices. A boon to both Apple and the local government.

[1]:https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-ce...
I truly appreciate the insight you gave on zoning, housing, and healthcare. But I feel we are talking past each other, and you are attacking a strawman. I never implied UBI would be a catch all solution to the problem of homelessness. You are attacking the people who treat it as such when I said explicitly it is only one of several remedies.

I simply meant 1) it seems like a good solution for replacing food stamps, and it seems like you dropped this point entirely. I also think 2) it can be helpful in a wider sense. It is certainly easier to give people basic income checks than to rearchitect the entirety of American society away from cars, employer-based healthcare, and suburbia. While I agree with you that we perhaps should be on this more effective path, such a radical reorganization would take decades and massive political will that just isn’t there yet. Not even the New Deal, Great Society, or Eisenhower highway programs reached anything near this scope. UBI is something that has already had a test shot, and the data shows it has had a huge effect in reducing poverty during the pandemic. Unless I’m missing something big, it seems like a good way to start.
Atari ST and Amiga mice, too. However, the USB to Amiga/Atari mouse adapters available on eBay and elsewhere are made for the opposite use case, connecting a modern USB (or, in some cases, PS/2) mouse to an original Atari ST or Amiga.
> This comment was based not on imagination but an article on BBC

Assuming that a BBC article is describing HN is already imagination. If you think it applies to HN, I want to see specific links. Tip: look at the account histories first. Mostly it takes just a few seconds to see that $suspected-spy has been posting to HN for years about everything from Hyperloop to Rust to PyPy. I think the odds that such a user was planted as a Chinese agent in 2015 or whatever are similar to Russell's teacup orbiting the moon.

> It couldn't happen here, I hear you say

No, I'm saying that when commenters have posted such insinuations here, close study of the data has consistently shown them to be nothing more than cheap internet pontification, a.k.a. bullshit. The more flamboyant and grandiose the claims, the more fantasy-driven they prove to be. People come up with this stuff purely because they want to believe it, and will literally read anything into anything.

The problem is that such insinuations are not cost-free. They add noise, poison community, and in several cases have turned into mobs that have hounded people off HN. Hence the rule that you can't do it unless you have actual evidence. If anyone comes up with actual evidence—literally any whatsoever—we'll take it seriously and look closely into it. But someone else having an opposing view on $hot-topic doesn't count as evidence.

I know I'm sounding "flamboyant and grandiose" myself, which is not optimal, but it would take a robot not to lose patience after looking at as much of this data that I have. The truth, as far as I've been able to determine it after tons of effort, is that you guys really don't know what you're talking about. Sorry for being blunt. Here's a longer explanation from when I was in a better mood: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27398725.
The database ships with iOS. Apple can do anything they want in iOS updates. In fact, this was exactly the “back door” the FBI requested Apple use half a decade ago. Per this standard, all Apple end to end products are already backdoored, and nothing new was announced.
I do worry this is basically automating and scaling up the whole "idiot working at the mall photo development booth turns family in for child porn because they took pictures of 3 year old in bath" story that shows up every now and then.
But these standards assume that the proximity of records' creation time is somehow useful for sorting them. Why? If I'm doing data entry of magazine-subscription cards (because apparently it's 1985), Mr. Warren Zelkirk might have sent his card in before Anne Ackerman. How does sorting by record-creation time help me here?

Keys are useful for distinguishing records unambiguously. You typically SORT records by other columns.
"to get enough people vaccinated that we no longer have to worry about passing the disease on."

Where did you get that idea?
I was told the vaccine is non-sterilizing, so vaccinated people can pass it on. The vaccines are touted to reduce symptoms and hospital stays, not stop the spread.

The virus is in the cat population, so cats will pass it on until approximately forever.
Also in contrast to zepto, here are words from Edward Snowden: No matter how well-intentioned,
@Apple
is rolling out mass surveillance to the entire world with this. Make no mistake: if they can scan for kiddie porn today, they can scan for anything tomorrow.

They turned a trillion dollars of devices into iNarcs—without asking.
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> I don’t know why NCMEC is excited since stopping the viewer does not stop the abuse, this does not affect them.

They get to keep their jobs :)
The supervisor is a coward and should be known as one.
Somewhat of a personal understanding, settling down later in life is one of the key problems today. In early 20s you are flexible, by later 20s you gonna earn your own skin and ways of life. It becomes harder to gel up with someone else.
In case you are luck, make it work early or as they say keep looking.
Like what? If the sort order has any significance, it's only ONE significance, is it not?
More have been shut down than that.[1] They're a combination of a propaganda operation and a surveillance system for Chinese students in the US.

[1] https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/how_many_confucius_institu...
Chinese studies student critical of government "received" a fellowship from chinese government, met "girlfriend" in Wuhan.

Girlfriend is a plant by Chinese government. Open your eyes.

And on top of this, this comment is downvoted.
I means part/most of the animal's tail has been removed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docking_(dog)
Are you familiar with the „paradox of tolerance“ already? You can read about it here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

First paragraph copied for your convenience:

„The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly paradoxical idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance.“
> no one will cover for him

Look at https://stallmansupport.org/#intro

There are many people covering for him, including a lot of prominent women.
Exactly. The people who dominate a law and order based society are a totally different set of people from those who dominate a Hobbesian “state of nature.”
It's a serious issue. One party speaks with on voice, everyone else thousands of voices, and not even a single world leader other than maybe the US President can get away with saying something.

There needs to be more concerted effort.
Interesting! I actually bought & assembled a PS/2 to Amiga adapter a while back, so I could plug one of my many 3-button Logitech mice into an Amiga.

In my experience, the majority of old mice were not very good, so it's not surprising that most adapters go in the opposite direction (new mouse into old computer).
Welcome to Platform Capitalism.

I wonder how 3x startup founder got into such a vendor lock, having no backup plan in case when a vendor cancels.
Quote: "It was funny because I was removing these applications to stop sharing my personal data"

and goes later to

Quote: "Here is the list of apps that I deleted from my phone.

com.android.chrome

Alternative: Microsoft Edge"

Really? How about Firefox instead!!? I mean if you really want to stop sharing your personal data why you'd go to the other evil dude across the street, huh?
I'm not asking for official support from the app developer, just knowledge that they "happen to" work on an alternative Android-based OS. Which they should, if all the APIs they depend on are there (including the Play Services ones, via microG or whatever). If they specifically look for "non-blessed" Android variants and deliberately fail to work, that's a shame, but if it's an app I need, that rules out that OS for me, unfortunately. That's just the reality of the situation.
I’m interested in what you mean by car-dependent neighborhood?

From what I’ve seen it has little to do with accommodations for vehicles at the residence level and more to do with the proximity of interesting places to walk to. It does help if these ‘interesting places’ don’t have much parking accommodation.
If the fingerprints between an actual CSAM photo and a cropped/resized/grey-scaled version can match, it implies that the fingerprint is essentially composed of smaller fingerprints of tiny squares within a picture, as well as of fingerprints of the entire image in both its original as well as grey-scale form. It probably will also need to allow for rotation.

With all of these possibilities allowed, either the matching technology will miss most slightly-deformed matching images (criminals will quickly find effective minimal distortions), to avoid too many false positives, or will end up matching too many of people’s personal images that consist of their young kids in a state of undress (whose parents don’t have a picture or 2 of them in such a state from their childhood?).

So, either this technology is ineffective and not worth the potential misuse, or it is a grave threat to privacy.
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And HN's mistake is thinking any of this will matter. Apple only cares about money, always has, always will. And I'm willing to bet they are going to continue beating their revenue and profit record quarter after quarter. When their actions do not affect the one thing they care about, why should they care what anyone says?
the CSAM part is not opt-in.

technically you could not update to ios 15 or disable icloud, but it's not opt-in by any means.
The stimulus checks aren't actually a test of UBI. A global pandemic isn't business as usual by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm all for doing more for families with dependent children. You didn't ask me about that. You asked me why I think UBI doesn't work. I answered that.

My reply is not argumentative at all. It's just a reply to a question I was asked. That's all it is.
So the only thing to do is keep emissions as low as possible. The likelihood of this extremely high-impact event happening increases with every gram of CO2 that we put into the atmosphere.
You're underselling it a little. NZZ is the German-language Swiss newspaper of record, the NYT of Switzerland.
I was planning to switch to iPhone this year. I no longer am. I do not want any device that would turn me in to police. For any reason. That is just not okay. To start with, because software has bugs. To end with, because principles matter.
"The more we treat it now the less it'll cost us later."

This is a good economic talking point. Is there a reference for your claim, or did you make it up?
I don't think the suggestion is that a hash of a police uniform will be used to convict of CP but rather the idea that a new law will be passed that - in order to protect the police from 'harassment' - will outlaw taking pictures of the police.

So in that case in discovery the picture of a police officer would be evidence that you broke that hypothetical law. The technology deployed to protect the children opens up the possibility of its deployment for other things later, based on legal requirements of course.

For example don't take pictures of copyrighted material would be something people might want to work on.
Seems pretty clear from this photo[0] it spread to a second pack that was in close proximity. A quote from the media release is "They found a 13-tonne lithium battery inside a shipping container was fully involved" which would exclude the possibility that it was a single pack within the container. This is also shown in the photos.

[0]https://news.cfa.vic.gov.au/Images/UserUploadedImages/301/10...
People say this until you explain the details. Sure they want walkability, but density? "I don't want to live in some awful human hive". Parking? "why would I go anywhere where I have to pay for parking?"

Walkability flows from density, And NIMBYism has killed that.
or do both. Planes can fly in rain since cloud seeding is so unpredictable and spotty :)
VSCode is very good. I could write something about Lisp being homoiconic, also I don't know the VSCode equivalent of "advise", macros rewriting core functions of the editor, but I'll let someone else make that case, if they feel like it.
Yikes—that's extremely weird! On what grounds did they do that?

It looks like there's an email address in your profile now, so I'll try sending a repost invite that way.
Unfortunalty if our experience from the past with such events teaches us anything, it's that a minority of us will stop using apple products (or keep not doing it) but the rest of the world will quickly forget and carry on as usual.

Worse, if your decision to not use an iphone makes others people life slightly anoying for 2 seconds a week, many will bash on you.

As a FOSS user with no FB nor whatsapp account that ask to avoid photos to be taken of him with smartphones, I can tell you I pay regularly the price the price for what I think is doing the right thing. It's just easier to let the abuse go on.

And we have other fights in life. I didnt pick up smoking (pot of cigarets), stopped drinking alcohol, became vegetarian. They all come with social challenges. Add then you have your familly, job, health and goals that needs your care, attention and time.

At some point you just want to say "screw them", create your own bubble of freedom and let them enjoy their distopia. Except we kind of live in it, don't we?

I'm usually an upbeat person but these types of event arrive in a never ending stream, and today I feel tired.
Apple let Facebook (WhatsApp) grab the high ground on privacy?!

That's funny, in a boggling at a blunder of the powerful kind of way.

It's also sad, if we're reduced to watching a handful of organizations battle over who's the most privacy-respecting, relatively speaking, when their standards are so low.
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No-no-no. It's not your phone. If it was your phone - you would have a root access to it. It's their phone. And it's their photos. They just don't like when there's something illegal on their photos, so they will scan it, just in case.
> as long as it's strictly for CSAM check purposes

And that's precisely the leaky part of this setup. Nothing about this system's design prevents that from changing on a mere whim or government request.

Next year they could be adding new back-end checks against political dissident activity, Uyghur Muslims, ... and we'd be none the wiser.
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> They should know this has huge security implications.

I've missed where this has security implications. Did you mean privacy implications?
It is a logical fallacy in that the consequences do not logically follow from the proposition. However that doesn’t say anything about whether they are likely to follow in practice, only that there is no logical proof that they follow.

In this case, the arguments against this mechanism are generatly slippery slope arguments - logic doesn’t guarantee the bad outcomes. However it’s quite reasonable to be concerned that the bad outcomes will happen because of the actors involved.
iOS 15 is adversarial and Apple lacks credible neutrality.
I think there's an implicit, often unspoken list of C shortcomings wherever these replacement languages are concerned. Some of the most obvious ones are: Macro hell, transitive include hell, and the ease with which even experienced developers can unwittingly create unsafe code.
Yeha, TBsync is a plugin. That's what I am talking about, it should be part of Thunderbird. Evolution and Kmail both include this by default.
Right?

I really enjoyed the clarity. Helped me understand what was going on without trying to inject a final conclusion for me.
You're overselling NYT I think. It's still one of the reputable sources of USA but I have some reservations.