skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Why does the elimination have to be 100% and the privacy erosion be 0 for it to be worthwhile?

To be clear I'm not saying that Apple are right to do this or that there aren't privacy concerns. What I am saying is that those thresholds seem unreasonable.
If they are using this to introduce something closer to end-to-end encryption then it seems like a clear win for users.

Today photos are not end-to-end encrypted, there is nothing preventing Apple from decrypting your photos if they want (or if they are asked by law enforcement). If a part of this implementation is to make it so only the user keys OR the CSAM keys in the case of a match are able to decrypt the photos then that is a clear step in the right direction over the current system. It's not real end-to-end encryption, but it still prevents Apple from just decrypting your photos without probable cause of a very specific crime.

If that is the case they should have made it a lot clearer in the initial announcement though.
The compiler may inline it, but my brain can’t.
And I also invite everyone to contribute to OSM through StreetComplete, it's quite intuitive and it adds something to look for when taking a walk.
By that logic, how do you know it hasn’t already gone there, years ago?

And this scan is currently happening on the server. They’re just making it so that the scan will now happen at the time of upload as opposed to N seconds later.
I went to Disney World recently. We went to Disney Animal Kingdom, and the Asian section was beautiful, you really almost felt like you were in Nepal...except the lack of incense made it obvious it was all fake. Same goes with Epcot, visually everything clicks, but the smells are all missing.
I've taken multiple long trips in my Toyota Prius, and never once had to pee in the bushes. 600 mile range on a single fill-up, but after driving for a few hours I'm usually ready for a 5 minute break.

I totally get how cool EVs are, and how much fun they can be to drive. And if you're spending 90+% of your time just commuting to work, it can potentially save you money on gas.

But I would definitely not subject myself to long road trips with EVs at this point in history. One out-of-service charging station along the way can ruin your whole week.
What information leaks from the system? That a user isn't storing child porn on Apple servers? That's literally the only information emitted by the system _unless_ you have actual child porn on your system.
Try Alaska in the summer. They have mosquitos the size of small birds there. Crazy.
I have to imagine that you’ll be investigated and can let Apple rehash your photos and find the ones that tripped the system. If Apple rehashes all your photos and suddenly none of them are tripping, and they accuse you of deleting the bad ones (assuming you haven’t deleted anything) the problem isn’t the hash algo, it’s something else in the system.

That said, I don’t like my phone being a snitch.
Not even an app store that distributes only open-source software (eg F-Droid)? Considering the reputation for scams and malware on 1st party app stores I could never understand this perspective.
That part at the end about the definition of "broker" almost seems like a throw-away - it's not.

Without careful and correct definition, such a bill would actually cripple greener, mining free alternatives, by misrepresenting validators as brokers.

If you think that doesn't matter, I'd remind you that BTC is using the same energy as Argentina. It seems to me that "accidentally" crushing competitors that can power their network with a windmill seems like a bad idea.
Anti-Semitic Merchandise Persists on Pinterest, Despite Restrictions
The proverbial straw was a blog post (which notably was not anonymous) that summarized decades of objectionable behavior, triggered by some messages RMS sent to a 6000 person workplace email list which downplayed rape allegations against a man accused of sexually assaulting an under-aged trafficked sex slave
> Genuinely baffled why anyone buys anything but a Tesla.

Price, practicality, exterior styling, interior styling. All the usual reasons.

> has a vastly better charging network, charges vastly quicker

As a driver you should be demanding an open charging standard so all cars can charge at all chargers. Why meekly settle for less?

Here are three EVs charging faster than a Tesla Model 3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxcukAhIAU

Amusingly, Teslas charge faster on CCS chargers than on Tesla's proprietary chargers:

https://insideevs.com/news/507489/tesla-model3-charging-fast...

But the good news is Tesla will supposedly open their chargers to all EVs soon, mostly to get the benefit of government subsidies. Governments aren't going to fund chargers that only charge one brand:

https://insideevs.com/news/521623/tesla-superchargers-open-o...

They'll probably start in Europe first because Teslas already use the CCS Type 2 Combo inlet in Europe.
you want to like respond to the weakest version of what I say so you can pretend that I'm so bad for saying this so you want to connect all the words in the worst possible interpretation. First point is it's only a bad interpretation if you want to take it from a human moral point of view I'm not doing that--so you need to impose your different moral view on my comment and judge it from the point of view where you can find something bad. I'm considering it from the monkey point of view. secondly I'm not even saying that's the brave thing. The brave thing is this this female monkey took the alpha position and did what she needed to do to get there... like female alphas are rare so you got to be brave to do it right? I know you want to hate on my comment and pretend it's so bad but why don't you hate on it from the real version like if it's really so hatable for you why do you need to pretend it's the weak version in order to hate it why not just hate on the strongest version? Hahaha.
So what you are saying, you could do the 2000 mile trip in 33 hours! Of-course, that assumes you do not sleep for the entire trip, don't take bathroom breaks or stops for food.

I think I rather do the 2000 miles in a BEV and take some breaks in the driving.
Exactly this. And this further opens the opportunity for E2EE iCloud Photos where Apple can’t look at your photos on their servers at all. This gives them cover that they’re not hosting illegal content.
> The 23-year-old earns 8,000 rupees a month ($125) for her work. That’s what her employers can expect to pay for a single “date night” out at one of the city’s finer restaurants.

Even in 2021 (article is from 2017) this is an exaggeration. You can have dinner for 2 at a five-star hotel in Delhi for less than half that amount, unless you're splurging on the drinks.
Hopefully so they can remove their current ability to decrypt user photos for whatever reason they want. The current state is they can decrypt any user photos on iCloud. Doing client side scanning and this CSAM detection implementation could allow them to remove their ability to decrypt EXCEPT in very specific situations.

It's not true end-to-end encryption since in some cases the content can be decrypted without the user key but it's significantly closer than what they have today.

That being said I don't know if that is their plan or not, but it is a plausible reason to make this change.
Hahaha this is funny even if we agreed you couldn't say anything nice because you hated my first comment so much. I think you should think about that why would you hate something fundamentally empowering for people about choices unless you had something to gain from people being disempowered?
Well therein lies the problem: perceptual hashes don't produce an exact result. You need to compare something like the hamming distance (as the article mentions) of each hash to decide if it's a match.

Is it possible to perform private set intersection where the comparison is inexact? I.e., if you have two cryptographic hashes, private set intersection is well understood. Can you do the same if the hashes are close, but not exactly equal?

If the answer is yes, that could mean you would be able to derive the perceptual hashes of the CSAM, since you're able to find values close to the original and test how far you can drift from it before there's no longer a match.
> The first thing one has to do is define homeless, which actually has many definitions. By number, most homeless are socially normal people staying with relatives and friends.

Me and my 5 kids just came within a hair of being homeless. As in, we beat the long, long odds and scored the 1-rental-for-every-100-families-looking.

To clarify, families with cash in the bank are facing strong prospects for homelessness this year. Families without cash, with special needs, or many other common factors might as well buy tents now because there is nowhere for them to go.
What is the ratio of consumers of child pornography to the population of iPhone users? In order of magnitude, is it 1%, 0.1%, 0.001%, 0.0001%? With all the press around the announcement, this is not exactly stealth technology. Wouldn't such consumers switch platforms, rendering the system pointless?
No, I was not being sarcastic. I was trying to think of a parallel example in Europe.
I'm clear on it. I'm against people saying gender matters because it makes me weak and a victim and I can't do anything and therefore people should give to me because of my gender rather than me having to create for myself. so people forget that it's about choices and ambition and bravery just like I said in the monkey comment. I'm for people saying gender matters where it's like whatever qualities you want to associate with your gender as something that you draw strength from. I'm against the sort of self-hating insecurity about gender that seem to come out of Western American culture.
forget about authoritarian regimes committing genocide, think about the children sharing pepe memes with ok signs. There are lots of pitchforks ready to go, and some of them already work withing Apple campus who are writing design docs on how to make Apple ecosystem even more safe
How's the groundwater contamination? I was looking at Minnesota but the PFAS/... contamination is rampant, just terrible.
It doesn't matter what you "buy" or not, doesn't change the fact that in 2000, there were certainly "environmentalists" and solar snakeoil salesmen claiming that nuclear didn't make sense because of solar.

> Also, there's this [1].

There's lots of things. France GHG emissions per capita: 6800kg/yr, Germany: 8520kg/yr. France electricity cost: 0.22c kw/h, Germany: 0.36c kw/h.
Hey, I found your email on another thread.. I will reach out!
Can I just say that I'm fascinated that this is happening under Tim Apple - an openly gay man in his 60s?

I mean this is someone who would know what being on the wrong side of law means - not only federally, but probably quite intimately since Alabama was not exactly known for its acceptance of homosexual people.

Now just imagine if the US still had anti-homosexuality laws (like the majority of the world still does) and your phone is constantly scanning your photos to check for signs of homosexual behaviour. Forgetfully take a selfie with your boyfriend, it gets flagged, sent to the Ministry of Morality, and next thing you know you're being dragged into a van. Best case scenario you're being jail. Worst you're being thrown off a building, stoned, or brutally beaten to death.

That's the future Apple is signing us up for. There is zero chance this stops at CSAM, especially with the Democrats convinced that half the country are the absolute worst people on the planet and not being shy about completely ignoring the rule of law and Constitution to extend the reach of the state to levels that would make a totalitarian blush. This will end terribly.
Yeah. After thinking about it this is probably the missing motivation for building this feature client side. It's a huge blunder to announce/enable this before actually doing the end-to-end encryption for iCloud. It renders the whole thing pointless.
[Citation needed]? Was there no funny business in Cuba?
I agree 100%. If I were one of these scientists, my manager's name would be leaked onto social media by some anonymous account and that internet angst would be put to good use. Crimes of corruption that lead to birth defects in babies for the sake of corporate profits are so outrageous that having to answer in the public square for it is befitting.
The law doesn't require them to actively go around scanning for it.
Absolutely this. Carbon footprint is the measurement to use here, and that must take into account a holistic analysis of the outputs of production and logistics.
>but there is still a very strong culture of free speech

In my opinion, that culture has been rapidly dying, chipped away by a very sizable and growing chunk that doesn't value it at all, seeing it only as a legal technicality to be sidestepped.
I wonder how many other programming languages there are that are still mainly proprietary. It seems like most languages these days have their primary implementation as open source.
Sue them for false marketing.
Take your liberal propaganda and shove it all up your ass you fascist fucking cocksucker.

Do us all a favor and fucking kill yourself.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I understand why that works for perceptual hashes if you make them really precise, however I doubt it would work with md5, which is why I asked.
Canning Parler is Apple choosing not to advertise and send you an app they don't like, i.e. it's Apple exercising it's own right to free speech. Agree or disagree with it, it's categorically different from Apple spying on what the files you have are saying (not even to or via Apple) and reporting it to the government.
Well that wasn't the case with cops in last year's protest. Sometimes the names need to come first so the public can insist on the crimes being acknowledged.
How about you track my dick in your ass faggot.
> I never edit org files outside an editor that knows how to handle org files.

I guess I'll also add, I use Emacs in environments where not everyone else uses Emacs, and I like to make TODO lists, write up docs.

Yeah, I can export to HTML, but it's a nice bonus to Org that I don't really have to -- I can write all of my docs and share them with people as plain Org files or stick them on a random flash-drive, and I know they'll still be readable.

Could just be my own disorganization/laziness :shrug:

> having a format-aware cli dumper would be better

My opinions have lately been jumping around a lot on this. In theory, having a good machine-readable format that you can dump out from a command line is enough, because you can turn that format into plain text if it's ever important to do so. So I sort of see where you're coming from.

In practice, I still feel like the lack of friction working with pure text adds something? I do occasionally boot up Vim or stick files on a flash drive and edit them on someone else's laptop when I'm away from Emacs.

But I don't know. Regardless, I do want a format-aware cli dumper, so you're absolutely correct on that point :)
We have to deal with the reality of our legal system.
Congrats on your launch. May I check what is the best email contact to say hi to the tech founder?
BRT is often a higher class of service. It’s great! But there’s a lot to be said for taking a two lane street in a city and giving one of the lanes to the bus route that goes down it.
Haha yeah well you're ignoring how much our society is like a monkey society. We are still ruled by ape brain shit and violence still rules today but it's not a good thing in our society and that's right.

But in this case it's a good thing cuz this girl is doing the rare and brave step of achieving alpha status by doing what she needs to do. I think that lesson even from a different species has applications in our own society--you can do what you need to do in our society to achieve the rare heights of being an alpha whatever your gender. It doesn't mean you have to beat everyone up that's incorrectly applying the moral standards from this other species to our own; but it means like do whatever the fuck you need to do: make your choices, be brave, have ambition right? and then score your wins. kind of hilarious that people want to push back against that sentiment and pretend they're standing for women's rights but that makes sense to me because the people who often pretend they're standing for women's rights are really just standing up for the disempowerment of women through fake narratives about how women are always these fake victims. Who can't do anything for themselves and need to be given everything. but it's actually makes sense to me and he's really predictable for those people who pretend to stand up for women's rights would really hate on and be threatened by a comment where a woman was making choices and being brave and having ambition and doing something that's actually empowering for her rather than being playing the fake victim game and disempowering herself all the time, stuff which plays into the hands of those people who only pretend to stand up for rights.
Would the condo board not be able to cancel the contract with the management company?
Nice, thanks for linking!

I'm excited to see stuff like this, I think a formal grammar would open a lot of doors for more tools to get built around the format.
How is explicit discrimination and racial segregation ”a fight to end discrimination”?

All this ”we have long history is america black slavery blaablablah” is not any kind of a counter argument. By segregating people you are doing exactly the same thing what slave owners, south africans and those hillbilly right wing extremists do.
In Japan after 3/11 there was a citizen movement to track radiation because the govenment data, and collection was questionable. Im not.sure of the details, but the govt hit back pretty hard, and even introduced new official secrets legislation.
I think one of the major factors that changes how people perceive this is that it's happen on their own device. If you upload a thing to a server and the server does something... I mean sure. You gave a thing to somebody else, and they did something with it. That's a very understandable and largely accepted situation.

This is different. This is your own device doing that thing, out of your control. Alright sure, it's doing the same thing as the other server did and under the same circumstances* so maybe functionally nothing has changed. But the philosophical difference is quite huge between somebody else's server watching over what you upload and your own device doing it.

I'm struggling to come up with a good analogy. The closest I can really think of is the difference between a reasonably trusted work friend and your own family member reporting you to the authorities for suspicious behavior in your workplace and home respectively. The end result is the same, but I suspect few people would feel the same about those situations.

* There is no inherent limitation for your own device to only be able to check photos you upload to iCloud. There is however such a limitation for the iCloud servers. A very reasonably and potentially functional difference is the ability for this surveillance to be easily expanded beyond iCloud uploads in the future.
Doodling in Math Class: Squiggle Inception [video]
The title should mention what type of reactor it is. Coal? Thermal solar? Human?
Alternatively, and just as likely, is that the Republicans do the same evil things that you say the Democrats would do. Misusing tech isn't just for the "other" side, my friend.
Well see you guys need to be nuanced and maybe you're not capable of seeing the nuance in the current binary love hate zero nuance Zeitgeist discourse. there's irony in there but my beliefs are clearly very different to yours so the irony is different to your irony. But my sentiment is totally true it is all about choices about being brave and having ambition that's how you can get what you want rather than playing the fake victim demanding others give to you and always being disempowered and pretending that somehow to empowerment.
Cowardice then.
Aluminum is not a heavy metal. It is a light metal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium#Toxicity has more
Why would Apple want to do this? It doesn’t benefit them at all. Their competitive advantage is having people trust their devices, if not their values.

People are making an extreme claim that Apple went out of their way to implement a fancy system to ruin their own value proposition, and the evidence they have to offer is mere speculation.
I built a 52 page web app from scratch in 3 months learning Typescript while doing it. It wasn’t hard. The key is to use an absolute minimum of dependencies. Only add a dependency if you can truly prove a large benefit/cost advantage compared with writing what you need yourself. Also, use meta programming (code generation/declarative programming) to remove all repetitive work.
How does this relate to the allegation I was responding to? There is a difference between false positives and false negatives you know. False negative is where the criminal evades the system through measures you describe. False positive — what I was responding to — is where Apple incorrectly accuses an innocent person and thus violates their privacy during the subsequent review.
> …your phone is constantly scanning your photos to check for signs of homosexual behaviour. Forgetfully take a selfie with your boyfriend, it gets flagged…

Except that’s not what this is doing.

For all intents and purposes, “scanning” is just hashing content before it’s uploaded and comparing that hash to a known database. So, unless your picture had been hashed and flagged before (And if you just took it how could it have been?) then there’s nothing for it to match.

Don’t just conjure FUD from a contrived worst-case scenario.
> Why would they care if I am a robot that wants to pay them?

I’ve seen scammers find obscure payment portals and run through a bunch of card numbers to see if they approve/deny. Recaptcha prevents that. It’s obviously not the only way, but it’s low dev effort and it works.
Would mosquitos have enhanced the feeling of authenticity or detracted from it?
You know it's a ridiculous situation when someone getting their first iPad is newsworthy, and millions of people feel compelled to cheer and congratulate them for it.

Britney's father seems excessively abusive. It's hard to believe he gets away with it.
Fastmail is hosted in New Jersey. If it was hosted in Aus the user experience would be pretty bad for most of its users.
>If I didn't need so many Google-tied apps I would pick this as my phone OS for basic stuff like messaging and browsing.

In case I run into a similar issue as you - what turned out to be Google-tied apps you weren't able to do without?
Wow I love how you say that's a ridiculous statement.. to me that's completely true about the world. for you to think that's a ridiculous statement means to me that you are just giving away your power to everyone else letting everyone else set the terms of everything pretending that your choices don't matter and then it doesn't matter your ambition on how brave you out. To me sounds like you just want to start from this disempowered position. By choice no less. But if you take the other path and take personal responsibility? That's empowering. Fuck yeah!
Being concerned is being rational just the reality of it that's depressing.
About point 2, this can be done with vscode using this extension

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-vscod...

This explains it https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/ssh-tutorial

There's a similar extension to work within containers https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-vscod...
Sorry but this is nothing new for the US federal government. This sort of corruption was going on for centuries before Trump. Unless you can tie Trump to this case specifically, your comment is overly political. It's also not useful; if this is Trump's fault, why was this problem occurring before he took office, and why is it still occurring? Let's discuss solutions.