skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> There is a potential for abuse of this system, but consider the following too

> I think again, the backlash is daft.

Don't apologize for this bullshit! Don't let your love of brand trump the reality of what's going on here.

Machinery is being put in place to detect what files are on your supposedly secure device. Someone has the reins and promises not to use it for anything other than "protecting the children".

How many election cycles or generations does it take to change to an unfavorable climate where this is now a tool of great asymmetrical power to use against the public?

What happens when the powers that be see that you downloaded labor union materials, documents from Wikileaks, or other files that implicate you as a risk?

Perhaps a content hash on your phone puts you in a flagged bucket where you get pat downs at the airport, increased surveillance, etc.

The only position to take here is a full rebuke of Apple.

edit: Apple apologists are taking a downright scary position now. I suppose the company has taken a full 180 from their 1984 ad centerpiece. But that's okay, right, because Apple is a part of your identity and it's beyond reproach?

edit 2: It's nominally iCloud only (a key feature of the device/ecosystem), but that means having to turn off a lot of settings. One foot in the door...

edit 3: Please don't be complicit in allowing this to happen. Don't apologize or rationalize. This is only a first step. We warned that adtech and monitoring and abuse of open source were coming for years, and we were right. We're telling you - loudly - that this will begin a trend of further erosion of privacy and liberty.
solar2d is on the way to achieve this goal too
Because we want to unambiguously refer to times in the future?

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It would of course have been possible to have NTP be based of of TAI rather than UTC (and that might have been a good idea), but it still begs the question of what any POSIX operating system will do given that posix timestamps are leap-second adjusted. And the reason that POSIX timestamps are leap-second adjusted is so that 2628198843 has always, and will always represent 2053-04-13T23:14:03Z. For better or worse, humans have standardized on UTC, so machines that expect to interact with humans must also do so.
I'm sorry but this is the most ridiculous thing I've read today. Hashes have never and probably will never be used "smear" someone the US doesn't like. We can speculate about them planting evidence but trying to prosecute based on hashes baked into the OS used by millions? That's absurd.
This was in the early/mid 90s or so I'd hazard to guess. I've only seen it on PCs.

It was often the most fun application in an elementary school's computer lab. As far as I know it was never officially bundled or anything, but just a popular program. I also had it on my computers at home because both my parents were in graphic design and used Corel Draw for work, and my dad was a bit of a computer geek.
looking around at all the painfully slow software I have to use

Unsound fundamentals (when to use the right data structures, etc) surely do contribute to software bloat but I don't think it's anywhere near the largest contributor to that problem, not by a long shot.

The overwhelming issue IMO is a lack of time allocated for developers to actually focus on perf. I've been doing this for years and I almost always need to fight+claw for that time, or just do it guerilla style when I'm really supposed to be doing something else.

It certainly is true that lot of performance issues could surely be avoided in the first place if developers made better choices in the first place, choosing the correct data structures and so on, and stronger fundamentals (though not bit twiddling in particular) would definitely help with that. But in most projects I've worked on, requirements change so rapidly it's tough to bake perf in from the start even if you're willing and capable.
I would totally buy that - if anything has the potential for infinit growth it's peoples idiocy.
With a DSP core it often gets even better, the bit shift might be free. Say you have the instruction ACC = ACC + P << PM, that could compile to a single instruction, if you're not writing assembly directly.

Additionally if you're ever working directly with hardware, writing drivers, or firmware, bit-shift operations are often the best (and most common) way to get stuff done.
The basic premise is faulty, a chance in the ocean currents would not immediately cause massive climate change, it would take a couple of centuries but would be pretty much inevitable. It likely would also accelerate other processes already in motion, so more extreme weather would be a pretty safe bet but not to the degree depicted in the movie.
It is a clear sign that the person never had any genuine interest in computing, since that would have led to learning how a CPU works (it's the most important part of a computer!) and thus its instruction set, which would have of course led to learning about binary operators and shift operators.

Instead the person clearly was motivated only by some specific application of computing or by making money.
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This is incorrect. Pretty much every state of the art model uses copyrighted data. This is considered fair use and it has never been a problem outside of concern trolling.
> There is no slippery slope from child porn prohibition to political censorship, as so many other commenters fear.

The UK ISPs implemented Cleanfeed, a joint database to block access to child abuse materials, many years ago. Your feelings were pretty common.

Since then Cleanfeed has expanded to censor copyright infringing sites by court diktact, and proposed legislation (which will, in some form pass) will effectively use it to block all sites not suitable for under 13 unless they implement age verification and where the guidelines can be updated at will explicitly for policial purposes by the Secretary of State.

So it is pretty hard to take your statement seriously where such slope exists and many of us are much further down it.
Technocrats are the new railway tycoons
Studies have shown that CCTV reduces crime (https://whatworks.college.police.uk/toolkit/Pages/Interventi...). I expect results here will be even better.

This technology uses secret sharing to ensure a threshold of images are met before photos are flagged. In this case, it's even more private than CCTV.

Totalitarian regimes to do not need some magic bit of technology to abuse citizens; that's been clear since the dawn of time. Those who are concerned about abuse would do well to direct their efforts towards maintenance of democratic systems: upholding societal, political, regulatory and legal checks and balances.

Criminals are becoming better criminals by taking advantage of advancements in technology right now, and, for better or worse, it's an arms race and society will simply not accept criminals gaining the upper hand.

If not proven necessary, society is capable of reverting to prior standards (Habeas Corpus resumed after the Civil War, and parts of the Patriot Act have expired, for example.).
I love the optimism here, everyone always states this like the tipping point is sure to be in the future. TBH, it seems equally likely to me that the last year we could seriously avoid major climate change was in the early 1990s.
Okay but what about the intense war going on for youtube content creators getti g banned or content struck right now. Or all the wrongful bans on platforms like facebook or Twitter.
A lot of people come to the office vs. remote question from a place where "office" means that almost everyone you ever interact with is a few dozen steps away. For many of us, it's more like thousands of miles. In fact, if I go into either of the closest offices, I know almost no one there and even fewer who are likely to actually be in the office if I drop in.
Or charging infra at work.
Seems like Electron would make a stronger foundation than native toolkits for Emacs-style flexibility, extensibility and composition. The DOM, for all its faults, charts a solid path between being flexible and still being structured, all while making it easy to change and extend from the outside. I've found it's much easier to write a browser extension that adds functionality to GMail—even without GMail actively supporting extensions—than it is to write a similar extension to, say, the native Outlook app (even with explicit plugin support from Microsoft).

I haven't paid much attention to the Electron world myself so I don't know to what extent anybody is taking advantage of this, but even if they're not, I expect it would be easier than with alternatives.
Last I checked (about a year ago), the Google Maps app did work with microG (a FOSS reimplementation of Google Play Services).
> I don't want that to be the case, but until the pine phone is here and starts being a reasonable alternative; that's how it is.

Someone will have to buy the pine phone when it is not a reasonable alternative to support the effort and keep the ball rolling.
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So your argument is, if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about. Really? Will you feel the same when Apple later decides to include dozens more crimes that they will screen for, surreptitiously? All of which are searches without warrants or legal oversight?

Let me introduce you to someone you should know better. His name is Edward Snowden. Or Louis Brandeis, who is spinning in his grave right about now.

The US Fourth Amendment exists for a damned good reason.
I think the problem many people have is they hate interacting over Zoom.
Autoimmune autonomic ganglionopathy: https://rarediseases.info.nih.gov/diseases/11917/autoimmune-...

It's immune-mediated autonomic neuropathy and causes autonomic nervous system failure. I am in pharmaceutical remission now.
Apple's parental controls are HORRIBLE. There is at least 20% false positives there, that flag all sorts of absolutely benign sites as "adult".

Any kind of machine-based contextual analysis of users' content will be a disaster.
So, just by being australian and having family there you check box #1 and #3 automatically?
Just looked at our census data again today, 50% of the patients hospitalized in our community hospitals are vaccinated. Not a huge sample size, but still. I'm not sure if our health system reports on this data or not.
There is simply no simple way to address Climate Change like there was with CFC's in the 90s.

- 1/3 of emissions come China which has an autocratic leadership accountable neither to its people or the global community.

- 70% of emissions come from energy consumption. 35% of all emissions is electricity and heat, and another 15% is construction + manufacturing.

- Even if every mode of transportation was fully electric supplied by 100% nuclear supplied electricity, global emissions would only drop by 15%. (i.e. transportation only accounts for 15% of global emissions).

Have you stopped heating/cooling your house? Moved to a small apartment? Stopped driving a car?

Carbon taxes will also meet friction because:

1. They are actually regressive income taxes. The bottom 90% of the income distribution spend most of their wealth on necessary consumption (food, rent, getting to work).

2. Most of the goods taxes (electricity, heat, transportation) are inelastic. People may chose to purchase less consumer items, eat less meat, but they are still going to heat their homes and drive to work.

I'm not suggesting to do nothing, but a smug mentality of "people are just not willing to do the obviously right solution because they are stupid" doesn't solve anything either.
It’s been a long time since I’ve set up my phone, so I don’t remember the defaults. If I recall correctly, photo stream (last ~100? photos) was on by default but not the entire photo library.
iCloud isn't end-to-end encrypted and Apple is technically capable of accessing the data stored there. As I understand, they already do server-side scanning for abusive material.
> when private companies like FedEx or Amazon can do it better, faster and cheaper?

Because they don't.
Already answered here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28079919
Domestic flights wouldn’t be hard to electrify (815km range within 4-5 years, 1300km range within 10 years… enough to electrify short haul flights which are half of all passenger miles traveled by air… and most medium/long haul flights can be broken up to shorter routes), and you can also do electric car road trips (I just drove from Texas to Virginia in a Model S). Eventually, even long haul flights (~4000-5000km) could be electrified.

It’s ultimately not hard to reduce emissions to low levels. Just use electricity for stuff we usually use fossil fuels for now. Until 1950 or so, most hydrogen for fertilizer was made with electrolysis, so it wouldn’t be hard to do that. Many homes are already heated purely electrically. Several electrical grids have very low per-kWh emissions. Mix of nuclear, hydro, wind, solar, and geothermal makes it pretty feasible. Even new iron in new plants in the US (the steel which isn’t recycled already in arc furnaces) is about half made with hydrogen (as part of natural gas syngas) and could be tweaked to be ~90-95% hydrogen.

It’s not hard or even particularly expensive. We just gotta do it and quit telling people the only way to fight climate change is castration (literal or metaphorical, ie degrowth).

(Also, a crewed solar powered plane flew around the world a few years ago, although you’d want to use mostly battery electric.)

…really, the hard thing to electrify are the long haul transoceanic flights. A yearly visit to relatives in France has a massive carbon footprint right now, but it’s also something almost no one does (compared to commuting, having a house in the suburbs, domestic flights, and road trips, which are relatively easy to decarbonize). An appropriate carbon price on the few electrification-resistant sectors would address the problem efficiently.
You are not wrong. It has been my position from the start that we should advocate for minimizing human impact on the climate and invest in surviving the change that those who will not heed that advice will create. I can recommend the book "Apocalypse Never" by Michael Shellenberger. While I don't agree with all of his points he does call out some of the factors that drive unnecessary hype. Perhaps one of the biggest takeaways is that there are monied interests who are just as invested in scare mongering to damage their opponent interests as there are environmental groups.

That aside, some of the early research in climate change actually pointed out that the result of this climate instability may in fact be another glacial period rather than a period of extremely high temperatures. Just as damaging to people and ecosystems but not what a lot of people think about when they think "climate change."

And finally, there are a models and there are a bunch of unknowns. As the unknowns reveal themselves the models get better, but some things like the "great oxygenation events" that are documented in the fossil record are really really unknown.

The current wildfires are a good example of an unknown. The drought combined with lightning is burning millions of acres of forest. It can do that year after year for perhaps a decade, maybe two, and then the properties that make the forest subject to massive fires are mooted. So what then? Does the American northwest turn into a giant savannah with sparse trees and lots of grassland? When the ice has melted and the moisture carrying capacity of the air has quintupled, The annual rainstorms/hurricanes/monsoons will be biblically huge every year. How will people respond, how will we change the way we build, the way we live, the way we survive? It involves change but the challenges of living on the earth in those conditions is a couple of orders of magnitude less than the challenge of living on a planet that has never supported life in the first place.

Every generation is dumb in their own way, and we may get knocked back into a feudal existence, but what we can do as individuals remains the same, set good examples, practice less impactful living, and try to leave our patch of world better than it would have been had we not been there.
No, my definition of luxury is to take anything that we didn't have in the last 100 years and consider it optional, because that's the kind of world you'll be living in regardless of your opinion on the matter.

And then you will realize that it is a luxury to be able to zoom around the planet on a moments notice, to have a multiple 100's of KW personal energy budget per month and so on. These things are not givens and once they're gone everything that depended on them will be gone as well, because you will prefer to survive.
I can't wait until photos of marvel movies get deleted and you get a warning for breaking copyright.
It's the RDF. People still think of Apple as the Old Apple. The rebellious company that stood for creative freedom. The maker of tools that work for the user, not against the user.
Always annoying when you're dealing with a Dutch who insists on conflating directness (or worse, 'honesty') with rudeness. Makes me positively want to have some other passport.

(Queue the why dontchas, naively illustrating my point ;))
Who verifies CSAM databases? Is there a way to verify the CSAM hashlist hasn't been tampered with and additional hashes inserted?

Would it be ok to use this approach to stop "terrorism"? Are you ok with both Biden and Trump defining that list?
>"They're harder to read and understand quickly"

Disagree. Never had problem with bits. Also it is one of the basics of general computing so it would not hurt to know about the subject.
This talk [1] by Dr. Jennifer Francis is a must watch, not the one I was looking for but this one is probably more up to date. She starts to talk about the Gulf Stream about 30 minutes into the talk.

[1] https://youtu.be/QmGK6TpiwIA
C’mon, man, be forthright. It’s not a “boogeyman of 0.0001% overhead.” I agree that conservative aversion to addressing climate change is a problem. But the other side isn’t proposing minor tax increases here. A very vocal front sees this as an opportunity to do all the things the socialists and central planners wanted anyway, while spending tens of trillions of dollars. When climate change is tied together with everything from labor laws to racial issues, it’s very hard for conservatives to trust the real motivation behind the measures. And that’s a choice the left makes to do that.
It would be if that were what they were doing. They are not.
Kids, immunocompromised, and similar have not made that decision.
> After seeing the global chaotic response to COVID

This is hindsight bias in spades. The global response to Covid-19 is much better than could reasonably have been expected before the event.

We don't have 10% of the world's population dead (partly through war), collapsed major cities due to core services failing, or any disasters at similar scale, and a raging pandemic with 20 or more virulent variants sweeping through repeatedly.
I'm not naturalizing organized violence, you are. I'm talking about the history of one institution and its forms of reproduction. How are you going to "deal" with today's prison system without understanding how it reproduces itself (through the law, through the indoctrination of people such as yourself, etc)?
Sadly, we might not see meaningful action until we have a "Climate 911" moment; a single event in a wealthy location where thousands of people perish within a short period of time.
"Feels like a way to actually reach encrypted data all around while still meeting the expectations of lawmakers/regulators"

And isn't that a problem? Encrypted data should be secure, even if lawmakers don't want math to exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevmorput
Nude pic ID is routine online. Facebook developed this capability over 5 years ago and employs it liberally today, as do many other net service providers.
would you not report unsolicited child porn to the FBI anyway?
Seconded, if you're going to use the JVM, that is. Lisp on the JVM is a solved problem.
That feels tremendously easy to abuse.

As an obvious vector - an abusive husband can set up the account on their partners phone, set them up with a child account and "check" they are not sending anything suggestive. And we have no idea how reliable the scanning is for the sexting piece. A false positive notification could easily get some beaten, even possibly killed.

Scanning against a known database of material uploaded to iCloud didn't sound too terrible for me, but this sexting feature is incredibly dangerous.
Ah I see why you're getting so much disagreement in this thread. Software job titles have no precise definitions in my experience. It would never occur to me to be astonished that a Software Engineer doesn't know something, while being unfazed by a Software Developer with the same knowledge and experience. ICs most often don't even pick their own titles; the company comes up with whatever they feel like.
Sure, but whoever owns the account which wrote those files in is, in the United States, responsible for doing some version of what Apple has announced they will do with iCloud Photos today.
Dijkstras take-down of Margaret Hamilton's methodology is quite revealing of his attitude: https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/E...

After all, she did manage writing software which put a man on the moon and is generally recognized as some of the most solid and bug-free software ever. Nevertheless Dijkstra is completely dismissive (and downright condescending) because they don't use the theoretically correct approach.
Can you live without residence? Say I'm sailing around the world. My home country could be thousands of miles away, pretty much unreachable in a practical way. Should that still count as my residence?
> that a tool designed to stop the spread of CSAM is a "bad thing"

It's certainly said to be designed to do it, but have you seen concerns raised in the other thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28068741)? There have been reports from some commenters of the NCMEC database containing unobjectionable photos because they were merely found in a context alongside some CSAM.

Who audits these databases? Where is the oversight to guarantee only appropriate content is included? They are famously opaque because the very viewing of the content is illegal. So how can we know that they contain what they are purported to contain?

This is overreach.
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I'm not sure such Emacs "distributions" really convince people that don't like it on a fundamental level.
I've tried it a few times, but it always feels like it gets in my way because a large part of its assumptions and settings go against my expectations. And changing that seems like a multi-year project because the whole program is just so huge and complex and still growing.

If Emacs was faster and much smaller I'd probably love it. But in its current state all I can do is slap more plugins and modes on it until it almost grinds to a halt.
It runs on my device and uses my CPU, battery time and my network bandwidth (to download/upload the hashes and other necessary artifacts).

I'd be fine with them scanning stuff I uploaded to them with their own computers because I don't have any really expectation of privacy from huge corporations.
The source code is under a FLOSS license, but it only works on Nvidia GPUs and uses proprietary Nvidia-specific technologies like CUDA.

It's significantly closer to "nonfree" on the free-nonfree spectrum than it should be, and is another example of the difference between the guiding philosophies behind "free software" and "open source"
It’s already happened. The last 100 years.
Parents do have a legal and moral responsibility to check on their children’s behaviour, and that includes teens. It’s somewhat analogous to a teacher telling parents about similar behaviour taking place at school.

I suspect a lot of how people feel about this will come down to whether they have kids or not.