> The end user interacts with the application visually. That's why we test visually.

Not all users interact visually. Selecting interactive elements through accessible labels, not based on visual appearance, is a better practice imo. I want important parts of the DOM that are critical to building a correct accessibility tree to be a part of the test, and to fail the test if we change something that makes the accessibility tree incorrect. Because that is the API for assistive technology and it communicates the user interface for lots of people. "Correct behavior" of an app or website includes "the accessibility tree accurately reflects the structure and nature of the content" and "form fields are labelled correctly". I might be in the minority in thinking that, but I believe it 100%.

Nothing I've seen so far (including the post you linked) suggests that the OCR-like approach can tell us anything about the accessibility tree.

The post does make a similar point to mine:

> If your app changes visually, your test will fail. This is of course a tradeoff and a conscious decision to couple your tests to your UI instead of your code, but the upsides bring much more value than that the downsides take away.

I disagree on the tradeoff. I can run screenshot diffs etc to catch unexpected UI changes, they are a little noisy, but I'm ok with that tradeoff because I care about more than just the visual appearance of the app.

A "visually correct" app with click handlers on divs and no semantic HTML is a liability (legally, maintenance wise, etc).. I'd like the E2E testing tool to assert that the app is working correctly, which does mean some assertions about the DOM are appropriate to me. I agree with the author of the linked post that "we want a solution that is not brittle in unwanted ways." We can be selective about what DOM things are important.

In the linked post the author says "In particular, DOM tests are tightly coupled to the structure of your code." and gives an example about a Selenium test that uses a brittle xpath that depends on a specific DOM structure.

Maybe I have not been exposed to enough of the industry to know that there are thousands of setups relying on flaky xpaths to target elements for testing. To me, it is not true that DOM tests are tightly couple to the structure of your code by default. It's a false statement made for marketing purposes and it is gross.

DOM tests "can be flaky", "are sometimes coupled to DOM structure" or whatever, is a fair assertion, but flakiness in DOM-driven testing is not a fact, it's a sign of badly written DOM-based tests. This is often the first thing I address in a code review of new tests written by somebody who does not write lots of FE test code, and they easily learn how to avoid it.

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems really really basic stuff to not create brittle selectors that fail tests for reasons we don't care about.

I like the OS-level interaction and agree that provides some advantages. I totally disagree that these advantages mean your solution wins at the "best way" to test, but it does clearly cover a different surface area than other automated solutions for E2E testing, and it seems like tests are pretty quick to knock out.

This solution could be a complement to other automated E2E tests, and I would see no reason that a PM or other party couldn't spin up and maintain some tests this way as quick-to-create set of tests to run against various builds, knowing that design changes will break them but that this is OK cause in theory it is quick to rewrite them.

But I couldn't see using this tool as the only E2E testing solution as though it is a superset of what Cypress/Selenium/Whatever tests are capable of. It is actually not a competitor with those tools. It's addresses different concerns with a little bit of overlap.

I'm happy to check out the free trial and see if I'm missing something, and eat crow if I'm being unfair here.