skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Where is the analysis of how people already use email and how it fails? How is this going to improve the experience?

There are a ton of research areas for email/messaging, such as those below. This seems to address none of them.

- better searching

- multiple sources (email, SMS, RSS, twitter .. in one place)

- automatic classification of incoming email, flagging important items, separating personal and business etc

- integrating to-do lists
Oh come on. You're completely abusing Comcast's Service and now you're telling some sympathetic story about how it's unfair. 250GB/month is massive, and you knew full well that you were on your last chance, and it's not surprising that they measure upload data as bandwidth (what on earth did you expect?).

If you were going to be using the service like that, you should've asked first. Don't try and tell us you 'forgot' that you had a server down stairs moving gigabytes of data around. I wouldn't want you as a customer either.
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I guess this is why there's no Google Chrome App to compete with Tweetdeck.
Well, the good thing about it is maybe this will force a "Silicon Valley" to finally appear in Europe where the odds aren't stacked so badly against the little guy.
Did anyone else see this?

http://i.imgur.com/5OyW7.png
This is interesting (under "Ceylon types"):

> Decimal. Arbitrary precision and arbitrary scale decimals

And then nothing more is said about them. But they raise all kinds of interesting issues. Obviously someone has thought about them; e.g., the name "Decimal" (as opposed to "Real") says you can't store, say, 1/3 exactly, let alone something like sqrt(2) or pi. But apparently 10^k, for just about any integral k, will produce an exact result. Not so for 2^k, though (rather un-computerish, no)?

I'd like to find out more about these. Does anyone have any links or info?

P.S. What would be really fun is some kind of lazily-evaluated arbitrary-precision value. Only compute as many digits as are needed at the moment. Can we also toss in a representation that could specify any rational exactly?
On Facebook you buy ads for ~$1+ because you can set target demographic to something as specfic as "women; 42-47 years old; looking for relationships with other women; with a degree in biology or computer science; attened Harvard; Works at IBM; who likes horseback riding or skiing"

Imagine if google knew BOTH your search term and your complete personal history. Then the ad price and conversion would increase enormously.

That is what Google is trying to get a piece of.
> "But for every Airbnb and Udemy there are always more Netflix, Evernote and Spotify clones."

She clearly has not spent much time using or even understanding what the companies (Moki.tv, Noteleaf.com, or earbits.com) do... because those are not even close to clones.
No, it's about social.

The other stuff is already happening, and Google is winning.
That's the best argument I've heard so far for Google+
G+ is a move into social media, what's a better way to have live data on your user base than the data generated by a service you control, and maybe why profiles must be public.
I agree that life is way too short to NOT be screwing around, and people should be doing what they feel makes a difference (and have fun doing it). It's hard to agree with this one, however:

And shorter yet are the "productive years"; that period in your life when
you can make a difference, when your knowledge, experience, and influence
add up to something.

Advances in both biomedical research and the culture of work will mean that we can expect to look forward to the "productive/creative years" lasting the majority of our total lifespan. Of course, you can always opt out, as I've seen with many middle-aged friends recently: have kids, build house, and then wait for death in a cushy bourgeois setting.
you should have a control post.

something with just "asdf" typed over and over. ...filled with keywords at the bottom.

I bet you'd get the same amount
The concept screenshots have been designed using data that displays well in an IM-style conversation log, but how would it work for traditionally formatted email (e.g. Dear, regards, long signature, messy disclaimer, quoted text, html newsletters)? That is where the sender has one idea of how email should look like, and the receiver has another?
Agree, I'll take a good desktop app over a webapp any day. Webapps disappear frequently, aren't as quick and most importantly you put your data in the hands of a 3rd party which can work against you.
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It is weird how replying on the conversations tab makes the user write the reply above the original message.
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Maybe we are not so much headed towards a sharp divide between desktop software and the web, but instead will see more seamless integration between the two.

You (well, some of you) are already using Gmail seamlessly as a web app, on your laptop, your mobile phone and your tablet. Each with their own unique interface, but each with the same metaphors. Same with Twitter, Facebook and a slew of other services.

I think the definition of what constitutes an 'app' is blurring. Web-apps, in-browser Chrome apps, browser add-ons, native apps, site-specific browsers, web-content inside native apps, native content inside web apps, the Chrome book, all of that has some app-ness… Some web apps don't need an internet connection any more. Some native apps are completely dependent on an internet connection. Which of these is the web app, then? It is really only that some apps are executed within the context of a browser and some are not. That says little about their web-awareness, though.
I don't understand this. Computers with Microsoft Windows installed can be bought in every city in the United States. They are so far ahead on the General Purpose computer install base it can still be considered legally a monopoly. I do all my development and work on a Mac, and I OWN A WINDOWS COMPUTER.
Shame all the innovation in email clients seems to be happening predominantly on the Mac. Havent seen any Windows versions of any of these kind of apps.

I wonder if we'll ever see an iPad version of anything like this, because i'd certainly be interested.
On a side note, this further cements the idea that its still worthwhile to disrupt boring or old markets if they havent had disruption for a long time.
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Turn this into a web interface, allow some emails to be retrieved by the public, and you've got another facebook clone!
Why can't it be many or all of these things?

I find it highly implausible that google has as strong a desire to form simple, narrow narratives around its strategy and ambitions as bloggers and the media do.
That would be recursive.
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Not the full feature set, unfortunately. Cygwin can't support passing file descriptors via Unix sockets, and so sadly, ControlMaster doesn't work there.

https://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1278

http://marc.info/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=108357562706575
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Ah, thanks. So most if not all the smarts were in the camera, not in the post-shooting graphic polish?
First, sorry to be 'sexist'

Apology not accepted. The over-200 that upvoted this are not all women; Tim O'Reilly is not woman.

We all agree with her assessment: that SV has become a place where people are not so much pushing the edges of technology but "innovating" new ways to make money with existing technology. The quotes are mine; that's not innovation.

Bob Marley once sang, "It's only machines that make man free." Progress is via expanded technology is a rising tide that will lift all boats. As computer scientists, it's our duty to explore what can be done, not what money can be made. It's our duty to expand the state of the technology, not the state of the industry. If you want to make money, be a dentist. If you want to innovate, get out of the valley, because it will corrupt you.
But it is very very easy to go over 250GB in a DAY, let alone a month.

250GB ÷ 15MB/sec = 4 hours 36 minutes

Doesn't it seem a little odd that you can blow through an entire month's service in less than a day?
I don't actually feel the need to change the world.

There are some things I enjoy tinkering with, and I've been involved in a couple of minor political causes, but I clearly don't feel the same urge that this person does to get out there and remake the world.

And so I am not likely to quit my job (which pays quite nicely, doesn't overstress me, and brings me the security to relax at the weekends and in the evenings) and go change the world.

I don't feel bad about that.
I am working on a web-based email client (https://ronomon.com) with offline access, instant boot, constant time search, and support for roughly four million emails. It takes some new approaches to threading, meta-discussions, multiple sources, attachments, and simple non-structured text to-do lists, and re-imagines the email client as a multiplayer rather than single-player tool. Could I let you know when it's ready?
Seems like the concept of providing more "human" or "natural" interaction between user and computer is becoming more and more pervasive, and Persona is just another example about that.

I don't know what to think about it. As a casual user, I like it. It make interaction with the computer effortless. On the other side, as a power user, I still like to Unix philosophy of small powerfull tools and an easy ways to combine and automate them.

I really hope someone will eventually find a way to mix both of those concepts and bring software to the next level.
Free tools for free books. Makes me think about ways of finding free books or ways of using free software that rivals expensive ones for writ in nice looking books. Instead I am directed to a website about the computer programming language Perl and as an aside some guy is working on a project. all you have to do is compile this and decompile that and... why?
I think you're being oversensitive, especially given that redthrowaway was responding to a comment which said, in part:

"There is however a difference in aptitude for running an early stage startup and building a business that will pay you $300K per year."

...which, at your level of sensitivity, is extremely insulting to the rather large number of people that own and manage the many small businesses that society relies on.
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Amazon ran Target.com's web store... They know well how to solve this problem because they already did it!

Complexity is a flimsy excuse for a giant like Amazon.
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I like what he is saying and what they are showing, but email and particularly this type of email client will be all about the small touches. I just can't get a sense for something like this until I feel it for myself.
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It's times like this that I wish HN was curated. It seems that everyday we get posts like this where some random person - "I'm a first time tech founder; I'm also a first time programmer." - conjures up a bunch of ideas supported only by their imagination.
Funny, all of that is in Gmail. (if you count IM/Buzz/G+ integration as part of 'multiple sources')
I didn't spot any panning at all - just how abruptly focus had changed. However, there were quite a few jumps where panning would have been more appropriate (imo). One trick to getting smooth pans with a cheap tripod is to use a rubber band around the handle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj6fMcJ18aA
Altruists International offers a slightly more nuanced definition than that single line from Wikipedia.

I don't think pedantry here will fundamentally change his argument.
I am not convinced it is that useful to have explicitly targeted audiences for advertisement. It may be better to understand and interpret an ad campaign, but generally, what works best when doing statistical prediction is not what is the most intuitive.

Also, even though your example is obviously not meant to be taken as is, it shows that targeted demographics quickly don't have a lot of data behind them. Successful stories in AI usually involves lots of averaged data with only little "focused" data to adapt your model quickly (e.g. as done in speech recognition where models are estimated on 1000s of hours from many speakers, and the model is then adapted for the one speaker to be recognized).

I think the value of the so called social graph for advertising is overestimated. IMO, what's interesting about facebook is more the amount and diversity of data than its personalized nature. But then, I have little knowledge about algo for advertisement targetting, maybe the situation is different than the domains I am familiar with.
...and neither should you. If you're happy where you are then you already have more than most.
The property you describe is attack resistance of trust metrics.

http://usenix.com/publications/library/proceedings/sec98/ful...
Maybe this is because Windows is still predominantly a business market (except for games), where feature lists are more important than elegance or simplicity. Hence Outlook and its kin.
I agree, quitting isn't for everybody. But one thing everybody can do is at least consider other options that fit with their risk profiles
People who feel some overwhelming need to Change The World are basically projecting: Their "world" (internal mental landscape, personal life, whatever) is in desperate need of an overhaul. (Edit: I know because this was me, say, 20 to 30 years ago. Then I fixed my personal crap. I no longer feel like lecturing everyone else about what they "should" be doing.)

I won't even read the piece. I skimmed it. This is the closing line: You should quit your job. But, sadly, you probably won't. (It feels like a kick in the gut to even read that much.) That and the title tell me all I need to know: This individual has poor boundaries and feels entitled to screw with other people and their lives due to his dissatisfaction.

Thank you so much for not being like him. You have absolutely nothing to feel bad about (so I am glad you don't). The world would be a better place if more people were, like you, basically happy with their lives and trying to do some little things to make the world better rather than trying to promote their own Final Solution and running around lecturing people on how they should live. As a general rule of thumb, I will read things that are titled "Why I did X" and won't read things titled "Why you should do X". He knows nothing about me or my life. It is hugely egomaniacal (not to mention delusional) to presume he knows what's best for me.

Peace.
I don't normally mind artsy but this is ridiculous. The video is zoomed, focused, and tilted to excess. Am I supposed to get a meaningful impression of it that way?
It's tough to use real data because it is subjective. All I am saying is one should at-least give oneself a chance to find out what that threshold is. The books that I recommended in that post helps in that. Also, the Pivotal tracker suggestion works for me. Probably it will work for others too. But, do people that mindlessly work even know it is necessary?
1) Build it. Concept videos are nice and all, but its vaporware till people can use it.

2) I think most people these days have switched to webmail in one form or another. Build this as a web app, not a strict desktop client. Also, as a web app its relatively easy these days to wrap it in a framework that will present it as a desktop app if someone wants to use it that way.
You think like a tech person:

- Google Engineer: If I'll better target demographics and increase conversion - I'll be able to raise my per ad price by 200%

- Ad Campaign Manager: better conversion rate? OK will pay max 15%-30% more per ad.

- Google AdSence Manager: we'll lose 80% of revenue if target narrow demographics - screw it
Apparently not necessarily well: http://www.sigur-ros.co.uk/media/homage-or-fromage.php

They might be wise to change the music.
Were they an "invest because they look like good people to invest in" choice then pg?
That wouldn't help if the backend controlling requisitions is what's compromised (as other comments possibly point to), but you're right, it doesn't sound like these guys have any clue about security at all.
Author makes some valid observations but misses something important.

Who's changing the real world today? People like Bill Gates, putting billions of dollars into the fight against malaria.

What process generated that wealth?
I don't think that's true. What I think is most important about this is that it tries, at least, to be transparent and fair. In my current company I've been exposed for the first time to how salaries are chosen, and in many cases it's almost totally arbitrary, or worse. It's certainly based far less than I would like (and far less than I expected) on the person's ability to do their job. The biggest beneficiary of a system as proposed by the OP are people who are good at their jobs (not friends of the boss, better negotiators, prettier, etc).
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What actual search results became worse for users as a result of these changes? Anyone got examples?

If this is a matter of certain SEO-reliant websites being sent to the back of the line and not being able to figure out how to cut in front of everyone else again, well, good.

And the Google index is still plenty spammy, as we discussed just recently on HN. There was also an article about lead generation sites crowding out genuine local businesses for searches like "locksmith emergency portland". Google needs to be trying more changes, not less.

EDIT: oh, read some replies down the thread and feel the love for the SEO guys. I get it - heavy SEO and outright search engine spam at this point is more annoying than email spam ever was.

Here is a message for the SEOers: "Nobody wants to hear you complain. Nobody cares. Nobody sympathizes." I say we google-bomb that and make it the first result for "SEO". [That was a joke.]
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In the strictest sense, a web-app is an app that runs "in any browser", accessible through a URL; a native app one that runs "in a specific operating system".

Requiring Internet access or not has nothing to do with it.

For example, an OS X native app wouldn't run in Linux (at least as easily as a Linux native app would). A web app would.
Right, it would require a lot of discipline in that case - I was wondering how strictly they stick to it, too. The problem is, if they've intentionally defined a totally rigid system (for good reasons, IMO) then even a slight deviation from that undermines the whole thing.
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I don't think we can take Phygg to be a proven model. There's a wider issue of how new gatekeepers can be established for such a new model.
But we need this new blood.
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That promised land of perfect health at high age is not here yet, though. It's a nice perspective, but no guarantee.
Did you read the Richard Smith article he linked to?

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In physics at least, a substantial proportion of peer-review goes via arXiv first anyway, so it's not really an either-or. In many cases, the real peer-review happens when people see a new paper in their area on arXiv, they send in comments or challenges, etc. to the authors, and in the best case, by the time a journal article is submitted for formal peer review, many of the relevant peers have already reviewed and helped improve it.

Some mathematicians have also gotten pretty active in using blogs and wikis for peer review and even actively doing research. I don't expect journals to go away, but I wouldn't be too surprised if there are some areas of the sciences where they become more of a formal archival service: where papers go to be filed on shelves once the real action/review/dissemination has already happened.
Not necessarily, have a look at RazorEngine - this is a standalone dll that lets you use Razor anywhere
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The concept video is very annoying because of the 'arty' way it's been filmed. They have shown three ideas: sort mail by sender, sort by conversation and show me all attachments. So far, so good. What they haven't mentioned is any form of search functionality or foldering. Looking at my inbox right now I see a set of separate conversations from different people about the same topic (in this case, OSCON). What you want to get on top of email is automatic foldering (pet topic) so that you get an intelligent view of your email.

What's shown in the video seems to be pretty basic wrapped up in a flowery dress to make it look like something amazing. I can believe that people would appreciate clean email interfaces, but this seems like it doesn't take into account real world stuff like figuring out who's cc:ed on a message or what the subject line is, or what happens when an exchange of messages stops being between two people and starts being between three or more.
If advertisement is paid per click, and not per impression, Google itself is interested in better targeting of what to display to whom, because it frees up inventory without impacting revenue.
Do you currently support any database? Because according to your FAQ you don't, that makes testing an app a bit hard.

But it does indeed look very nice if you can get at least some native extensions working, that would make it very simple to test an app.

Are there plans for an web based view on the tests and progress of your tests?
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Kin? There's just outlook these days.
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Although it's tempting to just quit to pursue your dream, I would advise against it until you have put your financial life in order and save up some money. It's called a fuck-you fund for a reason.
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