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Kagan's mistake here wasn't that it was offensive. I don't think there was a rational reason for anyone besides his ex-girlfriends to get offended about this and there's no point in bothering with people who look for reasons to be offended.

His mistake was that this made him look petty and childish ("Oh look at me, I'm in front of people so now I can call people I'm mad at names!") while serving no positive purpose.
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I wouldn't mind if it was a women for example. If it's a guy, I'd at least go have a chat with him

What a world we live in. Not that I disagree with you, but what a world.
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http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2756870
The question was whether 'serious people' use something other than plain text files.

The answer is yes, they do. And honestly I have no idea what this is about since a .txt resume would look like rather bleak.

Your answer seems to be about something else. When I email a MS Office document to a prospective employer, they do not get 'mangled crap'. Why would they? I'm not talking about recruiters or the lousy job sites the rest of the thread is about.
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Can you tell us why you balked? Market size?
Isn't it actually the case that this book was written as part of his work at Google and therefore they OWN the copyright of the book? At least that is what I make out of this.
Few months ago I launched (yet) another website to find people with whom to speak a foreign language: http://witmeet.com.

I have not done any publicity so far. The target is different than Verbling. The main idea is to find people around your location and meet in-person.

Witmeet is still under development as I'm the only developer, you know, the pain of finding co-founders.

All the best for the Verbling Team!
I was with you right up until you called it terrorism. The point of terrorism is political change through fear, this guy is just an asshole.
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Meetingburner is a great product, but their website has very critical security flaws which may expose all user data. This could include all your beta signups.

I've already contacted MB via twitter and mail, let's hope I can reach out to the right person to resolve these issues. It's been a some time since I've seen such vulnerabilities in a startup.
amazing guy. thanks for sharing this.
Given that high code coverage numbers (85% +) have historically resulted in significantly fewer code defects in projects, why should we try to have fewer UTs and move away from TDD? I generally prefer to pay the quality cost upfront and not have to bother with debugging weeks or months down the line.

And yes, obviously unit testing doesn't diminish the importance of integration / system testing.
You can't work there and not be influenced (at least somewhat) by stuff like that.
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Ask HN: Is this a bad time to join Google?
Seems like every week there's a new blog post about someone's reasons for leaving Google. People say Google has gotten sluggish, political, bureaucratic, etc. There's a potential availability bias here, because happy people staying where they are tend not to write blog posts about it. Nevertheless, there's some kind of exodus from Google, and going in the opposite direction of all those smart, entrepreneurial folks feels a little weird. In addition to the actual experience of working at Google, I'm also curious about people's future perceptions. That is, will people who join Google in 2011 be seen as people who got in when the bar was lower?

I'd like to hear people's thoughts on whether this is a good time to join Google or not. Not just Googlers and Xooglers; I'm interested in everyone's opinions. Thanks!
Just finished "I'm Feeling Lucky" by Douglas Edwards
And it's the book about Google i always wanted to read. Books like "In The Plex: How Google Thinks, Works, and Shapes Our Lives" and "What Would Google Do?" and the like is written by professional journalists/writes telling a story their target audience (you - the technophilia) wants to read. Douglas Edwards on the other hand just tells the story of an early google employe (his story) - and that's what i actually want to read (ok, he is not an engineer, "just" marketing - but good enough)

Here are some fun facts that i as an professional Google stalker (it's a living) found interesting:

the google toolbar green page rank bar is indeed just a bait to turn on the "advanced" features that communicate all your pageviews to google. that is nothing new, but it was a conscious decision when they developed their product.

marissa mayer seems to be ... hard to work with and she really thinks that everything she does, she does for the users.

there are/were different factions inside google on what to do with (i.e.: how long to store) user data.

google did not come this far because it's a nice company, as a matter of fact they hired the most ruthless negotiators they could find.

sergy rules.

if the founder were not overruled CPC adwords and adsense would not have happened.

the original pagerank algorithm was already faded out 2002/2003.

according to paul bucheit (creator gmail) orkut failed not because of bad technology, but because of 'tech snobbery' - yeah, the tec. behind orkut was bad, but if google would have decided to do "everything to make this thing work" then it would have worked - but as the engineers just deemed orkut "not scalable" and let the original rot and worked on a new version instead (and wasted precious time).

they really worry about bad PR.

it's a good book.
And if I remember correctly that linked to just a video of how dropbox works, without Drew actually having a working product (but you couldn't see that on the video).
That's a fair point. But it's still probably preferable to them using their talents to design increasingly convoluted financial instruments for ripping off suckers ... which is the other thing the most talented members of this generation seem to be doing.
To enhance privacy further, I hope they will provide a way for people to use an artificial animated face and voice in hangouts:

https://plus.google.com/102027212307619239744/posts/4iV2fcm2...
Why would anyone want to be on the cutting edge of a very uncertain technology development.

To push forward the state of the art? Sure, you can wait for someone else to do it for you, but you give up quite a lot in doing so. Namely: you pay a premium for the technology having not taken the risk, you lack local expertise with the technology as it was developed externally, you will suffer knock-on effects in unrelated areas as research and development resources move to where there is demonstrated ease of funding. Note that you suffer the last one regardless of whether the investment is actually successful.
Awesome story, and a great lesson to all out there (current parents or otherwise)–kids know a lot more than many initially think.

Like this guy letting his kid run the show in the store, my parents gave me freedom with computers (old Macs that some schools were throwing out) when I was growing up, knowing that they could fix whatever it is I might happen to break, and that's given me the confidence throughout my childhood and up to the present day to always experiment and try new project ideas, knowing that mistakes can be fixed.

Given his parent's awesomeness, I'm sure Guy has seen similar benefits with having had the freedom to make project choices typically restricted to adults.
this is it http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2749467
I have to agree with you on this one.

This isn't a case where someone had the book thrown at them because they did magical computer stuff. This is a case where someone got the book thrown at them because they were a dangerous asshole that went around ruining people's lives and was good enough at it that he would not have been caught most of the time.

This clearly isn't his first offense, he has no remorse, does not accept responsibility, is a proven liar, and seems very likely to do all of this again. If I have any qualms, it's the fact that 239 months of prison is very expensive, but I'm not sure that there are any better solutions in a case like this. After all, I would expect him to target the judge and other court staff after something like this, for example, in addition to the people he was already trying to frame.
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When there's a massive bubble frothing money all over the place, it probably pays to take advantage of it.
It has visible short to medium turn returns? I don't do SEO, but it seems like it's a case where you can do some analysis, engineering and tuning, then fairly immediately see some results.

Beats the pants of slower cycle stuff where you need to work for months on the assumption that all your planning and resourcing will actually produce something that is sustainable.
Well, if you really want an undergrad option, there's one in Delhi :)

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Indeed, I'd overlooked Adams' phrasing "I wrote the book in collaboration with Google". That implies some sort of formal co-authorship or sponsorship/branding was previously agreed upon, though probably not that the whole thing is a Google-owned work product.

That definitely makes for a more messy analysis, especially if parts were written on company time and had contributions/review from Google coworkers.
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It's weird. I was /there/ in 1995 and I have trouble even remembering Windows 95 came on floppies. I feel old.
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If only I had more upvotes to give. This is the kind of story I come to HN for.
So did I! chattrr.net - code is there too

Seems like a fairly standard node thing to do!
Generally speaking, I agree with you. I down voted though because it's a silly statement to make when you really think about it in a more dynamic way:

* Perspective is subjective
* SEO isn't everything you think it is

I'm an engineer and I'm actually building an SEO company; "SEO" (I really hate that acronym) is many different things. For some people it's a slimy practice, for other people it is marketing but on the internet ("Internet Marketing" and "SEO" pretty much go hand in hand these days).

You might even be interested to know that YC funded an SEO startup (http://www.ginzametrics.com) - they are an SEO tools company (my competitor).

So, can you love SEO? Sure you can, as an engineer, building useful SEO tools is rife with fun and interesting problems. Just gotta change your perspective a bit.

BUT I agree with you in that on a big philosophical whole, SEO is not something I will be doing my whole life; matter of fact I see it as a stepping stone to interests that matter to my spirit and not just my intellect (interesting engineering problems) and my ego (money and stuff).
I certainly agree with you there, the latter alternative is much worse.
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may become:

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Nearly choked when I saw this one. Wish I never have to look for bugs in a language with such syntax.
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Um, what's the difference? Targeted online advertising involves enough research talent and money to make it not totally unlike an "increasingly convoluted financial instrument".
just posted my review of the book here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2758179 (hint: i recommend it, as a matter of fact it's the only book about google worth reading (well, up to now - and yeah, i have read them all, i'm a freak)
Yea, it was called DMF, also used for Office 4.2 floppies for example.
It is always a good time to join Google, and even more now when Larry Page is in charge. He is in the same league as Steve Jobs wrt being forward-looking, but less known due to lower public profile.

All companies with more than 1 person have or get issues - also Google - but the willingness and ability to measure and fix issues is probably much higher within Google than most sizable companies.

note: I am a xoogler and worked there for 4 years.
It's a big place. Not all of it will be good, and not all of it will be bad. I guess the question is: are you feeling lucky?

Sorry, sorry. But seriously, if entrepreneurial folks seem to be bailing (and that is my own observation), will that bother you? Maybe you just want to maintain a bunch of systems which were built by someone else. Some people clearly find that sort of thing fulfilling. There are buildings chock-full of them.

Have you ever worked in a big company before? You might want to go just to learn what it's like. You can learn a lot about what really makes people tick, including yourself.
Now that is determination. Respect to the man. May greater things come your way.
I ran through the list until page 14 or something and started to see so many people from Japan, wasn't expecting it.
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Yeah, and I bet they lock their houses when they leave for work and that's like not open at all!
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I think it's more the prima dona aspect that I'd expect will put people off wanting to work with you.
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"What this guy did is no different from trying to destroy someone... in more conventional ways" is exactly the point. If someone did exactly the same things in conventional ways, he should still get the same sentence, and he probably would have.
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Thanks for your thoughts. How long ago did you leave? What did you leave to do? (Please be as vague as you feel you need to in order to preserve your anonymity.)
It's not exactly clear, but it doesn't sound like it was sent to their registered DMCA contact, either.

In short, it really looks like someone was rattling sabers and is miffed that the other side didn't quietly fold, because they know they've got a weak hand.
I worked there from September 2005-September 2009. I co-founded a startup.
Some of the stuff Wolfram worked on was neat, but I really don't care for the self-aggrandizing tone of everything he writes. He comes off as having a nasty superiority complex.
Are you seriously using the words "fame" and "famous" without sarcasm there?

Perhaps "well known within certain programming communities" would be more apt.
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With this change, how do you prevent anonymous trolls in hangouts?
iOS5 will be worth trying again if only for the reason that it (finally) brings incremental updates. No more 900mb beasts, after the initial update.
I one-hundred percent agree with your comment. It's all about the learning process and what makes you curious to learning something more on a topic. Doing forced projects is a quick way to burn yourself out if you are not completely interested.
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Is that what used to be called alpha test?
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Just have to say that your assessment of things was refreshingly unromantic and honest - founding a startup won't solve your boredom issue. There's still work to be done.
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If that is the case you have your lawyers on a very sloppy retainer.

Going outside the terms of a retainer is classed as professional misconduct where I'm from. A lawyer should not take any action on your behalf without, at the very least, implicit instructions to do so.
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> If someone did exactly the same things in conventional ways, he should still get the same sentence, and he probably would have.

Huh? I never said anything to the contrary?
I've loved SEO with every fiber of my being for close to a decade. It's an absolutely phenomenal field filled with complexity, challenges, rewards for creativity, attention to metrics and execution. It's hard to find or imagine a business endeavor that produces such remarkable return, nor one that has so many interesting elements (the detective work of uncovering why a site's rankings went up/down, the excitement of a content marketing play, the variety of tactics that can be used to approach a challenge).

How can anyone NOT love SEO? That's the more salient question.
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The way you worded it before, you made it sound like you couldn't sue over a copyright that was transferred to you. I don't believe that's true.

What is being said in the Rightshaven case is that you can't transfer just the right to sue without giving them any of the exclusive rights protected by copyright. I believe that, had they transferred the whole copyright, or at least some of the exclusive rights protected by the copyright, Rightshaven would have had standing to sue.

In short, I believe that bluedanieru's formulation is the correct one. IANAL, though, and this kind of stuff turns on hair-splitting interpretations of words.
I wonder if there's any way to avoid this if you happen to be an employee # < threshold.

It's an interesting problem - you can't just endorse the idea because the whole point is to create a culture where good ideas can thrive regardless of whether they're endorsed by a Big Important Person. Ultimately, it's like the scene in Life of Brian where Brian's telling everyone to think for themselves, and they just parrot his words back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQqq3e03EBQ

I get the impression that the employees with # < threshold would actually prefer this, but when it comes to what people actually allocate their time to, the vast majority of employees are far more willing to devote it to what top brass thinks is important than what brilliant peer thinks is important. It's a shame, too - the biggest benefit of working at Google is that your peers are incredibly smart, and most people recognize that and verbally say that those ideas should get more air time, and yet when it comes to allocating actual engineering time, people generally work on what they're supposed to.

There's probably a selection bias at work as well - people who don't like taking orders from the top generally don't work as an employee of large companies, which means that the majority of employees do like taking orders from the top.
What a delightfully simple, useful and beautiful app. Great name and THANK YOU for making the easiest sign up form in the world.

I almost didn't try to register because I neither have an iPhone nor a Mac. But I filled out the form anyway and realised it works through any web browser too. I think you might want to mention that it is a web app too.
Can't really knock him for it though. His accomplishments are inspiring.
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Some commenters on google+ are saying he might have signed a NDA. Isn't that the case?
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Friend of mine posts ideas in http://fundprojectswith.me/ There ideas are easily converted to projects with less dollars (500-1000).

I'm going to post these ideas there now:)
Good call. Though for multi-word messages, you'd have to do something like:

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As an engineer building an SEO company, I can think of plenty of reasons NOT to love SEO. Every coin has two sides (which is, effectively, what I said in the other comment) :)
OT: I'm not sure, if HN is programmed in a way that "Zed Shaw" will always appear on front page.
I wouldn't be so negative about it being 'yet another clone'.
You've created a product that fulfils a need. The fact that others have produced similar products demonstrates there is a viable market. You've targeted a specific need with the download option which presumably you see as under served.

I tried the web demo but as others have mentioned it's not working at the moment.

I do have some comments on the website itself. I find the homepage a little confusing. Clicking 'Home' take me to 'Wireframe and Mockups', which is actually the homepage. I'd move 'About' and 'blog' links to the end of the nav, as they are less important to a potential customer. The features and benefits can probably do without the shaded background - use a larger heading and they will stand out on their own, while reducing clutter.

I'm interested to see how the 'portable server' approach goes. I can see the appeal of self-hosting options for larger companies, but I suspect the personal users will be less technical, business types who don't want to worry about a local web server. Hosting the app for them will cut down on your support requests, so why not sell online access to personal users for $77 and the enterprise, self-hosted package for more (say, $299)?
It is. You're just not drinking the SV Kool-aid. :)
Ask HN: Where did your second customer come from?
Tonight I confirmed my first sale for a product that I've been thinking about for a while. The product hasn't been built yet but the customer is keen to collaborate and help me get it off the ground. Obviously the first iteration will be very strongly influenced by this customer's requirements.

I'm keen for this not to be a one-off but I have a limited number of friends whose employers might need this kind of document-generation tool.

If you've bootstrapped a product like this, where did your second customer come from?