skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Totally with you on that. The point you make is the key where there's no risk for being wrong. You have no skin in the game you can be a armchair, in the stands commentator, who doesn't actually have to get any results, and you're not wearing it for any choices or for the accuracy of what you're saying. Combine that with ego and the desire to lord it over other people by pretending they're idiots and I think you have a large part of the explanation for how people interact about this.

This dynamic is not confined to this topic obviously but I think it's kind of a tragedy because it would be interesting and great to see some real logical scientific investigation of this stuff you know from all different actors, just like it would to see real investigation of parapsychological phenomenon, but there's too much craziness, stigma and exactly what you said involved for that to happen easily I think.

That to me is a tragedy and major missed opportunity for us humans to learn something to push forward our knowledge at the frontier of what we understand, in the place where science should really excel, and should really be able to be like a shield to go beyond our limitations of ego, group think and emotion... it's the exact place where in these topics it's the weakest.

So the very things that we could understand more about that are so interesting it's like we've crippled ourselves from doing that because of our mass psychology and however these topics have been manipulated by whoever.
> Not sure this is true if you're looking at free-range though. There are many places which are not very amenable to growing crops fit for human consumption, but are more than adequate for growing the grasses that ruminant digestive systems (e.g. cows) can easily digest.

Exactly. It's not like animal husbandry and meat-eating developed as some kind of ostentatious wasteful consumption. It's a way of converting inedible plants into edible meat.
The bigger problem is that without exclusivity, it’s not compelling.

Outside of music, audio is always the loser mass media. Radio 1.0 atrophied when TV became affordable. The second generation of shock and right wing talk radio is eroding away to more extreme social media and hyper targeted podcasts. Where does clubhouse fit other than a more niche, locked down spin on a podcast.
Whilst the environmental and animal welfare benefits of many of the ‘fake’ meats (Beyond, Impossible, Vegetarian Butcher, etc) are noble and important, in the spirit of ‘full’ lifecycle analysis, it is important to also consider just how processed (ultra processed) these products are and the potential impacts this has in the human health domain.

And the research on ultra processed foods is rather clear, they are ‘bad’ for human health in large quantities.

Some alternatives that are better for the environment AND for human health include: pulled oats from Finland, and fake cheese products made from beans (rather than tree nuts).

Edit: Added… simple tip, read the ingredient list and count the number of ingredients used.
> they require no violence against animals.

While I sympathise with the argument, I think that it's a mistake to push this aspect front and centre.

There's a whole lot of people out there who simply like eating meat, and that it means killing an animal is not particularly a problem.

The people I've spoken to about Beyond/Impossible and similar fake-meats all tend to think of it as something for vegans/vegetarians, because that's how this type of product has been presented for decades.

"Oh, you're having a BBQ? Fred's partner is a veggo, better chuck on some mushroom burgers or something"

It's a tough push to convince people that this isn't meant for vegans/vegetarians wanting meat, but a product for meat-eaters wanting to reduce their meat intake, but not necessarily wanting to give up their ability to have meals that taste like what they're used to.

Pushing from that angle, I would argue, is likely to have a bigger impact than saying "Think of the poor cow that had to get murdered for your burger!".
> as the animals you are eating are fed and raised on plants

The animals I'm eating aren't fed by slash-and-burn soya or insecticide-grown vegetables.

> animals tend to migrate out of fields during harvesting,

Farmers don't deal with rodents and other pests by encouraging them to migrate.
There is such a thing, for example the slaughtering of an animal for food.
Sometimes I wonder if our expectations regarding frequency of sex get bolstered out of control by mass media pushing the idea that we need more sex to feel loved, in an attempt to sell plastic surgery or lingerie or penis-enlargement pills. There is a need for sex, but you certainly can't expect good sex, every time, all the time. That all to say: I'm not sure this is an actual problem than it is one crafted by one's own sexual expectations and even communication.

It also ignores the reality of people who are asexual or simply have no interest in sex. I have a comparatively low sex drive where maybe I'll want to have sex once a month. My partner and I used to have sex every week for 2 years or so, but people change, and I've taken up a lot of hobbies so sex just gets forgotten. It's at the very bottom of my priority list and has been for years. At the same time, I made sure to communicate this with my partner with the reassurance that sex != strength of love. They thought about it, the long-term implications of it, and came back to me saying they were fine with a changed sex schedule. As a contingency, we both agreed that if either party wanted to have sex, they would bring it up with the other person and that request would be fulfilled.

My partner and I value each other for our collective memories, compatibility, personality, etc. something that would be incredibly difficult and in fact, short-sighted, to replace simply because "we don't do sex good." Neither of us see our sex drives as an issue, simply because we don't prioritize sex as much as other relationship-building activities. I also have several asexual friends they are capable of living fulfilling lives either masturbating or not engaging in any sex at all. Some friends are too busy out and about and see sex as a thing they checked off their bucket list. A one-and-done experience that they've moved on from.
I was using this a lot. Pretty good and no-nonsense :)
If its close enough and the price is lower, people should naturally just choose the cheaper option. If something is 50 percent more energy efficient, surely it could be 50 percent cheaper.
Google "why businesses fail" and there's a lot of information.
you are focusing on the 50 and not the 400,000. so now that you established yourself as a troll, I really dont care to convince you of anything.

> "I'm not convinced the economy wouldn't have declined if we hadn't locked down"

I didnt say the economic decline is solely linked to the lock downs, I dont think anyone ever has. however, no one with half a brain would ever argue the lockdowns were so much worse.

> "The economic decline is likely behind the increase in murders"

Not likely, the last severe economic decline (great recession) didnt see such large spikes in violence. school closures are part of the lock-down.

> "I'd love to see a source, as I haven't seen a single bit of evidence suggesting anything like that."

That data is freely available from cdc.gov
Chicago needs seawalls to keep Lake Michigan out.
> I can promise you it wasn't cows.

It was probably buffalo.
Other people have linked direct stats in this thread, and I encourage looking around at them. But also, just think about your theory in the abstract for a second.

Less than one full generation has passed since redlining was made illegal. It's been less than 60 years since segregation was ruled illegal across the board.

Do you really believe that the entirety of society has been reshaped in that amount of time and every negative system has been eliminated? In what is essentially less than the lifespan of a single generation?

People treat the civil rights movement like it's this very old event that we've all moved past. I don't necessarily blame people for having that perspective, because that's the way we're taught about it in schools. But the civil rights movement was very recent.

You think we overhauled the entire housing market in 60 years? We have not yet had even a single president that was born after the civil rights movement. So from my perspective, even ignoring the stats and research on this subject, I keep hearing people tell me that when the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or the voting rights act of 1965 passed, all the racists just, I don't know, died or something. That they can't possibly exist anymore, and they can't possibly have taught anything negative to their immediate kids who went on to be CEOs and politicians.
Curious if anyone has tips on ADHD and jobs based around billable hours that require detailed time tracking. I find timers extremely difficult and stressful, and I've taken to writing down what I've done each day as I work, along with timestamps.
>the king paid locals to help cause "crimes against humanity"

That's actually not true. King Leopold forbade his soldiers from using indigenous fighting and torture practices, but some divisions with black commanders continued the practice against the king's orders. Leopold was criticized in the Belgian press for allowing black officers to command as those atrocities were viewed as a foreseeable outcome of such policy.
Yeah there aren’t three fixed points of either disbelief, true middle ground, or belief. It’s a spectrum and I fall more towards the disbelief point in this case, but that doesn’t stop me from critically evaluating the possibility that I’m on the wrong end of the spectrum
Just want to point out:

As it is implemented currently, the “Tip Jar” is literally just a list of hyperlinks. Clean hyperlinks, even.

If you need a handy example for trying it out: I’m @NeoYokel

I entered every link except CashApp because I don’t have that.

(DO NOT PAY ME. This is not a sly attempt to get you extremely wealthy hn readers to send me unsolicited cash.)
Meat allergies certainly exist. Meet Alpha-Gal syndrome:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/alpha-gal-syn...
It's pretty close. If faux beef is 100 per X, and real beef is 5,000 per X, then faux beef is 98% of real beef.
> This is basically the soul theory

No, it's really not. It's a thought experiment using a clearly fictitious mechanism to get the reader to consider what their experience might be like in completely different circumstances.

For the same reason It's A Wonderful Life and scifi about alternate universes don't have moot points.
I used that B compiler on a Honeywell GCOS mainframe in the late 1970s and early 1980s. It was a blindingly fast compiler written at University of Waterloo by a Brazilian named Reinaldo Braga. Still available from a Canadian company named Thinkage. The Honeywell 6000 series used 36 bit words.

C was needed because the byte-addressed PDP-11 was a bad fit for the word oriented B language. See https://archive.org/details/bstj57-6-1991 for details.
You might be thinking of the Reddit guidelines, where this rule is famously never observed.
It is not squeamishness. I have killed animals for food with my own hands and being part of people killed in war. I would like to not do it when I have the opportunity.
Can this model be used in a closed loop, with a different fluid for refrigeration?
I think that’s really cool, and I appreciate then “whenever it is an option” but. It’s so easy to see it as a black and white issue rather than a continuum where small actions make a large impact. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
BLM Terrorist Violently Attacks Asian Father Pushing 1yo in Stroller in SF
Disagree.

I am similar to you in where I am in my career, also similar profile in terms of how I got here, but I don't agree with you. I think this is a natural cycle and it shouldn't be sold as an insight or a learning.

Learning compounds, so if you spend an extra hour at 20 that is like a 1000 hours when you are 40. It is what it is. You have to balance at all times so as to not go over the edge, and loose touch with the feeling of meaning. So I don't regret burning myself from both ends at 20.

I have a kid now, and a family. Things are different, as much if not more fun. But I wouldn't want this life for my 20 year old version. He found meaning and growth in the trenches.
Not everyone agrees with you that raising a farm animal and killing it is in and of itself a form of violence. Certainly many forms of factory farming are absolutely abhorrent and should be eliminated, but saying that what many farmers who raise cattle, chicken, pork and a variety of animals, and do so with respect and care are engaging in a form of cruelty and violence is not an opinion everyone shares.

An animal lives a life that's part of a cycle, it's born, it grows, it has experiences and serves various purposes/functions over the course of its life, and then it dies. The fact of that animal's eventual death is not in and of itself violent, every animal eventually dies.

So how do animals die? They either die from predation, disease, or in this case from a farmer putting it to death; virtually no mammals ever die from reaching their maximum life span out in the wild and the idea that in the absence of farming you'd have cattle and pigs living free and full lives in the wild is simply not a reflection of any real-world environment.

I think it's incorrect to focus on one single aspect of raising a farm animal, its death at the hands of a farmer, and using that as sole characteristic of what it takes and what it means to raise a farm animal and judge the entire system based on that one act.

I can respect your point of view and I think we'd agree that alternatives that are more environmentally friendly and sustainable are a win, but I can't agree with you that as a matter of principle, raising a farm animal and then killing it is intrinsically violent.
There have been a few notable hacks to exchanges, Binance, for example [1]. The DAO hack on the Ethereum network, which caused the fork of Ethereum and Ethereum classic, is also notable [2].

I do think the fact that there hasn't been a successful attack on the Bitcoin network is an example of how resilient it is. Safely securing $1 trillion in value on a decentralized network that hasn't been hacked in over a decade of operation, when as you said, it's probably a top-level target, is pretty amazing.

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/08/binance-bitcoin-hack-over-40...

[2] https://www.gemini.com/cryptopedia/the-dao-hack-makerdao
> Perhaps, it would lead to the advent of wild cattle in the California hills, as land owners stop caring.

Which would be an invasive species.
> But the most important thing about them, and the reason I urge everyone to at least _try_ Beyond Burgers, is they require no violence against animals.

In my opinion, the most important thing is that it is considerably better for the environment due to the reduction in emissions, water and land. Don't get me wrong, no violence against animals is a benefit too, but to me it's not the number one reason to try imitation meat.
The cow that you ate today most likely lived its whole life in a cage no much bigger than its body, inside a huge facility reeking of feces and death and ate an atrocious diet, only to be killed at the perfectly calculated time to maximize profit.

I'm a meat eater. Heck, I hunt (and eat what I hunt) and even I can tell you that your argument is ridiculous.
This is kind of it.

I also find it a frustrating American-centric/urban-centric point of view that 'killing animals is bad', when I (among others) have grown up in areas where it's a basic part of life to farm/hunt meat for survival.
Fauci funded the Wuhan lab. Fauci needs to be executed for treason.
If I owned a company I would refuse to hire graduates from MIT, Harvard, and Stanford. It's much more likely that you were good at lying than at studying if you went there, and I don't have time to teach the basics.
I'd argue that neither of those example networks (Ferrari owners or credit card holders) are exclusive because you can just join them with money.
Its the difference between static and dynamic wear leveling. Static wear leveling will shuffle around the data in static blocks to even out the program-erase cycles.
I was poking holes in the absolutism of the GP’s argument, not arguing as you suggest.
The "living" argument is interesting. What about nature itself that eats each other, that is meat.

Lab grown meat would be something.
The “hardness” I’m talking about is not technical difficulty it’s the political difficulty. Sure I could have found other solutions but the acceptable solution for a tool that I can hand over to “the business” must cost $0 and only use authorised applications installed by IT. So that leaves Excel. That’s just the way it is unfortunately.

And yes they make up lots of shit. I don’t. I just make the best of a bad situation for people who need to get shit done despite the stupid policies.
The way cows get plant matter is a lot less environmentally costly than the way humans get plant matter. Their standards are a lot lower than ours. Humans don't like to eat scrub-brush and corn husks.
> Digital marketing performance is increasingly measurable

Yes, I believe this is true. But also, I've heard that payouts per impression are going down precipitously. Desperate news sites are chock full of heavy ads because each impression pays less and less. Popular Youtube channels increasingly run their own integrated promotional content instead of depending on youtube ad revenue which keeps falling, even as viewership rises.

It's reasonable to suspect that as ad performance becomes perfectly measurable, payouts to content creators will asymptotically approach zero, because most ads don't work. Consumers spend most of their time looking at ads that don't work at all. That the occasional well crafted and placed ad does work isn't much consolation.
> I still haven’t seen any evidence that these events are anything but coincidence

My feeling here is that it's just like when someone in your family buys a particular make/model of car, you start noticing the same car on the road and are surprised that you never noticed how many of them there are.

That same ad for a set of Bose headphones might show up in your feed once a week, but one of those days you just happen to have a conversation about headphones with a friend, and it feels weird.

The paranoia in me sometimes wants to believe that my phone is listening to me all the time and is extracting ad keywords from everything I say, but I have a hard time figuring out how it would work.

Uploading voice clips, even using a good compressor like Opus, would still be noticeable. Maybe not by me, personally, but someone would have noticed that by now. Doing on-device voice recognition is possible (uploads of compressed text might not be noticeable), but my intuition is that would be a huge drain on the battery if it was running all day, processing everything it hears.

But who knows. Maybe it is possible, and there's a novel, but secret technology that enables it. It's a little far-fetched, though, I think.
CORRECTION: The Venmo link is not clean. Here’s the tracking meta (which is revealing lol):
‘ txn=pay&amount=1.00&note=Spaces ‘
Do you have any cites for that data? What is success defined as? I've heard that causation thrown around lately but have never seen the actual study.

I can see it at the extremes, meaning Martha's Vineyard and Compton perhaps as examples of positive and negative predictors. I haven't visited either, so I wouldn't know first hand. The vast, vast majority of zip codes aren't the extreme by definition. In my zip code, there are both wealthy people in million dollar properties as well as HUD housing and the majority somewhere in between.
I'm generally surprised no one brings up the negative health benefits of processed foods. It is not healthier to get rid of meat only to replace it with high salt chemically processed food that tastes like meat.

It seems like we are going backwards.

You know what uses less greenhouse emissions, less water and less land? The orginal plant based food that gets processed into a beyond burger.

If you really care about the planet why are you buying processed anything? That get's shipped nationwide / worldwide that creates factories, chemical waste, greenhouse gases. Buying locally and growing locally really helps the planet. Going to burger king and getting an absolute burger instead of a whooper is just pretending.
Reminded of this Twitter thread from a couple months ago about how this will all go down: https://twitter.com/ShaanVP/status/1371972261004070913
Nearly 1 in 3 new stores opening in the US is a Dollar General
These "Mighty is bad" arguments are actually arguments in support of Mighty.

They are arguing that technology shouldn't need Mighty. The mere fact they are complaining about the state of the world means that there is a problem that needs solving.
Pure merit means stratification based on unequal access to resources, genes, or upbringing. It isn't surprising that the elite makes it to the top.

Meritocracy isn't exactly egalitarianism.
Biden Backs Waiving International Patent Protections for Covid-19 Vaccines
Plants to animal to you is 10% efficiency. That cow needs to eat 10 lbs of plant to get the nutrients you’d get from 1 lb.
I don't know about Rove, but Gingrich is famous for his love of the animal kingdom, and the fact that he views life and politics through that lens (a lens that is, imho, both very inaccurate, and a very obvious rationalization of the damage his life's work has caused, but nonetheless).
Learning how to make eggs Benedict in a large plane flying at low altitude between skyscrapers in a city while somehow connected to 5G. Hmm.
Thanks for the Quora link, there is some very interesting comments there.
> The choices are deliberately wide.

I'm not saying they are too wide. I'm saying they are framed to show the situation positively. If you ask, 'what portion of the U.S. population has been infected with Coronavirus?' and present these options:

10%
25%
40%

The correct answer (~10%; I don't know exactly) looks positive - it's the lowest number. The following options have the opposite effect (IMHO):

1%
2%
10%
What is your view on lions, tigers, bears and other meat eating species?
Windows with a Yubikey is like this, most particularly in Edge. It'll accept your key once but you'll have trouble using it again. It'll tell you that it doesn't recognise the key.

Some bullshit with Windows Hello, I'm sure, since using a hardware key in the browser triggers it.
“ too much repetition and filler material”

That describes a lot of popular business, psychology and science books. I don’t really understand why authors feel pressure to fill hundreds of pages. A lot of books would be much better if they got to the point in 50 pages.
Let's not overlook the fact that most cows raised in massive farms are fed a horrible diet and most beef based products - even raw beef - are also processed and have additives.

I'm not saying that Beyond Burger is better or worse, but that pretending all beef is healthy is kind of silly.
Can a drain plug "come out" without human intervention? If someone wants to sink my boat, they might want to trash the monitor first...
> More crops are grown to feed the livestock than people

This is entirely misleading. More plant biomass goes to animals than people, but very little of it is human-edible and much of it consists of byproducts of human plant consumption (e.g. corn husks).

You hear this BS all the time e.g. with soy. Yes, the "majority of soy" goes to cattle but that's because humans won't eat soybean meal. The economic impetus to grow the soy in the first place still comes from humans. If they were only feeding it to cattle it wouldn't be profitable.
This sort of thing can get very political, very quickly.

The people who like Gapminder, are they the type who like Bjørn Lomborg?