How nice of you to call my real life experiences, and the experiences of the 10 million people rubbish. You never once mentioned the UK in your initial comment, just socialism. Yeah, we have different things here than in the UK, that does not make what I said invalid.

> Majority of people can afford one non-local vacation every year

Maybe in the UK, but come to Eastern Europe, and try telling that to people. No, we absolutely can’t.

> You are comparing unpaid holiday to paid holiday
I’m comparing them, but not conflating them.

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_b...
The average number of paid vacation days offered by private employers is 10 days after 1 year of service, 14 days after 5 years, 17 days after 10 years, and 20 days after 20 years.[186][189

I’d be okay with earning 3/4x times as much, and having to negotiate vacation days, versus not earning enough to go on a vacation in the first place.

> The choice is obvious. In non-extreme examples, in the UK I have 28 PAID days of holiday allowance every year.

Your non-extreme example is 40% more than what I have, so again, how is that not extreme?

> Women in the UK […] Nothing else needs to be said

So it’s fine in your country, end of story, and fuck me for living somewhere where that’s not the case. Got it.

> you listing some tax stuff in the UK

Non of that here.

> No it isn't free any more in the UK, but it is in most of Europe

So let me get this straight, when it’s good in the uk, than “nothing else needs to be said”, when it isn’t, you just wave your hand that it’s free in most of Europe. Okay.

> This again is complete nonsense. Having free healthcare doesn't prevent you from paying for private healthcare

I am (well, my employer) is paying for it, because I don’t want to wait a year for small stuff. The funny thing is, it costs less than what the government is taking from my salary for healhtcare.

> not acute life threatening conditions. You don't have to wait to have an urgent operation

No, not for an urgent one, but for important, quality of life improving operations you absolutely have to. Yeah, they won’t let you bleed out on the street corner, but that’s a fucking low bar.

> you can get non-urgent medical procedures done "free" should you wish to wait. Because healthcare is a basic human right in Europe

Again, not true, healthcare is not a basic human right in Europe. There are various laws in some Europen countries about denying you care if you don’t pay, and they’l even send the tax collection agency after you for the price of a life saving operation.

> Pensions

Which pay like shit, and there’s a high probability that all will collapse by the time I’d get to "enjoy it”.

> worker rights

It was very convenient that you ignore my comment about discrimination against hiring women of child bearing age. Workers rights sounds nice, but the reality is far from ideal. We also have a law that was dubbed “slave law”, because it allowed companies to have absurd amount of overtime without extra compensation.

> public transportation

Which has nothing to do with socialism? It’s not free, and it’s even more expensive in the UK.

> surely YOU must know better than them

Of quit it. Why are attacking me? You started off saying "Socialism is not just free healthcare, it's a mentality”, and I, someone who lives in a socialist country, that was with very part of the literal social soviet block, tell you that NO, it’s not all rainbows and unicorns, and than you have the audacity, from the UK, to tell me that I’m wrong??? The UK is one of the richest countries in the world, and ex empire. Let’s not compare some socialism things of a monarchy, with actual socialism.