skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> the 'start' of all of this was platforms banning Trump.

People have been talking about deplatforming for a long while. Quite clearly, all of this stuff started a while ago, and has escalated quickly since then.

Slippery slope is less about a direct cause, and more of a direction. IE, it is talking about how things are escalating.

"AWS terminates its relationship" I would consider major internet infrastructure kicking off a service with millions of users an escalation from where we were a couple years ago, which was more along the lines of "a couple nazis are kicked off of twitter", yes.

Quite clearly it is a more significant action to take down a service with millions of users, than it is to ban a couple people on twitter.

> There's multiple platforms drawing a line on acceptable speech

And those platforms has escalated things over the last couple years. In the past, there was less people being kicked off of various parts of the internet/critical infrastructure, and now there are more people/services being kicked off of critical network infrastructure.

That is an escalation.

Even yesterday, I did not even consider that AWS would get involved in this somehow, and now look where we are.

What is going to happen tomorrow, I wonder? Or the next day and the next? I could not guess at this point.

Will ISP's start kicking people off? Possibly. Maybe even phone companies and common carriers will start doing it (even though if a common carrier did it, this would literally be illegal).

TBH, It really does not feel like that much of an escalation to say to that ISPs or common carrier might start doing this eventually. They don't feel significantly different than other critical infrastructure.

Take your guesses now about what is going to happen next, and see if you were right.
How are Apple and Google and Amazon telling Parler that they are liable for any speech on their platform, but at the same time advocating for their own Section 230 protections?

I’m seriously asking, I don’t get it. Is there a better answer than “it’s their app stores they can do what they want!”?

Because Parler exists because someone didn’t like Twitter and was told “if you don’t like it build your own”.

Also, how are these companies acting in concert not a violation of coercion or antitrust laws?
We Learn – Illusion of Knowledge
Of course, Zionism, that was easy. So I guess Israel gets to be booted off the internet too. No problem, it's not like they have any hitech industry to speak of.

One day I'd say the idea that AWS is booting people for disagreement with their political stances is a "ridiculously fringe thinking". Or that monuments to Lincoln and Washington (and also Cervantes and Frederick Douglass, why not) will be destroyed as racist is a "ridiculously fringe thinking" and would laugh at anyone suggesting this. Today it is our ridiculous reality.
That running, per se, ruins your knees as been debunked. Just search "running knees arthritis" and you'll find numerous recent (>2015) papers showing that running can be in fact protective. It's amazing how the body seems to follow a "use it or lose it" philosophy in almost everything.
Maybe it would be for semi-trucks? They might be able to design a battery that attaches to the trailer, and can be swapped out at a charging station.
That might work just because it's an arbitrary rule, but there's no actual nutritional difference.
People should really learn to separate work and play. As soon as you utter “ROI” your play has become work.
>This summer, three of the TikTok's most popular stars, Josh Richards, Bryce Hall, and Griffin Johnson, decided to become angel investors.

The three influencers are part of a broader group of TikTok celebrities called the Sway House and have attracted a fair share of scandal and controversy, including for throwing a large, unmasked party during the pandemic. But tech founders have mostly welcomed them with open arms.

Honestly what this reminded me of is the paper on Veblerian entrepreneurship[1]. People like this might have their finger on the pulse when it comes to entertainment content, or social media, but I have no idea how they're supposed to make informed technological decisions in the more narrow sense of the term. Venture capital seems to be more and more invested in entertainment, lifestyle, and content creation rather than deep technological and material innovation.

[1]https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3479042
Yes, that was my actual point:

> After a socialist regime is established, however, I know of no form of socialism that encapsulates violence as a core concept.
Zuckerberg is free to do what he wants on the platform he owns. Just like you're free to do what you want on a platform you own. Or are you saying that if you publish a webpage on your own server promoting your religion I can force you to also post my religion on the same page?
Based on reading the LinkedIn of the Parler execs, their code is node.js and some Go with Cassandra and Postgres for storage and RabbitMQ for queuing. That sounds like it will run anywhere they can rent a pile of Linux boxes.

They've tried to avoid lock-in, specifically mentioning avoiding any Google technologies in their mobile apps. However, they are using Route53 for DNS, Cloudfront as a CDN, and ALB for load balancing, so there are a few commodity services they'll need to swap out.
1) >As far as I'm aware, there is no credible research to demonstrate Chinese conducts large influence operations

I didn't mean to imply that they currently do. (Or don't. Idk.) Just that it's an area of major concern, where we'll be vulnerable as a country and lack parity.

But as you say, interesting possibilities.

2) >IMO The ballpoint anecdote has been severely misinterpreted...

I'm aware, but it's still a very relevant case-study. I'm not making fun of them- Manufacturing is hard.

You're correct, in that it was a lack of high precision, high quality manufacturing, and yes, they are catching up quickly...

But there's still a gap (for now) in this area, especially when 1) there is institutional knowledge required to make something correctly, and 2) said knowledge is non-public, a trade-secret, or similarly-restricted, and 3) no one has opened a factory to willingly transfer such knowledge to Chinese factory workers.

I believe one example is in industrial tooling, but I don't know if that's still true.

More abstractly:

When so much industrial knowledge in a country has come from external sources... Find out what they haven't had to learn on their own.

What capabilities will be missing or disadvantaged within their war-machine? Exploit them.

-Obviously China has its own ability to research and invent things (on its own), and I'm not implying that can't. But we're taking about competitive advantage and looking for weaknesses here.
You're right about geography.

My record for cold shower temperature was 39.9F (4.4C), here in New York City. Five minutes at that temperature bordered on pain. My fingertips turned purple.

The warmest cold shower I took was in Brazil. Sadly, I didn't get to enjoy it because I was sunburned.
"use force to overthrow the election"

Which politicians said that?
You can’t have your cake and eat it too, dang. You’re asking us to refrain from politics in the same breath in which you’re sweeping any sign of dissent under the rug. No wonder your house is on fire! This whole damn country is on fire, and you don’t fight fires with more gasoline.
Cold showers make you feel better in general and they say it helps increase your immunity.

I've been experimenting with cold showers since the pandemic began, first it was through the summer, and I summoned up courage to continue it through the winter. There were some days when I thought I couldn't take the cold, so I used warm water instead. But I remember the stark difference I felt on those days compared to the rest when I showered in cold water.

If you can bear the cold, I would recommend it. Even if you can't, take it up as a challenge (that's what I did), to get your body to adapt to it. Totally worth it.
They claim rights to things you can and cannot do post sale. This is a "good" version. Previously they also claimed copyrights over anything you ripped with their tools.
You're skipping that you repeatedly broke the site guidelines and repeatedly ignored our requests to stop. What do you think we should do when people break the rules and flout polite requests by moderators?
On August 16th, 2017, Cloudflare terminated the account of Daily Stormer. Today Cloudflare is doing better than ever.
Ah, the value of a social network is in what the users bring. If the first users post crap which attracts more users who would post more crap, then that's not the network you want.
Quite important that Facebook's first users are Harvard undergrads, and Twitter recruited "influencers" as their first users, those are the groups that people would want to join.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Turkish_coup_d'état_attem...

Please ban facebook now
If you avoid all soda for enough time you'll eventually find it starts tasting bad. I think drinking diet soda won't help with this.

It's also still bad for your teeth since it's acidic and has some unclear negative effects on gut bacteria.
This sounds like a weird way to invest. According to this logic I should invest $.01 in BTC and then to borrow from a funny commenter in this thread, $.01 in Dodgecoin, $.01 in Ether, $.01 in baseball cards, $.01 in wine, $.01 in beanie babies, etc etc etc etc etc - that basically any investment that exists deserves my dollars.

I disagree. There's plenty of stuff one "could" invest in and very few one "should."

I look at it on expected value basis and then, risk adjusted. Because I have a short case on BTC, I expect any investment in it to have expected value of 0 so any $ allocated to it would be wasted. Instead I spread my money in investments I expect to have positive value, and I invest in many of them for diversification benefits (which may be is what you were getting at?)

But the point of diversification is to secure uncorrelated positive returns. A negative return on the other hand is just a negative return. I totally agree with you that I could be wrong in my short case on BTC, my logic rests on it.

And just in defense of my case - I think about markets as someone who's studied and worked in them for 18+ years. Doesn't mean I am right and I have an open mind. So whenever I encounter someone who has the opposite view, I explain to them my case with the hopes that they can point me to what I am missing, but I always walk away with the impression they hadn't thought about the issue deeply and with nuance. Again, I could totally be wrong, but as an investor if it seems like I did my homework and the others are driven by hype/FOMO/not understanding then I am gonna sit it out :)
If that's how you define it, nobody will ever have free speech. There are plenty of things people can say that would get them kicked out of my house, de-friended, or fired if they were my employee. I bet you could even think of some scenarios yourself. There will always be the possibility of consequences.
Tier 1 and 2 is as much of a monopoly as public utilities. If they all deny me service, it would be as hard to get connected as it would be to build my own water pipeline.
Instead of zero, more like penny-stock prices like Dogecoin and Garliccoin. I see that happening if something better comes along. The first thing that comes to mind is a proof-of-stake system instead of proof-of-work - the energy savings would be considerable - which then replaces BTC.

I remember there was expectation that LTC would get somewhere on the basis that the utility of the Lightning Network give it far more inherent value than BTC’s slower settlement scheme.

I’unno man - Tulips still have value today, don’t they?
> so Zuckerberg is totally cool

That is very nearly the opposite of what I said. Freedom of speech is not the freedom from consequences. It may be perfectly legal for Zuckerberg to do something like that, but it would most certainly not be cool. He'd rightfully be considered an asshole, and his advertising revenue would probably take a large hit as a result of everyone else exercising their own rights of free speech and free association. As well they should.

However, that hypothetical isn't a great analogy for the reality that we're talking about here. It's a decent enough parallel in a strictly legal sense. But let's keep it real: one isn't making nearly as much of an asshole of oneself by refusing to help someone undermine democracy. Nor is one making much of an asshole of oneself by refusing to support the activities of white supremacists.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm using the hell metaphor increasingly—not for the happiest of reasons of course. What people need to remember is that hell has circles, and as bad as the current situation is, the inner circles are considerably worse.
What’s Redox’s take on what transpired at the Capitol?
You mean the KMT that set up after they were kicked out of the mainland and took Taiwan right? They also claim all of (outer) Mongolia and basically whatever the Qing dynasty had when it fell. There CPC doesn’t claim Outer Mongolia and its borders are mostly settled with a few conflicts in India and the SCS.
For those outside the hobby, the majority of objective measurement/science-based audiophiles generally agree on a few things re: amplifiers.

1. In an average room one solid-state amplifier (Class AB or Class D or other "switching" amps) will sound indistinguishable from another, assuming you're not driving them to distortion. (Less powerful amps will distort at lower levels of output) Long story short, these amps give you more of an objectively correct reproduction of the input signal.

2. All bets are off when it comes to vacuum tube amps. A lot of them add various distortions that may or may not sound pleasing to various folks. You can think of them as the aural equivalent of Instagram filters that make things more pleasing at the expense of absolute accuracy to the source material.

3. The subtle sonic differences between amplifiers are dwarfed by the distortions induced by speakers and the room itself.

Which is "better"? Tube or solid-state?

Well, there's nothing wrong playing with tubes and seasoning your listening experience with various euphonic distortions. Ultimately, it's all about enjoying your sound!

As a practical matter, solid state amps are more economical generally going to give you the most enjoyable results through the widest variety of material. Imagine messing around with the color settings on your TV and putting them into a slightly bizarre state. Some things are going to look amazing... and a whole lot of stuff is just going to look weird. So in general you'll get the most enjoyment just by staying accurate.
The heck are you talking about? Bitcoin isn't illegal. And AWS actually have numerous reporting obligations surrounding the use of instances for illegal activity and content if they become aware of it. Which in the case of Parler they're explicitly and overtly aware.
> The truth is often less attention grabbing than falsehoods.

Pretty much every slogan is a falsehood, if you want to quibble.
Political affiliation or beliefs are not a protected class in the US, so yes you can very much get fired for that without recourse.
He built a _social_ network with 4 billion users, he didn't build "my blog of religious musings"
First: good riddance. Let the neo-Nazis, fascists, and white supremacists make do with Stormfront or 4chan.

Second: regardless of your politics/beliefs, this is what people get for not self-hosting.

1. Putting your site on AWS is not self-hosting.

2. Putting your site on Github Pages is not self-hosting.

3. Putting your site on Cloudflare is not self-hosting.

4. Putting your site on shared hosting or a VPS like Dreamhost, DigitalOcean, Linode, or Vultr is not self-hosting.

Self-hosting means you pay for your own pipe, your own hardware, and your own space in which to keep the hardware, whether it's on your own premises or in a co-location facility owned by individuals sympathetic to your views.

Corporations don't exist to provide you with a platform for your views, especially if they're as repugnant as those frequently aired on sites like Parler. They exist to make a profit for their owners/stockholders, and if you hamper that mission they will throw you under a bus.

Whether this is right or wrong is irrelevant; corporations will do as they please unless the state governments that issue their charters (which in the US is mostly Delaware) start revoking them and dissolving corporations that abuse their power.

People keep forgetting that "the cloud" is just somebody else's computer, and that somebody else is NOT your friend or ally.
As a big proponent of the free market, I think the problem stems from "sometimes free market."

Also, it seems that these moves by tech companies are acting in unison (Apple, Google, Amazon) to the satisfaction of one political party (that just happens to have won 2 branches of the federal government).
Wait, what? You’d like to abolish free speech? Or is this an autocorrect for “absolutist?”
I joined one of these Slack groups out of curiosity. They had 700 members, and as far as I could tell not a single one of the people active in the discussions was involved with a VC.

A lot of hustle, but it felt like activity was dominated by people with more free time than actual VC work.

Unfortunately, I worry that eager VC firms are going to use this to their advantage. Plenty of young people hoping to get rich quick in the VC world will do a lot of free work in the hopes of securing a job later.
Apart from that, the runtime module has also been overhauled completely since this blog post. In particular, the new `Controller`[0] adds a bunch of stuff over `Informer` to make it usable in production (merging duplicate queued events, parallel execution, delayed retries, fixed a bunch of internal race conditions, etc). We really need to make a 2020 edition of this blog post, but we do at least have an updated example controller.[1]

(Not to dunk on TechnoSophos, none of that existed back when the blog post was written.)

Disclaimer: Co-maintainer of kube-rs

[0]: https://docs.rs/kube-runtime/0.47.0/kube_runtime/controller/...

[1]: https://github.com/clux/kube-rs/blob/8611e5cdd23d4ff487fdcea...
If the Trump administration was comfortable with this change, they would have done it years ago. They are doing it on the way out the door to drop the fallout on the next administration.
I think you will find that if there are eyeballs, there are brands interested in advertising.
Examples include: The Pirate Bay, 4chan, pornhub, etc.
A better question is - do you think current politicians are so perfect that you can trust them with controlling who can and can not have press conferences? Surely they would never abuse it for any other ends when they're done with Donald Trump!
Are the floodgates open?
Part the crowd storming the Capitol, on exactly the day power is being transitioned, made threats to murder the one person who could give that power back, but earlier refused to.

Is that an event you can agree happened?
Beautifully put... would love someone to respond to this in a meaningful way :-) Thanks for asking.
Wikipedia is 20
So what is the line at which you're not longer able to run a platform you built the way you want? 10 users? 100? 1 million? 1 billion? Or is it just whatever you personally feel qualifies?
Grab an iPad and install Swift Playgrounds. Has you move a character to grab gems n stuff. Reminds me of my first programming language, Logo, though you are using Swift.
I’ve said it elsewhere, but can we now expect big tech companies to be more active in determining who they “platform?”

The Chinese government uses Twitter to spread horrific propaganda. Concentration camps are portrayed as vocational schools/feminist awareness centers.

If Big Tech decided to crack down in White supremecy, while turning the other way to the policies of the PRC, or the situation in Palestine, they’re just virtue signaling.

Bedsides, I’m sure if Parler really wants to, they can find a Russian server to host them.
Don't you see you're falling down the same rathole? Your language and imagery is... kinda violent. It's not an argument about principles, with nuance, you've got enemies. You're warning about "blowback". You're saying that the insurrection is "vindicated". You're implying that this action against Parler is a foreign conspiracy too.

Now... is that one post beyond what HN should allow? Probably not, and it's not my call, we'll see what dang says. But imagine a whole community of people like you warning constantly about imagined terrors and existential threats. And everyone gets to one-up each other.

That's what Parler is. Before long you get senior thought leaders like the President's former attorney (or whatever Lin Wood is) expressly calling for the Vice President to be executed to stop an imagined "steal" of the election. And then the mob attacks the VP and congress trying to do exactly that.

It has to be stopped somehow, right? We can't have online communities pushing real world violence. And it all starts with content moderation. The reason this seems so extreme is that it should have happened LONG ago.
If you do a training program like ATG your knees will be bulletproof: https://atg-homepage.webflow.io/
> Much like gay wedding cakes or nazi cupcakes, you cannot force a company to host your content if they choose not to.

Elane Photography paid thousands and thousands of dollars in fines for choosing not to work a lesbian wedding at a time when lesbian weddings were not legal in New Mexico. They never got their money back. It's not as cut and dried as you imply.
You've been using HN primarily for political battle, which we ban accounts for, regardless of which politics they're battling. We have to, because doing that destroys the curious conversation HN is supposed to exist for (see [1] for more explanation).

You've also been breaking the site guidelines egregiously and often, such as with personal attacks and name-calling. That's seriously not allowed here.

Therefore I've banned the account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. The rules are here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
Given the history of this country, I would be very wary of supporting any idea based on Supreme Court precedent.
>You know how to simmer tensions? You convince the leaders of said movement to calm followers.

this. this is why the deplatforming of a single political leader is confusing.

if trump can calm down the fringe elements, that's what he needs to do. gagging him from ever reaching that base is counter productive.

one day..we will all be looking back at these events and scratch our heads. this course of action makes no sense. its all very strange and surreal. irrational.
There's a pretty good book on this topic too: The Knowledge Illusion by Steven Sloman and Phillip Fernbach. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30780235

Also, does it annoy anyone else that Elon Musk is always considered the pinnacle of intelligence even though there are thousands of scientists out there that probably beat him for the #1 spot?
I mean, all the bugs dying due to hitting windshields probably didn't help their population count...
From a couple of an hours ago, over 150 points, over 240 comments:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25708142
Lifting is worth it for ze pump.
Maybe when you spend billions actively recruiting and addicting users and sucking up their personal info to further your social network?
And BLM rioters didn't also attack police? Give me a break. Both extreme sides need to be dealt with.
Quite.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lhjRXO72v1s
Aren't there a ton of tiny lasers in the processor itself?
When powerful people see the most powerful get overrun, things can happen quickly. I wonder of Bezos lies awake at night worrying about an angry mob.