skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
This harkens back to the very old analogy of why you're not allowed to scream "Fire!" or "There's a bomb!" in a movie theater, and that restriction isn't considered an infringement on free speech. Ergo it is possible (e.g. to deplatform a member of high authority) without it being an infringement on free speech.

Also your comment doesn't really point out specific flaws in their argument. All you do is tack insulting words onto it without any meaningful substance.
It’s not censorship when people are planning to overthrow the government and planning mass-murder.

Sure, sharing weird QAnon memes and Trump worship... I don’t care. That’s the equivalent of Fox News. But using it as a base of communication to overtly threaten to kill members of government (even ones I didn’t vote for) is crossing the line. From the article, there were hundreds if not thousands of users posting plans to regroup and bring guns and bombs to the Capitol with definite coordination between them all. It’s no longer a free-speech issue.
> In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance.

Even as it is with the word - tolerance, it is not particularly insightful in any profound way to me. Can you explain? It just says that in order for the society to remain tolerant, it must get rid of intolerance. To which my brain goes "No shit!", would love to get more insight.
I personally buy the brand K2, which is probably midrange price. But are very good quality. About $300-$400. I would stick to 4 wheel kind, 110 mm wheel size. The blades with the small wheels don't go as fast. They are more for street or hockey playing. The 3 wheel rollerblades can have larger wheels but are less stable, and harder to learn on and to stop.

Best place to learn is on flat bike trails. You will get some pain in your feet the first time you go out. This is normal. It will totally go away.

If you use them a lot like I do, eventually your wheels will wear out. The harder rated wheels last longer. Better bearings will let you glide longer and its more enjoyable.
Occasionally oiling the bearings and flipping the wheels will help them last.

Since the lockdowns, inline skates are hard to get locally and even online. Possibly more demand, and manufacturing issues.
But realistically, these people have been violating the ToS for a long time. Late enforcement is better than no enforcement. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.

It's true. The only thing that truly changes behavior is consequences. Arrests for in-person insurrections, trials, convictions, deplatform, disrupt, and I would even say enforce the laws that we do have against incitement of violence, which means arresting people who are posting hateful shit online. This whole thing needs to be busted.

Not doing anything because they might be "upset" is tantamount to surrender. Then they literally are holding us hostage. That cannot be tolerated.
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That'd be discrimination against a protected class at a place of public accommodation.

This is more like dropping a person from club membership due to incompatible views or behaviors.
"(I support...) As well as the net being a need to operate in society."

That's why. Access to a company's compute resources is not a need. Further, there are options, many different cloud vendors with different T&Cs, different allowed things, different jurisdictions, cultural expectations, etc. If I manage to break the T&Cs to all of them, that's kind of on me, and doesn't preclude me from having access to compute resources (I just have to buy them).

The internet? I've got one ISP option. And without it, I'm cut off from a large part of what it means to function in this day and age.
@dang with his ""cUrIoUs ThOuGhTfUl CoNvErSaTiOn"" charade again: Do something about downvote abuse if you really care about this shit.
Does anyone else see the irony in this or is it just me?
1. Yeah, I call and get the receptionist. I tell them about the software and get their interest (which is always seemingly high). They give me the email address of their plastic surgeon. I email the surgeon with a link to this page while explaining to them that I'm creating this software but want to validate the idea before putting more time into it. Nobody responds to my emails.
2. The photos are right there in the link, but if you're not able to view them, to me it usually generates pictures that are close to indistinguishable from actual photos. The breasts look like breasts (unless I'm cramming five on them onto one chest and make them shaped oddly... lol)

I just need more pictures. I also need to apply a different image-to-image translation where I put "static" over JUST the segmented breasts, so as to not remove tattoos, freckles, etc. I've seen an awesome paper that does this called OASIS, but they've not released code. I want the synthesized picture to be as close as the original as possible (with the obvious exception of larger breasts).

Still I need to build the actual pipeline instead of running the images through my segmentation network and my SPADE network AND I need to maybe programmatically increase the segmented "breast" category to be larger and maybe place the nipple in a more desirable location.
Today, it might be Trump. Tomorrow, it might be you.

"First, they came for ...."

Something is seriously out of whack when a President of the United States (any President!) is less powerful than some random company. If we go down that road, let's just dispense with the office of President completely.
The NYT Daily podcast yesterday had some insightful info from some of their reporters on the ground.

The president was basically communicating with the mob through Twitter. Ten minutes after Trump tweeted that his VP was a coward and a traitor, the mob that had invaded the Capitol started chanting, "Give us Pence". This is as the U.S. VP is also being evacuated.
Apple doesn't require apps be installed from the Mac App Store. If they did, people would be outraged.

People have different expectations from smartphones (tables, and Chromebooks as well). So long as you know what you are getting when you buy it, this isn't an issue.
What neighborhoods have burned down during the anti-police protests? And which one of the anti-police protesters killed a cop?
Phone conversations aren't public broadcasts. Not saying you're wrong, but analogies involving one-on-one private telephone conversations don't apply to anything being discussed here.
This isn't analogous to burning books, it's analogous to individual bookstore chains choosing not to stock your book. Or to individual publishers choosing not to publish your book.

No one is stopping you from self-publishing your manifestos and selling them out of the trunk of your car, metaphorically speaking.

Or literally, in Josh Hawley’s case.
Not really. You could hang out here instead.
> And if it were simply math, then there would be no way to work around those patents, which plenty of open source codecs have done in various directions.

What makes you say that? Math usually leaves many ways of calculating the same thing.

> dozens of companies banding together

You could probably get a bigger group if there wasn't a patent vs. no patent conflict.

> And eventually the patents expire, and the world gets these codecs free to use.

How many of these techniques wouldn't have been reinvented a dozen times over in less time, if the original patenter never existed?
There are multiple species of bees. I’m specifically referring to honey bees. I’ve not studied the other varieties.

I’m not aware of any studies, and most would have taken place well before the internet and electronic records were a thing.

I can state that my hives have swarmed several times, so those bees were “out there” — and the genetics I see in 2nd and 3rd generation brood show there’s quite a few different breeds in this area.
Would you consider that hashtag to have serious intent to incite people to commit acts of violence?
Anyone is free to set up a computer in their basement, install a web server, open up port 80 to the world, and serve to the world whatever blog or forum they want. This is the beauty of the web. They can scale it up as traffic grows and deal with all those headaches if they want. I fully support the owners of Parler if they want to do this.

Twitter, FB, AWS, Google eventually came along and said “ok, you want to share your ideas or host a community, we can make that really easy with our tools and platforms!” You can post what you want without worrying about servers in your basement. But in exchange for that convenience you have to accept that they reserve the right to terminate the contract at any time. They should not be required to help you promote ideas that they deem harmful or toxic.

So Parler can go back to how we used to do things in the 90s...it’s a little harder but not that hard. No one is being censored. This is simply a few companies deciding to terminate a relationship with one of their clients.
> The Proud Boys

Sounds like a gay nightclub.
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Forgive me, but I don't understand how you can pronounce it as one syllable. I would have to pronounce /shmod/ as either /sh-mod/ or /shm-od/, making it two syllables. I'm happy to be corrected, I just physically can't understand how to pronounce it as one syllable.
The problem is not that Parler only had violent posts -- obviously that is untrue. The problem is that Parler seemed to consider facilitating violent posts as a primary purpose, if their unwillingness to remove them is any indication.
> but modern pop music is very constrained in its use of modulation so society has lost much of the grammar of Baroque, Classical and Romantic music.

Just to give a sense of context, try this exercise:

1. Pick any modern pop song.

2. Write down every seemingly superficial aspect of the song you hear: vocoder overuse, why an cheesy electric guitar sound accompanies a certain lyric, whether a given sound is employed for irony's sake, which sounds or lyrics are allusions to other songs, etc.

3. Continue until you literally cannot think of anything else significant in the music.

If you're exhaustive you should come up with dozens of bullet points for even a short song.

Now realize that wrt Schubert, you've mentioned a single such bullet.

That is to say-- we're all missing most of the grammar of those bygone eras.
'Violence' is probably being planned on Facebook, Signal, text messages etc etc by all sorts of 'evil doers' to quote GW Bush.
This doesn't mean you ban the medium. section 230 defines bigTech as platforms, not publishers. You don't close down AT&T because someone organized a punch up via text messages.
> not an existential threat to the republic.

Because it wasn't. Not even close. Snowden materials demonstrated a threat to the republic.

This is nothing by comparison.

Inexplicably lax security allowed a mob to get access to the Capitol building and break the windows and fight and take selfies with police (including a few tragic deaths), a bad situation that was corrected within hours.

It's like saying the protests of Summer 2020 put Minneapolis in existential danger, or Seattle in existential danger.

> If they even TRY to replace RBG we burn the entire fucking thing down.

> Sep 18, 2020 https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status/1307107507131875330

You could make such wild claims (and many on the other side HAVE), but hopefully most people understand that for what it actually is.

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There's so much exaggeration and hyperbole on all sides, and this just proves provides more evidence for conspiracy theories. It might be your moral right to fan the flames of this fire, but I wish you wouldn't.

The solution to bad speech is more speech, not less.

EDIT: And let's say you're right, that there's large amounts of open unironic sedition in the US. I doubt forcing it onto Gab or elsewhere is really a net win.

Revolutions happen when people believe they do not have a voice. It's mindboggling to think that removing people's ability to speak is going to make people less violent.

You're taking away their peaceable recourse and leaving them with unpeaceable options. What do you think is going to happen??

That just so backwards from what should be the goal. Proponents of free-speech intuitively realize this.

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WHAT WAS WORSE: The Reichstag fire, or the reaction to it?
correction: ... autotools adventure, then you might not hate m4.
Or perhaps it’s a response to the purge of pro-democracy politicians in Hong Kong this week?
I'd love to make labels like this for the boxes in my storage unit (and then be able to look up the contents from home). Your site clearly explains the product, it's very compelling for me!

I couldn't find anywhere on the site though: can I export the data and self-host? If I were to invest time cataloging my data this way, I'd want to be sure I had a backup plan just in case the service went down one day
>>the society must be intolerant of intolerance.

Yes but where to draw a line?
I refuse to break my tongue and just say change-mod. But I have heard other variations. Chown on the other seems straight forward as one syllable.
Right, and people can't figure out how to do this by reading? Medium alone seems to have at least a dozen articles on how to build your own website, though I haven't bothered to read them and thus can't say whether they just suggesting using Wix, Weebly, or Squarespace (none of which actually count).
Hillary conceded less than a day after polls closed. A few House members filed complaints during the 2016 electoral count with no Senate support and Biden got the whole counting process over in about a half hour.

I understand the point you’re making, but the both-sides arguments undermine the discussion of a very clear problem we need to deal with as a country: millions of conservatives are comfortable with insurrection when they don’t get their way. They have no interest in democracy. It is paramount we make it clear this is not acceptable and ensure the future of our governmental norms are not disrupted further.
Smart people are finding it difficult because it's absurd to accept that gigantic monopolies are allowed to control the free flow of information.

I can't even go out and speak in a public square, because it's illegal. Internet censorship by corporations is still censorship.
If you are so afraid of some ephemeral threat, tell us, did you support mail in voting and ignoring state election laws? Because if you are not worried about that, then you really don't give a shit about this country.
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For me it’s less etsy and more et-cee; the sound may be the same but the second is clearly E T C with the first two elided.
>South Korea and Japan should acquire nuclear weapons

Ideally yes. Would love that. But almost never-never-never gonna happen.

Culturally, Japan does a much better job than most in teaching (and learning from) war history. Hiroshimaa and Nagasaki are still quite fresh in their minds. They're not Germany; Japan still identifies as, acknowledges being, and is deeply ashamed that they are the same nation/people that bombed Pearl Harbor and fought in WW2.

The power plant meltdowns also don't help, but is probably less culturally entrenched.

Only chance of changing that is maybe one-day for parity with N Korean capabilities, or an imminent major war with China.

It'd be... historically & culturally interesting, if Japan accepted US nukes or technology as assistance in a wartime emergency. Could potentially create one hell of a bond between allies, if played right. Or a whole lot of hate, if Japan's public opinion isn't won over first.

As for South Korea, and in the context of North Korea:

As long as N Korea is N Korea, I don't know if we want to just drop nukes into the equation, as is, unless we're talking about US-controlled weapons-sharing. With the downside of being a less effective threat due to direct US involvement, and culpability.

What would be ideal is:

Somehow make Korean reunification happen, under a democratic government that inherits NK's nuke program. And then advances it with US blessings and/or assistance (either openly or modeled on something like the Israeli program).

Japan won't like it, but it also might be enough to encourge them to overcome their aversion, Hiroshima/Nagasaki be damned.

It would require overcoming a constitutional ban, so not easy. But they make an increasing number of exceptions for weapons constitutionally limited to "defensive capabilities," which somehow now includes two aircraft carriers with F-35Bs.

And which China already hates.
Again, you are absolutely wrong about that case and the doctrine (state action) it covers. I really wish people would stop repeating this nonsense.

Marsh vs. Alabama wasn’t decided because it affected a lot of people. It was decided that way because it was about a private company who literally ran an entire town. It was decided that because they were performing the functions of the government, the rules applied to the government should apply to them.

Since then, Marsh v. Alabama has been “limited to the facts.” Later precedent has clarified that state action only applies in cases where private actors take up duties that are “traditionally exclusive to the state” (Manhattan Community Access v. Halleck). No matter which way you slice it, AWS does not fall under this precedent.
Which don't exist in the US.
I agree with you, but I also don't know what else these companies should do. What happened on Jan 6th was coordinated on a lot of these platforms (including Parler).

It seems like the answer to all these types of issues comes down to education at some point. Not that we all need to learn the same point of view, but that we should learn how to think critically. The people who took part in the insurrection on the capital honestly believe a lot of falsehoods propagated on networks like Parlor, FB, Twitter. They aren't all acting in bad faith.

Seems like these networks/platforms have been forced to take the actions they did because people – all of us to some degree or another – choose what we want to believe, wether there's any evidence or not.
> But a head of state needs to talk to his citizens and his citizens need to hear him

He could send a letter. I think the USPS is obligated to carry it.
My feeling is that "neoliberalism" is a term with a greater degree of academic formality behind it, as well as consensus in terms of definition. I don't think it was originally pejorative, although it has come to be used as an insult, in the same way "Boomer" has. The term "Cultural Marxists" is probably pejorative to those it targets, although I've seen its use as a shorthand for a collection of ideas the right finds disagreeable, rather than a pejorative. It's a term that feels self-describing and immediately obvious to those who use it, but it does not have an academic foundation like "neoliberal" does. And its definition has varied over time, which is the cause of the current lack of consensus on what it refers to. As a result, each political side I think uses the definition that most favors their own ideological bias.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25705107.
When it's transporting goods (data) to the general public without discrimination, for the public good and necessity. Since that's the definition of a common carrier.

AWS isn't fundamentally transporting goods but providing a service (the transmission of data happens via a common carrier between you and it). It's not clear that AWS access is a public necessity. And it's never attempted to claim it does so without discrimination.
Unfortunately, I think that Discord is a no-go w/r/t data security and sovereignty.
I've heard a few references to the Masteriece Cakeshop decision in a few social medial channels I'm on (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colora...).

I think the comparison is pretty unhelpful. At stake in that case, and those on the right, was a concern of being coerced into violating one's religious beliefs because of Colorado's anti-discrimination law. The legal arguments at the time were if it violated the cake shop's 1st amendment rights of free exercise of religion.

In today's context there is no anti-discrimination law for the likes of Parler, nor is there a concern that being forced to keep an app like Parler online would violate any constitutionally protected rights of these service providers should a statute ever be passed that did.

Those backing the cake shop decision did largely for the free exercise of religion, not an appeal to the free market.

Disclaimer: I didn't think a cake shop should be allowed to deny service because it's for a gay wedding.
Fear of retaliation is how facism thrives. Deplatforming hate groups works.
What are you talking about? I just skimmed the Kamala Harris talk page and it's all bickering about trivial edits as far as I saw.
Please do not take HN threads further into ideological flamewar.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25705107.
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That a company is not doing what he wants doesn't make the company more powerful than the president of the United States, it merely means that he does not hold absolute power.
Crypto only got popular when it became easy. Before Coinbase and some others nobody outside of the nerds or darkweb was talking about crypto. Even now most people don’t understand it even though they’ve heard of it.
> This is why telecommunications companies sign decades long leases at colo facilities.

Agree, but the messaging so far is well into "you violated our acceptable use policy which would nullify our lease if we had one" territory. Even telecom leases have carve-outs for "abuse", which is always defined in sufficiently vague terms.
First, I'd like to express appreciation for a thoughtful and nuanced comment about how this might apply to space, and the boundaries of (extraterritorial?) law. This feels like a remarkably poignant summary of the issues involved, at least to an amateur.

While you did carve out the exceptions earlier for (my summary) laws essentially being created in reaction to actual events occurring, I think this misses some novel aspects at hand here. Citizenship, and by proxy the (choice?) of personal jurisdiction for persons born on another celestial body are certainly not issues that maritime law can provide absolute analogies for, if these realities come to pass with long term inhabitation.

As I think your comment implies, OST is wholly insufficient for any of these new problems, and so it does seem clear that there is a need to resolve ambiguities that might result from these scenarios via new international space agreements. How might we expect those to play out?

There's also the fact that ratification of OST (wholly or partially) might perhaps bring some standing to the issues at play, but there's really not all that much preventing a dissenting government from exiting it as well, despite international (Earth) condemnation. Orphaned citizens in space? Might sound crazy, but the fall of the Soviet Union did result in exactly this scenario for an astronaut that had to go through a harrowing survival situation for a very long time until things were resolved down on Earth.
It's clearly a losing position to argue that AWS should ban content related to Abraham Lincoln grounds of racism. In fact, this so egregiously fails the "smell test" that I don't think it's a useful analogy for this week's events.
The right threw a pre planned riot because they didn't like the outcome of an election. The left threw riots over unarmed black men being killed with impunity for generations. One of those groups has a moral right to riot.
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