skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I am a person of color. I read those comments and got frustrated. I usually just comment/submit technical contents on HN. But recently I have been so pissed off by some obviously racist views that I commented with anger. My username is what I have used since grad school and now my company, so I am not willing to lose it unless there is no choice. Banning me because of this comment is fine. I don't want to be part of racist HN.
I disapprove of what the Marxist BLM say, but I will defend (probably not to my death admittedly) their right to say it. This is what a liberal democracy is.
I find it intereting that you equate banning people planning violence with the left-leaning mindset. I don't know if that's what you meant, but that's how it sounds.
The solution to bad speech is good speech, not censorship.
Theres going to be several interpretations but for me the spirit of a fascist is simply someone who wants to control, oppress, and silence their ideology opposition. You're going to see colors of this in either party. It is usually the fringe or a systemic issue. Claiming whole parties or large swaths of people are fascists is often times going to be inaccurate.
Likely as not an effigy symbol. Mike Pence was never going to be hanged on the Capitol steps. The guy has Secret Service on him 24x7
It just happened to be that Google, Apple and Amazon all banned Parler within hours of each other, shortly after all the big social media companies banned President Trump, thus boosting Parler as an alternative social media platform.

This is not about fiduciary duty, nor is it about legal liability, this is a Silicon Valley hivemind moving in unison, arguably as a result of unhealthy discourse on their own social medias.
Also available with English subtitles for free streaming at:

https://tubitv.com/movies/30843/how-i-ended-this-summer
I’m noticing that a lot of people in the discussions on this and related topics are spilling ink on themes of free speech and civil rights, while utterly failing to even mention, let alone address, the fact that seditious attacks on our government were, and are still being, openly plotted and instigated on these platforms.

I don’t think any argument that fails to deal with this can be taken seriously.
Parler doesn't ban anyone but actual trolls and crazies who post porn, promote commercial content, or post vindictive or violent content. Pretty much the same TOS as most other platforms.
> what if they unilaterally decide one day that our business is politically unacceptable because a bad person says nice things about us?

HN is extremely ignorant on such matters. But the truth is every hosting provider in the world does this in one way or another, as they all belong to some jurisdiction with some people, organizations, governments having power over them, being able to pressure them, etc. You always had to think about it, just some of us for some services in some countries more so and earlier.

Luckily on the tech side and organizational side it's not that hard to protect your service from such primitive soft-power censorship attempts. Torrent sites, political websites, vpn, tor, proxy services, porn, darkweb have been doing this for years very successfully. You just need to be careful about jurisdictions you choose for your domains, registrars, hosting providers and you have to separate hosting providers for internet facing servers from the hosting providers for the backend infrastructure, then host internet facing servers in a bunch of different countries with dns failover and some automated setup of new servers to be able to quickly and painlessly switch and try providers. Obviously backend hosting providers shouldn't be able to deduce what you are hosting there at all and it should at least be hard to deduce for frontend ones, have some decoy stuff ready in case they ask, but encrypt everything, encrypt communications with backends, use proxies or even tor if paranoid they can deduce what you are hosting by IPs you are tunneling to, etc. This way you can even keep using AWS for most things without giving AWS power to boot you, just not for internet facing stuff. And once someone boots you from one of your frontend providers - you just switch to a new one in another country.
> don't even bother to talk to Trump supporters and look past the memes and trolling

We did, but when we challenged their fundamental assumptions about the world or proposed alternatives in earnest reasoned debate and discourse they called us “cucks” and what can you do at that point?

Yes, there are people who have been left-behind and find themselves economically disadvantaged by the changing world (e.g. The rust-belt) - but that’s not the basis of “Trumpism” - Reactionary right-wing politics draws on that group but it isn’t the cause nor basis for it. Remember that Trump isn’t really that popular amongst actually poor people - he’s popular with people who grew up in an environment that promoted what we now call /toxic individualism/. And America has a long tradition of it.
Calls for Impeachment / 25th Amendment Tracker
Even small businesses?
Edit: the no-fly list as a DHS entity, which I just learned about, is absolute horseshit. I assumed no-fly lists were per airline and I stand corrected.

Terrorism is an over-applied label that is used to stoke FUD and expand executive power; yep I agree with that and I don’t use the term lightly.

Joining an organized movement to overturn a legal democratic election, breaking into the capitol, armed, and bludgeoning an officer to death is terrorism and a private company has every right to deny these people the privilege of flying on their airlines.
It seems like Parler gives law enforcement an easy way to track these folks and see what they’re planning. Is it really a good idea to send them underground?

I’m also reading a lot about how you can’t incite violence. We should all be able to agree on that. What concerns me is that many used Facebook/Twitter over the summer to plan riots, bombing of federal buildings and even seceding from the USA in Seattle. The problem is not that we shouldn’t take action against this stuff. The problem is that we’re doing it selectively. This is sure to worsen the scenario all around.
My dude that's total nonsense.
Well Jan 6th was 3 days ago.
You yourself said people were rioting for political purposes. Either rioting for political purposes is terrorism or it isn't, regardless I hope you apply whatever standard you use uniformly and recognize that the riots and Wednesday were both caused by divisive political rhetoric causing ideologically motivated people to think violence is their best option. Introspection is important as is empathy for those you disagree with.
I'm no longer convinced this isn't thought through. The Biden admin and big tech are working together on this.
No, you just seem to think for some reason that "justifying kicking off people generally thought of as good" means approving of this action.

They're not saying that kicking off people critical of them is good (i.e. something they personally approve of), but they're saying that it's reasonable.
Way to belittle what actually happened

https://youtu.be/cJOgGsC0G9U

We are lucky more didnt die
>I agree that we as society do not want to outsource censorship to private corporations

This is how the US has worked for at least 100 years:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Association_fil...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_blacklist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_Authority

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_Advisory

From just off the top of my head
I think the fact that there's so many more of us -- and that it's easier to get away with not having discipline -- that we probably have a fair bit less on average.

My dad would often have to wait days for a few hours of machine time in the middle of the night on one of his customer's machines in the 60's. That motivates one to be careful and methodical.
> loaded words

The literal definition of sedition [1] is:

If two or more persons [...] conspire [...] to prevent, hinder, or delay the
execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or
possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof

1. Do you deny that the Capitol building was breached by force?

2. Do you deny that Congress was in session at this time?

3. Do you deny that the breach of the Capitol hindered the Congress's ability to certify vote totals for the presidential election?

If the answer to all three of those is "no", then we are literally talking about sedition.

[1]: https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-18-crimes-and-criminal-pr...
Oh I'm well aware it was signed by the current president. Don't read between the lines in my last comment; I'm not expressing any views because I'm trying to encourage broad engagement around this question.
Interesting. I wonder if software has already been developed and is just waiting for launch. Just imagine him doing a daily livestream on his own social platform. Ugh.

It’s also rumored that he’s fleeing to Scotland ahead of the inauguration. He could be planning to operate an opposition platform from the relative safety of a foreign location.
Physical votes, people’s lives, including leaderships, were at stake.
Have you seen the Office? Absolutely packed with harmful hate speech and violent tropes.
It looks like your account has been using the site primarily for political and ideological battle. That's the line at which we ban accounts (see [1] for more explanation), regardless of which politics or ideology they're battling for. We have to, because it destroys what HN is supposed to exist for, which is curious conversation, not smiting enemies.

I've therefore banned your account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. The rules are here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
Amazon made the decision to change that calculation and in this case, whataboutism is perfectly valid.
I think once you’re to the point that something is illegal you’re fringe enough to where the threat is very small. There’s a big difference in the size of groups that say “we should do X” and people actually leaving their houses and “doing X”.
What we are seeing here now in US is nothing new in China. Censorship, cancel culture, and now high tech terrarium. It's all following the same culture revolution path. You only need to replace landlord with who ever you want to beat here. In the end, the farmers who supported culture revolution are the final victims. Million and million people died. It seems like human can't never learned a lesson from history. And it's a shame now US is more like China, not China becomes like US if you compares now vs 20 years ago.
The example was that the American Nazi Party wanted to march through a neighborhood with several Holocaust survivors. Many non-Nazis, including groups like the ACLU, defended the Nazis’ right to hold the march.
Activists.
The market has not judged "pro-violence" speech to be demonetized.

Platforms sanction calls to violent riots from Black Lives Matter and Antifa. So this is all fully based on the political feelings of the platform.

Edit "Platforms also sanction the use of violence by nation states".
I also don't see anything particularly damning in those words, it seems usual Trump gibberish. But then, even before he announced the march ("Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"), many of his hardcore followers were already waiting for him to say something, anything that they could interpret as a coordinated action (all the "cross the rubicon" talk). So I'd say that this is not just a matter of taking some isolated phrases, but rather looking at the whole context of all that happened before, during and after the election and asking the question "To which degree was he consciously contributing to create and direct this climate that caused criminal action?"
Overreaching is an understatement. This is a heavy handed censorship.

I don't recall Twitter or Whatsapp getting booted from AWS when they are routinely used for organizing riots and violence and a lot worse stuff.
Watching liberals morph into 2001-era Republicans is pretty funny. We should call the coming era the Orange Scare.
True. The banwave will unfortunately encourage even less honest debate, just even more siloing of opinion. Non-political and left wing thoughts stay on Twitter, while right wing thoughts are being forced into increasingly extreme environments.

It's pretty clear that many will soon move to platforms designed to be resilient to moderation.
> Is there any law that says AT&T etc. cannot refuse service?

Literally Trump's appointee for the FCC removed that regulation (it was called net neutrality).
> Slippery slope does not mean "a thing I don't like" happened

We are sliding down the slope at breakneck speed.

Slippery slope is not about a single thing happening. Instead, it is about one thing leading to another leading to another.

And I see a whole bunch of things leading to another and leading to another. Every 2 hours goes by, and another escalation happens.

The only question next is when will the escalation stop? Because clearly we have far far escalated past the point where we were a couple months ago, which was simply "Well, a couple nazis got banned on twitter".

We have zoomed ahead on the escalation to the point where a service with 10 million users is booted off of borderline critical internet infrastructure, with less than 12 hours of warning to do anything about it.

The slope, quite clearly, was pretty slippery it seems!
Absolutely, seeding peertube videos would just be a regular webtorrent seedbox.
“Hate speech against protected classes”

Do you not see a problem here?
I would think the law enforcement officer beaten to death with a fire extinguisher would be greater cause for concern, but I’m not a moron
I don't see how any context can possibly make the quoted passage incitement to lawless action, because the text itself describes the objective and method - persuade legislators to vote a certain way by "giv[ing] them the kind of pride and boldness they need" (not by intimidating them with threats of violence, which would of course be illegal).

I'm not familiar with the geography of Washington D.C., but "walk down Pennsylvania Avenue" does not seem to me to be the same as "storm the Capital building".

Now, I suppose it's possible that some other part of the speech actually did incite violence, but if this is the worst part, it is not incitement to violence. Not. At. All.
> Or, are you not aware of your history and that this de platforming is only making the other side message much more stronger.

This is the point that supporters of de-platforming fail to recognise. They preach "Build your own platform" yet they still persist to de-platform until the target cannot be de-platformed off the internet.

After all their efforts, Gab is still alive since they are self-hosted and once Parler is taken off of AWS, they will open more Gab accounts.

I can only see that it will either lead to Gab receiving a wave of new users from Parler or these ex-Parler users will start creating encrypted group chats on Telegram or Signal which also cannot be taken down.
I disagree with this. This might be a solution, but it is not "the" solution.

I really, truly believe that any startup idea has to pass the child pornography test. Most B2C companies have to deal with this at some point if they allow user to user interaction.

A decentralized platform as advocated for could not survive if it's not capable of censuring things. You have to censure for child pornography--it's illegal to host it. Court actions around torrents have held that the sites hosting them are not decentralized--The Pirate Bay is at fault for hosting illegally obtained content. Same thing with this--as long as hosting child pornography is illegal (and it should be, not debating that) you won't have a mainstream "decentralized" social media site[0].

This follows for all the other stuff that's going on. Inciting violence is illegal. That, plain and simple, is why Trump was removed from Twitter. Twitter even waited until his violence actually killed people. Even Parler recognizes this[1] and has started censuring, because it could be sued into the ground for inciting violence. If you think that there's a technological solution for this problem--you're missing the bigger picture. Big social media tech _loves_ this stuff--people talk about it all day--they even donate to the groups that help organize it[2].

We're not missing a technological solution--we're missing a legislative one.

[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/02/parler-...

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2021/01/09/parler-reportedly-removed-...

[2] https://documented.net/2021/01/republican-attorneys-general-...
Gallows were setup outside, multiple pipebombs found, many carrying guns, molotov cocktails found.

Does this look like a buncb of people dancing around?

https://youtu.be/cJOgGsC0G9U
I don't know if they should be able to but in the USA at least can't you fire anyone for any reason as long as they aren't part of a protected class? I don't think there are any laws against political discrimination, are there?
We’re fortunate the coup attempt wasn’t successful.

There have been ridiculous coup attempts in other countries in the past, and some of them have been followed by serious and successful coup attempts.

We really need to take this event seriously.
How do you think censorship were started in other coutries? To prevent attacks on the goverment.
It tends to be accompanied with a belief that things are not that serious or that there won't be a real benefit from the measures.

And the worst versions impute sinister motives among those implementing controls: that it's an attempt to suppress economic activity and make people slaves of the government/elites/etc.
Censorship is always good and never used to suppress truth or hide embarrassing actions of the powerful elite.
Please stop taking HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar, or any flamewar. We've had to ask you this many times. It's starting to get not cool.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: this is worse than I thought. You've been posting tons of comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25700845. HN is not a site for nationalistic flamewar. If you keep doing this we're going to have to ban you. No (to address the objection someone is bound to come up with), I'm not a communist foreign agent. I'm just trying to spare this site from descending further into hell—or at least to stave that off a little longer: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so....
That is how the market works. Nothing in capitalism says 'you must be transparent in how you conduct business'... in fact, it's literally the opposite! Most things must be kept secret if you don't want your business to get outcompeted.

Businesses are almost as big as state governments, but are undemocratic. They are run like dictatorships. If you don't like this, you don't like markets.
Maybe there is some deniability in the Trump quote above. But didn't Giuliani, who is pretty close to him, call for "trial by combat"?
Show me the non-hit pieces on AOC and the squad that weren’t op eds then?
Violent attacks on seats of government do tend to get attention and extra sanctions, I think we can admit that.
People said that about sales tax too. Somehow things sorted out afterwards and online sales survived.
Zoroastrianism?
How does this work with battery pack being a structural component in newer platforms ? I thought that would make them not easy to swap out
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46105934

There have been tons of instances of mob killings incited on Facebook in other countries.
I can hazzard a guess that there has been a murder on the sentinel island, and the sentinalese people handled it.

In the far future ships will be their own islands of justice, unless some overbearing space government tries to protect even those who do not want to be governed. But can that even work, and if so, for how long?

Imagine a libertarian owned spacecraft in which the inhabitants decided to just leave the sphere of influence of that government. Would they be chased? What about children born on that ship? What if those children were abused?

How far should we chase them? I feel like humanity should punish some crimes universally, but murder isn't necessarily the worst crime.

We do need some system of space justice, but I'm not sure what form it should take.
End to end encrypted messaging apps are really no more difficult to login to than Facebook.
> because it's unprofitable.

Having as many users as Parler is worth a lot of money. I'd say it more ideological than financial.
You guys are smarter than me, hence question. But I think you are correct.
I don't think there was any problem with the intelligence side of things. We knew the mob was going to be there because they were attendees at a rally organized by the president for the express purpose of pressuring congress. And we knew the rhetoric around this had been violent going back months.

As far as the honeypot idea: I guess you have to balance that against the danger that these communities will fester and grow. To be blunt: Parler isn't a planning tool for Serious Terrorists, it's a casual internet feed for people who aren't sophisicated enough to use encrypted email or Signal.

The danger to Parler isn't that it's a place for a tight team to plan an overthrow of the government, it's a place for millions of MAGA fans to be convinced that overthrowing the government is a good thing.
I don't think any future generations would look back at conspiring to hang lawmakers out in public as some orthodoxy that we were wrong to see as immoral.
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Yup, same with whats going on in defi with stable coins… as the existing system crowds people out and benefits fewer and fewer people more, more people will be incentivized to seek out alternatives
Everything,

Everything will eventually be considered hate speech. Every idea is offensive to someone.
Can you please share some instances of the racist views expressed here on HN?
I made PeerTube and Mastadon accounts today out of curiosity and was generally impressed. Mastodon especially is quite usable (though obviously many fewer users than Twitter), the interface is as good as Twitter (better if you count not spamming you to login). I posted about my open source project and other random stuff and got several thought out, kind, non-spam replies with a new account. I imagine this is because of the barrier to entry and that I made my account on a open source focused instance. If Mastodon/federated social networking became popular I imagine there could be "Eternal September" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September) dynamics though.

I wonder if paradoxically federated communication would let you improve the quality of discourse by more proactively banning people. Mastadon works on a federated system where anyone can run they're own "instance" which can then interact with other instances pretty seamlessly. Since people really can leave if they don't like the rules you could be pretty heavy handed with moderation within individual instances to ban obnoxious people or have an invite only system.

PeerTube was a little rougher around the edges, but still very impressive for being pretty new and doing p2p video streaming. There was more lag than YouTube but with decent internet it's fine. The choices for instances aren't great and storage size and bandwith are limited. Storage/bandwith cost money though and that may just be making what's an invisible cost on YouTube visible.

My Mastodon: https://fosstodon.org/@argosopentech

My PeerTube: https://peervideo.club/video-channels/argosopentech/videos
I have a 2018 F-150. There are no class actions or recalls related to the rear window that I can find via Google or the NHTSA recall registry.

Can you provide the information you describe above?