skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I ask because it makes you think and hopefully prevent overreaction. Banning apps because of extremists and poor police presence is stupid. I think these people should have been treated the same as the second day of protest where Capitol police were stationed outside after the church was set on fire. There was a lot more time to plan for these event as it was less spontaneous and had many hundreds of thousands planning attendance. I think not having a bigger police presence was pathetic and it was likely political.
>I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest
If I'm honest, maybe I'm just a little inured to the events of this year? We had events like the CHAZ where groups of armed protesters declared American soil autonomous, numerous people died, and it took authorities a month to shut the protest down.

I agree... the events of 1/6 "feel" different (certainly the response has been), but I'm struggling to understand why, and that alights in the skeptic in me. Is it just that one cause is deemed righteous, and the other is deemed not?

Just as happy as most to see Donald go, but it's hard to not see this reaction formation on behalf of the left / big tech as manufactured outrage and advantage seeking.

(Genuinely conflicted -- feel free to correct me.)
It would be actually pretty neat if HN was automatically linking to any relevant discussion for any link that was posted by a member here. Something as simple as superscripts would do.
> If you can't tell if something is sentient or not after an extensive interaction with it, then for all intents and purposes it's sentient.

I'm pretty sure my cat is sentient, but I don't take that to imply that it can consent to sex, since its spoken vocabulary appears to be limited to "meow".
You're not alone. What a strange feeling.
> How can you not see that as an "existential threat to the republic"?

I'm pretty high up the spectrum of taking the riot seriously rather than "a protest gone bad", but how would this extreme worst case be "an existential threat to the republic"? The republic is explicitly designed to rout around the death (incl assassination) of the President, let alone more minor political figures. Was Gabbie Giffords' tragic attack an existential threat to the republic?

I'm a hardliner on political violence and want to see the book thrown at everyone who stormed the Capitol, but that's down to the need to set a Schelling fence; it's not even close to "existential".
That sounds like doomsday prepping. If a social media platform plastered with calls to violence gets deplatformed, and you start doomsday prepping because it really impacts you that much, then you are probably knee deep in the conspiracy theory BS that made parler popular in the first place.
Trump was never in danger.
This breaks the Android security model.

Use GrapheneOS or CalyxOS.
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You're the third person who's responded to my comment with a whataboutism for the BLM protests, something I made zero mention of.
Exactly and it’s unacceptable that it wasn’t. Who is to blame?
You may want to reread the comment I was responding to. I quote it again.

>The western liberal value of free speech has never extended to incitement of violence.

Never implies going back in time. I was pointing out the historical opinion given does not line up with existing evidence. As such your point point about private companies is irrelevant.

Though I can still point out that we are looking at private companies that are serving as utilities and being given special protections (contracts, regulatory capture, and similar) by the government to the extent they can be considered part of the government.
ISPs and telecoms can ban you. Banks can ban you from having a bank account. Visa can ban you from transacting on their network. These things are already happening.

You can build your own website, but you can't build your own internet. You can't build your own banking system.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25687988.
To Azure with them, I guess!
Which is exactly my point
>Human trafficking is not just a symptom of poverty,

It's obviously a result of multiple factors, but poverty is one of the major ones.

And law-and-order generally improves as economies develop. A law that excludes countless people from the mainstream financial system inhibits economic development.

>People in Somalia and Uzbekistan do not in any legal sense have privacy and due process.

They have some degree of privacy and due process, and the industry you are championing reduces that for them, using the US's dominant role in the global financial system as a pressure lever.

>You can't force other people to transact with you.

You're forcing people in the US to not transact with people in Somalia. You're not a libertarian here.

And AML/KYC laws violate privacy and due process rights domestically as well. It's not just international transactions that are affected by these laws. They are fundamentally laws that institute warrantless mass-surveillance.

>If we're freezing you out of an economic system because you keep giving money to extremists to kill women and children with, well, that just sucks to be yo

Once again, condemning people who have done no wrong, based something as crude as national association, and moreover, pretending you care about "women and children", while callously dismissing the devastating effect of financial exclusion caused by the policies that you are advocating remain-in/be-put-into effect, on millions of women children.
I suggest you read more history. Sudden violent events have, time after time, been used to increase authoritarian control. I can absolutely see a line that starts with "we need to get the Senate safe, also we're going to give emergency powers to the president." Followed by attempts to prevent the Senate from meeting, increasing police and national guard presence. Protests start nationwide. Protests lead to riots and conflict. Suddenly there's an incentive to use a little force to get everything "in order". And maybe just hold on a bit before handing over power.

Especially because the police support Trump.
A crowd enters the capitol building shouting for Mike Pence, they somehow know where to find the ziptie stash, and it's hyperbole to call it a coup?

Trump calls it "getting revenge" and we call it a coup attempt because that's what it was, a coup attempt.
The person you replied to isn’t defending the action of the mob. They are rebutting the claims being made of what hypothetically could have happened.

“Do you realize what you are defending?” is just a tactic to shut down a conversation you don’t feel like having.
And yet, only this flavor is actually being removed, so it’s almost as if you have no point at all and are just riding a wave of populist indignation, entirely ungrounded in reality...
Paradox of tolerance -> paradox of freedom -> restriction of the freedom to undermine freedom.
Sure.

English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network)

Russian: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=ru&tl=en&u=htt...
Regimes do change through force. See for example Ghana or Nigeria or Egypt.

However, the impetus has to come from within the country or else the new regime will be seen as a puppet state and face challenges it is unable or unwilling to handle.
donald site?
What about this article is biased?
Yeah, I think the original statement wasn't worded exactly right. You can't check everything for a brain. There's a paper called "Welcoming Robots into the Moral Circle: A Defence of Ethical Behaviourism", which I think preserves the general idea of their comment. It says that if an AI is roughly performatively equivalent to other entities with significant moral status, then they deserve the same moral status by default. So if a robot walks up to me and seems to be exhibiting human like thoughts or emotions, it wouldn't be permissible to hit it for no reason, since it wouldn't be permissible to hit a human for no reason. If you don't know whether it is sentient, but it has the same behaviors as a sentient being, then that's enough reason to treat it as if it were sentient regardless of what's going on under the hood.
>Yes it does. Rights without the means to exercise them are worthless.

A corporation refusing to repeat your words does not deprive you of the ability to speak freely.
You can read Amazon’s list of 96 violations.
Creating accounts for political flamewar isn't ok here. Please stop creating accounts to break the site guidelines with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
I’ve always called it “fusck”.
Problem is there is no alternative. You can't just run your own server because your ISP can still cut you off.
Trump administration goes ahead with rule to scrap visa lottery
I walk while typing. It's not difficult.

What I DON'T walk while doing is - really cognitively challenging tasks OR learning something difficult/new, because that is markedly more difficult while walking.

If I really need to focus because a task is well outside of my comfort zone then I will almost always be sitting. Luckily, software development isn't always that kind of work (though it often is!)
Do Amazon, Facebook, or Google get held accountable for what random users post on their platforms / services / servers? No.

Why are they holding Parler to a different standard?
Nope, because they weren't interfering with the ratification of a Presidential election. It's one thing to burn out a Target and another to ransack The Capitol while it is in session doing critical constitutional duties.
Ah yes, whataboutism, HN's favourite refuge when confronted with unassailable arguments.
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Please provide an example because what you're saying doesn't make sense to me.
Do you believe there have been any right wing terrorists in the US in the last few decades?
Amazon is removing Parler from its web hosting service
No.

No country has fallen because a few thousand boomers with flags made it past police to the legislative chamber.
It is already happening. The community has contingency plans for each of their communication channels being shut down.

One of the things not in the news is that a 30K user discord server was shut down this week. The community is switching to matrix.org/telegram/signal and has slick on boarding media to funnel users onto these platforms with step by step guides on how to setup accounts and get vetted. The on-boarding process is better documented by these groups than the services themselves.

I've also seen contingency comms plans in opposition groups starting to form should platforms try to cull both sides in an attempt to been seen as playing fair.

What's the end game look like for communities who want to avoid moderation? Things like decentralized immutable message ledgers with vetted in person trust chains becoming an in-demand/enabling technology. If it is mathematically possible to secure comms it will be used.

My personal take? Address the root causes of the disaffected population. Monitoring and reacting is fools game.
Well, this sounds like a monopoly problem, not a free speech problem.

If Apple were forced to allow alternative app stores this wouldn't be an issue. Note that they don't have to advertise or host these stores, merely not actively design their products and TOS to prohibit them.

But then of course they'd risk losing out on some of that sweet, sweet 30% cut.

I see this concern pointing not at stronger protections for speech, but stronger anti-trust enforcement.
I don't do it all day either. I usually try to get a minimum of 3 walking hours per day. So in an 8 hour day, those can be any time.

The rest of the day I sit.
We have evidence a mob organized on parler to attempt to hang the Vice President.

We have no evidence at all of voter fraud.
NRA was being funded by Russia, so I guess Parler could give that a try.

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/764879242/nra-was-foreign-ass...
Fwiw, a more recent PBS/Marist poll puts Republican support for the attack at 18%.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/news/53345...

Full poll (pdf): http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/PBS-...
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Just because he was arrested before he could use any of those items doesn't change the fact that violence was intended. Pipe bombs were also planted at the RNC and DNC headquarters.
Got it.

You know, dang, I am an old man. Born in Soviet Union, seen the scars of that brutal regime. Came here without English and money. Went to work. Went to college, then medical school in Chicago, residency in Harvard, and fellowship in NY. Started one of the first medical blogs, in 2004, that still going on. Lots of work in the hospital, big cases.

I would consider my bio full of intellectual pursuits.

Sometimes we make mistakes. Sometimes you make mistakes. Sometimes society makes mistakes, and these mistakes can live for hundreds of years...

Maybe I made a mistake. But maybe what you consider a failure of intellectual pursuit, is your own biases.

But point taken. I’ll limit comments.

PS Here’s an interesting idea for you (and that’s not to offend you, really): try to find and ban someone on a comment that lacks intellectual curiosity and scores political points, and has many upvotes. Surely there’s a comment like that today, somewhere?
I am a conservative and right now in the community there is talks of using high-anonymity tools like TOR to go completely underground. We're trying to educate everyone on how to use these tools as quickly as possible.
Damn, those are depressing numbers...
Uganda is ruled by a virtual military dictatorship. There is substantial democratic opposition which is suppressed by the govt. It's quite an oppressive country, you see soldiers in black patrolling the streets on trucks.
> Was Gabbie Giffords' tragic attack an existential threat to the republic?

Somebody also compared this to the Scalise shooting. Neither are comparable. This was a mob executing the whim of the sitting President, trying to prevent the legal counting of the votes of the incoming President. Not to mention the symbolic nature of it taking place at the US Capitol, while the entirety of Congress was in session. This is not comparable to lone wolf attacks against singular targets.

I don't think it would have been actually republic ending -- but it sure would have set us on an extremely dangerous path towards increasing levels of extremism, violence.
Hard disagree.

They are 11. It has to be fun. Minecraft is the right idea, file system io is not.
Yes Microsoft Azure for back end services and Apple, with device exclusivity set to Apple devices it is possible to release an app that takes advantage of their CloudKit api that gives each app 1PB of storage with a built in subscription mechanism that can be used to send push notifications to users when crud operations happen.

So you have your app complete and in the App Store. You get a web page for that app that is indexed so name choice is critical for seo. Your exposure when marketing and optimizing penetration for duck duck go will be much smaller than those you mention above but it is doable, don’t know how profitable but certainly doable.

Also Microsoft Bing is an option in addition to ddg.
Thatʾs what I said. I was correcting the parent comment that said that you couldnʾt block autoplay of muted videos. I block all video autoplay, and wish I could block animated image autoplay also.
I've only been doing government-related web dev for a decade, but what about WCAG 2? Are accessibility guidelines not a design standard? They seem to cover issues like contrast, at least.

https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/

Is it really that hard to run your website through WAVE and fix the issues it identifies?

https://wave.webaim.org/

You don't even need the WAVE website; they provide add-ons for Firefox and Chrome.
I don't think anyone (certainly not me) is denying some intent of at least a core of instigators to create a disruption, at minimum. They should be identified, charged with their crimes, and stand trial.
Are you sure? That article talks about how unbiased Wikipedia is:

>Our study finds that crowd-based knowledge production does not result in articles with
more biased than articles produced by experts when the crowd-based articles are substantially
revised.
It concerns literally everyone that large tech companies are opportunistic and only start taking violent threats seriously the moment the bully in chief is out of office, but you have it the wrong way around.

This type of content should have never been tolerated to begin with, the only reason they're only starting to do something is because they don't fear political retribution any more.
Because it was a photo op, not a constitutional duty of Congress.
You make a good point. Though I have to agree with Snowden when he says this will be remembered as a turning point in the battle for control over digital speech.

A good argument could be made we don't need end to end encryption without a back door. And in this environment, there may be little political opposition.
> But regime change through force is an impossible task.

Isn't that exactly how most coups are done? Take Iran in '79 as an example.
Censoring a president is far greater a threat to the republic than some silly protest. People like you exploiting a silly pathetic protest to justify censorship is the threat to the republic. I'd rather have the protests than censorship by tech companies.

It is not for a bunch of unelected tech elites to decide whether our elected leaders speak. That's not their job. Once we hand over that power to a bunch of tech elites, then we have the end of the republic.

Nobody voted for Amazon, Apple, Google to be our hall monitors.

If there is a "threat to the republic", then it's the job of the political leaders and law enforcement to deal with it. Not Tim Cook, not Zuckerburg and certainly not the idiots at CNN, foxnews or other media companies.

The collusion between tech and news industry is the greatest threat to the republic. Not some pathetic protest that amounted to nothing.

Have you ever bothered to ask who elected the tech industry to be our masters? Do you really want a bunch of unelected tech elite controlling our lives? Do you want these people to be lords over our elected leaders?
http://wiki.c2.com/?WikiHistory

Start here.

* There's a variant on design patterns which you can call Community Patterns.

* Some patterns are software design patterns

* Some patterns describe Agile software development.

* Some patterns describe how to run a wiki (and why)

* Wikipedia originally adopted these patterns and extended them for its own policy.

See also:
http://wiki.c2.com/?WhyWikiWorks

If you want a long thoughtful writeup, check this text by Aaron Swartz

http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/wikiroads

That's some baseline sources off the top of my head. There's a lot more written about this. It seems like there are several concepts working together that a lot of people find un-intuitive.

* In the main, human beings are honest. In fact mathematics predicts it must be so. (Game theory)

* Humans "automagically" cooperate if their numbers are small (under Dunbar's number), but fail to do so over that number.

* If you can keep the number of cooperating people under control, you can take advantage of this.

* Conversely, if something needs attention, the ability to rapidly recruit them to the point needing attention is paramount (see eg. smart mobs)

Partly by accident, partly by design, wiki engines exploit the above 3 elements. At first approximation, as long as >>51% of users are honest, the wiki will continue to function. The measured value on operational wikis is something like 60-80%.
>You could reverse that no?

One thing that continues to bother me is that on almost any political issue (or even non-political issue) where people point out a double standard, you can easily reverse it and get a reciprocal double standard held by the side claiming the other has a double standard. Yet this is always ignored. By always, I mean I cannot think of a single case where I've seen the side doing the calling out realize that it was reversible on them. I have seen a number of memes from third parties calling out the two major sides as being reciprocal double standards, if that counts for anything.
I might be entirely wrong but I feel like I've seen multiple projects called Skynet in the past few years. I can't recall any others running currently because some of them might've become defunct and/or I've forgotten about them. I wonder what the appeal of the name is nowadays.

(I have seen Terminator and am familiar with the origins of the name)

I should clarify: It is another company's trademark or whatever as far as I know (again, could be wrong. Don't know how Disney litigates things in this domain).

Again, I could also be wrong about this not being the only thing called Skynet in the past few years.

I welcome responses!
ETH has already solved scalability with Zero Knowledge Proofs and Optimistic Rollups. Some dapps are clocking 2000 transactions per second. Also, ETH 2's initial beacon chain has launched and when ETH2 fully rolls out, there will be 64x that available on the network.
Yes, there were some yesterday.
> If you took out the Senate and legislature, would that work? What if you could guaranteed their protection was understaffed when you attempted it?

Nope, all of the states would appoint new representatives. There are processes for all of these scenarios.

The senate and house are not necessary for the day to day operation if the republic. They aren’t even there all of the time. Killing a bunch of politicians is not a threat to the republic.
Internet Explorer didn't support it, so it was dead from the start. By the time other browsers gained significant market share, it was already buried six feet deep so nobody even bothered.
Is it really your phone? You can't even be root.
https://www.siteuptime.com/blog/2019/12/19/how-to-create-you...
In a fit of irony, a comment I posted on a previous day referencing this paradox was removed as baiting and cliché. And I must say, I do support the removal of Parler, but here on HN having my thoughtful (at least to my perception) comment removed does serve as a chilling effect.
In order to understand most Wikipedia mathematics articles you need to already be well versed in the topic you're looking up. Even after finishing a Physics degree I struggle to understand the derivations of common physics equations because they use far more advanced concepts than necessary to demonstrate their point.
> So when Panda came around, Google correctly rewarded Wikipedia with #1 rankings for over 50% of its terms (!!), and Jason Calacanis had to shut down Mahalo which got destroyed by Panda.

For context, this is the type of content that Mahalo was producing to try to game SEO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdNk1xmDpxo
So? Many of them were. And the mob provided them cover.
We ban users who use HN primarily for ideological battle, regardless of their ideology.

I've banned this account. Please stop creating accounts to abuse HN like this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Genuinely curious if you can source that in any substantial way?

Would also be curios if Facebook or Twitter was used in any way to plan or facilitate communication leading up to the event.
I predict that more and more govts will take similar steps in the future. In the last few days Twitter and Facebook showed the world what they can do (and how effective it is) and govts all over the world are now watching them very closely.