skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I'm an engineer, not an ideologue, and don't make it a practice of painting myself into a corner just to be consistent. Though I think the big tech companies have too much power, I think the need to avoid having the US government overthrown by a violent coup trumps other considerations. The material they are shutting down includes plans for next weekend to attack both Washington DC and state capitals. Some innocent content could be swept up in this.

Once all this calms down, we can address the excessive power of the platforms with antitrust, so there are more of them to choose from.
Debating religion is far from useless - these discussions are what ultimately helped us shape a coherent foundation for philosophy and science.

Most systems are pretty inefficient and the problem is at the time we do not know which pursuits will yield the most valuable results.

Top-down, authoritarian direction of intellectual pursuit tends to yield worse outcomes than just letting people do as they wish. It's dangerous to suggest that any single perspective can accurately decide value.
Feels like a speedbump on the way to AR glasses, similar to a go pro with live upload ability today?

Makes me think of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip_Video

A product that could only exist in-between a transition and then quickly becomes irrelevant.

I'm looking forward to AR glasses with a camera - lots of applications. Even just basic glasses cam would be nice, during covid I've wanted it to be able to walk people through things remotely and more easily see what they're seeing.
50 years ago, there were no cheap home espresso machines, only the US$3K commercial versions you work on.

What changed was not the way coffee is made, but the way coffee is sold and consumer grade machines are manufactured at scale. We now have cheap espresso machines which don't last very long, as you have noted. I bought one last week second hand for $70. The new price for that machine was $300, but the guy sold it to me for $70 because it was dripping water whilst idle. I disassembled the head, cleaned the rubber ball end, stretched the spring, reassembled, and now it works like a new $300 machine.

I'm told the quality of the coffee is determined more by the grinder than the espresso machine, assuming the latter is working. There are no good cheap grinders.

> I have repaired and built up several 25+ year old espresso machines and grinders, and currently run a 37 year old grinder and a 23 year old espresso machine.

Awesome! If I knew someone like you who lived near me, I would be the same.
>For now, don't attempt to overturn a fair democratic election and install an illegitimate government. Seems like a pretty easy thing to stay clear of.

There's a bakery somewhere that wasn't controversial until they were. In this day and age you can become the subject of a national controversy overnight.
> That's not Youtube's fault

I am not blaming YouTube. In fact, good on them for beating everyone to the punch. Nonetheless, they are in a situation where they are the only game in town and should either act like that or be made to act that way. I mean, if the Edison electric company (they only local power provider) decided to kick me off their grid cause my views don't match theirs or for whatever reason, I'd be screwed. That's why they are treated as a utility, and not just another private company.

> DoJ has done fuck all to break them up

There is no disagreement here - I am just giving you my opinion on the way things should be©. DoJ should be more aggressive, but they are hamstrung by laws written in the days of robber barons. They couldn't even break up Microsoft 20 years ago when it was clear that monopoly position abuses took place on a regular basis.

> it's a fair argument to use against conservatives here

I'll concede this point. However, the well known "first they came for the %group% and I didn't care cause I wasn't a member" applies here. Cause when they come to demonetize you, ain't nobody gonna be around to help.
The current title de-editorializes the source title, which is explicitly one of the acceptable reasons for not using the source title.
I guess. If the ad service let you create an ad consisting of another video, and you could embed a private video, that'd be pretty clear.

This reminds me more of the Facebook bug where www.facebook.com had access control but mobile.facebook.com didn't. I don't really consider every endpoint to be a "deputy".
I mean it’s been reported as a wonder material (which is true) but Bringing it to market in a practical way just hasn’t happened. So we are always a few years away from it revolutionizing everything.
Sexual mores have been fluid throughout history. There's no particular reason to think one side is more on the "right side" than the other from an absolute sense, looking at the historical track record.

For that matter, the notion of human rights as we conceive of them is a relatively modern invention. Liberalism isn't even 400 years old yet (and the notion of universal rule of law as codified in the Magna Carta is itself only just past 800). By comparison, Ancient Egypt lasted for around 3,000 years, and Rome for 1,200. We've got a while yet before we can declare our way is any more successful than theirs.

Particularly if someone believes that it's a religious issue dictated by a deity who takes an active interest in the world, then they'll definitely believe they're on the right side of history.
we're happy you're happy!
People: Twitter/Amazon/Google is a private company, they are free to act as they please and nothing can (or should) be done about it!

Same people: ISP blocking Twitter is not acceptable, regulatory action must be taken immediately! Please Net Neutrality regulators, come save us and ensure equal playing field (but only at the ISP level, ignore all the rest!)
For those who don't want to sign up to read this one article: https://archive.is/63dm7
Have you checked the news the last few days? Plenty of people out there are stupid enough to fall for this and much worse.
Breaking the site guidelines like this will get you banned here. No more of this please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Curious what would be your take if they banned people based on color. Is it still okay for a private company to set any rules?
The post is about "armed" protests (ie people with firearms.) I do feel there is a distinction.
Utilities vs. Media
so, how do you gather the correct data to "train" the detector?
You are just repeating my critique. I am not the one making the mistake.
Yup. Publish or perish is a denial-of-service scheme that slows down recursive self-improvement to the levels deemed safe for society.
Thanks for the response. We are probably closer than I thought we were one RTT ago.

I think pejorative anti-whiteness is problematic as a communication strategy; it's counterproductive and you have to be steeped in a national conversation that only a couple hundred thousand people are having to understand how to take it (and I do not think that's true of anti-Black racism).

I also think that a lot of people selling anti-whiteness as an important doctrine are grifters.

But I also think it would be better for everyone if the term died out. I know it won't; Irish/Czech/Spanish people intermarry with German/Scottish people and their kids have no better term, I guess? But there's a notion that "if Black pride is positive, it should be positive to have White pride as well" which I think is deeply wrong. Maybe it was growing up along the South Side Irish parade route in Chicago that programmed me this way, but I see no evidence of European ethnic heritage being suppressed in the US.

I do not trust Twitter, Facebook, or Amazon to censor appropriately in the least. But that doesn't make it hard for me to evaluate these most recent decisions to cut off violent extremists! I'm fine with them booting Parler and DJT even though I'm less than fine with the idea of them evaluating all speech --- of course, that's one of the reasons 1A advocates so strongly support CDA S230.
Nah, the employees in Chinese startups get very little, my impression is about 10% of their counterparts in Silicon Valley.

Chinese capitalism is cut-throat. I really think that will become the major risk of Chinese economy.
People aren't code. Plus you dont see people exposing themselves to prions or the plague.

More pertinently, you could argue that we shouldn't worry about sociopaths, and that if they convince or charm someone - that's just bad luck, and it boosts people's immunity.

Why did we worry about lootboxes or attention manipulating algorithms?

Because when its not a fair fight, the outcome is not fair.

If I sent you up against professional Nazi denying content, and you knew jack about the Nazis - I guarantee you would think they had a point. There are supremely persuasive books saying the numbers are wrong, or that the data doesn't add up.

There are some ideas that are simply that toxic - handling them without training is a sure shot way to radicalize someone.

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Sure, I would love to have classes like their are doing in some countries.

First - I doubt that flies in America, where Fox news is one of the largest networks.

Second - even if you did start classes for kids and teens - it still leaves your adults vulnerable.

I don't even know if it is possible to de-radicalize the already radicalized. If you don't stop the radicalization, you will simply have more of such people.

So sure, get those classes going, but its only one part of the solution.
;) the whole piece is really a fantastic read.
Tell me how this is wrong:

The US is de facto converting to the Chinese model for the internet: All communication must be monitored, damaging content must be erased, and in serious cases, those responsible must be punished.

If Parler gets a foreign data center, I expect a "Great Firewall of China" with American characteristics will soon follow.
I think it's perfectly reasonable for non-American countries to impose laws on the tech businesses if they want to do business in those regions, but it's a dishonest characterization to suggest that what happens on a handful of American websites "determines what is appropriate", they don't have any such power.
Regarding your description of blocked toilet (i.e., where a plunger is needed every time): I used to have the same problem but then I realized that air bubbles came up every time I started using the plunger. That led me to realize that the toilet paper I was using trapped and carried a lot of excess air into the piping. I found another brand that is just as soft and strong but that does not do this - upon switching, the number of instances where a plunger was needed fell dramatically.
German people in WW1 and WW2 also thought they were doing the right thing by invading other European countries. I guess they were "misguided", as you say.

These people were well-understood by government, who listened to their imperialist and racist demands.

Well, the rest of Europe defended themselves through alliances and coordinated military planning, and the USA did their job to bomb the authoritarian regime back to their place.

Today's "misguided" Trump extremists are part of a very big group of Trump supporters, who might very well turn the USA into a less-globalist, more authoritarian regime. Perhaps imperialist.

In this case, the best for the world would be to quickly disable US military power, ideally with precise nuclear strikes.

Nobody in this scenario is "fundamentally evil". But that doesn't mean we can solve all conflicts by "understanding these people". This is about which side / ideology has the most power.

Power is what really matters. The USA is seen as the good guys today because they were powerful in WW2. If Germany had gotten their way, they would be the good guys, and USA the evil ones.
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I think basic math is just a natural part of most languages, since it describes a useful aspect of reality. Similar to distance, space or existence. I'd hazard that most languages has ways of expressing those concepts as well.

The fun begins when it comes to the deeper extrapolations of what can be readily observed. It seems possible that an alien civilization could be much more knowledgeable than us, yet never formulated the equivalents of our QM equations.
There's a moderator curated version of HN if you wanted that.
I feel like encryption before payload and OMEMO are 2 different layers like, say, TLS compression and HTTP compression.

When you send a pic in a conversation, the content-type of the resource is "image/*". It doesn't matter whether the image is encrypted, compressed on-the-fly, or whatever, the receiving end must "undo" all of it to present the intended resource to the user
Yah, it is hard. Sometimes I thought afterward that I was a jerk (or someone else was). Live, learn, practice as we go sometimes. Frankly I applaud you for efforts at being honest and reasonable at the same time -- it is not a skill we are born with, it would seem...?
The cyberpunk game subreddit was its own worst enemy: people were winding themselves up with hype that was never ever going to be even remotely filled, people speculating and dreaming about features and stuff that was patently never going to happen, etc.
Is Signal even using AWS?
I really doubt a Timothy McVeigh style attacker would want to kill people that support his cause. A suicide bomber would be more apt to target people he hates than people that support his world view.
"stop the steal" isn't simply misinformation: it's about planning violence for next weekend. Facebook doesn't have to allow its platform to be used to try again to overturn the presidential election and harm any politician or police officer who resists.
I thought Chinese household debt was absurdly low, but I guess that's changed.

Still, I would prefer to "quotient out the money", and say either the demand is met or it isn't? To the extent it is met, perhaps there are imports of material goods or domestic labor (nurses?)

I don't think it makes sense to worry about "domestic debt" in the same way, given the non-liberal political economy. Of course that doesn't mean there aren't limits, but the limits maybe would take the form of e.g. rising discontent and decreased productivity if it feels like an old-people-focused service economy with nothing in it for the workers.
That is not most of science. There are more biochemists than all those fields combined.

The fields affected have three properties: they deal with complex entities, they are interested in phenomena that is generally investigated using statistical methods and they deal with noisy data. For those fields, we need new methodologies, but other sciences do not have a comparable problem.
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You can stand on public property and say whatever you want. You can stand on your own property and say whatever you want. You cannot stand on my property and say whatever you want. No need to confuse public and private property. There is no law that protects you from the social consequences of your speech.
How do you know how Facebook's shadowban mechanism works? Has it been reverse-engineered? My search-fu us failing me.
It annoys me that the article mentions "the VC- and Kickstarter-backed rise of pod technologies" but doesn't say which one this is. I want to know who to be annoyed at for continuing to fund this nonsense. You would think Juicero would've taught everyone a lesson but I guess not.
Most of the people who show up to these things don't have the appetite for armed resistance.
What we need, is social profiles/media/content as a protocol.

An "email like" structure, rather than single company lock in.
Since Netgate (the company behind pfSense) paid for the Wireguard work, you can make a good bet that same will appear in a near-future release of pfSense.
I am a (classical) liberal and I pretty much agree with every word you said.
> It’s not like cities “control their police departments”.

All the things you listed (except for perhaps the selling of military equipment) is part of the policing responsibility of the states and local government. Those authorities have the authority and responsibility to "control their police departments"
The hacker specifically mentioned on Twitter both deleted and private data.
Do any of these pfsense setups allow an Orbi-style network? I’ve been really unhappy with my last several router purchases.
Sadly I think this is at the heart of all of the recent political debates. That is, many folks on each side believe the other has broken the rules of engagement. Many years ago I knew a congressperson who was deathly afraid of this happening (they pointed out a few "nuclear options" each party had for consolidating power). We're at a critical juncture where change is inevitable, let's hope we wind up in a better place than we were before.
You could even allow only emails to the same domain (handled on the same server itself). Then emails never leave the server, and people can access them with their favourite tool, such as web or IMAP/SMPT, which encrypts everything in transit these days, if set up properly, unless I'm mistaken.
Conversely: science pays junk money compared to IT. I have a Masters in chemistry, my wife has a Ph D. I make more then twice what she does off of skills I taught myself, and when I'm between work recruiters call me.

If we want more people in the sciences, we've got to create the jobs.
Post needs a title change to match the original article.

But, the op-ed is spot on. The government is inducing tech companies to do what they can't do legally, and this started with the "elective affinity" between the CIA and Google starting post-9/11, which kicked off a whole host of data collection that the CIA couldn't do itself, but can get very easily from Google and others.

I'm beginning to think the only solution is a "public option" social network moderated by these out of work folks, similar to the CCP's 五毛黨, except with the rule of law. That way, these private corporations can go about censoring whoever they want, and there'll always be the public square moderated with the actual laws of the land.
The slide into a totalitarian dystopia is much quicker than you'd think. It was only two years ago Alex Jones was banned from mainstream social media for his crazy theatricals. We've already slid to Chinese WeChat-level censorship with blanket bans on terms like "Stop the Steal" (which at least a third of the US consider tantamount to banning the utterance of "Tiananmen Square").
thanks. really don't like it when people edit their comment to result in _entirely different context_ when there are replies.

frustrating.
It'll also block the system from booting for as long as a few minutes in the absence of user input.
Unless they have liberal (hah...) TOS, this is straightforward breach of contract.

No one pays money to post or read FB and Twitter and participation is voluntary.

But if I pay money to an ISP and the ISP decides that I can't access certain web services for what are essentially random (political) reasons with no legal justification beyond "We don't like them" - there's a good chance that's not going to end well if it gets to court.
You could get all that with the usb port. I have certainly tried plugging a USB OTG cable in to a usb to ethernet cable in to a pixel phone and it actually worked and had a special icon for ether net
What exactly is your point, other than ad-hominem attacks?

OP made no claims to know that “good” is other than

> Normal, political speech is just fine. Incitement to violence, no.

Struggling to see a world that would consider incitements to violence as a “good” thing. I mean sure it’s possible, but so far away from our reality as to be entirely pointless as a basis for argument.

> nazi Germany, would you have the right to protest? Would you have the right to say things that are outside of the overton window? You would not have the right, and your opinions would be spat upon.

What does Nazi Germany have to do with any of this? That was a government suppressing a minority population and invading Europe. Your not suggesting that AWS is about to attempt the same thing?

> It is right that people with a belief strong enough to force them to action are forced to action

Glad we agree that people at AWS who have a strong belief to drop Parler are allowed to act on those beliefs.

> The world is unfolding as it should.

Then what’s your problem? Are you saying that AWS deplatforming Parler is preventing the world from unfolding as it should?
>FWIW, I consider this entirely acceptable of a frame to take

No, it's a total bullshit false equivalency. Basic physical infrastructure, using public rights of way and subsidies, that is for most people going to be their sole and exclusive choice, is not in any fucking way the same as social media. Stop it.
I'm only seeing that they can be fined if they disobey the ruling

I do not propose they do that - rather they can have the courts do the moderation for them.

Very easy.

> If a special court rules in favour of the plaintiff and the internet service does not obey the ruling
Spam alone would eliminate its utility.
NAT is fundamentally not the solution.
Facebook is not a country, it's a website, trying to characterize Facebook's business decisions as U.S policy is a dishonest rhetorical tactic.
Did parler really try and overturn an election? Or did some of the people that use the site walk around a building?
How to Get Conservatives on Signal?
My conservative friends/relatives keep asking about Signal. What's the best way for a non-tech person to get on it?
Yes, I upgraded from Unifi Video to Unifi Protect (by purchasing a Cloud Key Gen 2 Pro), and was pretty dismayed that you have to allow outside access (via the Unifi cloud) to use the cameras in the app. For the hypothetical reason that this might be cracked once. This was two weeks ago... didn't expect it would happen so soon.
There is no evidence I have seen that Parler was doing anything illegal.

Note that my understanding is that hosting someone else’s illegal speech is not in itself illegal (if it was, the buzzfeed article would also need to be taken down).
Which is exactly the point. Why keep being a democracy when we don't trust the voters to do the right thing?
It's wrong because you're conflating the US private companies with the Chinese government.
Well, when they come for the fascists, I'll care. I'll be waving goodbye when they're packed on the train.

As far as Youtube being "the only game in town," that's not relevant as long as they're legally not considered a monopoly.

Edit: Also, why should Youtube unilaterally decide it's a monopoly and start being nice? At what amount of market share is a company required to put the kid gloves on?

Again, I'm more playing Devil's advocate here, but these are the arguments you'll hear from right wingers all the time.
Yeah I'm worried it'll just frustrate me. I got it for Christmas but I'm hoping for a patch before I install. Apparently there's one due in a week or two and another next month.
I think there's quite a step from "don't use AWS to plot a violent overthrow of the United States Government" to all communication being monitored and a firewall blocking foreign sources.

Why should Facebook and Amazon use their resources to help this cause?
people take comfort in some kind of explanation for the cause of something. It's a bit bizarre, but makes sense. We just sort of accept it because as mentioned above, it's not falsifiable.

I think it's right to point out "on any given day". On broader time horizons you can easily figure out why prices move and you can bet on it much easier.
App is available on Android, iOS, Mac, Win, Linux though - what more do you need?