skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> Do you see how by using the word “censorship” [...], you have made it difficult to continue this conversation?

Not really, no, what makes it difficult for me to continue this conversation is that I had no interest in having this conversation in the first place. My first comment was just asking the other person how he dealt with these threads, as I wasn't sure what he meant exactly or if he had a trick or something.

I certainly didn't want to start arguing the merits of free speech again (I already said I found it disheartening to read).

> I didn’t present any position at all other than saying that neither extreme is realistic

And since I never spoke in favor of any extreme, I argued with you because your point about "everyone being pro-censorship" wasn't apropos... Something you seem to know too.

> look for people arguing about specific behaviors; avoid people arguing over the definition of the word “censorship”.

I've seen the same people arguing both in favor of the same "specific behavior" you mentioned and against free speech[1]. And no, those discussions were anything but productive or nuanced. With that in mind, I have no interest in looking for that.

[1]: Not that differentiating between that and censorship wasn't already a distinction without a difference (as I already implied in my previous comment), but I must say that those discussions did make it evident that they were ultimately arguing for the same thing.
Could be these guys - they are publicly advertising Chicago to Europe data link via HF radio (for traders, of course):

https://www.raft-tech.com/
You'd need to be in orbit.

Edit: actually it might not be possible at all from a single point anywhere in the universe.
I don't think the size of CDPR is the reason here. They are public company now. Which means they aren't lying to some potential players, but instead they are lying to the investors.

They made promises about work environment that weren't fulfilled.

They blatantly lied about previous gen consoles performance. PC gamers are used to games not running well, but main appeal is that games usually run within the baseline. CP2077 is unplayable on PS4 and XB1.

CP2077 isn't TW3 level of unfinished. I think CDPR has bitten off more than they can chew.
I assume he's referring to https://www.axios.com/ted-cruz-hunter-biden-trump-f38805a0-6...

I don't know enough about US politics to know if that qualifies as being a dumbass, but I don't think this qualifies as "gotcha"-styles interview either. It seems to be quite clearly talking about specific policies and actions, and not simply playing off silly gafs.
The gap between the coastal and flyover cities is too great I'm afraid. What bridge can someone possibly build? Each looks at one another as the enemy of the country and the singular reason for all of their perceived problems with America.

I gotta say, if a divided country was the goal of a foreign adversary, they've exceeded in ways no one ever thought possible.
Like Naval says, if you stop the king, then you are THE KING.
Client authors should do what Conversations do. End users should probably stick with Conversations, for now.

There will always be hacky and badly implemented clients. It comes with the idea of an open specification. That doesn't mean we should use them as a point of comparison.
This is something that I never learnt how to do with Xterm, I put the keybinding in Bash:

bind -x '"\C-T": _terminal_here'

I would love to know how to execute a command from Xterm directly, I am sure that it is possible.
Can you show me any proof any of them had guns? Also, we don't know who planted the bombs.

One person killing a cop doesn't mean the whole group was going to use violence.
All companies shutting them down without so much as a hearing in court will probably lead them to build parallel societies.
What is even your point? Just because you're saying something on Facebook doesn't mean that the law of the country you're in doesn't apply to you anymore. You still have to abide to your law. What this does is that it only removes the restrictions of the platform, so you can get only more free speech, not less.

> Sometimes I wonder if certain people are using "free speech" as a stepping stone to authoritarianism to then destroy freedom of speech.

Have you ever entertained the idea that a similar thing could apply to the side that you support?
Not for lack of trying.

With two pipe-bombs at the DNC and RNC headquarters, as well as a truck full of Syrofoam+Gasoline bombs, there were clearly people who were trying to do major damage at the event.

EDIT: Given the timing of the DNC + RNC pipe bombs, it has been proposed that the pipe-bombs were purposefully placed away from the Capitol to further confuse capitol police before the riot. Capitol Police were too busy checking out the pipe-bombs to notice the crowd encroaching upon the Capitol building itself.
I read this article in fivethirtyeight from Jan 7, which addressed that subject, and it cited a few pieces of research. However, I didn't follow the links to said research articles so I have no idea how speculative or otherwise they are.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polices-tepid-respo...
Many words would have been valid substitutions. Each word choice has it's own associations and resonances.
What's the "extreme leftist social change" we've seen in the US?
I found it ironic that one protestor who died carried a "don't tread on me" flag was trampled to death by fellow protestors.
I missed that part. I would not have expected that in Denmark. LSN is awful. You will be sharing source port depletion limitations with others in your network. That also means you can't host any servers unless you use port forwarding services or reverse vpns like hamachi. It also means you are sharing a SNAT with others on your network which means that malicious traffic from others could be attributed to you. Glad they are fixing it for you. If they didn't, then one would hope there were other ISP options.

Any ISP using LSN will have low NAT timeouts because it takes memory on their routers to track sessions and state. I would be surprised if your ISP remove timeouts unless they are letting it fall back to FIFO pruning on your segment. Did they tell you what they are changing?
The police won't mess with a crowd of people with guns, legally carried or otherwise. While I don't care about this particular cause, I can't wait to see open carry rallies in all 50 states just for the pearl clutching.

lmao, who flagged this?
OK then add this to context, they had also just determined that pipe bombs had been located in 4 places (Capital area, RNC Headquarters , DNC Headquarters, and in a pickup truck bed). So if someone who was revered and you felt wrong enough to stage a potential coup or insurgence for wasn't going to be some place and still hadn't condemned your behavior, yet those who were permitted to do the wrong (in the mind of the insurgence) you were just given a green light and location. That is where it breaks down. He was also stating he was moving platforms, so then those who were prepared to perpetrate the violence would know where they could celebrate it with the person they felt had been wronged.

Now personally I took more umbrage with the fact that he hadn't been kicked off previously, I personally Don't think that the previous comments should have ever been allowed to be made on the platform since he should have been removed for TOS violations.

Also for those asking how this should impact businesses going forward, a smart company should have a mitigation plan in place for any similar issue. It would have been strange if this was the first occurrence, but just look back a few years for 8Chan. This isn't the first time, especially for an application that a bunch of the users had used since QAnon had gone there previously.
Do the “part 5 experimental licenses” have that ham encryption restriction? It sounds like that at the very least are exempt from the ham station ID requirements. Are they actually ham operators, or other licensed entities permitted to use the ham bands?
Two zip tie guys, one of whom was a retired Lt. Col. in the Air Force, and there’s video of a large group of men with apparent training and in matching tactical gear moving through the crowd towards the Capitol. One of them has an OathTakers shirt.

These were militia.
Should the media, or anyone, be referring to them as "terrorists"?

Generally a terrorist uses extreme violence to "terrorize", hence the name. A crowd of morons busting into the Capitol building, calmly wandering the hallways, and taking selfies, scarcely meets the definition, even if some of the politicians felt terror.

If only the 9/11 terrorists, and all terrorists, were this tame.
Rightfully so in this context, tech is playing a very active part.
When you get the dry fact that the capital was stormed by right-wing extremists, alongside the "dry fact" that it was actually an anti-fa false flag, how do you choose which to run, how to order them, etc...?

The right in the US right now sees "dry facts" as biased. Thinking there is a middle ground in them right now is missing what is going on.

Your solution either leads to giving conspiracy theory and lies legitimacy, or having to make calls that will be seen as biased anyway.
Computer OLED monitors are coming
Half the people believe America is overrun by the nazis or the fascist. And they the heroes fighting them, and when people from other countries look at them weirdly, when people who understand and felt what an oppressive regime does to a man, say what are you talking about, they double down.

It would be a fun experiment to see how many times those two words occur on average daily on HN.
I have some doubts about this claim of Trump "violating their ToS repeatedly" I just google'd "trump tos violations list" and nothing like a clear list came up. That should be relatively easy, right? Especially after 1/6? Here's a search from before this year:

https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+twitter+violations+%22...

"When the looting starts, the shooting starts" came to mind (you have to go to archive.org to view it, which is kinda sad in a way... are videos of the 3rd Reich next to go?):

https://web.archive.org/web/20200701003329/https://www.latim...

Can anyone come up with one?
He wanted to run for office in the future and saw catching a felony as a risk to that goal
America needs another Dick Cavett for a younger generation in that regard (or multiple!). Less pandering, emotionally and intellectually intelligent, honest, but still relatable and still cognizant of his audience.

It definitely kicks the cynical view that people are only interested in bites that satiate a short attention span.
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I agree. I think there's a real market for an _extremely_ boring news site. 4-5 paragraph articles, sentiment analysis to be "neutral", some way to link to context and history on topics, and links to source documents. Same for weather. Here's the forecast- no flashing text and stupid names for every single storm.
I simply said neonazis because - I'm assuming - we both agree that we don't want their numbers to grow, don't want our society to conform to their racism, etc.

And since I read a lot of HN comments about how free speech needs limits to "handle nazis", and since you said no, I became interested in what's your opinion on this problem. Thanks for the fast and detailed reply!

> [definition of fascism]

Yeah, that works. Usually I just say it's a method of obtaining and maintaining power through populist ultranationalism, palingenetic rhetoric with a certain aesthetics, etc.

> To be clear what I mean is that if you cause damages and there are victims of the "crime" then you should be held accountable.

Do I correctly assume that this is very similar to the libertarian idea of using/extending tort law for as many things a possible?

> slippery slope

Um, just a nitpick, but a slippery slope argument is usually a fallacy.

So, what I'm trying to say is that we already have limits on it. And while I think continuously extending those limits - just as Hitchens's fire fire fire speech from 2006 argues [0] - is a noble goal, but also as other comments said it's Twitter's or Jack Dorsey's freedom to not be a mouthpiece of someone. Which is interestingly the same thing as your example. Just instead of the feds trying to force you to say something it's Trump trying to force/coerce/pressure Twitter to host him. (Which is basically the "free association" part of liberties.)

> [decentralized accountable media]

I wholeheartedly agree. I'm still bitter about how instead of evolving RSS, PubSubHubBub, PingBack and stuff to something more, we just got Facebook, Twitter, WordPress and Blog Fucking Spot.

Yet it's hard to deny how powerful network effects are. This sort of means every niche will have its own "natural monopoly". (For example despite all its money Google was not able to seriously contest FB, nor WhatsApp. And FB was only able to contain it and Instagram by buying them.)

Aaaand, while I very much like Signal, it's yet another centralized thing.

... and yes, I know it's hard to make a decentralized platform. Federation is hard, spam, sybil attacks, reputation accounting. Though maybe with Bitcoin Lightning (or similar) someone could put together the right microeconomics (incentives for cooperation).

[0] I like his argument about how the freedom of speech is also about having the freedom to hear other's speech. Hear criticism about oneself, and so on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Hg-Y7MugU
Agree. Our DHCP pool is around 200, so we're not talking a huge amount of data. If I were running any bigger of a LAN I'd definitely ratchet the skookum factor up.
We have to keep talking to each other, we have to hold each other to a high standard, we have to recognize the profit motives of large media companies and we have to stop trying to demonize groups of people we don't like.

If we keep on this path, it only gets worse.
SQL is easy, data is hard.
> The people who stormed into the capitol believe that they were doing so as a part of a fight against fascism, and I am now starting to think that a lot of my left wing friends simply don't understand what these people think.

I think this is wishful thinking. Somehow I trust more this explanation: https://mobile.twitter.com/SlavaMalamud/status/1347378198359...
Can HN just collectively hold their horses please? That goes for any tech-journalists who may be reading this too.

That github issue contains a bunch of people who aren't even sure whether their methodology makes any sense, yet HN is already taking the title as a foregone conclusion.

In fact the current consensus on that github issue (for probably the next 10 minutes) is "it seems RDRAND is fine after all".

Let the poor people conclude their research before you go and make a big deal out of it. You will cause them great embarrassment if it turns out the cause was something less spectacular.

Thank you.
Why would the boot process need to generate UUID's? And even if it does, why would it need truly random UUIDv4s instead of simple UUIDv1s?
Correct. Although nearly all our users choose the $20/year plan.
Like most defenses of tech censorship, this is really an defense of any kind of censorship, whether by private companies or the government. If there's really no way of dealing with "cancerous ideas" other then censorship, then why entrust this vital job to tech companies?
I think it was hyperbolic about Pence betraying Trump. I could be wrong, but I don't think there is any proof that any of them were planning on hurting congress.
Something from Mikrotik, perhaps a hAP AC2? I'm a big fan of RouterOS for a home/prosumer use-case (I used a hEX myself)
As far as I can see, systemd still attempts to use rdrand for UUIDs regardless of how /dev/urandom is initialized. Perhaps a solution less vulnerable to the rdrand problem, is to use getrandom() directly if the pool is guaranteed to be initialized (but still, very few users can benefit from it due to the limited deployment of systemd-boot).

> When generating Type 4 UUIDs, systemd tries to use Intel’s and AMD’s RDRAND CPU opcode directly, [...] If RDRAND is not available or doesn’t work, it will use synchronous getrandom() as fallback, and /dev/urandom on old kernels where that system call doesn’t exist yet. This means on non-Intel/AMD systems UUID generation will block on kernel entropy initialization.
Though by nature the internet is an interconnected network of large tech companies. If the club has decided to ban you, even if you build your own datacenters, you may have trouble peering into anything useful.
It's impossible to believe that Facebook, Twitter, iPhones, and Google weren't in major ways used by the perpetuators and organizers of the assault on the capital to facilitate their criminal conspiracy and actions.

Selective enforcement of rules is being used to against political positions and, let's face it, competing platforms.

>Although parlor was only used for hate,

I don't think that is in evidence.
One can not appease bad faith actors without being taken advantage of.
Man, I really hope this is a byproduct of law enforcement swinging too far in the, "take everything seriously now" direction after last Wednesday, and not actual credible threats of specific violence in every state...
There are plenty, but many work without recognition. And these days it's probably safer that way.
> Beyond holding liars accountable, we do need to do a better job of making the truth more easily accessed. Perhaps holding elections in some sort of open source / public format would help... then you could look up your own vote and the votes of your friends to confirm, and also double check the counts across the nation.

Private votes is itself a practice with very strong reasoning behind it, to prevent coercion and such. So I can't really get behind this.

But yes, it points directly at the problem right now: if recounts and audits overseen by agencies run by members of their own political party aren't enough for these people, what would be?

How far should we be asked to go to appease these people?

Could we even reasonably appease them? When others are constantly shouting from their TV that they're being abused?
> If you took the beliefs of the people involved in the insurrection to be true, you probably would join an insurrection as well.

This is not an excuse. See below.

> Trump supporters believe this because they have been lied to repeatedly for years without corrections they found to be believable. How do we correct these firmly held (but false) beliefs?

The reason these beliefs don't excuse anything is because they arguably do not believe them in the first place. These people are not stupid -- they do not have a problem thinking things through when it suits them.

The problem here is a culture of impunity. These people thought they could do this and face no consequences. Look no further than their shock and dismay at the (very light) treatment they're getting right now.

Yes, we should hold the liars accountable. But we should be just as harsh on the people who actually stormed the Capitol. We need to break this culture of impunity now -- by meting out harsh consequences -- before they try it again.
Here is an interesting version of 'any one with access to information can leak it, even if you secure your side'.
https://threatpost.com/social-profiles-leaked-chinese-data-s...
> The sad fact is your comment exposes how difficult it is for anyone in the tech industry to hold a sincere conviction that free speech is a good thing, which until recently would've been astounding. It's a giant backwards step.

Free speech is a good thing. And if algorithmic ranking weren't involved, I would probably still hold to the notion that the appropriate cure for bad speech is usually more speech.

But I've come to understand that even when some of a thing is good, more of it is not always better.

By all means we need vigorous debate and principled stances arguing about where the line should be drawn, and what are the appropriate consequences for stepping over it, but "fire in a crowded theater" is just the obvious case when we have people nattering on about how it's stupid to prevent people from walking around with spare cans of cans of gasoline, just in case and ... "hey, did you know that if the fuel-to-air mixture is rich enough, gasoline actually won't catch fire? Here is your complimentary box of matches BTW."

We desperately need better models and mechanisms for regulating speech that don't require heavy handed censorship by the government or outright bans by private parties, and it would be great if these mechanisms can be meaningfully exercised at the edge of the network (or social graph) rather than centrally deployed, but I'm not sure how to get there from here without the various failure modes bringing everything crashing down around us anyway.
You sound almost like you want to give these people a pass. People get lied to all the time. The vast majority of them don't respond by forming an unruly mob of slathering idiots.
That's a preview of what they would look like when shared on twitter.
More specifically, Brave's clever use of "farbling" is one really neat element of the anti-fingerprinting logic. After all, if a browser just blocks access to certain APIs, that blocking itself could be enough to fingerprint a user. We instead farble the results of certain APIs: https://brave.com/privacy-updates-4/
What mechanism would you propose to implement your suggestion? Some kind of Ministry of Truth, or Council of Honesty? Or maybe just run everything everyone says through a fact-checker app and if they fail, lock them up?

We have laws for actual harmful lies, such as falsely shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater. But beyond that, it's a grey area, slippery slope, etc.
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I followed him on Twitter before he left the intercept and before Substack. I used to respect him.

He thought the laptop story was true and barked about it for days. He had no evidence to think it was true, it just was to him.

His substack work was after he humiliated himself on Twitter and is largely trying to justify how stupid he was.
I think a reasonable person would use "terrorist" to describe the dude running around with zip cuffs and a presumed intent to do something crazy, not the people staying inside the rope lines. Let's not forget the larger group who did not even split off to go to the Capitol building. The "terrorists," the "stormers," the "rioters," and the "protestors," all refer to different, and progressively larger sets of individuals.
If you build your entire business on a platform controlled by one entity and they decide they don't like you then you better hope none of the debt is secured because that's the end.

It's surprising and disappointing how few people get this. It's like the idea that profit requires selling things for more than they cost.