skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
There's a lot of good thinking here, but all of these suggestions share the same failing as integer scores: They still don't preclude bandwagoning. A polarizing and emotional rant with a five-star/bright-green/100%-bar rating is barely less susceptible to mob voting than a polarizing and emotional rant with 55 points.

That said, I don't think hiding scores is the only solution to this problem. I'd like to suggest an escape valve of sorts: If we accept that, from time to time, a bandwagon-bait comment will inevitably get voted up, we can consider a mechanism to deflate it. There is a simple way, to designate moderators who can demote these comments; then there is a more interesting way:

I hypothesize that there is an observable pattern to the votes over time of bait comments. It would be very interesting to see a comparison of highly-rated comments through a histogram: Is there a particular curve that insightful comments follow? Do bait comments have a signature spike at their tipping point? Can these be modeled in a straightforward way? The system could then be set up to slow, halt, or even reverse upvoting when a comment fits the model.
They make themselves look silly/incompetent/time wasters in front of the judge. Even if you are not a lawyer, you probably realize you should not piss off a judge.
I stopped recently. I find the news are always late due to moderation, and there are just way too many 3-5 Funny than I'd like.

Plus I believe anything you can find there, also has been posted here.
I don't know what it is about HN but for me this is now my "go-to" news site about computing. It used to be Slashdot, then Digg, then Reddit but now I find myself refreshing the HN an embarassingly frequent amount of times.

The thing that I'm quite honestly shocked at is the lack of trolling of flamewars on here. That is a huge turnoff for these types of websites for me. For example I used to love Fark until the comments went from funny to constant flamewars.

So based on that I don't think comment scores will make much of a difference for me. It's the kind of people this site draws and the comments they make. I will say that if showing comments tends to encourage flamewars by all means do not bring it back!
Good article. What would be an example of premature scaling in a startup? Too many hires?
>The person with direct knowledge told Reuters on Friday that an intrusion at Lockheed was related to a recent breach of "SecurID" token authentication technology from EMC Corp's EMC.N RSA security division.

You mean they didn't immediately start changing their system when RSA's key was stolen? Then, IMO, they had it coming.

edit: a thought just occurred to me. Is the reason this is such a great "theft of a nation"-type action because there are known weaknesses that could be exploited easily? I wonder what would happen if military tech were developed with "Open Hardware" goals in mind... security-through-obscurity only works until someone looks.
Thanks for the bug reports. I'm now extracting the Year from the IMDB page and making sure the Netflix matches correctly on the year or else I throw out the row.

The main problem, is the first search result for "Toy Story" on netflix search was "Toy Story 3".
Ping me: jonathan@hackersandfounders.com.

I have a hunch I may know a bit more of the story around this through Hackers & Founders. If it's the group that I'm thinking about I might be able to help.
All fixed :) Now I make sure the year matches as well as the title.
I wouldn't talk to a VC (to obtain venture capital) until you can show them how to turn their capital into substantial profit by giving it to you to spend.
You're a surly one aren't you?

The comment I replied to basically implied that only neat projects have come from Google's APIs and nothing more. This came after his comments about how one shouldn't build a business off a not-for-profit API.

In my mind it's an incredibly ignorant remark to make. THAT was what I was making a counterpoint to. I could point out some very obvious examples like Tweetdeck or the numerous applications that use the Facebook API. I just thought it was incredibly obvious and not worth my time.

Most of today's exciting APIs are "not-for-profit." That is, companies do not charge for the APIs themselves. By your advice, nobody should be trying to build for-profit, real companies based on them. The primary reason why these APIs are created are so that they can create their own economies that are dependent on their platforms.

My comment was also generalized (much like the comment I replied to) to APIs beyond Google's Translate API. I guess you were too busy fixated on this one scenario.
Technically, it's the familiar form of "you" that is non-existent in modern English. It was "thou".

I agree that it's not at all obvious from my experience that there would be such significant differences between languages.
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Flagged. Chomsky is a tool.
Ah okay I see now, code-on-demand as a primary method does run contrary to REST. Thanks for clarifying.
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Pastebin's legitimate uses. I see it get used all the time for sharing debug output and system logs (generally between systems where there isn't any other easy method of communication).

The other ones may be prettier but Pastebin has mindshare.
You are allowed to code anywhere, at anytime you are not working. The difference is you get to choose. (Which can be a bad thing!)

I have turned down a number of jobs before because of a tricky/long commute (if I can't ride there, I am not interested), which has confused a number of HR/Agents. I value my time too much (unless they are paying me 1/4* as much, but they never are. Companies that are further away from the city (I always live near the center), are usually cheap in other ways too.
Or new accounts could be disabled from viewing scores, much like new accounts are disabled from downvoting. The only benefit a person would obtain with this would be to see a score with a main account and upvote it with a throwaway, where upvotes aren't really what we are trying to prevent. That would take down the overhead of trying to pair two random accounts together solely by comparing behavior and IP addresses.

My personal opinion is to let it run it's course. RiderOfGiraffes at the beginning of this whole dilemma posted single page mirrors of the frontpage of HN taken once a month (or week) for the past few years. Looking through that, specifically the comments, the only difference I saw was that the commenters were much more buddy buddy and on a first name basis. Unless PG wants to redo the entire site and use some sort of invitation system much like a private BitTorrent tracker uses, I highly doubt a public community site would ever "avoid the Eternal September". Open registration means anyone can come in and be themselves. This will always change the community. Moderation can only go so far. If further action is desired, further action must be done.
Don't forget the days and times you ask. This is a holiday weekend and while I may be lurking here over the weekend to vote for comment scores staying hidden you won't see the rest of the work visitors.
My brother worked at a bank in the financial services sector, and virtually everyone was Vice President or higher. The reason was simple. They were interacting with CEOs, and many CEOs would refuse to talk to anyone who was not vice president or higher.
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Prior discussion on this from the original source here - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2594982
Perhaps don't show them when a story is moving up, but perhaps start to show them as a story descends/moves off the main page.

I personally haven't had any problem finding quality comments on the site. What is has made me do is be more selective about what topics I bother to read the comments in.
I'd like to see something like scores return, simply because I find them a useful tool when reading; whether as an exact number or some kind of rough scale, it helps to know the difference between "meh" comments and exceptional comments, not just the sign of the score. Personally, I'd like to see some information about the distribution as well; a score of 3 could mean +3-0 or +10-7, but the latter indicates controversy while the former indicates "meh, not bad but nothing special" (or alternatively, "meh, not many people around at this hour" :) ).

See http://times.usefulinc.com/2007/03/06-sparklines for an interesting example of distinctions between numerically identical scores; in particular, see the "Middle ranking" section.

For one example of a non-numeric approach, what if comments had two horizontal bars next to them, one with about a pixel per upvote and another with about a pixel per downvote? You could easily draw useful conclusions both from the absolute lengths of the bars and their relative proportions. Consider the following, shrunk to fit within the height of one line of text:

+########
-######
People will want to know what city you are in.
Perhaps some modifications to /bestcomments would ameliorate the need for visible comment scores as a consumption guide. A tiny star or somesuch that linked to the /bestcomments page would seem to fit natural use pretty well.
Mostly, yes. "return" isn't the cause, though. Just a sign that the language's primary concern is the side-effect of running statements, not their values (in which case, having a result value would be expected, not a special case). A sign of different priorities in the language design: functional-by-default or imperative-by-default.

The begin block is how one indicates "do this, ignore its value (just do it for its side-effect), then do that and return its value" in Scheme. Some forms have implicit begins, however.

I may just be repeating myself, but I hope phrasing it slightly differently helped. What made it clear to me was learning Scheme and (especially) OCaml, then going back to Python and programming in a functional/expression-oriented style, seeing the subtle ways in which the design of the language resists it. Lua is more friendly to functional programming than Python (it has tail-call optimization, for starters), but those explicit returns still show it isn't a perfect fit.
Congratulations on not dying, then.

So do I, since 1996, and they couldn't drag me back into commuting at gunpoint.
The parent's method is still the best way as long as you do it by using replaceState or pushState where available, falling back to modifying the hash. This way, if Javascript is off, links in the HTML still work. (I suspect this is what he meant too, since changing links to modify window.location via Javascript provides no practical difference.)
If the final versions aren’t available, Samsung wants “the most current version of each to be produced instead.”

Given that Apple hasn't announced an iPad 3 or an iPhone 5, what are the odds they simply ship Samsung's lawyers an iPad 2 and an iPhone 4 and call it good?
That's a misleading way to put it. What it really undermines is the power of governments, regardless of the type. And that probably net promotes democracy, actually.
How do we know if the wires work well enough? For example we can talk so our communication tools work well enough, but what if we were suppose to communicate telepathically, hence this form which works well enough limits our ability to even think properly? Or let's say if the wiring had a little tweak in it we could significantly expand our lifespan?
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It's like programming. Sure you can do the same things in C++ and perl, but which would you rather implement a text parser in? Surely a prolog hacker will approach a problem differently than a javascript one?

Natural languages, I think are probably just as differentiated, even if it's harder for us to recognize it.
Another guidebook is "Unwritten Rules of Social Interactioms" by Temple Grandin. Well worth reading.
To the extent that improving the quality of comments is the purpose of having comment scores, the current system performs pretty well since the scores of one's own comments are always visible.
I hear you. I went from a 15 minute commute to a 4 minute commute as soon as my lease was over. I was recently considering moving even closer where I would walk 5 minutes to work. I would not drive 30 minutes to a job which paid me 50% more, and I would have to really consider one which paid me double.
They look fairly close when viewed head on, but then a lot of phones do. The EVO or just about any Android handset without a keyboard looks like a slightly bigger iPhone from the front. They've got a few more buttons, but other than that it's just a big touchscreen.

Turn any of them sideways though and the iPhone still looks better. This picture does a good job of showing that:

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Can we have an option for "I don't care as long as I stop seeing posts about the (un)desirability of visible comment scores" ?
I agree with this comment. There some web apps with no backend, like the games providing a hashbang url like "#!/game/1" for each session, storing the data on the browser. No backend means, we need to pick index.html as 404 page (I never prefer this way), to implement same thing without hashbangs. And there is no explonation for these kind of apps, in this blog entry.
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I suspect he read "typing return" as "return having one specific type" (i.e., "return an int (not string, float, etc.)".

That's a different (but related) issue.
Who do you think is in charge of those information systems? Non-bureaucrats?
A corollary is a statement that follows readily from a previous statement; I'd say this is more of analogue.
It is not only shown more prominently, it is listed as a factor considered when evaluating applications. So if evne if you don't care, PG apparently does. I started to.

I followed a multi-prong strategy and increased my karma from ~2 / post to ~4 / post over the course of about 4 months.

Things I (mostly) stopped doing:

(1) Carrying on personal conversations or debates about a specific topic.
(2) Commenting on controversial topics, esp. with an opinion that might not be in the mainstream of HN readers
(3) Commenting on things more than an hour or two old
(4) Commenting on items that already have a lot of comments and points where I expect that my comments will not get noticed.

I also find it sad that I have to consider such a thing...

...but it works.
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I also find it sad that I have to consider such a thing

You don't. I don't care about average comment scores, just whether I recognize a username for consistently saying intelligent things.
It's inherent in (human) systems to encroach. Read this and the following five chapters and gain enlightenment: http://www.draftymanor.com/bart/systems1.htm

Or tl;dr: Humans in a system resist to lose power, instead they aim for making their position permanent by expansion (rising importance).
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You're looking to learn, that's all that matters. Now its just matter of doing it.

I'd be glad to help, do you've an email I can reach you at (mine's in my profile)?
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This site just got submitted in the last couple minutes: http://hackermentors.com/ (HN link: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2596024). It might be worth a try.
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I believe the bigger ethics question is "Would we want to extend the length of an average life?"

We can easily surmise that saving our parents and grandparents would be an awesome thing (in many circumstances). As an individual choice, having loved ones around longer is good.

It gets stickier ethically the further we move away from the individual and go more towards populations. Where do we put them? Do we warehouse them? How do we manage to feed the bigger population? What will they do, as they must work?

And then there's the big scary word: Eugenics. It was advocated in the 1920's by Sanger, and later by the Nazis. However nasty the connotations are, China is currently going down this very path by taxation and restriction on number of children. Discussions that we thought were closed will come reopened rather quickly, when we have 10+ billion people here. Hopefully, we'll be mature, as a citizen of the world, to discuss these problems.
I'm a mostly-lurker. I only comment when I something to say that surpasses my fairly high threshold of "worth spending other peoples' time on".

On this issue, I'll break my pattern and post my half-formed thoughts, because to me HN was much more valuable with scores shown. The two main reasons:

1. Being able to skim just the top few comments allows me to read the threads, even on posts I'm not initially that interested in. Without the scores, I have to make an immediate judgement of whether I want to wade through hundreds of comments to find the diamonds in the rough. I feel like I'm now limiting myself on HN to only those issues I already know about.

2. I'd like to think that people might occasionally notice the more informative of my comments, infrequent though they may be. Without scores, my ideas may be drowned out by the quantity of other posts, which discourages me from commenting.

I understand the need to avoid comment wars, though the fact they're happening at all is rather disappointing. (Is the HN community really that petty that out-scoring those you're talking with is felt necessary, and rewarded? I'd like to think not!)

But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater: Leave some way to separate the wheat from the chaff. I don't really care whether it's low-precision indicators, or clamped scores, or a setting to filter the highest comments, just so long as there's something.
While that might conceivably be true, it still sounds an extraordinary claim. If you'd said 1-3 days it would be plausible, if you say 3-7 days it goes against most people's experiences so it's only natural you get asked evidence/citations.
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There are plenty of examples of sites that don't have a karma system, and they have plenty of inflammatory, insulting and personal comments.

IMO Removing karma won't improve the quality of the conversation.

Equally, anonymous, or pseudo-anonymous, comments give the commenter more freedom to make unhelpful comments.

Comments are tied to the identity, which goes at least some of the way towards them being self-moderated.
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You would think Samsung could sue Apple for making a phone that plays music the Samsung SGH-M100 was released seven years before the iPhone.

I wanted a Samsung SGH-M100 so bad but there were rumours the battery would vet hot, swell up and possibly explode.
Why is this news, hasn't this been the case since the very start? Any time I see a link to a pastebin site I always take a look at the public shares just to see what's up there and it's always filled with this stuff.
I'm surprised that it hasn't overshot Digg...
Compare the front of an iPhone 3G/3GS with the Galaxy S head on. That is an uncanny resemblance.
For Math:
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For algorithms:
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I would suggest not trying to think of learning this cool thing and all. That's wrong attitude imo. Java's pretty cool too, even though personally I'm Anti-Java. Continue with SICP, learn Functional Programming. Practice Cormen exercises with python or any language of your choice. Looking for a very awesome open source project, well hit this http://www.financialnetworkanalyzer.com/.

For inspiration:
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I've noticed an increase in posts reiterating each other: it seems that the wrong kind of post is being used as a substitute good for the wrong kind of upvote. For that reason I would like to see voting made public again.
Huh. Those Canadians again... j/k
FOA, it's not a good idea to code for search engines.

Secondly, pushState is useless for single page apps. It's not all about changing the url, what's the way of handling that urls with just a single HTML document? To make index.html 404 page? What about the browser cache?
Blackberry's have a simple feature that shows when a text has been opened/viewed by the recipient. Genius - I would love to see this in email.
I've always thought it would be nice if you could cause Ruby to dump its heap and symbol table to a file...

Another full circle back to Lisp. Dumping a Lisp image file is much like you describe. (Just sayin'.)
I tried to verify my email address, it then said to "enter a value" when I submitted the confirmation, then when I re-reentered it, it said too many attempts from this email address.
I've been in a situation similar to yours, and I'm just getting ready to make the jump from big corporate engineering software to my own startup.

I keep looking at all these cool startups and all the cool technologies they are allowed to work with and I realize that the only way I can get out of this job and enjoy my profession once again is If I become like them

That's a big assumption that's bound to make you unhappy. There are other options; why not apply for other jobs in the Java world and gain more experience?

People in forums like HN love to disrespect Java in favor of newer and sometimes better tools. If you're taking that personally (Java sucks; I use Java; I suck), you need some perspective. Java totally rocks compared to what the rest of us have to use. I once spent six months working in FORTRAN on a Gould/SEL. The only editor I had access to was "ed", God help me. There is always someone worse off than you. There people in my office who have maintained analog computers and entered assembler code byte by byte using eight toggle switches.

Working with awkward technology is a rite of passage.

What I would like help with...

The people who are well versed in all these tools, even here, are a small minority.

It sounds to me like you need to start having fun again with computers, and that won't happen if you compare yourself to some non-existent ideal.
I thought the article was "#!" in scripts from the title. I think the ops term is wrong. I know there other's using it, but it feels totally wrong.

The only javscript hashbang I know is:

#!/usr/bin/env node