skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I think the ultimate question is whether it's markedly better on average than what the rest of the market can offer for $30k. Covid has reduced the value of almost all education services that aren't exclusively online, thus has Lambda's perceived reduction in value in line with the average reduction across the industry or is it uniquely bad?
IANAL but that's usually not the case for most European countries, these guidelines are mostly specific to radio and TV.
Do tech companies post that kind of data?

When I worked in the automotive industry, the Detroit Big 3 American auto makers had figured out their cost per minute of downtime. They would even charge that to their suppliers and anyone who shut down one of their plants.

It was something like $10,000 per minute since they’re able to roll a complete vehicle off the assembly line about every minute
Oh, I see. Looks like their auth (state) servers are down.
In eclipse, you can do "ctrl-t" or "ctrl-t ctrl-t" to find implementations.

You can also refactor it back.
Ah, thanks!

Kinda weird it would totally break if the auth failed, unlike other services like Search.
Much of the livestock land is steep or rocky. The same obstacles to drawing a plough across it present to building buildings on it. Unless you're prepared to invest a lot of energy flattening it.
Google Pay contactless transaction not working in UK

news.google.com returning 500
finance.google.com returning 502
Especially one that breaks the back button.
Jarring reminder of how addicted I am to YouTube... getting childishly irritated that I can't continue to binge lol
> Google really is just an advertising company. Everything else
> "Alphabet" does is a rounding error next to ad revenue.

It's not like people would go and visit a page with just a list of ads; no matter how little revenue the other products around ads bring in, they bring eyeballs to the ads, and serve as a moat around ads.
Maps are partially affected, page review returns 500, now even location pages doesn't open
This is weird to me because the kind of person who can go away, learn, and make something by themselves seems to be ticking a lot of the boxes software development teams need (even if only at junior level.)
Migrated out od G infrastructure long time ago. The G Search working fine, G Maps down (continental EU). HN very laggy.
I was kicked out of a Google Meet call just now
Looks like some Google Cloud customers are offline too.
Same situation here at Liman 1.
That's a lot of text to index, impressive!

Is the indexed size 6.8GB or 14.3GB?
I use iTunes match with a circa 200GB collection (and then Apple music stuff on top). Can't remember the details of the extra subscription for match, but after the first upload pass it works really well.

Everything is automatically synced between all devices. Also helps algo find additional recommendations in regular Apple music.

I also use Apple Music on Android. Caching is woeful sometimes, but it does the job for now.

For Linux, can use https://music.apple.com

Seems to be getting better (has been quite buggy up to now).

--

I've been umm-ing and ahh-ing about going self hosted for a while, but I can't find anything that gives me control over my library and a massive repertoire of good tunes.

The latter is probably the biggest selling point for me sticking with apple for now.
Time to stop postponing that large Google Takeout for me!
It's super interesting that all Google services that I've tried are down _except_ for Google Search. What would isolate Search from the rest of Google's products such that it wouldn't be affected by a mass outage like this?
Thunderbird prompting me to login, and getting "Google does not recognize this email address" as a reply was a nice adrenaline spike, until I checked the status on HN!
Someone here in hn said at Amazon AWS they are required direct CTO approvals to reflect negative realities. Maybe that’s the case for anyone these days.
Customer confidence. Same as how everyone reports they have 99.99% uptime.
I noticed Gmail and of course the google doc I was working on were unavailable. I didn't come check HN until I said to my wife "Google's down" when she complained her email didn't work and she said "check the news to see if Google's really down"
My FOMA on Google+ intensifies...
The ideals of socialism are that the means of production are owned by the community. So it owns all industry as well.

Communism says that there isn't any individual property.

Scandinavian countries have never been socialist.
Seems like everyone going on HN now. The site is so slow
The part you’re missing is that they don’t tell you how they did the attribution, and there are good reasons for this. You’re assuming that you know what they know.
> Google really is just an advertising company. Everything else
> "Alphabet" does is a rounding error next to ad revenue.

It's not like people would go and visit a page with just a bunch of ads; no matter how little revenue the other Alphabet products bring in, they bring eyeballs to the ads, and serve as a moat around ads.
Has HN become slow due to the amount of people checking about Google's outage?
Is it just me or HN has become extremely slower in the last 15 mins? My guess: people want to find out what's going on with Google's outage since they can't rely on official sources.
UAE - down
Yeah for me too: youtube and gmail works in incognito mode
incognito youtube is working btw
I’m seeing poor internet performance overall, even accessing HN...too many relying on Google DNS maybe? Even ISPs?
youtube / gmail down in Central Europe too
You are right, the YT homepage opens up in private tabs. It seems strange, I wonder might be causing this.
This is a good time to think about what would happen if you lost access to your Google account.
You’re missing the point of the analogy. Progressive taxation doesn’t produce a cliff where you’re potentially better off if you make less money.

The higher rates only apply to money over the threshold.

Lambda school works the way many people think the US tax system works (but doesn’t). When you make over X, all of your money is taxed at Y. So it’s better to make X - 1 than X + 1.
In Italy, it depends on how much money you have.
Under a certain threshold you don't pay anything, most people pay something, I had to pay full price which was around 3k per year.

Also, forget having a campus, classrooms looks like they haven't been renovated in 200 years, you need your own computers because labs are too outdated, professors salaries are a joke, professors keep mixing their personal interests / companies with university - basically getting free work out of students for their businesses, majority of students move out of Italy after graduating because high taxes and bureaucracy make it impossible for profitable business to start up (estimated 250k€ in taxes invested in education lost per student).

I'd rather live in Italy than other countries but I won't uniquely for tax reasons.
So, anybody still feel like arguing that 'the cloud' is a viable back-up? Or is that a sore point right now? Just for a moment imagine: what if it never comes back again?

Of course it will, - at least, it better - but what if it doesn't? And if it does, are you going to take countermeasures in case it happens again or is it just going to be 'back to normal' again?
How's things like Stadia? Or is anybody using more exotic Google stuff? Like, how are their selfdriving cars doing?
> what response time do you expect on a page like that?

Faster than a free third-party website’s response time. Google should know they are down and tell people about it before Hacker News, Twitter, etc. Google should be the source of truth for Google service status, not social media.

> And what level of detail?

Enough to not tell people that there are “No issues” with services.

> I'd much rather have their team focus on fixing this as fast as possible than trying to update that dashboard in the first 5 minutes.

Google employs enough people to do both.
Appears to be only affecting pages that have an authenticated session; Youtube works in a private window, but not in window with cookies.
Say what you will.... I see and know a bunch of people wanting to move to america, and pretty much noone wanting to move to China.

Politics and propaganda aside, following the people movement patters tells alot about individual countries (em- vs im-igration ratio by itself, but even more the ratio of immigrants from 'even shittier' countries and people leaving to 'less shittier' ones).
https://console.cloud.google.com/ is down as well. Seems very much an identity issue.
All service down in Sénégal as well. I first noticed Youtube, then everything else followed.
In Eclipse, if you highlight the method call, you can press "ctrl-t" or "ctrl-t ctrl-t" to get list of implementations.

I am 100% sure Idea have some solution too.
Oh yeah that talk was crazy!!
I don’t think I’m explaining myself properly. I mean that if a car is already in a section of a lane, a bike would ride alongside a car on the left or right side, in the same lane.

Just like you couldn’t have two cars side by side in a lane, you can’t have a bike and a car in the same lane.

We have mixed traffic with bikes and cars on the same road, but they’re supposed to be sequential, not side by side.

Here’s an example of what I mean.

I’m on a single lane suburban road with a line of 20 cars all going 10mph. A bike rides alongside me going 20 mph in the same lane, passing me and other cars. The bike is 1-2 feet away from the side of my car.
The worst outage I've ever seen with Gmail. I can't log in, getting "Couldn't find your Google account" message. Also, with the already logged in account, I can't browse anything but whatever is in cache.
I'm definitely worried.
How many employees do you think Google has? Do you think they're all working on the same task?
Let us not make the best an enemy of the good. The overall benefits from vertical farming are good when implemented correctly. Sure it isn't a perfect solution that solves everything, but it is on the road to better solutions. And in my opinion a part of our future farming solutions.
Most of google services are offline.
Use duckduckgo to search for videos and you can watch most of them right on the results page.
Hacked by code-signed malware = Gatekeeper/SmartScreen useless
Dear HN,

I know we've recently had heated discussions if Apple's Gatekeeper is a useful tool for keeping out malware or of it's a nefarious spy operation or maybe just a new anti-competitive way to lock out 3rd party apps that don't pay 30% for App Store distribution. It was rarely mentioned, but Windows has kind of the same with SmartScreen, for the same stated purpose of security.

But much more important than Apple's or Microsoft's evilness level, I believe we should have a discussion about what to do about malware which is code-signed. It's not difficult to imagine that a determined criminal can find at least one badly secured 3rd party developer whose code-signing certificates can be abused.

This is not hypothetical, for example see this Microsoft postmortem:
https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2020/12/13/customers-protect-nation-state-cyberattacks/
which is about this attack:
https://www.solarwinds.com/securityadvisory

Modern software will update itself all the time and it's sending back and forth data to clouds all the time, so there are very few heuristics left to go by to determine if a given piece of code-signed application downloading executables and uploading data is a useful app like WhatsApp or a malware to be stopped.

What's your take?
You say "outage", Google will probably say "sunsetting" or "deprecated."
killedbygoogle.com is still working.

;)
That's not how the technology networks. That naive implementation would leave you wide open for sybil attack
Thanks for the thinking points. The ones I have actually thought about so far are

* bandwidth (BunnyCDN is the best I've found, and they and AWS do private pricing after hitting an aggregate of a couple petabytes a month). Offering yearly plans would help bring in enough cashflow to buy bandwidth options. BunnyCDN allows me good margins at the retail price.

* support load: will likely put in an hourly rate for needy customers, or do the CD Baby / Derek Sivers "buy us a pizza" thing. I'm also okay with helping customers off the system or firing them outright if they're toxic. But ideally will automate whatever gets asked for the most, and offer services from a team for creative work, at hourly rates.

* customer acquisition: put my own blogs on it first (I have a personal blog, and a couple of OSS projects), bring on the companies I used to work for that avoided Ghost because we had 20 people teams and it was too expensive, then go one by one from there. Will get my mom and her embroidery boutique on, then friends with their cooking blogs. If everyone is happy, can evaluate next steps.

I'm bootstrapping as well, but the good news is there's no cost to this (my own blogs will already warrant the baseline infrastructure). So I'd like to think I can take my time with this.
regular text search is working for me right now, but gmail and maps are totally broken. google drive/docs also totally non functional.
At this point Amazon and Google should just have a static page with green buttons for their status page.

They NEVER show red, or oddly even go down themselves during outages. ( Last time amazon went down springs to mind).
I’ll take it and I’ve already had and recovered from COVID. We know virtually nothing about the viruses long-term effects. Anecdotally there’s quite a bit to be fearful of.

At least with the Pfizer vaccine there were only 2 in 10,000, reported to have serious side effects. Much better odds.
GCP seems to be down as well.
Some stuff works if you are unauthenticated.
Pardon the pun but that is an awesome link suggestion. I was looking for something exactly like that! Thanks.
Different in important ways. There is no risk of ruin from an ISA: if you aren't earning you don't have to pay.

The idea is also that this aligns the school's incentives with the student's: if the student doesn't prosper, the school doesn't get paid.
It is something related to authentication. Even YouTube works without being logged in
All Google services down in Sénégal as well.
Google Services Are Down
I feel like HN's server aren't very happy with everybody doing this though.

Stop bullying the servers :(
Whatever data I have backed up in the cloud is synced across multiple devices that I use. Even if the cloud disappeared altogether, I still have it. The cloud allows me to keep an up to date copy across various devices.
Google Cloud outage? Looks like Discord is down too. Might be a coincidence.
Hopefully one of the necessary wake up calls for people to realize the centralized monopoly problem.
I really should try to get my stuff moved to my new address. Not self-hosted, but a non-profit that has been around for a while... Finally paid the membership fee.
Sadly it isn’t finding the first two books I looked for that are in the dataset.

https://openlibrary.org/works/OL7116092W/The_church_of_Chris...

And https://openlibrary.org/works/OL2525391W/Holiness?edition=
Then their status page is not unlike like target reporting in the USSR: completely fictional.
Stadia is down for me
Google is scaring the shit out of us, we were already trying to move out of Google for some past bizarre outages, and now before they went down, they outright claimed business account didn't exist anymore, our business drive and all our IMAP e-mail clients got kicked out.
same here from Egy
HN was actually down for me when I first checked. I was wondering what possible infrastructure HN and youtube could have in common before it clicked
Wearable sensor may signal development of Covid-19 even if symptoms are subtle
> why no home router makers have put ad and track filtering in their products is slightly mystifying

French ISP "Free" used to vocally advertise their router ad blocker (consumer interest).
They also vocally claimed to be the underdog and fought YouTube then Netflix (huge data volume interconnections are expensive).
If I'm not mistaken, in all the 3 cases they ended up "settling"
Sorry, yes I should have put these two points in.

Waste is a big fucker, as is the over supply of meat.

However where I diverge is that I still think livestock have a strong role to play in established and subsistence agriculture. I mean this in the way that fish can be put in the loop for hydroponic, chickens to reduce pests, or pigs/sheep used to rotivate fields. Not in the way that we devote vast amounts of land to pasture. (although there are questions to answer about how to manage rich grasslands that are carbon sinks.)
Gmail, YouTube, Google Docs and other services go down simultaneously
In my house, it leads to a hilarious echo of multiple devices responding simultaneously with an error message. Having only one device respond seems to be cloud-mediated too.
Stadia is down.
Gmail, Docs and YT down for me too in Romania.
Google page is right: servers are up and running - but not reachable. Could be an infrastructure attack (DNS?) or someone just broke the cable :)
YouTube Music failed in an interesting way. My music has been playing, but I started hearing ads (I'm on Premium), which prompted me to check what was going on.
That can have lots of reasons,like they grew up with it, were indoctrinated in school/college when they had little experience or critical thinking skills and stay due to sunk cost fallacy or tribalism, or it satisfies some deep psychological need to feel superior or virtuous etc. Plenty of reasons besides them analytically arriving at a position through a lot of thinking.
Google Workplace (EU) is down and also Google Cloud (login at least)
Google made everyone get an account trying to force Google+ on to everyone. They don't get to pretend like that didn't happen by not factoring it into their status.
Yep, HN getting it's very own HN hug of death from google
Somebody threw a Spanner in the works is my guess. Global-scale database underpinning everything (or maybe the giant that is colossus is having an off-day).
It looks like it is related to authentication, landing pages seem to be working, so going incognito you can still use youtube.

I would guess the search page does not actually use your credentials for anything since fingerprinting is separate from login?
As a consequence, many websites depending on Google services are stuck too. Like the nytimes.com.

Ah btw HN is being crushed by the load lol.
EA to buy Dirt Rally-maker Codemasters for £1B
For many others it seems: https://i.ibb.co/ns8DgGq/Screenshot-2020-12-14-at-12-10-17.p...
This is probably like an user flood wave, crushing all platforms in its wake. Give it 10 minutes and Reddit will be down as well :)
Everything is affected. Its Gaia(Google Auth) outage, most probably.

Disclaimer - Googler here whose workplace chat is not working.
I cant even access my Google+ at the moment!
At times like this I am thankful of running a Google takeout periodically.

Not because I use it as a live failover for Google services, but because these outages are good reminders of the mortality of online services.
You can set a few variables to change where these files go:

• 'directory' controls where swap files go, toggled by 'swapfile' (default on), filenames like […].swp; ~/.cache/vim/swap// is a good choice.

• 'undodir' controls where undo files go, toggled by 'undofile' (default off), filenames […].un~; ~/.cache/vim/undo// is a good choice.

• 'backupdir' controls where backup files go, toggled by 'backup' (default off), filename […]~; ~/.cache/vim/backup// is an interesting choice.

Arch Linux actually ships a runtime file that sets these paths, creating the directories if they don’t exist: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages....

(Note that the double trailing slashes are significant and necessary if you’re using a central location for these files. Refer to the help for explanation.)
They don't seem to be checking the front-page before submitting the 50th "Google is down!" post
We've got about 3,000+ people a minute hitting Downforeveryoneorjustme.com, pretty crazy.
I think it just means the status page itself is not logged in. Apparently it should be...
Hacker News is also seeing downtime (not just Google)
"We're having some trouble serving your request. Sorry!"
Salads are economic to produce because they have no calories.

Calories = Light (energy) + Fertiliser.

Efficiency of an LED is like 40%, and Photosynthesis efficiency is like 2%.

In other words calories are expensive and ineffieicent to produce through artificial lighting, no amount of 'startuping' will change that.

Also nothing here is new, we've had greenhouses, artificial lighting, hydroponics, aquaponics, aeroponics and even vertical farms like 50 years.
This topic is so hot it's crashing HN!
Super long server response time and I get this error quite oftenly: "We're having some trouble serving your request. Sorry!"
The Youtube maintenance monkey is wearing a MAGA hat.
Down also from Italy
Interesting cascade effect of sites going down! I wonder where people will go next to check if HN is down?

Also wondering if this is perhaps the fastest upvoted HN post ever? 8 mins -> ~350 votes, 15 mins -> ~750 votes. I wonder if @dang could chime in with some stats?

Update: looks like it hit 1000 upvotes in ~25 mins!

Update: 1500 in ~40 mins

Update: 2000 in ~1 hour 20 mins (used the HN API for the timestamp)
I don't quite get the point you are making. Can you rephrase it?
It's been ages (literally) since I felt so helplessly out of a conversation not being able to check a reference instantaneously.

Weird feeling...
HN also seems to be loading slow with sudden inflow of traffic. Would be funny if HN goes down because of Google outage
Youtube, Gmail and Drive pages open in incognito mode but can't sign in. The issue seems with the account manager.
Research presented by the author here (no paywall):

https://theconversation.com/spotting-liars-is-hard-but-our-n...
better than a stopped clock
Fastmail is still up!
Google Buzz as well
Nice. I sure will try this one. It reminds me of my current favourite music player a lot: KDE's Juk https://juk.kde.org/
It is possible to reach youtube in incognito mode, so it seems to be a google accounts issue.
But why is HN so slow? Pages take like 30+ seconds to load for me (German vantage point, other sites are fine). Does it timeout on some Google dependency or try to use a Google submarine cable or something? Or is everyone just posting to HN about it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4GB_NDU43Q

Works fine once you log out.
oof i didn't even think of google pay
Discord also seems to have gone down for me. Also (probably unrelated?) HN is really slow compared to normal right now.
> I wish we could just remove the word 'chemicals' from the English language

and I wish people would read the full sentences before entering a debate, because it was completely clear this wasn't about the specific fertilizers usage in situ, but pollutant released during production ( one of many examples https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/06/190606183254.h... you can find, about every precursor can and is leaked in the environment ) and after usage (even assuming it's closed off, which it isn't, you need to scrub waste and put it somewhere or reprocess it at some cost)

is it so bad to be curious about these cost in hyper intensive production, especially since they aren't available in this press release?
google login and youtube down in Switzerland.
All G Suite down for me, says "Couldn't find your Google Account". Broke youtube mid-stream.
> It's kind of a tech company too, but in a good-enough sort of way rather than the "hey, we invented the transistor" sort of way.

Really? PageRank is not an invention like the transistor?
I've read their philosophy and it sounds great

Does anybody know any private school following the same philosophy for kids education?

I think finding different forms of education will be especially important for boys: girls thrive in the current school environment but boys seems to do much worse.
What is this bright thing in the sky?