skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Too uneventful and sometimes pretentious. Some episodes could have been done away with entirely and the result would have been the same. Nice polish and production though.

I did enjoy it as something to leave playing in the background while doing something else, or to watch when there's nothing else to do.
I interviewed for Google many years ago and recently. The expectations fell through the floor.

I've see plots of number of employees too. I'm not sure how Google will dig itself out of that one.
I would've thought Google remembers what you search while logged in and sells it off. Maybe they do it in a different way - never really thought about that. I'm logged into Google when I search but my profile fails to load at the top right.
Guys, chill out! We're DOS'ing HN already!
Gmail, YouTube, Google Docs, and other Google services hit by widespread outage
It's up in Japan
Incognito seems to be working
Discord was sort of down (wouldn't load), but I could log in again a few minutes later and everything was OK. My company's product is hosted on GCP and there are no problems that I can detect without administrative access (which I can't obtain because it's behind a Google login); services are returning correct results.
(Spoilers obviously)

I didn't enjoy reading The Looking Glass War, but it stuck with me in a big way.

A lot of the other novels are about intricate chess games, where you spend the time waiting for the other shoe to drop that clicks everything in to place.

TLGW continues with the format, but the other shoe just never drops. There's no payoff. The novel ends. That's a shit thing to read, and I'll never reread it.

But it makes the rest of the novels more bleak and sinister. You get the feeling that while the author is focusing on the Smileys and Karlas of the world and the games they play, TLGW is what happens when normal people take the reins without interference - and that's the norm. It's the author pulling away the veneer of glamor around the world of spying that he's intricately built up.

That's just my interpretation, though. It could just be a shit novel.
I went to Lambda School. The cohort based ISA model is groundbreaking. Lambda's execution of it is nowhere near a fraction of its potential
HN down?
Apple makes just one video game, chess. What they sell is not their own. Many of those games are available elsewhere, like consoles and Steam.
Not true. Only for written things like postmortems. Automated systems need to be vetted but can update things like status pages on their own.

The issue isn't "negative" realities, it is saying something while investigating that might break contracts only to find later that it wasn't true.
Is HN having issues too?
> Other crops are not just scaled up versions of salads.

I didn't claim they were.

But Salads are a good way to get a whole pile of principles figured out (contamination, environmental effects on the gear, basic robotics, deals with potential customers and so on).

> Bulk foods (wheat, potatoes, sugar beets, cassava, rice) cannot be grown efficiently in such vertical farms, at any scale, with current technology.

That's true, but that's also not where the next move would be. Bulk foods (more properly called staple foods) do just fine in regular soil where ever they are being grown, and do so reasonably efficiently.

But for cucumbers, tomatoes and a whole pile of other veggies vertical farming quite probably will work just fine and cost competitive with normal greenhouses.

A vertical farm does not compete with in soil agriculture in open air, it competes with greenhouses. Staple foods are an entirely different class of problem.

In IT terms: don't complain that the more efficient CPU factory doesn't make your memory faster, it isn't meant to do that.
who would have thought a lot of folks here also use google products.

for real, though, hacker news is getting slower every second since this thread is up. i won't be shocked if it goes down due to the surge of traffic due to google outage
Even HN is being hugged by death of Google
Discord is GCP and down also.
Down in Uruguay too
HN Outage
Google is down, HN is down, is this the end of the new world?
Your father had a hell of a life and looks like he made the most of it. Thank you for sharing this.
Looks like Hacker News is having trouble as well
Working in Incognito mode. Not when you logged In.
Hackernews is also having some kind of stability issues, either everyone is on here complaining about the google outages, or somehow they share infra.
GSuite all down. Confirmed in Japan.
>people are going to have to open their wallets, pay for the services they use, and support independent businesses.

Yes indeed. Right now news & opinion are largely limited to what is considered "advertiser friendly" - think short news cycle, and other problems.

The perspective of paying pennies for everything introduces a lot of friction. Luckily an alternative model is making roadway, mostly in Youtube circles: pay a couple of your favorite creators, and watch the rest for free.

The extension of the old "freemium" model, but this time based around stochastic balance between viewers who pay this or that creator. The paying subscribers often get access to additional material - one that's more geared towards fans or deeply interested viewers - while the regulars, free-to-watch, viewers get the general content just fine.
I’d guess Search is pretty well segregated from basically everything else because of how valuable it is - I’m logged into Google on Search and it works fine (unlike everything else)
they arn't prepared for such big news, you are part of the involuntary DDOS
HN is also down because everyone is checking whether Google is down
In the meanwhile, I hear there are problems in GCP too.
This week, AWS is smiling while eating popcorn at this as Ubuntu did with CentOS' news.
How long did your takeout take? It’s been 3 weeks and mine either says not ready yet, or when it is it will say unable to download and force me to start again...
Unexpected insights into early dinosaur's brain, eating habits and agility
>So no, there's no comparison whatsoever with CNN or BBC

Yes, in the sense that the US (CNN) and the UK (BBC) have had and have their gruby hands all over the globe, in occupation, colonisation, invansions, interventions, trade wars, national interests, resource grubbing, etc., whereas the Qatari interests are somewhat limited.

So, I'd take the AJ editorials on most matter with smaller grains of salt than CNN and BBC.
Well, HN's auto-hug of death. Also, probably most sites can't load either analytics nor ads...
Amusingly, downdetector.com is now down. Gotta love that cascade effect :-)
Seems like the auth solution that is down. Every service work in incognito/private.
Shared drives in Docs/Drive does not work. Probably connected to the auth service?
Someone forgot to hold down thr shift key when typing the third mark?

Secret status code to differentiate types or server errors?

A joke?
yup, all down in Vietnam too, this page took some time to appear too, so i suspect a lot of issues in the pipe (mostly via China i gather)
is it me or I noticed that google search rarely goes down? is it somewhat in an isolated system or a fundamentally different architecture?
Passing the “Is It Working?” Test with Serverless Architectures Is Not Enough
Haha, the irony!
Nope, especially considering the implications of this, with the amount of people working remotely. Google Meet, Classroom, etc. are down. This is probably literally costing billions every minute just in loss of productivity.
> gmail works in incognito mode

I mean, that must be a generous definition of "works"! :)
Mistakes happen... that page is probably still correct 99,9999% of the time!

/s
Amazing how many products are clearly getting affected due to this. The top 18 products on downdetector.com are all Google-owned or related
Down for me. Have you tried Youtube while being logged in?
I came to HN to see if there was news to calm me down, we just started business day here, and as soon I tried to login some 30 minutes ago, Google claimed my paid business account didn't exist, so I came here to check if there was some mass banning or something like that.
If you're self motivated enough to follow a curriculum on your own, you're probably much better off using online resources from MIT/Stanford/Harvard which are not only free but much better quality.

The learning environment described in the linked thread (200 students per teacher, plus blind leading the blind with volunteer mentors) sounds terrible at any price including $0.00. Many MOOCs have community boards, TA's, interactive assignments and cost little or nothing. If their plan is to just bundle that same experience with a job placement sales team and a private slack, then they'll just be yet another for-profit credential mill
I guess it's the demand of everyone checking HN to see if Google is down or not.
This affects GCP as well as Google's consumer services. I'm here because I was paged about low traffic for a service. Turns out to just be that I can't access any metrics at all from Google Cloud Monitoring (i.e. Stackdriver).
I think that is simply because all HN readers using some google service jump over here to check, because google's own statuspage is useless.
I would not compare a vertical farm to a traditional farm but to a greenhouse and then the comparison is quite favorable. Effectively it is a more acreage efficient version of the greenhouse at a somewhat higher energy expense per kg of produce.
A Benefit of Nationalism: It Will Save Cryptocurrency
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Considering how much the world relies on internet, maybe it’s a good thing that current ISPs get out-competed by non-profit, community owned ones.
My service accounts for the play store are all returning err 500.
For a second I legit thought Google banned my account for some reason. And I don't like it that I feel relieved..
The recent youtube-dl takedown had a similar number of votes but still slightly slower, I think. I think it was >500 in 30min and >1000 in 60min if I remember correctly.
I can't even load Google+.
Word from inside google is their auth is down, so anything that doesn't require auth should work fine. Log out of youtube, works fine.
Where I live, education is free and quality is strictly controlled by the governement. It's a bit rigid and not perfect, but overall I think it works pretty well. For that reason, we are usually quite suspicious of private alternatives. It's not only universities, even sport clubs are often non-commercial structures and instructors are required to have official certifications.

Americans have a different mindset, they are more business-oriented, for the better and the worse.
Even my personal e-mail (using google workspace) is not accessible

Did some asshole forget to renew a certificate or run the cron job to renew?
Everything down in Canada. At least everything that seems to require auth. Gmail, Gsuite, Youtube and more.
Blogger is also down, even for public site access so it's not only auth related.
Looks like I’m filtering out stop words a little too aggressively which is affecting the results in this case, I’ll take a closer look it in a few hours.
http://zetaseek.com -- install locally and search your data in private, connect to friends and search theirs.
> I'd much rather have their team focus on fixing this as fast as possible than trying to update that dashboard in the first 5 minutes.

It's not like they would be working on the status page right now, that work should have been done a long time ago...
Just a few moments ago, I wrote in my company's group chat this is the time when we buy NAS.
We have a lot of documents not accessible right now in Google Drive.
Nice. very subtle reference to our dependability on google products. you can still link the YT lecture from a private session.
Google Maps for sure, maybe some GCP as well (as console is down, Discord and Playstation Network as well are having issues - which seems like some GCP service)
It works fine. You can't login only.
I hope it lasts a bit, not just five minutes. We might finally question our dependency on Google services.
They probably do, but it is not essential to the functionality so it can work even if auth fails.

Fingerprinting happens separately because then they can identify you even if you are not using your own computer or are in incognito. Login is just a convenient way for you to tell them who you are.
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edit: redacted my phone number
edit: big mistake to add phone number
edit: I think illic is right, probably not me
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I think the criterion of tolerance depends on if the beliefs are open to falsification or not. Nazis are not up for a debate about their ideas and so can be punched.

I think misinformation is not really that problematic as the truth is valuable to most people and we seek it out all on our own. Its self correcting in an open society.
Seems to be auth related. Login does not work, and Youtube is also throwing Internal Server Errors, but only if I'm signed in.
So called 2020...
Everything went red just now.
exactly right
Curious that minutes ago I was listening music on YT.
BTW not all services are down.
And that's also true of most high brow, abstract school stuff. Like evolution. Even in countries where creationism isn't a thing and everyone "believes in" evolution, most of them couldn't describe a logically workable mechanism of evolution, they know a cartoon version but believe it because they "know" that "evolution" is true.

But would you say it makes no sense to read books on evolution just because most people who believe in evolution don't believe in it for the reasons outlined in advanced books?

Why did schools end up teaching evolution? For scientific reasons? To suppress religion in some freemasonry conspiracy?

You can ask the same about the race topics.
youtube-dl is still able to download videos, which is quite interesting ^^
In Norway, food self-sufficiency has been a political issue ever since the Napoleonic wars and the British naval blockade on Denmark-Norway 200 years ago, to the point that the importance of self-sufficiency were taught from early in primary schools at least until the 1980's.

It grew in political importance as the national-romanticism movement grew, and then blew up massively in political importance after World War II demonstrated just how little it took to disrupt external supplies.

One might reasonably argue it's the reason Norway isn't in the EU - Norwegian agriculture and fishery policy is based very strongly on a view on self-sufficiency that includes high subsidies not originally for the sake of farmers, but for the sake of national security. It's also behind a lot of the push for retaining rural settlements.

It's first in relatively recent time (last 30 years or so) that this has receded in importance.
Apparently Google "can't find" my account.

I was so scared for a while, then I found that all of my family members have the same issue. Then checked HN and breathed a sigh of relief :)
Accessing the site anonymously fixes it (logged sessions are not chaced)
Seems that Google has no budget to pay their GCP instances
The problems stem from the lack of top-level functions; everything has to live within a class. In reality, classes (or 'modules' if you prefer) should be low-granularity things in most programs.
When logging into any of my gmail personal/free and corporate paid for accounts i get "Couldn't find your google account" in red writing
It started showing red now
> the total lack of documentation for developers

I suppose you aren't an Apple developer.
Cool way to end 2020.... Pandemic and now no more Google. Thank you God :)
One rarely discussed effect of drug legalization is that pharmaceutical companies would start developing recreational drugs. I expect they would create milder versions of current drugs specifically for the recreational market. That market would almost certainly be huge. Because of this, Big Pharma ought to be one of the biggest proponents of drug legalization. Whether the net effect on society would be positive or negative I do not know.
HN uses Firebase, maybe that is the reason.
The nature of this downtime is quite severe. How are Googlers resolving this if their internal communications are down?
I know this sort of instructor-less has been experimented before.

Sugata Mitra tried this in Indian villages called "Hole in the wall project".
I am still listening to youtube bot on discord... Maybe it will crash soon.
Looks like the authentication services are having problem. I have account not found error.
YouTube work for me in Firefox just fine.

But I have it configured with some of the recommendations from Privacytools.io
Canada has limits in free speech and seems to be doing just fine as a democracy. At least, it’s muuuuch better than the American one.
This happened to me with a work email. For a moment I thought, "Well, I had a good run at this company.." My next thought was, "Ha, Google must be down - better check HackerNews."
I hate the fact that the status page is not reflecting anything related to it.
It's probably a running joke internally---anecdotally, I've came across it a few times on different Google properties over the years.
Everything red now: clean sweep
I, and probably many others here are like a status page for friends and family too... I had my wife thinking that the internet was broken, and tried tethering to phone and things and still didn't work, then showed me and I saw the status code errors and was like "it's actually parts of Google that are down".

I love (and am deeply scared by) the dependence of Google and the confusion of it with the entire internet.
I'm very interested in HN' crowd back-of-the-envelope estimations on how much this outage costs the world (when we know how long it lasted).
Probably just people checking non-Google sites whether it's everyone or just them. 8.8.8.8 at least seems to be working, as does Google DNS for domains hosted on domains.google.com.
Seems like services does indeed work in incognito.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20132520 Maybe this beast kicked the bucket.
Sorry but I can't provide more objective reasons why not use Cypress except that cypress is more about aggressive marketing and promotion, but not a useful tool for testing. I don't want to write node.js inside separate files, I want to use it without limitations, for manipulating with DOM and http.
I want to use normal async/await, as all adequate people do nowadays while using ES. Even when I wanted to make multipart-form-data request I found that it's not possible using Cypress. But it's quite a trivial common thing, I didn't want something unique, or am I?
That is Really Bad™.

People are going to miss critical emails with no recovery.
The way I see it, backups are a strategy to reduce risk of ruin.

For me, backing up to the Cloud is fine, because I find the risk of my home being broken into and everything stolen AND the cloud goes down AND the cloud services are completely unrecoverable is a small enough risk to tolerate.

I don't think it's possible to have permanently indestructible files in existence over a given time period.
Allright, what did Gilfoyle do this time? ...
everything is red now.
HN outage is soon to be the next one. The HN server is overwhelmed by the traffic due to Google’s outrage. :/
It's correct for me now
What's annoying is that synchronisation does't work for google slides or google docs. They are just synchronized as links to the webpage on my computer.
I find most edits to be typos, or other simple corrections. If someone has a business workflow where critical info is on something as ephemeral as Slack, and where history matters... Slack would be the wrong tool to begin with.
I feel kinda bad - I'm pretty sure I broke Google as I was uploading quite a few large files via Google Drive and it was chugging pretty hard.

And now because of that it seems HN is also hurting.

I'm sorry internet.
This is bad opsec
Might also add true believer (if someone doesn't do this the commies will end my way of life). And, from what I've read more likely, "my buddy will die for sure in that thing, at least I have a chance."
Search works for me but it thinks I’m logged out - it just prompted me with the 'please agree to our T+Cs' dialog.
same here - Mars
Not unlike Goldilocks sampling the bears’ home, what is just right, is often a matter of perspective.

A developers education, experience, and domain all impact how different abstractions are perceived. Sometimes having an abstraction can reduce cognitive load. Think of the configure vs convention arguments for frameworks. Knowing how to implement simple functionality the “right way” (within the paradigm of that abstraction) can make building software easier especially when collaborating with others.

I personally find consistency more valuable than having the perfect level of abstraction. Consistency, even if slightly more or less verbose than I might otherwise choose, means I spend less time thinking about the abstraction itself. It allows me to focus on the problem domain, which is where customer value exists. It has the added benefit of simplifying collaboration with others who are also familiar with the abstraction.
I think they are out of hard drive space.
reddit, nanog, 4chan, twitter — pick your poison
HN is loading very slowly too for me. Related to Google outage?
There is plenty of price comparison websites that one can use right now that allow one to search for a specific product and compare price offers.

One would search for a massage chair on there and find that some are cheaper than others and read the reviews to make an educated guess about whether the extra price is worth it.
All services are still down,
https://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en&v=status

Crisis averted, was not locked out.
Gotta take out all the data though when it gets back up.
> You said devs and technical staff were typing IPs into their browsers. Presumably this means the address bar, which breaks TLS.

Looks like you got confused. I didn't say that. You just assumed that.

> SSH derives a big chunk of security from key caching.

No, it does not. It is pointless to fill DNS entries for hosts that are supposed to have their IPs hidden behind DDoS mitigation services like CloudFlare. The whole purpose of the exercise is to not leak the IP addresses.

You SSH into your servers via IP, the IP gets cached with the key. There is no difference compared to having a DNS entry, except for the fact that you do not leak the server IP.

> If you’re using IPs you now can’t have an IP change

No one wants IP changes on externally facing hosts. You keep the IP static and if something happens with the server, you just reassign the IP.
I have some anecdotal experience here - my supervisor at College in Britain in the 1980s was a Hungarian mathematician who left Hungary in the late 1960s having had difficulties with the authorities. He vowed never to return to Hungary and had fairly trenchant views on the regime!

Incidentally, my supervision partner was also Hungarian and has now returned and is running a bank in Budapest.
Now it's all red
I agree that deep learning is not programming, and that maybe the title of the post is wrong. However, I agree with the sentiment of the article. The contexts that both operations are carried out in are closer together than the context of employing your uncle is to either. I was trying to highlight that it is more useful to focus on the similarity of the contexts and the net benefit of either method.

Also, if your uncle is better than your computer, then stop programming it at all. However, if he was actually any good, then he shouldn't be talking to you, and you shouldn't be giving him any beer. Unless he was banned by the bookmaker.
Seems the issue is related to the google authentication system since if logged out you can visit youtube without error