skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Canada approves Pfizer coronavirus vaccine, will start administering within days
Here's some detail in the capture:

https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1336119868182077445/pho...
They choose how to spin stories based on biases to the point where they are effectively reporting different "facts".

The other week I posted the below, which are headlines for the same 3 stories on the same day from CNN and Fox, arguably 2 of the biggest "news" sources in the U.S. These headlines are effectively opinions with the aim of gaslighting their respective audience. It's not healthy.

FOX: Trump touts historic stock market jump as Dow tops 'sacred number,'

CNN: Dow tops 30,000 for the first time ever as Biden transition begins

FOX: Biden's pick for national security adviser defended anti-Trump Steele dossier

CNN: 'The team meets this moment:' Biden introduces top admin nominees

FOX: Happy Thanksgiving! State relaxes gathering limits ahead of holiday

CNN: Doctor fights back tears describing single day of heartbreaking losses
Sure, but improvement to the education system won't come into effect for decades, and in the short term, real people are dying from anti-vaxx and anti-mask misinformation. I know 2020 has been wild, but let's not forget the huge surge in Measle deaths, something that was mostly solved beforehand. Blocking certain content now literally saves people's lives.
This is the link to the actual docket of the case:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/do...

There's no indication in the docket that anything about the case is still live.

If you read the original brief, this is what it requests:

> Petitioners also ask the Court to consider this Application as a petition for certiorari, grant certiorari on the questions presented, treat the Application papers as merits briefing, and issue a merits decision as soon as practicable.

In denying the application, it is by proxy denying the request for certiorari, although I believe it would be theoretically possible to actually reapply for certiorari. (Looking through SCOTUS's rules, it does seem that Rule 22.4 suggests that this is the case)
If the election was totally normal would Texas still be suing four other states?
Apply and let the company handle the paperwork.
like the tantrum that OP posted about not bitching?
> Wasn’t that basically what CentOS started out as - as a community edition of RHEL that you didn’t pay Redhat for?

Literally "Community ENTerprise OS", yes:)

> And then Redhat generously offered to sponsor the project? And then all the trademarks and other minutiae of running the project were transferred to Redhat? And now Redhat changes CentOS to make it less like RHEL?

Correct.
I've lived in Austin 25 years and have long said "The price we pay for living in such a great city is we have to be surrounded by the rest of Texas."
I agree. However, it's better than not having any concrete plan at all, which was the case up to this point.
Didn't Howard Hughes move around for tax reasons?
This argument doesn't really hold when you're discussing a monopoly/social network.

Referring to youtube as "just a private company" or "just a video hosting service" is almost to the point of being disingenuous. There are no alternatives that come even close to what youtube offers. You can't just replicate a social network, and even if you could, who has the hardware and resources to do what youtube does?

Vimeo is niche/specialized, it's not for general video uploads. Selfhosting via e.g. Peertube only really works in smallish communities, due to hardware limitations and word of mouth discovery. No other service has the social aspect that youtube does.

The reality is that this is a much more complicated discussion than "oh, merely switch to another private company".

> I swear, it's like people have never had to cancel a newspaper subscription before

This is such a blithe comment that I'm not sure if you actually use youtube to any degree. It is -the- place to put videos and content. Nowhere else has the sheer amount of educational content, etc, all in one place. There's an extreme wealth of content that is not replicated anywhere else on the internet, much less spread across random websites.

Youtube not only allows for discovery via topics/related youtubers, but it also incentivizes people to make content due to income both internally on youtube and externally as they build a brand. I'm not trying to be a shill here, but without youtube I wouldn't have been able to learn about topics like woodworking, chess, bass guitar, music theory, cooking, programming, etc, to the degree that I have , and discover great content makers as well. Not to mention discovering music that isn't necessarily on spotify/etc.

So it's not so easy as to say "just use a different site/company/etc". What site...?
And if the wrong idea is censorship itself?
Uncited fact?

Anyways, I honestly can't blame "them". Less than a year ago, the mainstream media was full of "information" like, masks don't work, it's racist to think that hugging a Chinese could make you infected, and people questioning the origin of the virus were deemed conspiracy theorists. Now some of these are suddenly considered "misinformation" or "COVIDiots" and you have "conspiracy theory" on front page of Washington Post

What's someone who's not 100% plugged in supposed to think?!
I think both MLK and Lennon would be against the side calling for violence, considering how their lives ended.
Wondering if Prop 13 is the cause of Cal-flight.

Is it driving home prices up?

Or is it robbing the state coffers of a tax revenue that has to be made up elsewhere?

I don't know.
Why would you get banned from PayPal, Patreon, VISA, and Mastercard?
Let's talk about the root of the disagreement. There are two "models" of reality, that explain the two viewpoints on this.

One, I'd call it the libertarian model, is that people are rational, more information is always good, videos only contain information, and that all information should be available to everybody.

The other, let's call it the fascist model, is that people are not rational, people can easily be emotionally manipulated en-masse (e.g. Hitler), masses of emotionally manipulated people are a risk to democracy, and therefore any functional system requires punishing and suppressing misinformation.

People in the first came make a bunch of meaningless comments "This is censorship and encroaching on my rights!" and the second camp says "Boy we're lucky, and it's crazy how much of the US didn't understand Trump lost. Yikes." Neither comment convinces anybody.

The only way to move people over, would be to present evidence that the libertarian model is true, or the fascist model is true. Everything besides evidence is mere drum-beating.
Anyone want Stock signals before the crowds know?
We run an AI bot to find big hedge fund position moves/trades typically before the crowd knows. and we send a direct to phone SMS text. Best i've seen but I'm an investor. sizingup.co - https://twitter.com/WallStSizingUp
I'm on the same boat as @whiddershins, please take a moment to explain your thoughts in detail.
That's just Austria which is a comparatively small country.

In the larger ones (DE, FR) labor laws are a nightmare.
History is full of people with very clearly wrong ideas who were succeeding at the time. Something something, Godwin's law.
I live in San Francisco. I literally do not see black people. I largely do not see brown people outside of the service industry (i.e. they are "kept back in the kitchen"). I will largely interact with only white people and asian people on any given day.

Where I will be moving to in TX has more diversity than where I live in San Francisco, which is something I am happy about. My children will be seeing more black & brown people in TX than San Francisco.

But hey, thanks for casually assuming racist motivations!
That wasn't the media's fault, though, that was the Bush administration manufacturing an excuse to invade the Middle East.
Can the license simply have a clause that user is not in Amazon, Microsoft or any public cloud provider?
And it is spot on with my experience.

If you only work out a few times, it's easy to over-eat to compensate, but if you are working out regularly—5-6 times a week—your desire for food changes.

Dieting does not change the amount of activity you do.

Also, it is more important to be healthy and fit than skinny.
I'm sure the folks who died at the Christchurch shooting think differently, since the shooter was radicalized on youtube.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/8/22162779/christchurch-sho...
I hear BitChute is flourishing.
You're free to go to $VPS_PROVIDER and host a video.
They did something similar to where I live. When I found out just how much of the cost goes to them rather than the business I stopped using them. It is better to support local businesses by just ordering pick up and and tipping them directly.
> Tells you all you need to know about the HN echo chamber

Actually it doesn't. Readers would need a link to what you're talking about so they could see for themselves what happened and make up their own minds about it, including whether it's relevant here. Sinister complaints like this never come with links because that would reveal the other side of the story, which is rarely anything like how the sinister complainer is framing it.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

Edit: while I have you: why is your account named after a war criminal (https://www.google.com/search?q=dirlewanger)? Someone complained to me about this a few weeks ago, and it does seem like a trollish username, which is not allowed here: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
>Does it really matter if some people believe in QAnon?

When it starts to get dangerous, yes. People are inspired toward violence when they believe that other people are killing children to drink their blood. For those unaware, that is at the heart of QAnon beliefs.

>If enough people decide that the COVID vaccine is important enough for everyone to receive (regardless of their personal beliefs), then that will be codified into law. No need for censorship to try and manipulate public perception.

Do you realize this is an exact analogy to what Youtube is doing here? They tried to let the people decide. We ended up with a result that was bad for society. So they instead tried to codify the "right" choice into the laws of their platform.
GoFundMe deplatformed Matt Braynard when he tried to raise money for the voter fraud research. He didn't even assert that the fraud happened or not and they still kicked him off for what they've said is "disinformation".
IDK if that is a perfect take at all. Sports plowed on, new shows, movies, and games were released. The only thing I see that went down was the available investments that could be made.

If you are an investor you are going to have a hard time investing into companies because there aren't going to be a lot of physical companies being founded and you'll see a decrease in internet companies being founded. Also, starting a business would be seen as risky with the unclear future of the pandemic and its impact on the economy.

This is why we seen stock and real estate investments rise. You add that to the fed rate cuts, and these are basically the only two mainstream investments that can be made.

Most investors into stocks aren't individuals like you and me who would otherwise go out dancing or go to bars. While there was a surge of individual investments, the bigger firms are attributed for creating the huge waves in the markets. Do you think that Warren Buffet/Berkshire decide to invest in retail stocks because he was bored due to not being able to go out clubbing? And when he buys stocks in something it outpaces what the entirety of WSBs does in puts/calls. And thats just one firm.

So, I find it hard to believe that the lack of entertainment (which was only really an issue at the very beginning of the pandemic, as baseball/basketball/football all carried on and plenty of games/shows/movies have come out) is the cause here.
> there are "other people" that will indent TAB + 2 spaces every new line.

I hope I never encounter these psychopaths!
The secret is to use little inaccuracies, and then not sweat the details, lol.

Ehh, I've got it close enough at this point. Its no where near a rigorous description of BDDs, but... sometimes an inaccurate but simple explanation is more useful than a fully accurate description.
Keep the elites outside as they don't fit into the left-right political spectrum. They side with an elite that gets its power from the left, which is turning very radical.
Making some assumptions about what you mean by "democracy", that's actually a good question. We believe in freedom of expression because we don't want the government suppressing information for the purpose of manipulating us, but in the information age it has become obvious that one can manipulate people by spreading information just as easily as by suppressing it.

For this reason, I am forced to wonder if democracy can survive the information age at all.
I'm not happy that it's come to this, but I can't say I blame Youtube for doing it. Everything's a mess from everybody's point of view, and Youtube has a big share of responsibility for the way things are, so I guess they chose to do something.

Is this the best way forward? Probably not. But atleast it's a firm, consistent, unambiguous stance, and not an entirely arbitrary one. Unless I'm mistaken, we've never had an election reach this point and then be overturned. Youtube is making a bet that this won't be the first, rather than sit around and abide the moving goalposts that will lead us to January 20th (and possibly even further than that).

Again, it's weird and awful that we've reached a point in society where a video hosting service feels the need to intervene on matters of "what's true" on behalf of the nation. And it's simultaneously weird and awful that our internet is such a monoculture that it's hard to find a high-quality service that exists in competition to this one.

But of the weird and awful things that have happened this year, this is pretty low on my list.
I wonder if Google will apply this same "it's settled per the courts" standard to the Bush v. Gore election. I've encountered a number of videos claiming it was stolen.
Yes, ironically property taxes are much higher in Texas than California.

And toll roads, etc...

In short, the money has to come from somewhere — if not from income tax then it will be from somewhere else.
This is correct.

> The Australian white supremacist who killed 51 people at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand was radicalized by YouTube, according to a 792-page report on the March 2019 shooting.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/8/22162779/christchurch-sho...
I'll bet EM travels more than the typical CEO, who already travels a lot. Especially if the company is international.

https://hbr.org/2018/07/how-ceos-manage-time

"About half (47%) of a CEO’s work was done at company headquarters. The rest was conducted while visiting other company locations, meeting external constituencies, commuting, traveling, and at home."

Shockingly I didn't see anything about time spent on Hacker News. There's probably a lesson there, or something. :)
Define widespread.
A lot of short, knee-jerk reactions on this thread, not to mention snark and downright flame. Seeing as this is at the top of HN right now, can we try to elevate the level of discourse a little bit? A few questions to consider:

1. Is content moderation necessary in online platforms?

I think the answer to this question is self-evident, but others may disagree and so I think it's worth posing. FWIW, HN has moderation, both official (e.g., dang) and unofficial (anyone with enough karma to flag/downvote). There's also built-in protections against flamewars (i.e., algorithmic moderation). I don't think HN would be the same place without these elements. Feel free to disagree.

2. If the answer to #1 is yes, how should content moderation happen?

This is a tough problem, and it's a lot to easier to find fault than to propose workable solutions. I definitely would prefer a more democratic moderation scheme for these mega-platforms that dominate online media today. But in some sense, every form of online moderation (HN included) has been top-down. And as we've seen in the US and elsewhere, democracy itself is prone to fracturing.

It's almost like we need a constitution for online governance. But could we ever agree on such a constitution in the first place? Does it need to be legislated (and if so, how do we get global consensus)? Can it be bootstrapped from the bottom up?

3. Setting aside the question of who gets to decide, should moderation be based on tone, factuality, importance of the topic, ...? How does one determine factuality? Is there something special about political matters that makes it off-limits for moderation? What if politics intersects with other matters (which probably is the case more often than not) - as in the case of COVID?

And of course, it's probably impossible to separate these questions from the question of "who gets to decide". That lies at the heart of all of these "what about X" complaints elsewhere in the thread. Truth often matters less than trust, and trust is in short supply these days.

Again, it's easy to criticize, but these are difficult questions. There are few easy choices. And unfortunately for the people who work on these platforms, inaction is also a choice, as I'm sure they're well aware.
I'm planning on leaving as well. Decided to spend a small stint in Lake Tahoe before leaving the state for good, but I'm not staying here. It's too left / socialist for me, and I look forward to the day I no longer have give the California government another penny.
I would say those claims based on the absence of evidence, or evidence that was proven fraudulent or incorrect would be baseless.

It's impossible to prove something didn't happen, so we need proof something did happen. None was provided, just look at all the lawsuits.
It's fairly definitive, the report didn't mince words:

> Among the probe's newest revelations is that Konstantin V. Kilimnik, an associate of Manafort's, was a "Russian intelligence officer." Manafort's contacts also posed a “grave counterintelligence threat,” according to the report.

> "Manafort worked with Kilimnik starting in 2016 on narratives that sought to undermine evidence that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election," the report added.

> "At nearly 1,000 pages, Volume 5 stands as the most comprehensive examination of ties between Russia and the 2016 Trump campaign to date — a breathtaking level of contacts between Trump officials and Russian government operatives that is a very real counterintelligence threat to our elections," Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), the panel's vice chairman, added in a statement.
Not a single mention of GDPR on the launch of a “privacy-focused” analytics.

I’m disappointed.

I just need an analytics solution that somewhat guarantees I do or don’t need to use a cookie banner.

I need to know how many people visit my website without bothering them with annoying popups.
Sorry!

The page you were looking for cannot be found.

The page may no longer exist or may have moved to another web address.

This works:

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-12-08/tesla-call...
Jeez. Remind me not to express an opinion on here.

Thank you for the clarification! I haven't had the extra time to tinker with the latest devices since it's a bit outside my day to day. That's a bit more nuanced and it's good to hear from someone who develops on the platform regularly.
That's everything with him. When he's out of the spotlight for too long he invents something to make himself relevant again.
It's all palette shifting with designated regions for different lighting directions.
Against tyranny of their leader?
This is the case in India.
We're debating on a public forum, how's that a tantrum?
While none for me either, I used to look down on HW RAID etc. Lately I've realized, such solutions are genuinely useful and more likely to survive/work properly, if the people managing it do not understand the technology, don't want to understand or just don't have the time for it.

HW RAID with red blinking lights seems more likely to survive than a SW RAID that works until it doesn't, because you lost all the redundancy and noone there knows how either work.
> I would genuinely like to know why you are so confident about what claims are and aren’t baseless.

Because he continues to lose in court time and time again, often to judges that were appointed during his administration and yet the rhetoric and allegations continue at the same pace.
> You're comparing a nearly perfectly competitive marketplace (newspapers)

Ever tried to start a new one? The network effects are real in print media too.
I doubt most of the people (like myself) disagree with anything you say. We can still think it's absolutely ridiculous that they're doing it.

I don't think they should face legal sanctions or anything. I think they should step out of politics. But yeah, they don't have to.
Can I assume that I am being downvoted because I suggested that "some" fraud occurred?
There wouldn't be a problem if there were three or four competitors on each social media platform. Instead we have near monopolies on status sharing (facebook), opinion sharing (twitter), video sharing (youtube), photo sharing (instagram), resumee sharing (linkedin), etc. If these platforms would decouple from their brands and allow competition, nobody would ask for censorship.
We only see what is in our bubble.
Some things have been claimed without a single shred of evidence. A complete lack of evidence points to claims as being baseless.

(That doesn't mean that YouTube's removal of those will help the situation. Though letting baseless claims be a part of polarizing the country does not appear to have been the correct solution, given where we are now.)
Imagine having that luxury to choose to overpay by $40 to feed two people.
The media, hitech, and the Democrats are all preparing you for a gutting of the First Ammendment. That is all this is.
If Texas politics was totally normal right now, would Texas still be suing four other states?
Elon flies using a well known private jet. Guessing his whereabouts is likely easy.
I do believe he has lost a lot of juice, but even if the hardcore viewers have stuck with him, he at least is not growing anywhere as fast anymore. If anything, this means he should've been deplatformed much sooner. The longer you wait, the more you are allowing them to grow their roots in.
Can we stop allowing titles that are just the URL or some code name for a project? It forces you to click on the link to know what the website is about.

In case this gets fixed: the title of this post as of writing is just the URL right now.
And this is exactly why we need the social media companies to step in. Because Trump has successfully created uncertainty where there is in fact no question.
You can vouch for stories. It works the same way as for comments: click on the timestamp to go to its page, then click 'vouch' at the top (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cvouch).

Vouch links only show up when a post is [dead], though. In this case there were enough flags to show [flag] but not enough to kill it.
I think Google would be more than happy to take a hands off approach. The issue is that the PR hit for being alleged to "radicalize" people or promote fringe views had becomes smaller than the PR hit of censorship.
We’re not. Propaganda works.

We’ll probably end up with almost a million Americans dead from COVID, largely because “the big lie” is effective.