skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
YouTube (of Google), Facebook and Twitter are three different sources of (peer-propagated) information, and even combined do not constitute a centralized source of information.

It does seem like they are used for "news" way more than (in my personal opinion) is advisable, but they are still each independent organizations, and they do not hold (quite) all of the keys to information, and still want to preserve a reputation of impartiality, as difficult and impractical of a goal as that is.

It's certainly a problem when other sources of information loudly pronounce misinformation as fact. If you only compare YouTube and a single other competing news source, you might feel it's rather odd that YouTube is choosing to stop information of a certain nature. If you look widely enough, you are more likely to find that the information is false, and it was your original comparison source that was, in fact, problematic.

The point of all this is that there needs to be more sources of valid, factual information than sources of the same problematic false information, or we are all going to lose the ability to determine any reasonable facsimile of truth. The fact that is it peer-propagated certainly entangles a complexity that is reflected in the very divided opinion on this issue.

But I think in the end it will boil down to something simple. Like other things we've previously agreed should not be free to be amplified on peer networks, likewise demonstrably false information sourced from the government of the people should also not be free to find amplification on those peer networks.
Well sure, Reinhoehl shot at the Marshals first (according to some witnesses at least) and fled arrest. That is what was reported immediately after the shooting. That's not a summary execution, that's serving a warrant for arrest. That's due process of law.

You are changing the goal posts substantially. Wikipedia defines a summary execution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summary_execution) as being accused and then immediately killed without trial. That is not what happened to Reinoehl. He was accused, a judge issued a warrant. He was given the opportunity to come and face justice. He did not. Instead he shot at police. They shot back.

In order for it to have been a summary execution, Reinoehl would have to have been captured and well under the Marshal's control and then killed. Or he would have had to indicate that he surrendered and been shot anyway. That is not what happened.

Ultimately, this situation would have been easily resolvable had Reinoehl turned himself into police, like Kyle Rittenhouse. Sad anyone had to die, most of all Reinoehl's victim, Aaron Danielson, who for some reason (that we all know) is completely ignored in all this.
I guess that’s what separates me and you I have more faith in humanity. I think all this false outrage about data being sold on systems that are free to use will die down and people overtime understand that the Internet doesn’t run on pixie dust and fairy magic.

PS by fighting this point you’re merely pointing out that giving more businesses this data isn’t a good idea
Yes, the only real question is can other sites follow Youtubes lead? Really getting sick of these conspiracy theorists infected our mental spaces.
Don't worry, the decision will be made for her by governments and/or venues banning the unvaccinated from public places. All will be well again!
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When Gebru presented her demand letter and resignation threat James Dean probably thought she had no leverage and moved quickly against her. That was an extremely poor calculation.
That was amazing. History in the making.
I'd be interested in participating in a dialogue with this goal in mind.
Not to mention WeChat with 1.2B MAU.
I hope it will make me more grateful for the simple pleasures -- e.g. drinking coffee at a coffee shop without being scared. And more inclined to get out of my house and spend time with others.

At the very least, it will have these effects in the short term. When the pandemic lifts, it seems like a particularly good opportunity to meet people, to try something new. A lot of people will be in a good mood.

Hopefully I'll succeed in making something of the opportunity.
Oh my god. I was genuinely pumping my fists and screaming at my screen. THIS is the start of a new space age.

I will remember this as long as I live.

EDIT: ... and they just posted a new road closure. How many days before SN9 flies?
What does you having a PhD have anything to do with everything else you said??
There are two activities for companies like Boston Dynamics. They can either develop technology or develop a product. Those activities take very different skill sets, as Tesla can attest, and many startup hardware companies fail trying to evolve from one into the other.

My guess would be that Hyundai's product development organizations, in theory, can take Boston Dynamic's technology and integrate it into products that can be sold commercially. As an automobile and robotics[0] manufacturer, Hyundai actually has a better chance than Google or SoftBank since they know a fair amount about manufacturing machines.

[0] https://www.hyundai-robotics.com/english/
Some theories are more falsifiable than others. The theory that there was fraud on a scale large enough to swing this election should be falsifiable in any sane, working electoral system. In parts of the US, however, I'm less confident, since in some cases it doesn't seem possible to disprove the theory that an individual vote was fraudulent. Hence the problem: anyone saying it's impossible is just as deluded as the person saying the election was stolen. The system is broken.
> Amazon does not pay for most of the products you can buy on Amazon.

“Sold and shipped by Amazon.com” means that Amazon actually bought that product and is storing it at their warehouse.
The electoral roll is simply made up of legal names and addresses in each electorate.

Your name must be on the roll, or you can't vote. So fake names wont work. Nor will a name without the correct address.

If you turn up and your name/address combo is already crossed out, you will be given some sort of provisional ballot, while an investigation is started.

It would be trivial to learn someones address and turn up at a booth in their electorate early to vote in their name, but the irregularity would be obvious.

Also, it is very difficult to stay off the electoral roll or have an incorrect address, because most interactions with a government agency will automatically update it. ie: get or change drivers license details or get a passport, or enroll you kids in school etc.

You may be purged from the roll if another person legitimately enrolls at an address you used to be enrolled at, but this will be picked up quickly in practice when you change your address for any official paperwork.
Or, the winds are changing and the FTC under the current administration is following them. 46 states are siding with them, if that helps convince you.
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Well it is a bait and switch. This is when one example for speech that is perceived as acceptable to censor is used to justify personal beliefs about other speech.

"Fire in a crowded theater, and therefore you cannot claim that the election is disputed". The claim that some speech is not protected is not the same as the claim that because of that some other particular speech is not protected. There has to be a fundamental similarity between two sets of circumstances such that they can both be prevented for the same reason. "Not all speech is protected, that is not in dispute, but the speech you're claiming isn't protected actually is" would be the problem.
> Micheal Flynn was being charged for lying to FBI investigators about sanctions, when the transcripts of the calls were finally released by the FBI, it turns out he didn't even bring up sanctions with Kisylak at all.

This is untrue. Specifically, "lying about sanctions" wasn't what he was charged with. He was charged with lying about asking Kisylak to refrain from escalating the situation, and a large part of his call was about sanctions and the Russian response to them.

Here's the Statement of Offense[1], and the direct quote is:

FLYNN falsely stated he did not ask Russia's ambassador to the United States to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions the United States has imposed on Russia.

In the transcripts of the call[2] he says:

But I ask Russia to do is to not, if anything, I know you have to have some sort of action, to only make it reciprocal; don't go any further than you have to because I don't want us to get into something that have to escalate to tit-for-tat. Do you follow me?

and later:

I know, I -believe me, I do appreciate it, I very much appreciate it. But I really don't want us to get into a situation where we're going, you know~ where we do this and then you do something bigger, and then you know, everybody's got to go back and forth and everybody's got to be the tough guy here, you know?

and

And please make sure that its uh - the idea is, be -if you~ if you have to do something, do something on a reciprocal basis, meaning you know, on a sort of an even basis. Then that, then that is a good message and we'll understand that message. And, and then, we know that we're not going to escalate this thing, where we~ where because if we put out-ifwe send out 30 guys and you send out 60, you know, or you shut down every Embassy, r mean we have to get this to a -lefs, let's keep this at a level that uh is, is even-keeled, okay?

So it's pretty clear his original statement of offense is correct - he did talk Kisylak and ask him not to escalate, and then lied to the FBI about it.

[1] https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4320055/Flynn-Sta...

[2] https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2020/05/FlynnTr...
You’re still free to speak on other people’s property (computer servers).

Just not YouTube’s.

America is built on private property rights.

Americans LOVE to go on about freedom while selling themselves, their time, body, ideas.

Say what you want. There is no physical law or social that obliges others to carry your message or submit to your expectations.

Change the ownership model.
I think there is a lack of imagination here.
Perhaps a "social graph" shouldn't belong to any company. The concept itself might be anti-privacy.

Perhaps it's time to move back to simpler things like OPML. (Which people seem more comfortable sharing freely - not sure if that's still a "social graph" tho.)

Perhaps specific relationship details shouldn't be housed in the social network - just the permission to follow.

Perhaps companies who house a "social graph" should be regulated - similar to what is done with medical data. It should be a toxic substance.

I just think we're a long way from doing this right and there are a lot of untried options - and I lack imagination as well.

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This reminds me of the famous comic about org structures of various companies. [1] Perhaps this is why Steve Jobs liked to get his fingers in everything, to make sure everything flowed smoothly according to his vision.

[1] https://bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts
not sure if they do this but seems pretty easy to see just by looking at electricity usage
Good point. I guess that’s key, there’s no straight-forward path to monetization.
No, but they can effectively stop you from speaking online, which is what we're discussing.
Like laws, definitions change with changing times and circumstances. I am a Debian Developer and very happy to discuss this with other members of the community. Why is it important to you that such a license is not recognised as FOSS?
Walmart pays for some products on their shelves. Companies pay for product placement: Sometimes, it is a mix - deeply reduced prices for a holiday display, for example. Soft drinks are often serviced by the local distributor, and they pay only for what is sold: If wal-mart is anything like the pharmacy I worked at, magazines and greeting cards are similar (only pay for what is sold, credited for the rest, and a rep probably takes care of stocking things).

Walmart uses their data to figure out which Walmart brand products they are going to sell. Instead of using search terms, they use product placement, making sure to place their brand near the product it is imitating. Dandruff shampoo next to name brand dandruff shampoo: Mac 'n' cheese next to mac 'n' cheese.

In fact, it is quite amazing how much brick-and-mortar stores can figure out about people simply by analyzing receipts - in some cases, figuring out folks were pregnant before they knew. [1]

[1]https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-targ...
And yet, you haven't told us how you are funded or how you plan to be... And you retain data. I honestly don't see any reason to think you are any better than your comqetitors.
I also wasn't entirely sure whether the engine shutoffs were fully intended... at least the sideways acceleration of the Raptors at shutoff looked scary.
That's not how the human brain works. Repeat a lie often enough and it become true no matter how analytical you pretend to be.
Clubhouse was "worth" $100MM in the sense that A16z paid $12MM for 12% of it. That's not the same as someone paying $100MM for all of it.
From Everyday Astronaut's slow-mo replay, it looks like two engines both relit properly, and then one shut down (intentionally), and then the final engine throttled down and turned green.
well, as long as you're sure.
I think a lot of what folks see as a "Louisiana influence" in Houston is mostly "Gulf Coast TX" vs the rest of Texas.

It's not that it's a Louisiana influence, it's that we're all on the gulf coast and all have a lot in common. (Not with New Orleans so much, but certainly with Lake Charles/etc.)

That somehow gets misnamed as a "Louisiana influence", when really it's just the region we're in.
You still have to appoint a censor who decides what is false for libel, don't you?
Green flame might mean something copper burning that shouldn't be. Based on the size of the explosion it looks like there was still a decent amount of fuel.
> I know this comment was meant to be facetious

It absolutely was not. I'm a caffeine addict and my life is a lot better for it, as far as I can tell.

There's a continuous gradient between "medicine", "habit", "functional addiction", and "rock bottom addiction". It's hard to draw defining lines on other peoples' spectra.
> Your original statement was: "the common view of "underpaid" being a view that isn't consistent with the history of the space."

No wriggling. :)

To me, that statement would be backed by evidence that DoorDash allows drivers to make more than they previously made as drivers for specific restaurants.

To you, that wouldn’t satisfy the notion that they are fairly paid, because you believe they have always been underpaid.

I’m looking at “underpaid” through a lens of historical data, but you’re looking at it through a different lens, so I asked how you define underpaid.

Do you see what I mean?
i understand, and i agree that his inflexibility was a large contributor to why Google moved them to softbank.

since softbank though, marc has transitioned to a chairman role, and the company has put in a lot of work into commercialization. i suspect they are still mostly R&D focused, but they are focusing more on commercialization than they ever have before in their history.
The Raptor doesn't use TEA-TEB, it uses an augmented spark igniter.
> nobody would want to live someplace where they democratically invest in their community (i.e., pay taxes)

I don't think anybody has a problem with investing in their community, but when there's no return on an investment you cut your losses and move on.

Tent cities, rolling blackouts, no healthcare, no public transportation. What are you getting for the taxes?

I moved to Hong Kong this year. Public health care, amazing public transportation, no tent cities[1], and the top tax rate is 17%. It's not perfect, but this idea that the solution to every societal problem is just to pay more and more taxes is nonsense.

California has the highest taxes in the country.
If the quality of life there is worse than in states with lower taxes, then it's time to start questioning how that tax money is spent, not shovel more of it into a black hole that isn't doing anything.

[1] I won't say there's no homeless, because I don't know that for sure, but there are hardly any panhandlers. I know there is subsidized housing available, but I hear the wait list is long. Whatever they're doing, there's hardly any homeless on the streets.
>under the First Amendment.

If you're going to confine this conversation to the first amendment, then that's not relevant to youtube. For many the concept of speech in the sense pertinent here is broader than just U.S. law.

I've been on many HN threads where free speech absolutists make explicitly this point because they want to apply the concept of unfettered speech to private platforms, and they square the circle by insisting it's bigger than just the first amendment.
Stock market is real for the few privileged insiders, the rest of us have modest profits or even loses that pay for someone else's profits.
Thank you!

re: UX, I was trying to prevent accidental clicks to an external (ad-ridden) site from the search result cards. The little icon on the bottom right takes you to the source though.
That was about as awesome as a failed attempt could be. I assume that there were real engine failures on ascent, but it still all seemed to work like it was supposed to until the landing. And the scariest part, the belly flop maneuver looked like it worked just as it should.
Man, you would hate Germany with a passion. Ask someone on the street here about the noise laws and whether it's even legal to put your bin outside after 10pm or mow the grass on Sundays :-)

I love quiet so much more. The only downside is that without a constant background noise, every little thing will disturb you, but when the choice is between hearing what I want to hear and hearing background noise to cover other annoying things... the former, please.
Having grown up gay in North Texas and then moved to California for college, I strenuously object to your assertion that "folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexist here." It's truly leaps and bounds more accepting for LGBT people in California than in North Texas.
It "at-will" in the sense that your employer doesn't need to justify firing you. But I wouldn' compare it to what they have in some states in the US.

However you still have at least 1 month notice, and often more depending on the industry and seniority. Here in Zürich the standard in tech seems to be 3 month (anecdata though).

Where it gets kinda business friendly is that if you are fired for an illegal reason, it's up to you to prove that you were instead of your employer having to prove he fired you for something reasonable. The settlements are also nothing that would deter a company to behave badly I guess.

There is also a good tradition of union-like structure in the professions that need it (the ones where one is easily replaceable basically) that give workers a nice protection and benefits. It's not like in France of course but it's far from the US, based on the stories I gleaned about on HN.
I think that was the ignition system; the green flame matches. Which makes sense if they lost an engine, of course.
I'm all for MDMA PTSD therapy. It's a godsend for those who need it, but for couples therapy, it's not as straight forward.

I met a couple who was breaking up. A friend of mine noticed this and mentioned how good it was. What she said caught me off guard, but I was young and didn't ask why. Later on that night someone gave them mdma which turned into a kind of unofficial couples therapy. They got back together and 10+ years later they're still in a long loving relationship today. Great, right?

Well.. it turned out he was enabling her, and she was the breadwinner, but she desperately needed some therapy, unable to keep a job due to personality reasons. If he wasn't around to enable her, she would have have grown, and things probably would have ended up pretty well. Instead, for at least the last 5 years they've been homeless living together in a vehicle.

Love is a wonderful and beautiful thing, but not all relationships are good ones. A therapist, even a professional, blindly mending a falling apart relationship should exceed caution. Sometimes it's better when people go their own way.
This is patent nonsense.

You can quit Google. You can quit Facebook. I know lots of people who have.

Try quitting your government. I don't even need to fill in the rest of this story because you know exactly how well it will go.
For

"The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly, ridiculously false), "

I've paid fairly close attention to Trump's statements since 2015 or so, and I have not seen any such, certainly not one a day or hour.

If there are such lies, then I'd sure like to know about them. As part of that, I'd like to see credible references, hopefully to primary sources, that is, just following common high school term paper writing standards.

I will grant that maybe Trump (1) exaggerates and (2) says things to gauge reactions, e.g., the common "run it up the flag pole to see if anyone salutes".

But actual lies, you have one an hour for four years, and so far I don't have even one.

As you are an HN contributor, I'd believe that you want to stick close to what you can document.

Maybe you could document three of his serious lies?
I agree, and as a counter argument to most of the below threads, its worth noting that the Social Graph is likely to be consider a public good at some point in the future.

These are not the creations of Facebook or Google, any more than Anemometer (1) manufacturers should own the shipping forecast.

(1) The spinney half-ball things that measure wind speed.
>Every company does ecosystem lock to some basic level but Apple takes it to a whole new level and clearly people seem to be ok with it (and even praise them for it?)

Wait what? How does it lock you into anything? Sure, you might not get some Apple-ecosystem-specific perks if you are using their Airpods with non-apple devices (like the automatic switching described in the parent comment), but you still get the same benefits you would expect from other non-airpods wireless headphones. You can use airpods with android phones or your tv or whatever other device supporting bluetooth headsets, just like you would with non-airpods wireless headphones. You can also plug Airpods Max into anything using a 3.5mm jack cable, just like you could with literally any other wired headphones (and many wireless over the ear ones).

I cannot think of a single feature [that is also present on non-apple wireless headphones] that Apple locks you out of if you are using airpods with a non-apple device (e.g., the automatic switching between devices based on the content played doesn't count here, because I cannot think of a single non-apple wireless headset that supports it; you get the idea).
As most comments at this time profess not getting it... I read this as satire. Humorous derogatory remarks by and targeting the French and their intellectuals. As a European who has lived in France about a year I see good humour in this. The French (or should I say Parisien) are something else. You lose more in translation in Paris than in Shanghai or Beijing. Perhaps it only seems that way since the culture and language seem closer and one is more aware of the subtle differences, but still.