skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Legally, Youtube is not a publisher. If it was it would lose the Section 230 protections, that is the whole point of that law, it is separate who is a publisher (like a news company) and who is just a "dumb wire" (a ISP for example, was the original goal).

Section 230 was created after people sued ISPs using laws intended to allow lawsuits against newspapers.

Section 230 is overall, a good law, but the bigtech abuse of it is greatly risking it to be killed for good, they are supposed to be either a platform, or a publisher, not Frankenstein's Monster that has parts of both, having the protections of a platform while having the powers of a publisher.
"Anyone can publish anything targeting anyone" happened in the past when the printing press was developed and paper got cheap enough that people could just print up pamphlets or newspapers and give them away on the streets. Around the 1880's. Yellow journalism. All sorts of different points of view getting spread. Communism, anarchism, etc. Then going father back at the very beginning of the printing revolution we had protestantism and religious wars that lasted a century (Hundred Years War, etc.) The internet is this but with even lower hurdles to publication and extremely wide and inexpensive distribution.
I think the actual issue is that the claims of fraud are not being evaluated. I've watched tens of hours of testimonies thus far, seen the evidence, reviewed the data myself, and there's definitely something to all this.

The issue, is that the concerns are not being evaluated, both sides are not being interviewed, etc. We really need a trial. Unfortunately, that has not happened yet, in almost any of these "hearings". The lawsuits are dismissed due to "standing" or procedural issues, not on the merits.
I'd prefer that you continue to use nuanced English that is logically sound, because I (and I imagine others) can learn from you.

The fact that you took the time to clarify my confusion is the ideal consequence I'd say.
YouTube gets to make the call. That's the difference between it and the CCP.

If they are losing money to wasting bandwidth on unadvertisable content, why shouldn't they be able to decide to drop it?

Ironically, I'd say your alternative is closer to the CCP. The private entity gets to decide.
IDK... In theory, choices are good and you can just choose the better one. In practice, the financial dynamics of a business tend to create head or tail wind forces that become a part of the company's character.

All else equal (including the decision maker), a positive float business will tend to be more growth oriented than a negative float business. In theory, not so much. Float is just a type of capital (working capital). In practice, it's different.

Other people's money businesses will tend to take more risk. Publicly listed companies tend to be risk averse and quarterly report focused. These aren't carved in stone. Some publicly listed companies (eg amazon, tesla) have sailed against this wind. But, the wind is still there.

For a personal example, take the difference between having a trainer vs exercising yourself. It's theoretically possible to do the same training and have the same results, or do better. The tendency though, is meaningful, and when you pay a trainer there's a tendency to be disciplined.

Returning to the "friend's argument," it is observably true that structural constraints affect business owners.
Nice false equivalence. Judges have ruled that Trump's side has failed to show any evidence of fraud in Court, losing 50/51 court cases, with the "win" having nothing to do with fraud[1]. On the other hand, there are literally thousand of pages from the Senate Committee on Intelligence showing evidence of Russian Interference in 2016. [2] [3], along with the Mueller Report [4]. Russian Interference in 2016 is not comparable to Trump's false claims of fraud in 2020.

[1] https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-losing-election-laws...

[2] https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu...

[3] https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu...

[4] https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
For development, for example. Or for some kinds of shared hosting.
>For people who doubt your characterization of where the "center" is, consider this: 2/3 of Americans oppose the Supreme Court decision banning school prayer. Is your idea of a "centrist" person someone who believes school prayer would be a good idea if the law were different?

I provided the website from which I got those details. I don't know how they come to these conclusions but I would tend to find that they are correct.
There's no refutation because there's no argument to refute. It's always some form of "There are bad people doing bad things and we need to stop them."

Notice how every thread here is about acting against alleged disinformation agents? It's not about any argument at all. It's a generic outgroup argument.

Should we expect people to just never question elections? It's completely bizarre.
Finally a use for write only memory.
Doesn't seem like it is Elon's problem if California decided to give its taxpayer money away.
> Sure, but are they publishers, or hosters?

If a platform chooses a video to play next, based on "what we know you like, what we think you'll like" then it cannot be a mere hoster. Choosing means making a choice.

Youtube has been called a "radicalisation engine" with some evidence for that (search terms: "youtube radicalization", "Algorithmic Extremism"). This might just be a terrible consequence of "maximising engagement" rather than pushing a fixed political agenda. But evidently, they want to do better.
I don't care where Elon goes, I care where the money goes.

We need more capital countrols or more state and local currencies. Pick your poison, libertarians.
Thanks! - I'm not sure why I'm being downvoted for asking a question that is not politically motivated ...I was just generally curious.
> We also disallow content alleging widespread fraud or errors changed the outcome of a historical U.S. Presidential election.

I'd be honestly curious if this includes the 1876 presidential election, in which 101% of eligible voters in South Carolina had their ballot counted, and the dispute over the proper way to count disputed electoral college votes was vigorous and deadlocked enough that the Democratic party got the end of Reconstruction as a concession in the Compromise of 1877 as compensation for allowing a Republican president.
While that strikes me as an odd article to have shared, for some perspective, it was published in 2009--less than a year after Californians voted "yes" on proposition 8 to ban same-sex marriage.

It's not as though California was always unicorns and rainbows, either.
Forcible, violent segregation by race and declining to publish videos by content and truthfulness are far too dissimilar for me to reason about their relationship in the eyes of history.
Learn how to handle your mental illnesses and your job performance will probably improve.

Once you have a handle on that, move jobs?
If you don't believe it's true, then explain to me how Measles, something that was more or less a solved problem, suddenly had a huge resurgence, leading to 50% increase in the number of deaths from 2016 to 2019?

While flat earthers are mostly harmless, other misinformation have real tangible cost. People are literally dying due to the anti-vaxx and anti-mask misinformation. Not blocking these videos is equivalent to having blood on your hands.
People love San Francisco - the culture, the energy, the people, the beauty, the opportunity, the freedom, the openness - that's why the cost of living is so high there. The more who leave, the more affordable it is for entrepreneurs and other dreamers who want to do something wonderful. I want to live someplace filled with those people; I want to meet them at the cafe and in my workplace.

Cities have been the great engines of modern culture and economies for awhile now. Nothing has changed. Coronavirus is a brief interruption. Remove work doesn't change it - Covid didn't teach SV about remote work (many SV companies tried large-scale remote work several years ago, then brought many back to the office). There's a reason businesses try to create great office environments - dynamic, exciting, fun, social - it's highly creative and productive. Now you think people will be just as creative and productive sitting by themselves at their desk at home?

Taxes are a major part of that - taxes are how we invest in our communities. To treat them only as an expense is ignorant, sometimes willfully so. California and the Bay Area have been taxing and investing for generations, and look what it turned out. The infrastructure of the Bay Area, U CA Berkley, and Stanford (which at least receives research money and massive tax benefits in tax breaks, I assume) are just three examples. The Golden Gate Bridge is another. Next time you are in a city, look around at all the things that the people got together, democratically, and built, funded, and operate. I believe in democracy, a fundamentally American belief.

In the end, it's a reactionary political statement. The reactionaries have been targeting cities for many years because they are powerbases for Democrats, progressives, are populated by many non-white people, and they are cultural threats (merely by the fact of their existence and success: their diversity and integration, their cultural leadership, and in business and economics: what great, innovative industry comes from reactionary parts of the country?). You'll note who made the big statements about leaving - Thiel and Musk, possibly the leading reactionaries in SV.

Reactionary politics is fundamentally corrupt - a lie about the world, in every aspect, to protect and accumulate their own power and assets. They're right - they don't fit well in SV. Reactionary is anti-progress, anti-optimism, it's anti-. SV is doing well if the reactionaries don't stay and stagnate, but leave and create more space and opportunity for the newcomers, the next generation. I believe in those newcomers much more than in Thiel and Musk.
Until their actions affect you. Like shooting up a pizza place, or voting in a region that also contains you.
Works great for those who define what "fascist stuff" is. And then I have to ask, why do you care if it doesn't work well for the fascists?
Succeeded as an exit strategy for the founders, yes, but according to the filing, I do not see them expecting to be profitable.
Hypothetically, you can think that you need institutions to properly frame and prioritize issues in public discourse, and only then is democracy ideal. And at some scale it's true: if a bunch of us were suddenly dropped into a locked room and told to discuss and then vote for the best mayor of Mumbai with no resources, we'd fail.

Democracy isn't looking too healthy nowadays though, I agree.
Deep Archive is my fav backup solution to just store a lot of data cheaply as there isn't really anything better, just the AWS egress charge is really the only thing they are keeping at a high price and for sure is for lock-in. .09c/GB is still too high to restore TB's of data if you need a full NAS rebuild and need to re-download everything.
> the Linux world is otherwise converging on Debian-derived distros

NixOS seems to be taking off, Alpine is most used in containers but is great on bare metal, Arch Linux remains a pillar of the wider community, Void is still going strong. Debian is excellent, but it's not the world.
I know. I don't see how it refutes what I said. I'm not anti-vaccine, I was just replying to the parent comment suggesting that because these mRNA vaccines don't use adjuvants they wouldn't have side effects.

All medicines represent calculated risks -- risks that are often worth taking, but still risks.
What evidence have they put forth that makes you think they have a real case for meaningful amounts of fraud? Because from where I’m sitting, it’s really obvious they’re grasping at any straw they can find.
Credibility matters, because people really do want to base their opinions on facts. CNN existed for two decades before Fox News got popular. That wasn't the case because everyone agreed all the time back then. It was because the media respected its role in society and at least tried to be objective.
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/ima...

The AG of Texas has alleged wrongdoing officially in the form of a suit. I wonder what YouTubes policy would be of someone reading this document on video?
Is there any evidence that removal of content one believes to be false actually achieves the remover's goals of changing the opinions of the potential viewers?

I would personally be quite upset if I found platforms deleting content that I wanted to read and learn about, I don't think anyone wants someone else to choose what they can and can't learn about, regardless of its veracity.

Again, I'm sure Google starts with good intentions here, but I'm not sure they have thought this all the way through. We'll see in the coming years.
Of course they have the capacity to check facts, the means to do so are found on the same network where the fact-to-be-checked was found in the first place. Some people will check those facts, many others won't. If what is written is patently false this will come out soon enough.

You call to "stop requiring individuals to verify truth" can be phrased in another, more honest way: support specific organisations to decide where the truth lies. For simple facts - the current temperature, the price of petrol at the pump, the energy content of a portion of a given food - this works. For disputed facts - nearly anything related to SARS2, nearly anything related to climate, nearly anything related to nuclear power, nearly anything related to migration, the veracity and validity of identity politics, the absence or presence of "systemic" racism - this patently fails since the gatekeeper gets to impose its own views on the public. When that gatekeeper happens to be the 500lbs gorilla in the field that means the public has to do exactly what you decry to be ridiculous: they have to go check whether the presented facts are true or just the result of the gatekeeper projecting its opinions, a task made harder by that gatekeeper - the 500lbs gorilla - blocking opposing views from its platform.

On your measuring tape comparison I can state that measuring tapes sold in e.g. the Netherlands clearly state that they are not to be used for trading purposes ("niet voor handelsdoeleinden") since they are not officially calibrated. Just like scales, pumps and other measuring equipment measuring tapes/sticks/etc. used for trading purposes need to be calibrated, get stamped that they are, complete with a calibration expiry date. So, yes, if it really matters you do ask for a calibrated measuring device.
What data are you basing that on - Austin is not cheap, and it's probably getting a lot more expensive now that everyone is moving there.
Yes, including Iran, so what's your point? A bipartisan commission found overwhelming evidence of a widespread, organized, and coordinated effort from several foreign agencies to spread misinformation during both the 2016 election and the 2020 election. What term do you want to use besides "meddling" then?
Yes, you and poster you're replying to mention "quality of life". What does that mean?

A cynic would see this as a dog-whistle for "too many Asians/Hispanics/foreigners". (And I have actually heard a white person here in California say that about the schools.)

I suspect though you mean something else.
> However, exercise, is always under your control

For me, this is a big part of it. I can schedule a daily ride. While I can schedule not eating from 8am until 8pm, I'll usually wind up in the kitchen at some point when I'm thinking about something else.
First, Google is already heavily curating information on their platform. Don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise. Secondly, Youtube is not a public good. It is a product owned by a company who answers to their shareholders. Google is free (and should remain free) to censor whatever they want on the platform that they own, and users/content creators are free to leave for other platforms. Finally, before folks say that Youtube is a monopoly in video content on the internet, no they aren't. Are they the biggest? Sure. But by no means are they the only platform.
They also created a "chicago tax" to make customers believe that it was a tax from the city when it is something entirely created by them ($1.5 per order). Just because they were asked to stop overcharging orders (sometimes 15% overcharge). Yet another dishonest and poorly functioning company. Experience has been worse with time, that and the fake restaurant pages...
Yes it follows. \

"Wouldn't it seem more likely that California latinos statistically disregard health officials advice" - No. For example: a lot of communities have intergenerational families living in close proximity due to lack of affordable housing, jobs, redlining, etc. Having many people living closer together explains being "most impacted" as well as (obviously better than but hey I'm being magnanimous) your thesis that people are choosing to "disregard advice". Just... no.
1. Thoughtful praise is always good.

2. Leading with thoughtful praise is probably necessary when making a negative comment if you don't already have a trusting relationship. If it is reasonable for the other person to think you are just armchair-quarterbacking and don't actually understand their problem, you need to demonstrate otherwise first, and voicing appreciation for things that they have done is one way to do so.

3. If a manager hasn't already established this relationship with their direct reports, then there are probably other problems (unless it's someone new on the team)

4. Having to do this every time will eventually lead to idle flattery or non-sequitur comments just because things don't always happen in a nice 2:1 ratio of good to bad.
Being unenforceable doesn't stop a state from passing it (see AB5 recently with most industries getting exceptions). And once it passes, it posses serious business risk to operate in that state.
> Newspapers typically did not enjoy monopoly positions in the markets they served

On average, newspapers definitely did. Most major cities have at most two primary newspapers. The difference between them and YouTube was geographic reach.

... even still, YT's size doesn't obligate them to provide hosting for high-bandwidth data. It definitely doesn't obligate them to put any specific videos in people's field-of-view. People with alternative viewpoints can buy cloud storage if they desperately need a place to host videos.

The "Is YouTube an editor" question is a good one, but I have a hard time reconciling the notion that they're taking on new editorial behavior with the fact that they've always had both community standards and full control of their curation algorithm. Haven't they always been an editor in that sense, and the new concern is some people don't like how they're using that power?
I think we'll see if anyone is willing to fight the case that removing disinformation campaigns is enough to trip Section 230 immunity.

I can't imagine a judge hearing "we removed a malicious and harmful disinformation campaigns using our platform that were trying to undermine election integrity and trust in government and scientific bodies during a global pandemic" and saying "Yep, obviously that's editorial slant."
Maybe prior to the 2000s that might be true, but there are plenty of major metro areas that are served by a single print newspaper.
> It would be a truly herculean task to bring another framework up to the same level of support and integration of Angular inside Google.

I left on 2018, and I remember there were a lot of orgs and teams trying to migrate to a new framework. In my org we were discouraged to start new projects in Angular.
Why does the public get to decide what a private company hosts?
European governments getting involved in trying to get tech. to move forward, film at 11.

We've all seen it and already know the end of the movie.

Good luck to them, but I wouldn't build any kind of business plan based on the predicted outcome.
Fusion physicist here. What's to prevent you from evaluating it yourself? I would start with Todd Rider's PhD thesis https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/11412

See if you can convince yourself that the arguments he makes about non-equilibrium systems don't apply to your concept, and then write a white paper explaining your argument.
"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

The GP comment stepped a foot over that line but this is crashing right through it. Please don't. We're trying for curious conversation here, not repetitive bashing.
Why are LEOs so drawn to authoritarianism?

Do they not understand their role as a vanguard against tyranny?
yes, as we have seen over the course of history, people are completely impervious to misinformation and propaganda.
Elon treats humans like cogs in his money machine.
It is funny how short people memory is when YT was removing videos of people saying you should wear a mask and the YT Censorship gods said "no that is misinformation you can not say that"
Yes, that quote says that the Mueller investigation failed.

However, the article is _about the Senate Committee_. This is a different thing than the Mueller investigation, and it succeeded where Mueller failed.

FTA:

> Among the probe's newest revelations is that Konstantin V. Kilimnik, an associate of Manafort's, was a "Russian intelligence officer." Manafort's contacts also posed a “grave counterintelligence threat,” according to the report.

> "Manafort worked with Kilimnik starting in 2016 on narratives that sought to undermine evidence that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election," the report added.

> "At nearly 1,000 pages, Volume 5 stands as the most comprehensive examination of ties between Russia and the 2016 Trump campaign to date — a breathtaking level of contacts between Trump officials and Russian government operatives that is a very real counterintelligence threat to our elections," Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), the panel's vice chairman, added in a statement.
This is slippery slope fallacy. I don't think YouTube removing genuially harmful and false content is really comparable to CCP's suppression of opposing views.
Sounds like a terrible system.
This will work wonderfully as long as Youtube, the near-monopolistic arm of a gigantic corporation that makes its money from analyzing what you see and read in order to influence your behaviour, never bans anything that's actually true in reality.

I'm sure we can trust our censors to never do something like that! They have our best interests at heart, right? Nothing like this could ever go wrong, there's no examples from history or fiction about anything like that. Nope, it's always Wonderful Good People that only ban things that Bad Evil People would like, and reality is totally black-and-white, and only Bad Evil People would think otherwise.
I would genuinely like to know why you are so confident about what claims are and aren’t baseless.

Do you have inside knowledge that the public doesn’t posses? Because I’ve been paying attention and I’m genuinely unsure what is happening ... default skeptical about all claims in every direction.

Edit:
A lot of the responses here seem to be unaware of Texas’ lawsuit and the ramifications. I expect the conspiracy claims to be separated out from the genuine concerns if the Supreme Court chooses to hear that suit.
> And the product as a whole is chasing feature parity, not speed of UI.

I find it hard to believe GCP is not chasing the UX experience since they have actively focused on building arguably non-priority features like a fully functional terminal within the cloud UI.
Troll cave getting lonely, came out for some company?
You seem like a thoughtful person. What books do you recommend on technology/technique as they apply to culture?