skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> Either your goal is to model reality and real life, or your goal is to model your idealization of what you feel real life should be.

> If you pick option #2 then your model does not reflect real life.

These deep learning models built by corporations are not scientific models, they are engineering solutions, built to solve problems. Reflecting the real world is only useful if it furthers what the company wants to solve. If they for example remove swear words from their training set, that will make them a less accurate model of the world, but make them more useful for building solutions. But it is probably a trade of they would be happy with. We've also seen example of risk scoring application for felons that seem to end up doing racial profiling, because that is what the data seem to indicate makes sense. But that's deeply problematic and runs counter to laws in some places and seem ethically problematic (https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/24/21301465/ai-machine-learn...).

> Bias is by definition the way the model returns results that don't match the real world and real life, in frequency and in proportion.

Getting a good data set without bias is hard, even if you crawl the whole internet like Google does. Not everything is on the internet and there are systematic drivers that make some part of the human condition over represented (English, science, the views of the affluent and educated), and some under presented (small languages, the discourse of people behind the Chinese great firewall, the poor). So just getting a ginormous data set does not fix bias.

> If your goal is to use your model to manipulate and control society based on your own personal criteria, by manipulating it to return results that distort the real world and real life, then call it something else, because bias is not it.

Positive bias is absolutely something that we use, and while it might seem sinister it does not have to be. The example I'm most familiar with a facial recognition technology. Most groups building that ends up with a model that is better at some groups than others. Asian research groups often end up with models that does well with asians and worse with whites, while European groups usually end up with the reverse. In some sense these results do reflect the reality of these groups, most people in Europe is white and most people Asian is asians, so that you training sets ends up like that is not surprising. But no one is happy with these kind of results, and everyone wants to fix that.

To bring it back to speech and text models, let's say you are building a customer service solutions incorporating a deep learning model, the reality might be that you current customer service representatives treat blacks (or people who use "black" dialects), worse than people who sound white. An accurate model built on this data set will then also do that. But is that acceptable? I hope most companies would want to fix that, and be fine with adding some positive bias in their solution.
> Can you imagine being Timnit and stopping by this thread, where the top comment, in colorful language, reduces you to a social activist fraud?

If it is accurate what does it matter?
You need very good location with unobstructed view over western horizont. Some preparation and a bit of luck with weather. It is not a rocket science.

But get telescope in any case. Even cheap stuff from Lidl will show some details on saturn rings and cloud belts on jupiter. And there is also Moon and stars..
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It's clear all off the facts are not available, and likely never will be, experiences are subjective.

It's also clear that before learning of this event, we had 0% knowledge of the situation.

Between 0 and where we are now with both sides expressing their point of view to some degree, people on HN began making up their mind in the absence of complete information. There is no requirement or urgency that we come to some inconsequential conclusion of our own.

My bias is that it seems difficult to obtain the position the researcher held at Google. How can I be willing to believe the engineer has the ability to navigate the subject matter and its application without being able to navigate this employment scenario. It feels as though I am required to accept the engineers brilliance while calling them dumb at the same time. That feels like a larger handwave than considering the known actions of Google and questioning the few assertions they are willing, but not required truthfully or untruthfully to provide.
> There are quite a few risk increases associated with general shutdown. [...] Another large impact is mental illness

Although there clearly is a harmful impact on mental health caused by "general shutdown", it's not clear that it's a net negative. Compared to the potential alternative (higher mortality, overwhelmed health systems, and anxiety about insufficient measures being taken) it may be a net positive.
This seems really cool!

I am wondering if it can host private repository as well, or is it just meant to host public repositories?
Can you link to your conclusions?

Because thats not how I have seen it. She threatened to leave. If any of my team had an issue, and their response 'Do X, Y, X or ill leave', even if they are in the right, I would not align with them purely out of the fact that that is not the right behavior. You can still leave any company with out threats.

Also we have not seen the email to the brain group. I wonder how that compared to her exchange with Lecun and her threatening nature.

Lecun was not harmed? How did she contribute to a healthy debate there? Please also link me. Because all I saw were aggressive tones towards someone she disagreed with (even if she was in the right). Again, he behavior (not if she was right or not) is the problem here. You can be right, but still be an asshole.

Also, how do you know some people in her team didnt have problems with her? Do you have here perf reports? I believe her direct manager is not the only person that can fire her. She can be ok good terms with her direct manager and still behave unacceptably towards higher ups
> This article makes far reaching societal claims with essentially no evidence. The evidence presented is in the form of "feelings" of various writers concerned of their own decline in literaryfocus.

From quite far down in the article, under "Concrete Thinking":

> As it is, we now have greater levels of at least superficial participation in political discourse, if not in politics itself, thanks in part to social-media technologies. Vast numbers of people contribute scantily supported opinions about things they don't really understand, validating the old saw that a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
That's not a technical problem. No tool can solve this for you. If people keep stepping on each others toes, you need some process in place to ensure some fairness, or better, they talk to each other and find a solution.
I don't mean physiognomy, though such things periodically arise and are roundly and rightly ridiculed.

I mean "Our computer says we have footage of you robbing a supermarket" (higher error rates)

Another way for issues to arise (your easily weaponised point, above) is if you need a separate system for recognising people from certain groups. If it's all the same system, it's harder to argue that you are acting in good faith when you only follow up on matches on marginalised groups.
Why is you want revision control of both the text and the syntax markup? This seems incredibly brittle.
I haven't got a reference, and would be interested in one too.

Sure, if you use any kind of 32bit mode then you'd use less energy in theory. But if we leave the responsibility to the software developer, then we all know what happens :)
How is it being abused and how would one fix it?
That, or Google is censoring the paper because of the conclusion it comes to, which doesn't align with their business interests.
welp, looks like there was a raging wildfire after all
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Thank you. That's helpful to know and clearly illustrates the difference in practice across different countries (they wouldn't be able to do that in the UK unless it was a firing).
Yes, this was a rather good way to deal with it. Even if the content wasn't rich text, it still may have things like current position, folded sections and so on. It totally pays to keep this stuff separate from the main content as the latter stays readable by any other program that supports text.

In general the whole business of file type plus creator type felt much better than the single file type of now. E.g. in desktop publishing Illustrator EPS were very different from Photoshop EPS and it was very convenient to be able to tell them apart.
I think if she is to be judged on whether she was being toxic to Lecun or not, Lecun's opinion is relevant. Why do you feel it's not? And if his opinion isn't relevant, why should we care about yours?

I also find your question about why people attacked her, as if people in the internet always have good reasons to attack others, is an incredibly silly attempt to appeal to the Bandwagon fallacy.
“I wrote a book on how PM is hard. It starts by hiring the right people. Of course, I wrote a book detailing how all the people involved at scale keep screwing it up. Buy my book.”

This a circular advertisement for a book.

I am guessing it’s more to with how most organize socially for human emotional reasons first and tacitly don’t give a shit about ephemeral nonsense except to play “Society: The Board Game”.
Strongly disagree. Be consistent, avoid ambiguity, reduce risk of uncertainty. The convention has the feature of combining flags, but there's more. Making -flag and --flag equivalent means combining flags is not possible without potential collisions, and the distinction would become less obvious overall. Usage in practice would be split between -flag and --flag. Enable such inconsistency for what benefits?
> The levels of economic inequality in America is something I'd only seen in third world countries before

I've concluded that the best way to understand America is as the top first world country and a Latin American third world country still struggling with the effects of colonization - in the same physical location. You can see bits of both next to each other, and the ugly coexistence of pretending not to see the problems.

Trump surprised a lot of people by suddenly manifesting the politics of the Latin American country - he's a lot more like Peron than GWB. He's a sort of "business generalissimo": rather than going around in a uniform with a bunch of unearned medals, he talks about his business "successes" (inherited or bankrupt) endlessly.
"... no javascript."

This is why I hang around on HN. Only place I know where I can find other people who agree that today's use of Javascript, 9 times out of 10, amounts to a nusiance.

The show/hide design pattern is annoying, IMO. Should be an accessibility violation; cannot tab through it.

I guess thats why I use a text-only browser. Avoids all the Javscript nonsense, not to mention the next CSS trick du jour.
You can also render man pages to pretty typeset postscript and pdf, for example: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/444767/export-a-man...
What’s the point, from your point of view, of the homeless newspapers?

To me it’s always seemed like mostly a way to regulate begging, and also to let both parties pretend it isn’t begging. And in the best case maybe it’s therapeutic for people to write for them.

But it doesn’t seem like anyone reads these, and I wonder, are the other effects worth the cost / effort?
No, I meant that the same text may have two or three kinds of associated markup runs: syntax, revision control, and highlighting so that we can nicely publish a snippet.
This is a first announced beta release. It doesn't have a few planned features. I'm sure windows build will happen at some point too.
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Shameless plugs are when you talk about your product specifically, while this just mentioned some product of this name.
I mean I realized that both examples that came to my mind were the ones that I had physical proximity.
If you’re doing software product work I’m totally with you on small impactful iterations. When you’re delivering a hardware product this is a lot more difficult to pull off.

There are definitely ways to take an agile approach to hardware development, even if you’re working with an OEM, but the outcomes look a lot more like waterfall than your typical Agile with a big A people are comfortable with. The outcome of your iterations are long specification documents (which you’ve already got feedback on from your OEM), and a lot more detail than you’d typically go into development for on the software side since it has to integrate with the actual hardware.
Are they not being paid for their notice period? Usually the way this works is "gardening leave" where you're paid and are not supposed to come into work.
If you, a large corproation working in AI, hire a prominent and vocal AI ethicist, any modicum of awareness should tell you that they may actually have a sense of ethics.
Surely that's an advantage. :p
React indeed is boring, you can just speak { Javascript } to do the jobs instead of wiring up templates by learning a new template language like in many other frameworks. JSX is a good abstraction layer. And hooks made the development experience even more smooth.
For a blog? Give someone a few dollars to run wordpress for you and move on to writing content.
It’s intersecting to get an idea of how to quickly do logging from within a code editor.

My linkblog uses a web app, with a bookmarklet frontend, so it’s easy to post when browsing the web from inside the browser.

But for a bug log it makes sense to be adding directly from the editor, though I could imagine that having a way to add entries using a web form might be useful too, making it possible to use touch screen devices.
Right, so revision control is one of the types of markup of the text. But what happens when you want revision control of some of the other types of markup as well as for the text. Or when you want highlighting of different revisions of the text.
The front page alone is 9MB.

Edit: perhaps more importantly, I have to gain a feeling for the product, to work out whether it's worth the perhaps nontrivial time evaluating it.

If I'm presented with this what it indicates to me, rightly or not, is that the product is image-led, the project is perhaps childish if the website is (clips from ghost in the shell?), fails to understand technical load (the website's bloated, what does it say about technical competence of the company) and whatever.

I don't care about corporate blandness, I need solid info, directly in front of me, and not having my eyes pulled away by flicker.

I could be completely getting the value of this project wrong but first impressions suggest I may well be wasting my time with it.
Lecun's last post on twitter was telling people not to attack her, so I'm not sure that characterization holds.
I don't doubt that has been your experience. However there are several things that some would take issue with.

The first being your framing. The discussion is frequently framed in the following manner: Complaints about having their content remove or discussion groups removed is some sort of nazi-larping shitposter or other undesirable looking to cause trouble. I am sure there are quite a few that may fit into that, but you cannot lump all complainants into that category because it just isn't true.

The second is that is fundamentally doesn't address the actual complaint itself. When people are complaining about removal of content on social media, they aren't actually complaining about the rules per se. They are complaining about how they feel the rules are enforced.

Frequently the compliants are (but not limited to):

* That enforcement of the rules is applied arbitrarily and overwhelmingly favours one particular group based on the personal politics of the moderators. Whether that is true or not is another matter, they perceive it to be so and this isn't frequently addressed.

* Context is frequently ignored within a discussion and because it has certain verboten terms it is removed. This is true because this has happened when content in the UK have been removed because people have used local colloquisms that are considered offensive outside of those communities but not within them.

e.g.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/faggots-peas...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7911927/Meat-lover-...

* Enforcement is more lenient if someone is well-known (a presumably makes signifcant income for the site and themselves).
To be accurate, we would also need to know the number of deaths attributed to the policies established to prevent COVID deaths and increase hospital capacity. What were the number of excess deaths from other causes - due to fewer doctor visits, fewer diagnostics, fear of going to the hospital, discharging early, etc?
Indirect TPMS does not need radio transmitters like this on the wheels.

Under-inflated tire can be detected using the ABS sensors and software.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire-pressure_monitoring_syste...
Gas stoves do occur in several European cities.
In my view, the fact that a[b] is equivalent to *(a + b) in C and C++ (in most languages with arrays the latter notation is meaningless) is a sort of a neat coincidence which we shouldn't feel bound to in language design in general.

There are many reasons to depart from this idea in languages far removed pointer arithmetic. For example, Julia has 1-based indexing and I appreciate it for that when doing computational mathematics. It is closer to familiar notation: A[1][1] is the element of matrix A in row 1 and column 1. In a language with zero-based indexing, it is sometimes easier for me to allocate an extra row and column, wasting memory, than to shift indices and risk an inevitable off-by-one somewhere.
Well, the majority of those adopting these types of platform are people so insufferable they've been pushed out everywhere else rather than Ye Olde Neckbeard.
She offered “to work on an end date”. Whether that counts as a resignation or not is likely to be a matter for the NLRB.
ABS speed sensors are sensitive enough to determine tire pressure
Wrong. Years ago, co-worker of mine got fired (or kinda left himself) because of his campaign to introduce javascript frameworks, React in particular, into our application. This in particular escalated into nasty, sweary arguments I've overheard from the meeting room across the hallway.
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Lecun is way more of a professional than her. He handled it the way it should be, do you think lecun is going to come out and say something other than what he did as a respected individual in the industry?

Now go and look at how she has handled it and how she argued with Lecun. Then she also thratens people if she does not get her way. There is ample evidence for her behavior. Does she behave like this all the time? Of course probably not. But the fact that she is openly behaving like this is a clear data point. If you can not see this behavior as not suitable in a work environment, then lets hope we never work together.
Sure, as far as getting up and running cheaply and quickly is concerned, Wordpress is a great choice.

But most Wordpress-based personal sites I've come across are significantly slower than the React-based personal sites i'm aware of. There's a big problem with abusing plugins that haven't been designed with any kind of performance in mind.
My pet solution is to use traditional MVC frameworks like Django, Laravel, use Bootstrap stock themes for style, and sprinkle in specific JS wdigets as needed. This will (IME) make day to day work much less chaotic. The chaos of changing business requirements will be amplified when we reimplement API and React for every page and errant JS breaking even scroll.

If I can dream, non-tech guys can only mention high-level goals based on data than interface. Instead of the mandate "in one day, reimplement snazzy chart from slick app...", tell "show top 5 contributors" and tech guys can provide an economical solution first and iterate on it later.
Interesting quote from your article:

"We didn't even have a lockdown, and the impact of Covid is very minimal compared to other countries ... but still we see this big increase in the number of suicides," said Michiko Ueda, an associate professor at Waseda University in Tokyo, and an expert on suicides.
Maybe it becomes time to change that. Less innovation and more repetition could help here. I bet you, a company that picks a tool stack and develops several similar projects over several years will become better at it.

We could achieve such a setup by giving software a lifetime upfront and reimplement it after.
Your ability to distill and refute the points in the article seem to be a result of deep literacy. Is this itself not the thrust of his main thesis?
> escalated into nasty, sweary arguments

I feel like this person would have been fired at some point, with or without React...
Part of the point of using high dpi screens is that "native" resolution is not a necessity anymore to make it look sharp. I doubt it would be a good idea to run a 4k screen in true 4k if it meant everything became tiny and you needed a magnifying glass.

I think there may be some PC manufacturers doing this completely wrong. I've seen some Dells that are downright ridiculous. A high dpi computer should display large and readable fonts by default without any magnification. Look at any MacBook as an example.
There are plenty of instances of "smart" people doing "dumb" things. The idea that there is only one intelligence without considering people have a lot of individual foibles due to experience, temperament, predisposition, and any number of other factors is really dangerous. It's that type of thinking that led to presidents who were former movie stars or real estate developers.
>The third says that outcomes of measurements are absolute, objective facts for all observers.

The key part of the argument that is (I feel) a bit obscured to make it sound more shocking, is the fact that "observers" here includes "observers who are themselves in a superposition state".

Edit: the closing paragraph of the article is worse:

>In which case, taking the position that an observation is subjective and valid only for a given observer — and that there’s no “view from nowhere” of the type provided by classical physics — may be a necessary and radical first step.

I think that if you remember that they only proved this for "a given observer" that is itself in a superposition, it is a lot less "radical".

PS I wrote another more elaborate comment about this research here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24322949
Lecun is way more an adult and professional than she is. I dont expect anything other response from Lecun. Now, lets turn the tables, have you ever seen a response like that from the person in question here?