skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
This reads to me like Google felt that the paper painted some of their other technologies in a poor light, and wanted to insert language that made them look better. The way he describes their objections, they strike me as the sort of thing that is routinely addressed in the camera-ready version of papers by adding a few lines to the related work section. Not the sort of thing that a conference reviewer or an internal reviewer would reject a paper over.

Previously, we only had one side of this story. But if this is Dean's best spin on Google's side of the story, I'm very tempted to conclude they're in the wrong here. Obviously I don't have all the information, but the information I do have feels consistent with the idea that someone important at Google didn't like Gebru's paper for corporate-political (meaning making Google look good, as opposed to political-political) reasons, they tried to get Gebru to play ball, she refused, and now they have to back-project a justification in the name of "scientific integrity".

Unfortunately, I think this is a story where most people's opinions about who's in the right will be more informed by their previous opinions about Gebru and Dean than the narrower question of what happened with this particular paper. I'm probably even guilty of that to some extent myself, given that I'm a fan of some of Gebru's previous work.
Yea, it's a terrible network. I stopped using is as much after the warrant canary went away, and the new design pushed me away more. For a while I only used city subreddits for local stuff, but even those have gone full on hard-core-left and full-establishment. It's frightening.

The recent banning of thousands of communities should scare everyone.

I say this without a throwaway. I agree with you. Not only do I agree with you, but the fact that so many people don't see these very basic things you're pointed out greatly troubles me about the future of our society.

As far as alternatives, don't go for new monolithic platforms like Parler or Ruqqus. Go distributed. Join some Mastodon/Pleroma servers, follow random people, post you videos to a PeerTube instance. The Internet wasn't originally just 40 big top-tier websites. It was tons of cool independent stuff.

oh and one last thing, look up Glassine Maxwell and the reddit controversy. There's an account with her name that was very active, one of the most active account, up until her arrest. After that, Reddit started deleting TONS and TONS of of that comments. That is the world we live in. Stay safe citizen.
You see it in skateboarding and music as well. Older sibling or parent is the gateway and having someone around with above average talent to train and learn from gives the younger sibling (the apprentice) a big head start on their competition.
svrb's comment is specifically with regard to vaccines: "They do not—and are not meant to—prevent people from contracting and spreading the virus."

What you acqq are posting is “Although the vaccine will give recipients immunity from the virus, scientists do not yet know whether it will stop them being carriers."

Can you see the very fine semantic line that is being walked here?

The public is being told by health officials that the virus gives 'immunity' from the virus. In the same breath, you are supporting the argument that it does nothing to prevent people from contracting and spreading the virus.

You guys are acting like this is all rather obvious, but it's not at all.

If I walked up to someone on the street and said that a vaccine will give them immunity, what do you think they would take that to mean?

Well, the NHS, and the CDC are both saying that the vaccine gives 'immunity' and 'protection.'

You have to stop getting angry at me, and consider that if you're not making a convincing argument to me, how the hell are you going to make a convincing argument to somebody who doesn't have a degree in biochemistry.
I think I just didn't explain it well enough. A common refrain against unlimited/untracked sick time is that employees will abuse it to be lazy, and the only way to fix that is to either closely monitor/track sick days used, or have a pool.

My point was that if performance is an issue there are ways to address that. And if enough work is getting completed, it doesn't matter how many sick days were taken (so no need to track/have a pool).
People have argued both cases. The tl;dr is that she said "I will resign if XYZ" and Google was like "we accept your resignation effective immediately." Whether or not that counts as firing is a matter of opinion.
The headline on the platformer.news article was updated to reflect the fact that she was fired.
"other countries" is exactly the problem.

In an increasingly digital world, if you can't get flexibility workers from the EU, companies will just get them from somewhere else.
I'd say say there's some truth to it, but maybe in an accidental way.

Shell scripts have been part of UNIX since day 1. A lot of early UNIX commands were implemented as scripts, and shell was always intended to be one of the main extension mechanisms for users. Scripting is fundamentally based on the assumption that a script will run various commands, glued together in a user-specified way.

So it's true to say that most early UNIX commands were designed to be useful in a script, which implies that they were designed for use by programs. Maybe not designed _exclusively_ for use by programs, but definitely an important design consideration.
As mentioned, there are 100 other ways a driver can be "impaired", what's more there are ways to make the roads safer thereby increasing my freedom.

Why don't we just put automated red light cameras and speed cameras everywhere? Won't that maximize my freedom to on safe roads?

Would you support such a measure?
>If you want to build a ship, don’t drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea.
--Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

I've noticed this in my software work. When I'm on a project that I'm personally excited by, I feel like I'm firing on all cylinders and am vastly more productive. Driven by COVID fear, I switched jobs over the summer to a company that would allow me to work from home. I'm not at all interested in the project I'm working on. And I feel like it shows...I don't retain things that coworkers have already explained, I don't feel a drive to learn more than necessary about the domain, etc. Maybe some of it is just COVID-brain, but my goodness being interested in your work makes a world of difference.
Not really. People look down on jobs that pay less for the cost in work and health.
>in my experience, the keystrokes saved outweigh any remaining visual latency deficit

In mine, lack of responsiveness makes the 50g a non-starter.

Anything less than effective immediate feedback is unacceptable for interactive use.

That paradigm simply doesn't belong in a hand calculator.
> Timnit responded with an email requiring that a number of conditions be met in order for her to continue working at Google, including revealing the identities of every person who Megan and I had spoken to and consulted as part of the review of the paper and the exact feedback

It always amazes how blatantly authoritarian these "woke" types are. I would not be surprised if the sole reason she wanted the identities of every consultant was to engage in some sort of witch-hunting and bigoteering[0]

[0] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bigoteering
> Vim and Emacs both have terrible user interfaces, and are an inferior experience to even a normal text editor let alone a decent IDE. Users have Stockholm Syndrome.

Well yeah, the UI isn't great. The whole point is to make it your UI, no?

I agree that Python isn't great for beginners, but I don't think BASIC is great either beyond a simple introduction to how we make computers do our bidding.
> Probably deepmind will have difficulty solving the fold of amyloid fibrils
Yesterday the conversation was all over the tone of the email exchange, and my gut was regardless of the research it discussed that Google was probably alright to choose to accept that researcher's resignation.

Now I think I was wrong, Google looks like they're full of crap. If the research doesn't pass muster I'd like to read it and pass my own judgement. I'm guessing the tone was justified.
shhhshh don't tell anyone... let's keep it this way :)
She made demands and gave a resignation date if those demands were not met. Google said that they could not meet those demands and accepted her resignation but because of her conduct (emailing hundreds of Googlers), the resignation date was made immediate.
Down vote me all you want, its 100% the truth.
Don't like it? Contact your representatives in the state legislature and get these laws repealed.
Because it's the right thing to do?

And there is no progress to be made from the House when they are not the road block. Reconsider what you are saying.
“Who doesn’t act according to Christ” should also be added to it.
Probably something good for technology. I haven't seen much to indicate a focus on "humanity"
I say square and curly, but not round - I'm from Devon, but I'm only 19, so I haven't got the accent.
This sums it up almost perfectly. The only thing I would add is that things like these tend to have a pattern. If a single person speaks up and you have multiple others claiming similar treatment, it significantly increases the likelihood of the workplace being hostile to such persons.

Also: Googles bar for hiring is extremely high. For multiple senior engineers/managers to corroborate this description is rather damning.
You're far overreaching your definition of academia.

Archimedes worked for the military.

Feynman built an atomic bomb.
Another astonishing fact is that airplane travel is surprisingly safe.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/evaluating-covid-...
Or the millions who's lives were destroyed by this bullshit. Tell them that it's just about politics.
Presumably the best thing you can do is use it, to boost the metrics, and click through more adverts you see. Make it valuable for them
1) You have to be very careful with embracing limiting beliefs such as this one -> Artisans were different than merchants

There are lots of artists who are very good at sales and marketing

Don't fall for the trap that you have to be a starving artist who dies penniless and then 50 years later people realize how great your work was

In today's day and age if you do superb work it gets recognized pretty quickly

2) Sales & Marketing are skills. The more you practice it the better you will get

3) Helpful to low income people? How do you make money from low income people

Most people who make income from low income people do it by exploiting them

So it is not a good market

4) I don't know what time poor means

5) Paywall works very well if done right

6) donations? Asking for donations from low income people? That doesn't make sense

7) book sales? $1,000 per year

8) I can't understand any of what you are saying as you have not talked about

what your service is

how many people use it

website. If you can't share give some idea

9) how do you know your service is 'best in class'

if it doesn't make money either it isn't best in class or you are a sucker who is giving value to people without charging money

There was an article about this guy who had an 'airline deals' newsletter

With ads for free people
No ads for $5 per month subscribers

think about something like that

10) Marketing people to generate traffic?

No, Marketing and Sales has to generate money/profits

Hire people to sell things toe xisting customers and make money from them

Not to add more 'low income and time poor' people who make you no money
I name them hipsters.
From article: In the US, this would mean vaccinating between 197 million and 230 million citizens. Globally, it’d be between 4.7 billion and 5.5 billion people.

Though that depends on the equitable distribution of the vaccination
OK then tensor flow
If curious see also

2017 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15578592

2016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11771266
No. If you must insist on thinking of them as distinct from native executables, then consider them foreign executable instead—object files written for a different machine architecture and a different loader convention. There's really no middle ground they're occupying.
There's many ways the same support can be given. Why should employees have to support each other in that fashion? There's things like short-term disability that handle absences longer than whatever specific number of normal time off is provided.

According to your logic above, why don't we get 100 sick days per year instead of 10? Some people need that many, fellow employees should support them too, right?

I guess the sick vs vacation day thing becomes a more of a problem in an environment where the rule-followers see a lot rule-breakers taking advantage.
Apple: releases the M1 Silicon

Google: Write that down! Write that down!
Well, expand that category to include every billionaire and also everyone above 100 million, as an arbitrary figure that most people will never make throughout their lives. I imagine that percentage will go up immensely.
I haven't even tried to back it up But I'm assuming they have an export function?
Something something.... Land... something something... Coastal Elites...
Airbnb is a great example: While I love the company's product — I've stayed at Airbnbs dozens of times — the company does generate negative externalities, and the company has done what I'd consider shady things (mostly astroturfing and other aggressive PR moves) to get itself past the profitability finish line. Once we get back to the world, I'll surely use Airbnb again, but I have a nuanced attitude about the the pros and cons of the company's offerings, both as a stayer and a citizen.

What PG doesn't address (which isn't his goal, so no dig intended) is a bigger issue than the immortal souls of founders and billionaires: Bad things happen just as often as a result of good people with good intentions as they do from the diabolical acts of sociopaths. That truth is equally under-appreciated by both American progressives and the well-meaning people who help create big problems even as they create joy for billions.
I actually do agree with that interpretation. My beliefs ultimately imply that there's nothing wrong with being a billionaire, but that's not a conclusion I find palatable so it's not something I'm particularly interested in defending on its own merits.

I'd say it's like writing an argument to decrease penalties for shoplifting and titling it "Don't Punish Thieves". It's not wrong, but it's certainly not a productive way to frame the discussion.
> I'm pretty sure Java came from the work James Gosling did on Oak, which was mostly used for embedded systems.

Yes, when it was conceived it was indeed intended for embedded systems but when it was released it was intended as a tech for building client-side smarts into web pages.

Java was originally conceived as Sun's response to General Magic's intelligent agent technology. Microsoft's response to General Magic was Microsoft Bob, because they saw General Magic's social interface as a threat to Windows.
In Luhmann’s work (creator of the Zettelkasten), Zettelkasten was used in an academic environment. In this post I describe how I translate the academic Zettelkasten to a ‘Product Development’ Zettelkasten.
> You don’t believe that if someone makes billions they should be able to pass it on to their children?

I believe no individual has ever _earned_ a billion USD. If it were up to me, people like Jeff Bezos would have everything to their name seized by the state. It should be used for the benefit of the many -- and not a selected few. He'll be compensated with a trophy, though: "Congratulations, you won capitalism. Continue for New Game+."
Because they had infinite budget, not a few high paid geniuses.
That is amazing. I've just replaced the bookmarks I had after 15 seconds. The UI is better on mobile than all reddit incarnations.
Not sure if you're being serious, but assuming you are...

Nowhere did I state that all leftists are communists. In fact, seizing the means of production is also a socialist idea. One key difference between socialism and communism is that communism abolishes all private property in addition.

In leftist circles in the US, leftism colloquially refers to people who advocate for some form of social democracy, with most leftists supporting at least socialism. Those who support more center-left policies (like Keynesian economics and the welfare state, without advocating for socially democratic programs) are called "liberals," not leftists, despite the fact that they are left-leaning (in the US's sense of left-leaning).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/09/12/stop-calli...

> Moving left doesn’t necessarily make one “more liberal.” At a certain point, the traveler leaves the province of liberalism for one that is more correctly identified as socialism, radicalism or leftism.

https://theconversation.com/the-difference-between-left-and-...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ask_Politics/comments/6xlxpa/whats_...

> Leftist: They believe the free market system is inherently flawed to favor the rich and powerful and believe that the government should either work within the framework of the market system but heavily regulate it and pay for more social services and welfare through higher taxation on the rich and corporations (social democracy) or abandon the free market all together in favor of socialism.

> Liberals are socially liberal and typically believe in democratic capitalism and the welfare state.

> Leftists typically believe in socialism and are against the ideas of capitalism.
PHP does the same. It’s compiled to a bytecode before execution. But I don’t think it’s cached anywhere like Python (but that may have changed in the decade since I’ve used it)
Is your memory of something someone said twenty-some years ago trustworthy? That quote might have come from a journalist, but it isn't journalism.
He did: http://cacs.usc.edu/education/cs653/Dean-MapReduce-CACM08.pd...
I guess, but i think it would be a hard problem to determine when a misspelling is close enough we should auto redirect without telling the user, and when its unclear enough that auto redirecting is too much and we should only have a little "did you mean x" prompt like we currently do.
Discussed at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16168410
In good idle games they shift the goal once you hit more boring levels.

Stealing partly from someone else I can't find a reference for:

Ownership capped at 1 billion, you get a sticker saying "I won capitalism" and all further growth and income goes to the government for social programs. You get a new ticker that estimates lives saved and people homes/fed/educated - that becomes your new boasting figure.

Not entirely serious but extreme wealth should be considered a bug. Perhaps it's true that the best system overall always results in this but it's worth considering that it might not be.
Is this going to be a custom core design, or a repackaging of a Cortex-A77?
Most of the people I know here (in Iran, no AirBnB clone yet) rent personal houses when they travel. Some people (including myself) have enough money (and an aversion to risk) that we prefer hotels, but the vast majority don’t need what extra hotels offer and don’t want to pay for them. The extra expenses (here at least) are not explained by taxes (similar hotel offerings are around 5x the price).
There does need to be a budget for the number of rules that exist. Since there's no "paper", a wiki can keep growing indefinitely and that includes the rules governing the wiki itself. If there was, let's say, a 30 page rulebook, it would prevent arcana from developing. The problem with this is that it places more of an onus on individual admins to figure out the interpretation of the compressed ruleset. It's a bit like a constitution requiring judges to interpret it.

I work on Wikipedia articles in niche worldwide arts and history topics. I just see few people caring enough to debate me about Uyghur modernist poetry.

I had a slight bit of trouble recently when I wrote a script to generate stub articles for Indonesian films. I got some flak for creating articles without enough extra detail (just the name, year, cast, genre, and awards), but only one was temporarily pulled down into the sandbox area.

I recently got someone who I wrote an article on to release their photo to the public domain. I had to have them email Wikimedia Commons a legalese template to do that. But the person on the other side said, "how can you release a photo of yourself"? (It wasn't a selfie.) So he had to get his daughter who took the photo to send them the legalese. It's a bit much, but I see how they have to be careful with legal things. It wasn't the smoothest experience. It's much easier to release the copyright on your own works.
I'm working on something that may interest you. It's still a work-in-progress, but we have communities (subreddits), publications/articles (medium), galleries, and normal user feeds. Emphasis on anonymity, custom domains, matrix integration, eventual federation.

https://gurlic.com

https://gurlic.com/programming

https://gurlic.com/classics (https://classics.wtf)

https://gurlic.com/art (https://gurlic.art)
> Being dogmatic about tests and covering every line will only make it more difficult to get rid of it.

I find the opposite to be the case. I'm very comfortable tossing away a bunch of code with great test coverage. You can always cherry-pick it back later and know that it works.

(I'm not 100% purist, but certainly I'd say 80-90+% and not 66%).

The important thing is you should be so fast at writing testable code that getting to 80% is a like going for a light jog. If it feels like a slog, you've identified weaknesses in your craftmanship that you should practice.
It's frankly unprofessional for Jeff Dean to post only his email in this document without providing more context. The news media has in cases provided balanced coverage that included the email from Timnit that prompted Google's action: https://www.platformer.news/p/the-withering-email-that-got-a...

This post from Jeff Dean simply underscores that he has failed to balance the need for diplomacy with the research thesis of his own research group. I'm not saying he's being malicious, but incredibly tone deaf. While I appreciate he gets "attacked" at nearly every talk (at one retinopathy talk I saw him grilled for 10 minutes on race), he's going to continue to get this sort of attention until he can stop being the Googler who wants to tell you why their view is right.
Yes. 1-2-3 generations, ok. 50? Definitely immoral. They'd be as remote to you as a random fisherman in Kamchatka. They should also make their own contributions to society.
I can imagine she felt helpless when her work was being blocked. Imagine you were going to start a project and was told someone in your org was against it and that you couldn't do it as a result.
You were asked for a source though. You've just expanded on your point but without a source.

As it happens I am an old.reddit.com dinosaur that finds your argument plausible, but I'm interested to see the data as well.
r > g, where r is the rate of return and g is the overall economic growth of the economy.

It means the rich capture a growing portion of productivity, and in modern days it is on the strength of the financialization of productivity, not necessarily people actually doing work.

How is this an optimal system? How is it even a functioning system? What we are doing as a species, today, right now, is not working and our ability to live on this planet is increasingly in danger.
You offered up 3 examples of billionaires. Other examples might be:

* Tesla

* Twilio

* Stripe

Would you help
me see how those 3 leveraged unjust laws? As a software developer, I feel Stripe and Twilio have added a lot of value to me, to small businesses, and the world.
I stopped checking it because 95% of it was harrassment for modding.