skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I like that people write about this kind of things, as it shows they care about the direction they are walking towards. The essay is more an exposition of uncertainty and personal preference than actual arguments, but it's a good start to get more people talking about it. So let's do that.

I'd like to focus on one point: when you have millions of people interconnected, even "radical" ideas can find a place and resonate with others, and even become amplified. Gwern's "the melancholy of subculture society" [0] might be a good introduction to the topic. This is not inherently good or bad. We might be afraid of nazis of whatever, but the same dynamics also benefit oppressed groups and minorities for whom anonymity and this opportunity to connect with other people in similar situations is highly beneficial. I recently watched a video where Diana Fleischman presented this argument in favor of anonymity: without it, there might be no escape from certain totalitarian and manipulative regimes. Now, you might pick a side if you want. The truth is that we see examples of both in today's world. You might say that education could help with extremist views, so we shouldn't give up on decentralized, anonymous, uncensorable networks. You might say the same about totalitarian regimes or centralized monopolistic powers.

From a practical perspective, I think a good start is to acknowledge that decentralized and uncensorable networks already have good proofs of concept, and that in the future they will indeed become accessible to everyone. The question is not whether they will become mainstream or not, but what are the challenges we have to prepare ourselves for in case they do become mainstream. And to do that we need a deeper understanding of the dynamics of these small groups, and, in general, of online interaction. And again, this is already happening, even if decentralized networks could make this even more common. So I think the best path forward is to start educating people on the "dark sides" of online interaction: how the lack of eye contact and physical presence allows you to express yourself with less consideration of others (they can't punch you back even if you are rude), how echo chambers work, how extremist views are amplificated online because it's almost the only medium where they can expand through (and how that's not an accurate reflection of the average perspective on a topic), how conversation is highly decontextualized, how addiction, FOMO and infinite scroll impair our attention and might even induce a feeling or sense of detemporalization in our lives, etc. Summarizing, how online conditioning makes us act as different creatures than in real life, and the need to be able to tell those creatures appart, both in others and ourselves. Of course, real life has its own share of conditioning too. What's even the real you. Have fun.

[0] https://www.gwern.net/The-Melancholy-of-Subculture-Society
True. Controlling human thought at scale can be useful though. It stops my 8-y/o from watching what he shouldn't. There's a balancing act between FAANGs, and the wild west where you can go looking for things without being hand-held.

The mistake, I believe, is absolutism. If you're a Replublican everything Democrat is bad. Maybe there's a future in which the best parts of opposing sides meet to create a happy place?

Everything is a balancing act. Some FAANG is good. Some distributed web is good. Where on that scale we live is our choice. Choice is good. And sometimes, very occasionally, the illusion of choice is good.
TL;DR: fix hiring (well he doesn't even say that, just "pick the right people" which sadly most of us have only some control over).
USB to ISA adapters do exist. I'm sure there are compatibility edge-cases but not sure a P4 would be perfectly safe from that either.

http://arstech.com/install/ecom-prodshow/usb2isa.html
If your main repo lives on GitHub, your (primary) issue tracking is tied to GitHub.
People probably thought they had very efficient libraries for decades before search engines.
Knuth writes in the beginning of The Art of Computer Programming that he will deliberately lie to the reader, to further her understanding of the main subject.

> if you believe that the ability to censor public discourse is necessary to maintain a stable and desirable society

I understand this can make sense, when reading capacity of each individual is limited
This doesn't look like "alternative to GitHub" to me; you don't need to download any client to use GitHub and having a nice web interface is one of the most defining feature of GitHub.
The first one, no question about it.
This always occurs to me. How many great ideas are out there, that our future will accept as totally normal, but are now just "crackpot" ideas being pursued by weird people. (and a shout out to all the weird people pursuing crackpot ideas: I have no idea how you handle this much rejection, but I'm glad you can).

And how many never got accepted, despite being right? How many times has Academia failed the scientific process and rejected a correct hypothesis?
Once upon a time, I smashed my kneecap into about 5 pieces. I wish I could say it was playing rugby or football or mining or something but it was disc golf (?!?!?!). Was on hydro for weeks, I think. I don't remember much about it. I do remember that stuff making me feel way better than any human really should.

I also remember the day I sat in the surgeon's office and we had the weekly "what's your pain level?" conversation. And I knew good and well that the pain was basically gone. And he knew I knew it. And he knew I really, really wanted more of those pills. And he asked if it might be time to switch to Tylenol and sort of gave me a certain, probably well-practiced, look. The one where an eyebrow does that thing.

I remember taking stock of the situation, looking longingly into the abyss, and turning back. That doctor fixed my knee, but, more importantly, probably saved my life with a 2-minute conversation.

Thanks doc!
> Furthermore, even if humans are constantly updating an expert system, the biases inherent in the composition of the company-hired set of experts will limit the representation of minority trends in the data.

Exactly this. Framing it in terms of alternate options makes AI the more reasonable choice.

Google AI appears to have drawn unnecessary attention to themselves for relatively benign paper. Most of the arguments in this paper have already been discussed elsewhere and could be refuted in simple terms.
I agree, and actually these are exactly the types of solutions we're exploring with the decentralized discussion platform, Member, https://member.cash
Trying to take an optimistic view on this: what if creators simply haven't mastered new media technologies (video, audio, etc.) well enough yet? It's easy to forget, but the earliest forms of language were probably used in extremely mundane circumstances ("Me hungry, food there, etc.") Writing itself was used primarily for imperial accounting purposes for thousands of years before anyone bothered to use it and create art.

I hope that we're merely "illiterate" because we're in between two technological eras.
Good grief - this terrible clickbaity headline writing: "We read the paper that forced Timnit Gebru out of Google. Here’s what it says"

The paper DID NOT force her out of Google. Her subsequent behaviour - submitting without approval, rant, ultimatum, and resignation - did. And she wasn't "forced out": she resigned of her own volition. She could have chosen to make improvements to the paper based on the feedback she was given, resubmit it for approval, and then get on with her life, but she went the other way.

The headline from the last discussion on Timnit's exit[0] was awful as well: "The withering email that got an ethical AI researcher fired at Google". So bad in fact that it was changed on HN to more accurately reflect what actually happened: "AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google" (much more neutral and factual in tone).

Seriously, what happened to journalistic standards and integrity? Why are the actual events being so forcefully twisted to fit a particular narrative? No wonder the general population struggle to figure out what's true and what's not, and fall victim to all kinds of nonsense, BS theories, and conspiracies.

I wish I had a good idea on how to change this behaviour by journalists and publications.

(Clearly this is a problem that goes far beyond Timnit's story.)

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25292386
Anecdote with N == 1 as usual.

I am 42 and I started experimenting with NMN, NR and resveratrol in January.

My eyesight measurably improved, by about 1,25 dp, within weeks (I am shortsighted since childhood.) I no longer notice any eye strain even after looking into screens for hours. My very, very mild presbyopia disappeared. Also, I believe that I can see colors much more brightly, but this is something that cannot be measured easily, if at all.
We don't rack them all up as covid deaths.

We combine excess mortality with other stats.

One of the reasons excess mortality has attracted so much attention is because there are a bunch of people saying that covid just isn't killing many people and we point to the pile of corpses and ask "what happened to them then?"
It's an Eagle-Pangolin Recombinator.
I knew those already from being flooded for 40+ years with Hollywood films (all of them) and sitcoms, I know Cosby, Malcolm in the Middle, Beverly Hills 90210, Miami Vice, the Fall Guy, Seinfeld, Friends, Lou Grant, Mary Tyler Moore Show, Diff'rent Strokes, Cheers, Golden Girls, MAS*H (the best), Married... with Children, Three’s Company, King of Queens, Family Matters and on and on and on.

Basically I know the US better - or the image it projects - than my own country.

Funnily it was a huge letdown when I visited for the first time decades ago, as it felt just like a sitcom and there was nothing new really.
Stylish F# is a good book to go with all of Scott’s works https://www.apress.com/gp/book/9781484239995
I notice that after a long hike in the mountains, I can see a bit better. The effect stays for several hours.

Probably the eyes need some training too, refocusing onto near and far objects frequently. We live in a computer screen world, this is very unnatural for our eyes.
Centralised "right to disconnect" regulation is what will protect workers from sweatshops?

I'm not saying there should be no labour regulations in EU, just that there is a lot of detailed regulation that is more appropriate to do on a national level where it can take local culture and priorities into account. And the fundamental EU principle of non discrimination based on nationality should ensure that for example a Rumanian worker in France has the same "right to disconnect" as a French worker.

I can't see why Swedes can't decide that they don't mind work emails during the weekend while Germans decide they want to have email free vacations.
The New York Times didn't come up with the idea of the Iraq War. The Iraq War was the official policy of the United States government.
> If you had a model trained on a large corpus of data from the pre civil war southern American states, it would have been deeply racist, and would even view black people as possible property. If you had one that was trained on data from the 1950 it would be less racist but still problematic viewed by people from today. Is there really something special with today, that removes these kind of concerns with a model trained with current data?

I think this argument applies not just to machine learning, but to learning in general. Any kind of knowledge-acquisition process is going to be biased by the environment in which it occurs. That goes not just for digital neural networks, but also those in our human brains, operating on the same racist data the ML models are. If that means we shouldn’t do machine learning, it also means we shouldn’t do human learning either.

Of course, the preceding is absurd. A more reasonable take is that we should adjust the objective function of our learning processes to try to account for the effects of biases. We try to do that subjectively as any decent person operating in a biased society should, but our ML models can do it more accurately. In fact, I’d argue that such techniques are necessary to more carefully analyze and build evidence describing the effects of those biases. They can provide insights that will even improve our ability to correct for biases in the real world.
Not exactly, he just chooses not to participate, which is fine. Many - me included - still think freedom of speech is important, so these systems need to be built, and hopefully, they will. We can also choose to participate.
I think this is actually very insightful. What if we agree with Knuth, and we add "but only sporadically and in a limited way"? That's a much more subtle and interesting line of thought.
> All the previous findings were that

That was first wave data. Second wave data has shown that the risk for younger people is higher than we thought.

I don't think this explains all that increase though.
The whole discussion is about legacy systems. What about sustainability? Of course it's cheap to build ever more powerful systems and to ruin the planet with more energy consumption and more waste. 32 bit systems are good enough for many purposes. By law of physics they could be built using less resources during production and during their lifetime.

Don't tell me it's such a small change that it does not matter. That's the attitude everywhere, and the results can be seen. Those living at the US west coast experienced the fires, not to mentio Australia. Myself I used to ski 3 months 20 years ago, maybe 1 month in a warm winter. Now I hardly get over 3 weeks, less than 1 week in a warm winter.
WinUI / Project Reunion is just a continuation of the UAP (Universal App Platform) libraries. The support for C# works for F# - just like basically any other C# library can be used from F#. I figure the reason they don't mention F# is because it is obvious and/or implied but perhaps at the same time don't want to infer there is some kind of F#/FP-style syntax.

I wouldn't confuse Project Reunion and the arbitrary Windows Store requirement that apps be compiled with .NET Native. A requirement that, frankly, is on borrowed time anyway and I can't envisage it surviving much longer. Once .NET 6 delivers Mono-style AOT support - .NET Native's sole remaining purpose will cease to exist. Not that modern hardware ever needed it. It was intended for Windows Phones.

If the choice facing us was a simple as you describe then, for example, we wouldn't have ended up building a UWP app in F# back in 2018, would we? Not everything is black and white nor zero sum.
Upload? Perhaps a vertically flipped download button. Download is often just a fat, downward pointing arrow. I might add a cloud in there.
>retorting to bullying and name calling...

Damn those Freudian slips.
OP never said he pretends that USA are not a violent country where mass shootings don't happen all the time. OP implied that young adults PLANNING mass shootings on the INTERNET is miniscule.
Actually, it's not fault of git. Workflow of git takes place through email and patches.

But,github wanted to make this process easier for the people,hence they included issues,fork and PR model. It was easily done with intuitive interface without necessity of email for workflow, but if you have asked me, i would have issues,wiki,etc. integrated within repo just like Fossil VCS.

p2p is cool but not solution to this . gitea/gitlab/etc. already provide importing of issues with repos and if not,they must provide that feature.
You say indifference, but indifference with regards to what? In economics, an individual is said to be indifferent between two alternatives if those alternatives result in the same level of utility for him or her, utility being an abstract concept representing well-being. But you don't say why this person is indifferent to the coin showing one face or the other. Because if it's because he or she thinks both options are equally likely, then we again have a problem, since we don't know what "likely" means.
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> "One is that shifts in language play an important role in social change; the MeToo and Black Lives Matter movements, for example, have tried to establish a new anti-sexist and anti-racist vocabulary. An AI model trained on vast swaths of the internet won’t be attuned to the nuances of this vocabulary and won’t produce or interpret language in line with these new cultural norms."

This was just glossed over and maybe slightly off-topic, but what kind of shifts in language did these two movements in particular affect?

Stuff like #MeToo was about raising awareness about sexual abuse, particularly in the entertainment industry, can't really think of how it forced people to change words that they use.

The best example I can think of is people opting to not use "master/slave"... Which is much more debatable and far off from "core tenets" of the BLM movement like police reform and dealing with systemic racism.

I guess what I am trying to say is that when it comes to language, things are a lot less black/white (heh) and we should be careful about people that are setting themselves up as arbiters. Sort of a who guards, the guardians issue I suppose.
I don’t know, but I think this GitHub issue will probably give you the current status and background on this point https://github.com/fsharp/fslang-suggestions/issues/243

Update: the issue is tagged await-csharp-alignment, which is probably the relevant status.
I don't agree with this article. Every tech can be used for the right and the wrong. The fact something is used in a bad way should not prevent us from building the tech so we can reap the benefits of the good uses it can offer.

One example for a decentralized web benefit that I see promising: wouldn't it be just amazing if you had something like Facebook, but all the posts were not owned by Facebook? Just think of the possibilities to use your own UI, have your own recommendation algorithm etc... This can be amazing. I deeply want something like. However it cannot be done as long as the data is owned by Facebook.
Fugu is good! Eating them as a show of bravado is a tourist thing I think (probably inspired by articles like these), here we eat them because we think they’re good. They’re in season now if you happen to be in Japan.

It’s no different from eating oyster. Sure they might kill you, but you don’t expect to be called brave for stuffing yourself at an oyster bar. You eat oysters because you like eating oysters, nothing more, nothing less. The same with fugu.
There's "religions are obsolete" and there's "brown people are terrorists".
The issue isn't whether there are abundant "literate" resources (podcasts, in your example) but whether the average member of a democratic society is literate. More importantly, whether the elites are deeply literate.

I don't know about you, but when I look at the popular media and at political leaders, they seem highly illiterate compared to those from just a century ago. Even the "literate elite" media, e.g. The New Yorker, has dropped in quality from a few decades ago. Just read some old issues to see what I mean.

Regardless, this article is hardly the first or only study of this problem. Allan Bloom wrote The Closing of the American Mind in 1987. Harold Bloom and John Simon wrote a few books on the topic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Closing_of_the_American_Mi...
We just wanted to build a gif-making app for a hackathon.

You could search for and browse movies by clicking on directors, actors and
other staff, download a movie with one click, preview it to select what you
want to clip, and make a gif out of it.

Turns out it was a very convenient interface to discover, download, and view
movies. All we had to do was front-end to TMDb, a torrent search scrapper, and
a layer between the Transmission CLI and the front-end.

We inadvertently built a popcorn-time clone in a day.
I 1000% agree. Not everything needs 64bit. This is forced manufactured obsolescence
>Jeff Bezos' net worth was ~$33,600,000,000 at the beginning of 2017. I would argue things are considerably worse for the average American since then

Based on what metrics?

>If every American had healthcare and access to quality education, housing, and food, it would not matter to me how wealthy Jeff Bezos gets

These aren't mutually exclusive though...

>Snore. If you really want to reduce things to personal jabs, that's cool I guess. I was using myself as a stand-in for an average person - feel free to substitute any name that makes your heart warm.

If you're arguing on HN you're most likely not the average person. Even then, how would you quantify how much political "power" someone should/could have?

>Sever the links between money and political power. Limit private ownership of news organizations. Take away the tools that are being abused.

Sure. You're just going to run into problems trying to define "tools" and "being abused". And I'm saying that as someone that agrees there are problems with abuse of power.

>otherwise I would have linked more specifically

Yes, cause otherwise you'll link to something and when I do "ctrl+F taxes" it wouldn't lead me to something that argues against your point ;)

It doesn't say there how much revenue it generated. Do you have something you trust showing numbers for the revenue targets and how much it made? I find conflicting information.

>Slavery was propagated by the concentrated wealth of the southern aristocracy. They rebelled when they felt that their wealth was threatened. Similarly, in Europe, World War 1 was a war of prestige and conquest fought between a bunch of wealthy (largely related) families who had built huge empires.

You can have both slavery and wars without a "concentration of capital" as the driving factor. I'll say sure, its a factor. So is the "ability to own land" and half a million other things.

>You mocked me a bit and told me I should have the answers, but I didn't see any clear examples.

I linked to the wiki page detailing how a FTT pretty much destroyed swedish financial markets and did the opposite of what it intended to do.

>Talking about a Swedish wealth tax from 1990 is a joke.

...? Literally everything you have mentioned is several times older than something from 1990. Also... it was introduced in 1984, 1990 is when they reversed it because it was so bad.
You need internet for pull and push. I think(hoping) that they meant within a LAN it could work without internet.
The relative risk between potentially getting the disease even though the population is already highly herd immunized (compare e.g. measles) and the risk of the vaccine is still 1:1000. This means despite measles already being such a rare disease it is still a clear benefit to get vaccinated.

With a disease such as Covid it might be 100000x safer to get vaccinated than not.

All national vaccination programs must calculate and assess such relative risk and find so much advantage in favor of vaccination.
Threatening to resign is not resigning. Especially as part of a negotiation, and especially when the threat was to "work on" a last date.

She was fired.
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> Actually, it's not fault of git. Workflow of git takes place through email and patches.

This invokes the "it's not a bug, it's a feature" mechanism. E.g. Fossil has no problem integrating issues, merge requests, and wiki pages inside its repositories.
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Even the real world consequences of fringe online groups are minuscule in comparison to their perceived threat.

That assessment sounds like it's based on body count over total population.

The psychological effect of terrorism is at least as significant.
Humans are remarkably safe at driving
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