skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
"You're moving the goal posts. Why did you just say that philosophy can help us address a long list of questions if you're willing to concede that maybe philosophy isn't for answering questions at all."

Because I was answering people who insisted that philosophy was has to be useful. I'm not moving the goal posts so much as questioning their assumption that philosophy must have a use to be of value.

"OP wants answers"

But this sub-thread is not about the OP's wants. It's a reply to people challenging the value of philosophy.

"Then it's not going to be very useful to OP, is it?"

Again, you're assuming that philosophy has to be useful to be of value. And, again, it can be, for the reasons I stated before, but it can still be valuable even if it isn't.
The greatest struggle facing the tech elite today is how to use the proletariat's data to train an artificial intelligence that doesn't inherit the proletariat's beliefs.
as I understand it, she was on vacation at the time
It’s just another example of the “participation culture” that modern parenting and social media have made commonplace. Who needs to do anything real when you can just upvote or retweet? You get the same sort of participation trophy that you’ve been taught to aim for since childhood.
Given her history and ultimatum, the chances of her doxxing them publicly was high. Given her public response since her resignation, Google's caution in releasing that information appears justified to me.
Without commenting on the politics of this particular case, I think what you describe is built into the definition of "boss".
those reasons are primarily political
A lot of people talk about how LinkedIn is still ok because recruiters just flock to them and it’s easy to get a job off it, but am I the only one who gets low quality recruiter trying to fill low quality jobs? I don’t think I’ve ever been contacted remotely by anything near the FAANG level.

I do like their job board solely because it allows you to filter by both job function and company industry, but OTOH it tries to be too “smart”. Outside that the content is eyeroll inducing at best, at the article notes.
Who uses this? I can only think of college kids.

I imagine anyone going performance related is going to be using either multiple machines and/or multi threading. In those cases you'd spin up a few more competitively priced machines.
Or they could just actually unionize instead of this reactive outrage. It’s unlikely Gebru would have been fired under these circumstances if she had a union contract.
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When would it get not too new?
>consequences?

If he used his real name then you'd threaten him? talk shit about him on twitter? stalk him on fb? use this comment in order to discredit his other things?

You don't like people with different opinions, don't you?
Maybe unlike the hero of the story they refrained from making racist, misandric remarks about their bosses on Twitter?
Actually you've uncovered part of the ruse. The thief / criminal is actually working in cahoots with the unscrupulous keto pill company. He gets a stolen card, charges it for product, ships you the product, and the keto pill company makes money without actually selling to a real customer, and gives a kickback to the credit card thief. Meanwhile you've gotten the product, making it harder to dispute the charge since they can show that you received the purchased product.
Is insubordination to have a different opinion, and then offer paths to agreement between professionals?

Is insubordination to represent your responsibility area, as Ethical AI Researcher?

Is insubordination to send an email in order to establish dialogue around matters of disagreement between professionals?
Not every version. Here’s the story (on quota of all places but since corroborated): https://www.quora.com/Apple-company/How-does-Apple-keep-secr...

I had friends working on tools for Apple (gcc, gdb, etc) who had no idea. They got bug reports from this team that had been washed of apple-specific info and posted publicly on external sites.
You can't hand in your resignation effective at a future date. That's not how it works. If you resign, you resign. It's then up to the employer whether or not to hold you to whatever notice period is set out in your contract. Many places will not do so and release you effective immediately.

Of course, if you leave on good terms, your superiors might look at you kindly and work with you to meet not just their needs, but also your needs. That's why it pays to be humble and generous in your interactions with other people.
Google is an company that demands extraordinarily high ideological conformance from its workers. Unfortunately for Google it new longer controls the exact specification of what is and is not acceptable thought at Google, and much like the French revolution it’s being pushed into directions that is management may or may not agree with.

What should be a fairly reasonable question – is this person a good employee or not is immediately contaminated by questions they have nothing to do with job performance.
If their goal is to promote savory behavior, isn't it beneficial to have an internal voice trying to guide the company's direction?

There is no shortage of engineers who would happily take a job at Google. If the folks raising concerns decided to all leave, isn't the net result that Google would operate much as it does today (maybe a little bit slower to get products to market) but without any internal check on its behavior?

And since the issue under dispute here is AI ethics, shouldn't we the non-Googlers want to make sure people willing to voice concern about unethical behavior remain at Google?
Concurrencpp – Modern Concurrency for C++
I respect that she sacrificed her prestigious role to force Google to at least admit where they really stand.
I've walked into many semi-empty downtown brick and mortar banks with 5-10 idle employees, you want to continue paying that "innefficiency tax" in every transaction/loan/wire/credit-card/etc...?

I don't think people really think through the reason there is a 20% tax on financial activity that goes through traditional banking system.
> they are looking to assuage their conscious through statements like these

Statements like these still put pressure on Google. It's possible to care enough to say something, without caring enough to go beyond talk, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's all performative.
What Comes After the Coherence Crash?
New research shows how people now cope, embrace a DIY ethos to find perspective.
I'd been looking for that. Thanks for posting.
> Everyone that cares about security hates VLAs,

Love and hate are emotional considerations not really worthy in this context. I would say that everybody that sees C as a valid replacement of Fortran loves and relies on VLAs and complex types. And there's probably much more people in the world interested in numeric codes than in "security" codes.

> that is why ISO acknowledged the mistake of placing them into C99 and removed them from the standard in C11.

This is most certainly not true. First, I'm almost sure that ISO never acknowledged any mistake with VLAs. Can you point me to where ISO acknowledged that purported mistake?

More importantly, your statement is false because ISO never removed VLA from the standard. That would be untoward and very contrary to their traditions. If they really wanted to remove them they would start by first deprecating them, and they are not deprecated. They are merely an optional feature of the language, just like the "main()" function is. The standard defines different kinds of conforming implementations, and some of them include VLA. Thus it is an official part of the language.

> WG14 has acknowledged their mistake

LOL. Funny that you mention that, since WG14 has added a whole new principle (the fifteenth) to their design document to acknowledge for VLA in future interfaces: http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2086.htm
No mention of wikipedia and khanacademy.
Doesn't that apply only to soldiers?

Does Google really consider its employers soldiers that have to obey to orders?
This is par for the course at most companies with IP to protect. If you quit they just walk you out.
>We think Ryugu is made up of super-ancient rocks that will tell us how the Solar System formed

A strange comment. I believe it has already been determined that Ryugu is a very young asteroid at only 8.9 million years.
You know, I’ve been thinking on this. You’re right. My office chair is way too comfortable—I need the backache to keep me motivated to leave work at work. /s
It also makes development using a mobile phone possible. The Termux environment on my Android phone is identical to what I have on my work laptop.
Exactly. Someone reading the headline and not knowing that Timnit was an empoyee of Google would just read the headline into their confirmation bias.
VAXCluster and the distributed lock manager that enabled it. Nothing has come close. This was from the late 80s.

"Digital Has It Now."
I mean of course nvidia includes chromium embedded framework, why not... every single stupid program needs that /s
A Practical Introduction to Setting Up a Node.js+Express Web Project with VSCode
https://archive.is/yp447
They're often meant to be somewhat hollow. The referenced letter (https://googlewalkout.medium.com/standing-with-dr-timnit-geb...) uses dramatic language to issue pretty anodyne demands: Brain leadership should meet with her former team and explain what went wrong, Google should publicly explain what it was they found objectionable in her paper, and Google Research should confirm they're committed to research integrity and academic freedom. Someone could easily sign this letter without thinking Google's a bad company at all.
Anything that’s settled in dollars or dollar-like synthetic instruments will have KYC/AML.
I hope you get banned in a substantial way.
Dead?

Have a look at Adam Neely on Youtube.
Many of the tweets are encoded in base2048, to squeeze the most out of the 288 character limit.

Paste the base2048 into the editor at https://bbcmic.ro/ and click 'expand'. Expanding it a second time will elongate any abbreviated BASIC keywords.
Not universally though. In countries with stronger labor protections and unions, you can’t just fire people for philosophical disagreements (not without those disputes being mediated anyway).

I don’t understand how we arrived at some conception of workplaces as little dictatorships, where bosses can treat people however they want and that’s somehow good or legitimate.
The US gov lab that made the core of leading Covid vaccines in record time
As much as I support employment rights, you are paid by a company to do their bidding. If you don't like it start a company, but then you're just doing the bidding of the customer.
Peer review for academic papers is typically anonymous. She would have been familiar with the process. In the end, the editor (in this case the manager) takes responsibility for the decision.
>Many very dishonest people help themselves sleep at night by pretending that being polite excuses their actions.

Dishonest people don't excuse their actions by being polite, they excuse by way of a defence which justifies their behaviour erroneously (i.e. those rules don't apply to me because...).

Dishonest people being polite is just a way of manipulating targets. Them not being polite doesn't stop them from being dishonest, it just removes a tool from their toolbox.

Keep it kind that it's easy to tell if somebody is impolite, but much harder to gauge whether they are dishonest.
This sounds interesting, but a little over my head. Can anyone offer an explanation for a software engineer with no AI/ML background?
I’m not saying that I feel that it’s a likely event. I’m saying that Facebook thinks it’s one. On a related note, when it seems like Ray Dalio is saying the same thing (the US dollar will be replaced as a reserve currency), there’s more credence to the idea
Avalanche is not the first PoS coin. You could make an argument that the first was Tezos but there are PoS like instruments that predate it significantly.
Thanks for that.

The problem isn't DID or anything like that but a strange attitude that they want nice things but will put in zero effort to achieve that even if shown basic steps, and have a mindset that they're totally fucked, everything's against them, they can't win. It's a kind of learned helplessness.
Pornography can vile yet ISP's don't take them down even though they could. Why can't reddit do the same thing? 4chan exists as well yet they haven't been taken down.

This is why I disagree with the argument that reddit hasn't taken down any subreddits that "werent vile." If someone is on the internet, they're going to find something they're interested in. ISP's can't stop it for web traffic, why should reddit be treated any differently?
The protests against dragonfly and maven seemed to have an effect, which is the opposite of hollow?
Here is a 2020 review of more recent studies:
https://www.strongerbyscience.com/antioxidants/
work of what some do in an industry or field that may be recent as well.

But; Let me assure you that the term affiliate marketing is not a recent term at all, nor does it refer to a new business in a field or industry; Rather, it is one of the oldest businesses in which a large class of individuals and companies around the world was and still is working in it.

You get confused too much ?! Think more. You will get to the true title of this profession on your own. You know it well and it is practiced in front of you and on you in most of the dealings and transactions that you carry out through an intermediary. Are you still floundering, or have you just solved the mystery ?!

Yes, it is "brokerage"; This profession has been known since ancient times, which refers to facilitating the sale and purchase between two parties in exchange for obtaining a commission agreed upon with each of the parties. And in it we call the mediator in the process between the two parties to the transaction “the broker”.

So commission marketing means brokerage, but: With the creation of some development and modernization on this ancient profession, in line with what we are experiencing in terms of globalization and what we have achieved in terms of huge technological progress and what the spread of the Internet has created and the number of users constantly increasing around the world.

The modern and most developed concept of the brokerage profession - or mediation between the seller and the buyer in exchange for a commission - is the field of
no u just dont have schema to fit all your factoids in.
Fire them too.
I never went very deep into coding on the 'Micro but can remember or work out a lot of the abbreviations they're using - (graphics) MO(DE), F(OR), C(OLOUR), etc. Replace colons with a newline to make it easier to read.

Byte tokens are new to me (well - I probably saw them in source code but didn't know what I was looking at) but with the lookup table seems it'd be fairly easy to do a manual minifying step.

I should get mine out of the attic and try typing some of these in! (Colour composite output might be a quick solder away: https://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/2016-01-12-composi... )

edit: there's also a 'shrink/expand' tool in the editor :-)
I wouldn't call Ritalin given to a hyperactive a "performance enhancing drug". It is a treatment for a disease. It would be like calling Tylenol a performance enhancing drug, of course you will perform better without a headache, but Tylenol won't do anything if you don't have headache.

That ADHD drugs are also performance enhancing drugs in healthy individuals is just a coincidence.

As for performance enhancing dugs in the workspace, they have already made their way. The big one is of course, caffeine. Nicotine would be in second place.

And BTW, nice job managing your hyperactivity without drugs.
What Is the Source of the Wow Signal?
Simple-Decision-Making-Framework/
https://learnings2share.wordpress.com/2020/12/06/a-simple-decision-making-framework/
In principle, I see the point the author is making, but I can just picture my boss from a few jobs ago using this to justify IBM WebSphere and SVN.
Do we have the email with the "ultimatum" in it? I think there's a world of difference between

"Do these things or I'm gone and taking my team with me"

and

"These things are so fundamental to my role as an ethical AI researcher that it's difficult to see myself doing this job without them"

IANAL, but I suspect a court would also interpret them differently.

And even so, Google likes to position itself as a nice employer, which listens to their employees' concerns. De-escalating the situation would have been nice - immediately terminating the concerned employee makes Google seem like another giant faceless emotionless multinational corporation (which it may well be).
what's the status quo on hormesis acceptance ? I've read countless time that the originator is controversial and over-fit his theory .. but at the same time positive/antifragile feedback mechanisms seem so obvious.
Giving ultimatums and threatening to quit generally isn't a good way to remain employed with any company.
Kinda sorta. The way people, even in this thread, talk about working at some of these pioneering companies sounds really engaging, which is kill for. Half of the stories make it sound like the sort of problems they were working on were if nothing else, technically interesting and they had genuinely smart people to help guide them.
As a manager, Gebru wouldn't have been allowed into a union.
Never hire a worthless clown who has $100,000 in student debt and a degree in Victimology. These worthless people can add nothing of value to anything.
> “The textures of the suit, salt and sand on my skin made me feel like I was burning, but I stubbornly insisted on swimming in the sea anyway.”

This is the caption of a photo where she's dumping a pail of sand onto her own thigh.

Huh.
What regulator did you call?
> "...Instead he extorts us for money..."

Extorts whom for money?

> "To be clear, I want more good in the world and less evil. "

That's great. You and I have common ground.

In my experience, dividing the world into good and evil is likely to increase negativity and evil. Embracing the shades of gray, understanding nuance or being brave enough to say "I do not have enough information about this very serious urgent issue to determine the correct moral path" usually increases good.

In my opinion, your instinct to suspect Kiss My Keto could be merely misunderstood is a good and generous one. Personally, I think it's misguided, but I'd hear you out. But to then go on to ascribe actual evil motives to the blogger is, ironically, increasing evil.
>Well first of all, do you plan to continue to do business with this unscrupulous company?

I don't. I stopped doing business with them after the exchange with the co-founder.

>Second, what is your general position on business ethics? If you get yours, then is it ok for them to be potentially screwing others? Basically are you of the perspective that as long as you're taken care of, who cares about the others?

I do care about the others, but I also don't think I'm obligated to spend months/years of my life leading a class-action lawsuit on their behalf.

Short of that, I don't have a good way of contacting their other affiliates at scale. I directly reached out to some of the affiliates they feature as success stories, and I reached out to other keto bloggers, but none of them were that interested in talking to me. I think there's so much shady behavior in keto affiliate advertising that the affiliates either (a) didn't care about the particulars as long as their absolute payout was decent and/or (b) didn't want to engage with a random blogger they don't know who's possibly just a disgruntled affiliate.

I wrote the article so that anyone who Googles the affiliate program will find out about their behavior. This is pretty outside the subject matter of my normal blog posts. If I was looking to write something that would appeal to lots of readers, I'd write about my usual subjects of solo entrepreneurship or software development.

What obligations do you feel I'm failing to meet here?
And Kamala too. It's like reddit is the democratic platform of "no integrity." Why reddit democrats didn't actively vote against the democratic platform this election goes to show they kowtow to everything the party says because of what you said, "they're marginally better than republicans."
Big Corps have always been taken that stance. Google managers must be saying the same thing up and down the food chain.

But the fact that it hasn't stopped walkouts is interesting. It means there are influential people within who back the walkouts.
How does it put pressure on Google? Where's the leverage?
Driving around some cones in a school parking lot cannot be taken seriously.
This is what makes biology so interesting and challenging. You find some biological signal associated with a disease and think "oh, I can just inhibit this and solve the problem!", then you learn there are half a dozen other signaling pathways that rely on that molecule, including beneficial ones.
If they were serious about the strength of collective action, they could unionize. That due process would have protected a fired employee more than any petition.
> So if you don’t do what your boss says at a job, even if you disagree, your boss can fire you, and this is good.

Gonna take a quick guess you're still in undergrad.

Yes, this is literally how employment works. Your future boss's job will be to use your labor efficiently for the company. You may disagree with your boss on an assignment, in which case it would be wise to schedule some time and professionally discuss your concerns. Your boss may be persuaded, and good bosses will try their best, within reason, to keep their subordinates content with the work they're doing.

However, at the end of the day, the boss may disagree with your points and still require you to do the job as assigned. If you refuse, you will likely be fired. Note that you also have agency here: If you don't like the work the boss makes you do, and you feel like your concerns are consistently falling on deaf ears, you can quit.
If your job is an ethicist, your company hires you to demonstrate that they are ethical.

If they truly aren't then you either have to sacrifice your integrity or kick up a fuss. Additionally once her integrity is lost she loses market value.

Her market (whitewashing/signaling of ethical behavior of a large company) is an odd one but she behaved it the most rational manner given the circumstances.

Moreover by kicking up a fuss she probably has sacrificed an non disparagement termination bonus. Real $$$. So she's probably not talking shit.
This is a uniquely American notion of employment. “Do my bidding or be done away with” is not the norm across countries with strong unions and worker protections.
I tend to use IMIHO myself. The third letter stands for “insufficiently”.
As others have said - I don't want to hijack this thread in favor of a systemd-yes-or-no argument. In fact, I made it a point not to use derogatory or inflammatory language in my post, and still got a bunch of downvotes.

At this link: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=systemd

you will find stories involving systemd here on HN over the past several years. I and many others oppose various aspects of systemd, but more importantly, we oppose its being a nearly-inescapable default on Debian. It's not like you can just remove it if you want something else.
Here's the NAS report

https://embed.documentcloud.org/documents/20420409-nas-asses...
"shouldn't we the non-Googlers want to make sure people willing to voice concern about unethical behavior remain at Google?"

That depends on whether they're actually effective. If their concerns are ignored and they're not able to effect change, then their presence at the company is useless as far as moving Google in an ethical direction is concerned.