skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I can't shake the feeling that they try to pull a fast one. For example, Mac mini: 3x faster CPU than the old one, and 6x faster in graphics. At the same time 5x faster than the "top selling PC desktop". What is the top selling PC desktop that it's essentially at the level of a 2018 mac mini, or below? Is that desktop at the same price level?

Also: People who use graphs without numbers on the axis should be shot on sight.
Makes more sense if you think of it like a Chromebook and use cloud storage and software.

Sadly Internet connectivity isn't that good for everyone, even in developed cities.
It is also important to note that bigger transistor size helps with radiation resistance, so it does not make much sense to use 5-30 nm chips in space and military applications. Smaller power consumption absolutely does not worth reduced resistance.

Also there is a big segment of small chips (e.g. RFID) for which a bigger process is cheaper. IIRC most of public transport tickets and cards in Russia are produced locally.
Any option in Euros is about 30% more expensive than buying the same in the US or Hong Kong (which is pretty crummy, but possibly related to taxes and the cost of doing business in the EU).

EDIT: I don't mean VAT/sales tax, I've considered sales taxes in the comparison, but also exchange rates of $1.18/1€. The difference is almost exactly 30%. It looks like the cost of doing business in the EU is much higher, and/or Apple chooses to price their products however they want by region.
Long live Youtube-dl.
I have to agree. While I'm sure the processors themselves are great, the anemic RAM and storage provided on base models (8GB in 2020, seriously?) is outrageous. Especially considering that the M1 chips should be much cheaper for them than the pricy intel processors.
Current situation is, money is coming in. Stock market still loves apple. So for them it seems fine.
That’s an interesting debate tactic you have there. Walk into a discussion full of smugness and unearned confidence. Resolutely make generalizations about hundreds of millions of people with no more evidence than “you have some internet friends”. And clutch your pearls like a self satisfied concern troll when you get called an asshole.

You really sound a lot like your imagined liberal bogeymen with your patronizing concern my friend.
Every Intel MacBook Pro apple sells new is 4 port now.
Fan, likely clock speed. And a different design.
I actually miss "Esc" key being in the touchbar, it felt quicker to tap it on previous gen macbook pro instead of pressing it on my new macbook pro.
Trusting the people to hold the government to the Constitution may have been the fatal flaw. I know that being a Constitutional idealist is a weak position. I feel that is very unfortunate. The Constitution was intended to protect against human natures of avarice and corruption and limit to paths to tyrannical government. Every time the Constitution is weakened the paths to corruption and tyranny are widened.
A GUI application that is not web-based is not a niche use case. A build system is not a niche use case.

I see you have been posting Wintel news. Do you have any affiliation?
It's not that they had an option to collect that $800k in some way - I'd presume that their share in the company was objectively worth much less after all these years, and the only difference that some hardball squeezing might make would be that they get a chance to write off, say, just $500k instead of $800k but more likely just block the deal so that nobody gets anything.
If my English here is so bad why do I see ,,end user'' in Zoom's terms of license all the time, and customer for paying customers?

Can you provide a better legal definition than what I see? (Only the legal meaning of the word matters in the current context).

We're talking about hundreds of millions of people being effected vs few million people, it matters a lot. You would understand that it's very far from pedantry if you followed all announcements that Zoom had in the past.
The iPad Pro has a mere 4GB of RAM and is faster at almost every task AND multitasking than any of my other beefy machines. I wouldn’t discount this yet.
I read the post but didn’t understand why they had to walk. Why did they not get their $800k back?
Gitlab enforces DMCA requests. If you're a reputable company wanting to do legit business in the USA you have to follow the process, it really isn't up to Github or Gitlab unless they want to lose safe harbor status.

https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/dmca/
How Garry Kitchen fixed Atari’s awful music
Apple Announces M1, MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and Mac Mini
Not all NN models are behometh BERTs, U-Nets or ResNets. Person detection, keyword spotting, anomaly detection... there are lots of smaller neural nets that can be accelerated by a wide range of hardware.
While I can understand your frustration, I also understand the frustration of photographers and other creators trying to make a living who have their work stolen. Their anger was wrongly directed at you, but it is a real problem.
(From another source.)

> The new MacBook Air starts at $999, and $899 for education. That makes it the same price as the previous MacBook Air, released in March.

A bit sad, but I guess to be expected. They chose larger profit margins instead of larger sales numbers. Assumption: that new CPU is at least $100 cheaper than the Intel ones.

I miss the days around 2008-2010 or so when the world's arguably best ultra portable laptop was also very cheap compared to the competition.
Intel SGX defeated yet again–this time thanks to on-chip power meter
They’re not advertising any 16Gb models on their web site. It’s all 8Gb. Which you’re not going to be able to upgrade.

I’m out
So, the baseline model has the M1 and the more expensive version has Intel i5. What's the point if the M1 is supposedly faster (or is it)?
[1] they = me accepting that one does not need to know all the actors and motives, in order to see an obvious plot
What happens when Apple deprecates support in macOS for these machines in 7 somewhat years?

Is there an upgrade path to install Linux on them like you currently can with Intel-based Macs? Or are these SoCs like every other ARM SoC that requires a custom kernel and bootloader to get Linux running on them?
Right, but the person I'm responding to says the 15" model is for professionals -- I argue the whole line of MacBook Pro is "for professionals" :)
Having used an MBP keyboard, I'd say "all of them".
Who mentioned training? Most of these chips are only any good for inference. A wonderful symphony with the Apple computing mantra, of course.
Strange, they list the resolution you can use if you use one external display. What about two monitors? I don't believe you could only have one display connected, that would be ridiculous, but I also don't understand why they only write about one display and not about many?
Buyback agreements don't change the fact that the ownership of goods is transferred to BigStore(tm).

BigStores do place based on profitability, that profitability may be boosted by marketing spend...

Theoretical Nabisco also cannot force a discount on their products... or even set a sale price.

I worked in procurement contracting long enough to know that despite some risk sharing(aka buybacks), the products are in full ownership of the retailer. They own the price, the discounts and the locations.
I think it is clear they dropped 32bit x86 support so it would be easier to develop Rosetta 2 (The x86 emulation layer). I don't really see why they would drop support otherwise.
This is what I came here to find. Thanks!
Apple doesn't typically expose this kind of thing as an option during sale.
So I guess Windows won't run on M1, so none of my Windows software/Steam games will work either. Will software developers start dropping support for Mac now that they'd need to maintain an ARM version as well? It's not clear how long Apple will support emulation with Rosetta before cutting it off. What's the Linux landscape look like for this chip? It's great that there's performance and battery life improvements, but Microsoft said the same things about WindowsRT and their move to ARM in 2012, and we know how well that turned out.
8GB and 16GB configurations seem more than enough..
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I often use more than 16 GB of RAM. Generally, I have 3-4 Windows 10 VMs running which each take at least 4GB to be stable. So if I have 4 running that is all the RAM already.
You can press "c" to switch to flat coordinates. Edit: or add ?acf.polar=0 to the URL.
Better thermal will make a big difference for anything where you need high power for a long period. Like editing video for example. Anything where you need only shorter bursts of power won't make as big of a difference.

But better thermals will probably mean they can run the CPU in the Pro at higher base clock speed anyway, so it will probably be faster than the air all around - we'll have to wait for benchmarks to know for sure though.
I don't think Go does anything other languages cant do, it just does things better. It makes things simple. In some ways its like the Mac OS of programming languages. In certain ways its restricting, but 99% of the time its going to make your life much easier.
And what does a $1.5m mortgage get you in the peninsula? Maybe 1000-1200sqft? How lavish...

You don't get an extremely high savings rate either in terms of ratios (unless you live a very economical lifestyle (small apartments/rooms, old/no car, etc.)).
Because they lost it somewhere along the way.
My guess is different clock speeds, also base air has one gpu core less...
Very nice! Thanks for sharing!
You're comparing it with the wrong computer.
Its like being a cat trapped in the washing machine on spin cycle. The only hope for escape is a power failure and mercy of someone who is aware you are inside.

Stuck in a job completely burned out, there is nothing worse than the realization of the futility in any struggle to either escape or improve. The knowledge that your output has dropped, the feeling that it's your fault combined with nobody interested in helping you because they are annoyed about your lack of output. There are no doorhandles on the inside of this washing machine.

My only advice is to meow as loud as you can.
none of the 12" macbooks had fans, and the early Air's didnt, but the later ones did.
> Twice the performance though? Likely in very specific benchmarks.

Keep in mind that the general performance of a given chip, and the performance of that chip in a thermally-constrained form-factor like a laptop, are very different things. Just because the i7-8557u is a decent CPU in a testbench, doesn't mean it didn't thermal-throttle itself under sustained load inside an MBP.
It's true! For me, PHP's docs were an amazing on-ramp to becoming a developer "I just need a function that does something like...". A lot of the language design is annoyingly inconsistent and hard to use, but even in 2005 there were clear explanations on how to make it work.

As an experienced engineer, if I'm handed a well-designed but poorly-documented API, I can usually guess the intent and make it work, at the cost of working more slowly. But a junior engineer will be completely stymied by insufficient docs, regardless of how good the software design is.

I guess, in summary: good docs can make up for bad code. But good code can't make up for bad docs.
I noticed the slides kept saying "Up to" 8 GPU cores.

That left me wondering if there are different variants of the M1 with different core counts.

(Note: It always said 8 CPU cores)
On my 2015 MBP with 16gb I currently have 20-ish tabs in Chrome, Scrivener, GitKraken, Capture One, Slack, WhatsApp, Messenger, Books and Xcode open. The only things that's really bogged down is Capture One.
Apple has called them notebooks for many years, I believe this is how they referred to them on the box too.
I'd agree if you talk about "most projects". But here we're talking about a platform - you can't fault Microsoft for caring about performance! .NET is absolutely not meant only for small sites, my current employer is heavily invested in .NET and we'd probably be dead (performance-wise) without async. Definitely couldn't run our services with PHP (not without Facebook-like investments), we already outgrew that kind of traffic.
This is not "totalitarianism", it's the reduction of free newsfeed distribution. Twitter, and society, doesn't have a long-term interest in a newsfeed flooded with false/defamatory information (widespread voter fraud, for example)

>conspiracy theorists are trying to find the truth

Some of the biggest conspiracy theories that flourish on the web are the result of viral, provably false, information. These people are not truth-seekers, there is no proper research or scientific method - it's instead the equivalent of the supermarket tabloid taken to the extreme: QAnon, flat earthers, 5G cancer, etc.
"squeezing founders over tiny exits."

They are not 'squeezing' remotely.

Otherwise, there would be not such thing as 1x participating in the deal in the first place.

Getting your $800K back while the founder gets $3M is not 'squeezing' it's literally just a transaction.

Also - a founder negotiating a price outside the valuation of the shares is getting very close to illegal (Conrad Black went to jail for this).

I think the founder was actually lucky that the funds simply didn't care.
You don't get the privilege of controlling your Apple hardware for the most part so probably not easily.
> I am very disappointed to see the design is identical to what we currently have

Yeah one possible explanation I can think of is that they're not 100% confident in how rollout will go, and they want to avoid the situation where people in the wild are showing off their "brand new macs" which are still going through teething issues. There's less chance of souring the brand impression of M1 if they blend into the product line better.

Alternatively, maybe they want to sell twice to early adopters: once for the new chip, and again in 12-18 months when they release a refreshed design.
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> it's still a bit disingenuous of Apple not to compare with the best of their previous models.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/11/apple-unleashes-m1/ Says: "“World’s fastest CPU core in low-power silicon”: Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 chip and 16GB of RAM measuring peak single thread performance of workloads taken from select industry standard benchmarks, commercial applications, and open source applications. Comparison made against the highest-performing CPUs for notebooks, commercially available at the time of testing."

"highest-performing CPUs for notebooks, commercially available [in October 2020]" seems pretty good to me.
I'll take a look, thanks.

For bourbaki, I had trouble figuring out what to read first, there are so many separate books. I'll try to figure it out
Having a Nespresso concession stand that sells stuff on their own, doesn't change the fact that the retail side of the operation is inherently the owner of the products.
You can choose 16Gb for +$200.
I'm actually impressed by an ARM chip having so much performance. Although I shouldn't be, my smartphone has the processing power of an XBox One - unthinkable even 4 years ago, at least for me.

Everything being on such a small package must leave room for a lot of battery cells.
I still have my copies of Inside Macintosh, I consider them to be examples of good documentation.

They didn't cover "class libraries". I don't have copies of whatever documentation was provided with MacApp, I do have a Think-C manual that describes their environment.
For me, battery life has been the biggest disappointment with the 2018 MBP. It used to be that if one paid more for a MBP, one got more of everything. With the last couple gens of Intel MacBooks, one had to choose: speed? battery life? Now their lineup (and pricing) makes sense again.
I think they got it wrong. I would pay money to NOT have the touchbar.
They have also never shared this info for iPhones/iPads, so no reason to believe they will do it for Macs going forward. But we should be seeing third party benchmarks soon enough.
On a tangential note, there were reports about the Intel based MacBook Pro from earlier this year having CPU usage spikes and heating issues when charging from the left side port. For users with this problem, it was effectively “charge using the right side port”.
I've seen several instances over the years. The one that stands out for me is a post about ICC suing a YC company. It was an astroturf-fest.
For pro users, the fact that 32GB isn’t even an option is pretty surprising
My uninformed guess is that those are chips where one of the 8 cores failed in testing, but allowing them to be used in low-end machines means they won't be scrapped completely. Seems incredibly unlikely that they produced a distinct 7-core GPU variant just for that machine.
For those looking for some form of TDP estimate for the M1 in a relatively thermally unconstrained form factor:

Apple's web site lists the following for the Mac Mini:

"Maximum continuous power: 150W"
umunhum:

> The reason we breathe is because the outgoing breath stimulates the nerves on the roof of our mouth. Sealing off the back of the throat with your tongue is far easier than slowing down the breath by not moving and trying to still the mind. Then we have to contend with what feels like cilia type tissue that moves back and forth like falling dominoes in our diaphragm stimulating us to breathe. The stronger the muscle of the diaphragm, or the better in shape it is, the quicker the cilia tissue will stop vibrating when you stretch it back and forth from Uddiyana Bandha to an upright pose
The sheer length of the answer? That's because it shows optional, more advanced ways to get config stuff.

Is this so hard?

public class AccountController : Controller
{
private readonly IConfiguration _config;

public AccountController(IConfiguration config)
{
_config = config;
}

public IActionResult ResetPassword(int userId, string code)
{
var vm = new ResetPasswordViewModel
{
PasswordRequiredLength = _config.GetValue<int>(
"AppIdentitySettings:Password:RequiredLength"),
RequireUppercase = _config.GetValue<bool>(
"AppIdentitySettings:Password:RequireUppercase")
};

return View(vm);
}
}
Also if it comes with $600 in cash stuffed inside, that would explain the price. But it's neither of those things.
You've failed to mention what those are. It seems to me to be the case that "these outliers" are in fact the rule.

As a rendering engineer, I have lots of doubt that those vendors will move away from their proprietary APIs, they provide significant advantages, and from anecdotes from around the industry, I think this state is preferred by engineers in AAA development, which I think is where much of the forces in the industry come from.
Pros:
* Amazing chips. Probably more faster than both i9 MacBook Pro 16 and iMac Pros, and GREAT battery life!
* Finally better camera and wifi 6
* same price

Cons:
* Wont not run all apps in full speed for now (temporary)
* Memory expansion is expensive and limited to 16GB (temporary)

Most limitations are temporary, I think these are amazing products unless you want more than 16GB memory.
Depends what you need it for I guess, and how much differently ARM uses RAM than Intel. Anyone know?

Also how much OS X optimisation can help with that. The iPad Pro is a lot faster than most laptops with, what, 6gb memory? And iPhones always seem to have a lot less RAM than Samsung phones but still run faster.
in the old days MySQL + PHP became a popular combination because they both had great docs. But Oracle has let MySQL's documentation get worse and it's no longer the best
Yeah, that's what I was just looking at. Up to 2 more hours of battery life, TouchBar, and a [slightly?] better microphone is the only difference I can see. Not much price difference either.
Rastafarianism is a religion. I assume religious attire is not restricted.
A discrete GPU and more DRAM than can fit on the SoC package, neither of which the MBP13 now has access to.

I'm betting the M1 can't actually work with discrete GPUs (though it remains to be seen what happens if you plug an M1 Mac into an eGPU. What do Thunderbolt-supporting ARM devices generally do with an eGPU?)

Instead, discrete GPU support (and off-package [hierarchically-managed?] DRAM support) is waiting for the M1X-or-whatever, the next chip. Along with that chip, they'll refresh all the discrete-GPU product lines: the higher-end MBPs, the iMacs, and the Mac Pro.

(Personally, I'm betting that Apple will take this opportunity to get rid of truly discrete GPUs in their products, and instead partner with a graphics company like AMD to license IP cores to put in their higher-end SoCs. So you could see e.g. AMD's next-gen Vega with their Smart Access Memory tech, wired to Apple's SoC-internal UMA bus.)
I appreciate dang's moderation. It's generally fair and doesn't discriminate based on viewpoint. Flame wars are pretty tame here and usually devoid of personal attacks.
I was so hoping the Pro might have the same option, but no.
Unfortunately, I've switched jobs and they own the code I wrote. I could probably write something from scratch, using the same principles and be okay :thinking_face:
Thanks, dang. <3
It's possible to do development on 8 GB, you just can't use Electron apps.
I spent years of my life working with him, directly and indirectly. I got to know him on a personal level. None of your business, perhaps, but notice not one thank-you in this entire thread has been directed at sctb, and most readers probably have no clue who I’m talking about. That’s how little recognition he got.

Scott Bell was instrumental to the business of Hacker News. He contributed in a thousand ways, both small and large.
Even American prisons tend to have offenders split into violent and non-violent institutions based on offence. In here it is burglary, so I guess they counted it as violent.

But, that UK hacker that got arrested after black hat was in non-violent section.
>10 years for a non violent burglary.

There are two common ways to get a crazy prison sentence.

Drug and/or gun possession often acts as a multiplier on sentencing guidelines for whatever the underlying crime is.

Multiple contacts with the system (three strikes laws and parole/probation violations) tend to have compounding sentences so screwing up on parole or probation can net you an additional sentence than in addition to time served adds up to longer than whatever the longest sentence you would get as a standalone is.
I believe that verbage is mostly referring to options for VB.NET, Winforms, and WPF being available in Core, meaning projects that use those can be ported
> it's extremely unlikely that you'll die flying

It's usually the not-flying that kills you
It is interesting to abstract battery life as a limit of how many values can be calculated.
It's not, although it is ridiculously fast. But most people don't need ridiculous storage performance; they just need the space.
I had a quad-core Mini with 16GB in 2011. Almost 10 years later we should be much further, especially as the Intel Mini allows up to 64GB. (Which you probably would use only if you upgraded the memory yourself).
Everything from Covid Toes to GI issue to the lungs to the Brain to mental conditions.

Is there anything that Coronavirus doesn't do?
Windows has an arm build, so I wouldn't count it out entirely.

Edit: Never-mind, it looks like they are not porting bootcamp.
After seeing how big a downgrade these machines are over their intel counterparts (16 GB max RAM, max 2x thunderbolt, max 1 external display on the laptops, no 10 GbE on the mini), I'd absolutely buy an Intel machine now to tide me over until Apple can catch up in a generation or two
Looks like there's two variations of the Air: one with 7 GPU cores and one with 8 GPU cores.

https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-air