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"... Good lord did you even think about what you just wrote? Its a browser, not a torture device! ..."

Keep your emotions in check, ad hominem.
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I happened across this nearly year-old comment surfing the backwaters of HN. It is a true classic. Oh how I wish I could award more than a single karma point.
Same with my D80 as well. I just tell myself its not that obvious and ignore it... I'm afraid I'll break it by cleaning it myself!
Fun stuff! I'd written some arc code a while back - a ray tracer, it's part of nex-3's arc github repo (www.github.com/nex3/arc).

Looking at his experiments makes me want to play around with arc again.
How about becoming the twitter of stories? Limit it to 140 words or something (analogous to the 4K compos from the Amiga demo scene).
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"... As we saw with the example of search engines, a new competitor may split an existing market ..."

This is a different beast.

It's consumer binary software. You have to download it, install it, tune it, learn it. The browser is now what the OS was to applications. It's just another hurdle for constrained users to jump. With search engines you just point your browser with a different url.
Thanks. This needed to be said. Arrington doesn't get it. Like Microsoft, Windows is already dead. Chrome is Google's attempt to keep the platform of tomorrow (AIR / Silverlight / JavaFX / Chrome?) running on open standards. Google doesn't care a whit about yesterday's platform (Windows).
You seem to be missing the point of both Tedd's post and my response. Tedd's point is that it's hard to understand OpenID and implement it. My point is that it's easy.
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perhaps this has more to do with recognizing mobile devices as the next big thing (tm), and providing a seamless experience on both mobile and desktops ?
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Long story short: CPython uses a custom memory allocator on top of the OS malloc because some mallocs are really bad and python knows more about it's memory usage patterns than the OS. The newer CPython allocator plays better with popular OS's so that repeatedly newing and freeing lots of objects is more likely to return memory to the system.

The old behavior didn't effect server sized systems and typical workloads but it did piss off some embedded apps.
The Mac and Linux versions will follow soon. At least the sandboxing is nontrivial to implement across the OSes.
Well the overwhelming point is that for the average user, OpenID solves nothing, confuses them, and offers no benefit. It also does more harm than good IMHO opening the door to countless phishing attacks.
I see Ted's point by trying to read your post about OpenID, even I don't get it.
I'm pretty amped to see how Chrome performs. Anything that could steal IE's market share I'm all for it.
"Let's ignore the mistakes as long as they don't impede our ability to understand, and instead let's focus on meaningful discussion."

But the claim about being an OS did impede my understanding. I had to tease out the details from the vacuous hype to get at what the author knew, understood, and had to say on the matter. The claim was not simply a mistake; it was fawning nonsense that soured the article.

BTW, I''m unsure if lecturing people on the fine points of discussion is pedantry itself, or just something equally self-serving. But irony, if present, is always welcome.
I like the site, so I have no criticism. I'll just give you some ideas you can possibly use to promote the site:

1. When people write a story, add a very prominent field with space for email addresses of friends and family who will be interested in reading the story. You may want to use the google API to get contact information from the persons friends, allowing an automatic sending to ticked friends

2. Add a photo or avatar of the user beside the story. On the fp, add a bunch of faces of recently logged in users. It will instantly feel more like a community, and if you encourage people to use their real photo, things will stay very civil

3. Make a weekly competition. Make it prominent on the frontpage, and make the payment amount very small. For example, $10 by paypal. This is just $40 a month. Encourage people to invite their friends to come and vote for them. The best story each week wins the $10 and so on.

4. Find your target audience. Post on forums that do the same stuff

5. Allow people to write serials. For example, for a long time I used to write the fictional account of a soldier at war. I did this over years. Each entry was a short story, but together they formed a long narrative. Such long running narratives build fans

6. Allow pictures in stories

7. Here we will become a bit unethical - search usenet for an obscure but funny story. Add it to your site. Link it from reddit and digg. Alternatively, search scribd or any other document site for the most popular documents of all time that are stories. Addd to your site and do stumbleupon on that

8. Add a 'whacky' category where strange stuff is added. This stuff is more likely to be linked to than the serious stuff you want, but will drive traffic to your main site

9. Don't let your users drop off. If I sign up once, I have to get regular notifications about something, so I get invested in the site

10. Everybody just wants to have fun. You're entertainment first, don't forget that.
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It would be easy enough to test this theory, but it involves watching the wretched thing again...
Seemed pretty clear to me in how he explained the amount of extra effort he would have to expend as a user to get started with OpenID, and as a developer to support it. It's work.
that is somethng to think about. Not sure how writers will react to 140 words thought. Also do mean characters, right?
It's because he's a Goon, swearing becomes a pretty standard element of discourse :-)
Wow, this is fantastic, we are working on some of the ideas you mention, the others we will need to add to our list.

Thanks heaps and keep them coming.
I grant that we read what we want to believe, but this is true of everything, whether true or false.

I can't convince you that the article is not thin other than pointing out that most writing is about communicating a handful of (and often just one or two) elaborated ideas.
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What about having users write a quick, one-sentence grab-your-attention hook to display under each story, rather than just displaying the first few lines?
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I scored 904. I opened the page, clicked "Score test," and got back to work. It took me about 5 seconds. ;)
I've done NaNoWriMo once, and plan to do it again this year, I think. And a big part of that experience is the "shared misery", or "in the trenches together", vibe that the whole project engenders. November is coming up fast...you might consider sending a note to the fine folks who run that project, asking how you could make your site work well for NaNoWriMo participants. The worst they can say is "no" (or maybe the worst they could do is re-implement your idea themselves...they do seem to be hackers themselves, but that's an unlikely scenario).

It could give you a huge influx of users for the month of November...and some of them would stick around. I no longer write much fiction outside of that month (I do so much technical writing for my startup that I don't seem to have the drive for it outside of work), but I know a lot of the participants are frequent writers.

Getting publishers involved somehow would also be a good direction. Many print-only publishers are trying to figure out how to deal with this new-fangled (less than twenty years old...clearly unproven!) web thing...perhaps you can help them. I don't immediately see the connection, but perhaps user-created and user-edited books are the wave of the future. Somehow applying the reddit/digg model to fiction seems at least an amusing thought exercise.
The fact that the stories are published on the web is a huge downside actually.

Have you looked at Critters? http://critters.org/ It's focused on helping people improve their writing, and as a model has functioned for well over 10 years. Very successful, on the whole.

One of the key selling points of sending stories to Critters is that you get critiques back which help you improve your writing. The other key point is that they're not published on the web. They're only published privately to members. This means that after improving your story further, you can actually still submit it to magazines for "real" publication.

I would not submit my best stories to your site, for the simple reason that I would hope to be able to send them to a magazine some day, and putting them on your site is akin to publishing them for free (magazines will not republish stories).

Perhaps if you offered some small symbolic payment (e.g. $50) for the best stories and featured those in a monthly magazine (online), that would motivate many more writers to submit their best work. There's a huge difference in the writer's mind between a paid publication and a free one, and the former is far more attractive.

Otherwise, if I'm gonna publish my stories for free, why not just put them on my own blog or start a blog for my stories?
Same; almost.

I did the first row, clicked score, and noticed that I did well in that range. Then, I didn't waste my time with the others.
awesome idea and site.

Only recommendation I can think of is... have the votes collect into points for authors. So then you can show 'top writers' and have competitions etc.
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Every time I see an OpenID site, I just type "http://jrock.us" and am instantly signed up. No username and password selection, no waiting for the retarded e-mail confirmation e-mail... I am instantly registered for any site by just typing a few letters. I am really unsure why people dislike OpenID. As a website user, my time is saved. As a website developer, my time is saved. I suppose if you never intend to use more than one website, OpenID is a waste of time. For everyone else...

I think this guy would dislike e-mail if Facebook messaging had been invented before it. "Everyone with their own domains? That's too confusing. How will we ever explain it? Everyone except me is too dumb to understand!"

(As an aside, why is everyone so obsessed with making things "easy" for "users" they've never met? People aren't as dumb as you expect. Make it work for yourself first -- at least it will be good for one person that way. Your unresearched assumptions are harmful.)
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Wasn't the one submitted to HN requiring a mere $100? Imagine that!? :) How nice of them to lower the prices they were going to pay the developer...
Most of the time you are reading yourself.

That's only true if most of what you read is boring.
Well, I was coming at it from a developer's point of view. Here's a user story:

1. I don't have an account with this site. They say that if I have an account with (any of these other OpenID-supporting sites), though, that that one would work instead. Neato, but I don't use any of those, so:

2. I'll click on the register link here. Ah, here's a registration page. It doesn't have the site's logo on it, but they said that would happen--they've outsourced this part.

3. Registered. They gave me a link, and said "just treat it as your username." OK; I'll try to remember it, then. "It'll also work on all those other sites we mentioned, and more every day." Neato again; I might check some of those out.

4. I'm back on the site I started at, and I've already been logged in. They got my nickname right and everything.

(days pass)

5. "You've been logged out of the site due to inactivity." Oh, well, what was my username again? That link thing? Oh, here it is in the autocomplete.

6. Hey, it didn't ask me for my password! What the heck? I'm just logged in all of the sudden. I guess that's good, then.

(weeks pass)

7. "You've been", "inactivity", blah blah blah. Autocomplete.

8. Oh, I'm back on that site that did the registration. They're asking me for my password. Makes sense--they're the only ones that I told that particular detail. Put that in...

9. Ah, I'm back on track and logged in again. Nice.
That made me chuckle at myself a bit. I think you might be right about my comment on pedantry being pedantic. Point taken, and thanks for bringing that to my attention.

I think that even though Arlington gets caught up a bit in what he perceives as the grand struggles between the giants, he understands a large portion of what he writes. He may not quite grasp the difference between platform and OS, but he senses some of the consequences a shift towards a google-centric computing universe would have.

That said, I'm growing a bit weary of every techcrunch article being posted on hn. I used to read it avidly when I first began working on my startup, and it provided a great deal of motivation. But looking at it now, quite a bit of it seems to be drama or hyperbole about one topic or another. Much more thought-provoking content on hn.
I agree with you there. 100%.

All public OpenID providers should be using valid SSL certificates. For some reason that is terribly, terribly wrong, some providers don't (like https://alwaysknownas.com, https://openid4u.net and https://openid.es).
People aren't as dumb as you expect.

You're right--they are about 10 times dumber. Have you been on Facebook or MySpace, or read YouTube comments lately?
Definitely will be in the next release.
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Thanks for the advice, I will be in touch with NaNoWriMo people see what they say.

Thanks Again
Interesting idea, although am not sure about the colors even though the site looks clean enough.
We've yet to see what kind of interfaces if any there are for customizing the browser. The plugins that the comics discuss are like the Adobe Flash plugin and not like the flashblock Firefox extension.
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And with html5 video support in Webkit, another advantage of Flash evaporates. There is still the question of distribution, though.
Amen! I totally get OpenID but it's yet another technology with no significant benefit to the average joe (or, rather, no benefit that outweighs the disadvantages). Like RSS, this remains one for the power users.
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Sorry but that's just way way way too confusing for most internet users.

They know how standard registration/login works. They have a browser that remembers passwords for them. They don't need OpenID.
His way of finding a business oppurtunity seems to be simple:
Just find what everyone's using and build (or get built) another one like that to try and make a quick buck. These guys often dream of becoming billionaires with this idea. I confess that I too had such ideas when I was 14 (4 yrs ago).

He never seems to think why people need another OS or as he says an 'Operasting System'.
"At least the sandboxing is nontrivial to implement across the OSes."

Far less trivial on operating systems that have no "fork", like, say, Windows. It would be easier to implement on any UNIX, including Linux and Mac OS X, and would be more alike on any UNIX. And, of course, it would definitely not be evil to release only for Linux with plans to release for closed systems soon after. I'm of the opinion that releasing first for only Windows smells of evil, even if only when the wind is blowing right.
That seems to be what they are saying.

However, Google does not have a good track record of delivering product for non-technical end users. GMail, their one succesful homegrown, mass-market, non-search product that I can think of, is a mess (haphazard user interface, no improvement for years, still beta). For such a strategic app, that is worrying.

As for their platform vision, it also seems very scattershot. They have visionary initiatives (GWT, Gears, App Engine, now Chrome) but it seems awfully disjointed with hardly any synergy between these projects.

I think it has yet to be proven that these projects can be integrated into something larger than the sum of its parts. For my money, if they can't do it with Chrome I have no confidence they can do it at all.
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Even youtube doesn't satisfy No. 1 in the early years when there weren't much interesting videos in their database.
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Sorry. Too confusing for the average internet user.
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hey hey, what's with the hey hey hey onomatopoeia hey hey obsession?

I'm all for informal writing styles, but those hey hey hey's really got on my nerves.
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I plan to focus on LAMP. (specially interested in Python)

Thanks in advance.
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So every time a person wants to use it, they simply buy their own domain, install drupal with the openid module and say "yay" ????

Sure, easy.
What percentage of the internet using public is responsible for the type of youtube comments you're talking about? You can't take what is the worst display of human intelligence and hold it up as the standard or average with which you label everyone.

Even taking the youtube commenters I suspect, most of them, would be able to grasp openid if it stood between them and the next ROFLMAO-able video.
Because:

* Most people like to download files with proper names and metadata.

* The app itself could not provide such a plugin, as it could be argued that this was designed to facilitate copyright infringement.

* Most users wouldn't know how to install some third party plugin to the app to perform this, especially as the app provider couldn't link to it, for the reasons above.

PS. If anyone here is from reddit, and believes taking people's creative efforts without paying for it where asked is not wrong, please justify why.

Thanks.
I don't see why it will ever be "awesome." Any system that lets you use the same password/username for every site is a recipe for disaster, I think. Well the key problems I see with this whole getup is

1) Phishing? 10x Easier if everyone used Open ID. Masquerade as a provider, phish happy.

2) If someone has their password stolen...there goes every account they have. Albeit, without open id, this is sadly often the case anyway. (Not for me, but for most people.)

3) How hard is it, really, to register for a freaking website? Name, address, mailinator email. Done, no hassle.

IF Open ID is to be useful, it has to be able to log people in with extreme ease, otherwise the time-saved benefit of not entering these reg forms will be eradicated by the complexity of the system itself. And obviously...openid is NOT extremely easy. In fact, its quite the opposite. Even for a power user...unless you're signing up for many many many many accounts, its not helpful.
I wonder if Google's own Firefox devs are working on this.

I also wonder why the term Chrome was used - for devs (which are a tiny bunch of people), that term refers to the UI of Mozilla based products.

Edit: answering my second question, the term chrome is a general UI term, from before Mozilla. http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/C/chrome.html
> Their whole tabs-as-process thing is too, when you think about it.

Could you please explain this too?

I like being able to identify and kill individual tab and plugin processes.

But I don't understand why you can't garbage collect a thread like the presentation seems to say.
The same thing happened to me, almost exactly.

I recommend people in the selling out phase read the article, and digest the lesson.

Without the proper protections in the contract, earnouts are incredibly dangerous for the seller. Take it from one who's been (badly) burned.
I plan to focus on LAMP. (specially interested in Python)

Well, you're already off to a great start, and welcome to Hacker News. Take a look at Django if you're interested in Python. Fantastic documentation, and great support on a variety of things.
For the budding student, Ubuntu is a fantastic idea. Good idea also with LAMP. I recommend using simply phpmyadmin for your backend work as it's simple and intuitive. Get XChat and stay tuned to the #ubuntu, #python, #apache, channels etc for instant assistance. I believe there's a Dr. Python IDE/Interpreter, similar to Dr. Scheme... if you look in Synaptic and do a search for python, you'll find a few IDEs you can install and take for a whirl. I have Netbeans and Eclipse installed, but for quick throwaway programs, nothing beating the terminal, Vi and/or Gedit.

Best of luck!
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I use facebook. 99% of the people I want to invite are already on there. If they aren't, I can invite them by email address. Works perfectly fine.
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