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I did some consulting a few months ago. A FOAF had developed and launched a quite comprehensive online textbook, and their success was choking the the website. They don't know much programming, and had they not used a framework (and one of the slower ones at that), they wouldn't have launched. Period.

I moved in, got them off shared hosting, replaced the built-in search with a Apache Solr, tuned the cache and a few other quick wins, took my money and left them my phonenumber. They live to fight another year or two, and I'll stop by and help again then.

Scalability is not your problem, getting people to give a shit is.

http://teddziuba.com/2008/04/im-going-to-scale-my-foot-up-y....

Frameworks helps getting people to give a shit, custom C++ extensions doesn't, so use a framework, unless Yahoo! called.
What do people who don't have the Reality Distortion Field do to persuade people?

Learn to develop one. It doesn't need to be as good as Steve Job's, but being able to persuade people that you're onto something is a pretty essential skill as a start-up founder. In fact, I wouldn't start up unless you are able to convince a few people that your proposed business is really good and worth backing. Consider it a first hurdle.

If you can't convince people to join up with you, either your pitching skills are not good enough (so improve them) or your idea sucks (so iterate through that).

And, as others have said, if that person is not really interested in the start-up life, don't push them... find someone else (unless that person is a genius).
What a load of crap. Quite surprising to hear that sort of tripe come from a respected figure like Rasmus Lerdorf... but then, he did invent PHP.

First of all, requests/s per server is not a measure of performance, it's a measure of scalability. I can take the same system he's got, buy 9 other identical servers, and get 10 times the throughput. Does that mean they're higher performance? No, just higher scalability.

Secondly, scalability is not your problem. Getting people to give a shit about your site/product is your problem. Scalability is a hard problem later, but it is only worth really worrying about once it is a real problem.

Rasmus Lerdorf: -1.
I talked with the father of a VC a few months ago. He said that his son's divorce had just cost him $10 million in a divorce settlement. I'm thinking: Jesus! $10 million pays for a lot of roses and marriage counseling.

Regarding handling the downs: That's tough. We usually take a break from the action, spend time with each other and regroup. Generally, we work a lot more on prevention of marriage problems instead of trying to put out fires, though. If we're starting to squabble with each other, it's probably because there's an issue that needs to be addressed, and we need to take the time to work it out.

Our marriage comes first. Having a multi-million dollar exit would be really nice, but it's not going to keep us warm at night.

We have a weekly meeting in which we talk about about relationship stuff, and make sure things are okay on that front. We're a lot more productive when our relationship is working well. It's a good business decision and it makes for a much funner journey.

We've also made a point of taking breaks from the action. Every 3 months or so, we take a road trip for a couple of nights. We both work really hard, so it's helpful to unplug and focus on the relationship every couple of months.

Probably the best marriage advice I could give anyone is to do some preventative marriage counseling. My wife and I made a point of going to marriage counseling the first year after we got married. It's not that our relationship was on the rocks, we just wanted to get it right. So, we spent a year going to a marriage counselor and got a whole bag full of tools to work on our marriage. It's helped us for years, and I'd recommend it to anyone in a serious relationship.
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With a list of "who's using jQuery" that includes Google, Bank of America, Dell, CBS, NBC, Netflix.. your boss might not be the sharpest tool in the shed if "be a javascript rock star" bothers them..
Upper class is second-generation. To be truly upper class you'd have had to have gone to an elite boarding school, for example, and bonded socially with the rest of the upper class. Self-made people can never be more than upper-middle regardless of how much cash they have.
Dude, it's just a javascript library. And a pretty damn good one.

I think you guys might be a little too uptight..
I lived in Providence, and this is partially true. Yes, there are many old money that drive cars like this, but if you spend time out in Newport during the summer, you do see many six figure cars.
It's common knowledge among people who pay attention to this kind of thing that political conventions = lots of casual sex. The same thing happened at the RNC of 2004 and will happen again this year:

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/News/Politics/Det...

...and probably every other NC for as long as we have NCs.

The sun just came up here and it just got brighter outside. But correlation does not imply causation.
Republicans do it to. http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/News/Politics/Det...

That morality stuff is mostly for Sunday morning, not Saturday night.
It's not about how much tax you pay. It's about how the government uses it.

For example, in most of Scandinavia, the tax rates would make a typical American's eyes bleed. But what they get for it is: clean streets, low crime, great public transport, education and healthcare, and so on. Here in the UK we're taxed almost as much and our government is staggeringly inefficient and pisses most of it away. Filthy streets, knife crime, falling literacy and numeracy rates, a healthcare service that is as likely to kill you as cure you. If I relocated to Sweden or Iceland, I'd have no problems with paying their taxes. But I bitterly resent every penny that goes to the UK government.
The worst part is the docs, they've become significantly less readable, and the content doesn't start until much farther down the page.
I had to check the URL to make sure it didn't end in /thisisajoke. I guess if you got rid of the illustration banner it wouldn't be that bad. Whose idea was it to use My Chemical Romance to market jQuery?
I agree, this is a legitimate problem for those of us who have to evangelize to get good technologies like jQuery past the gatekeepers at work. I'm considering starting an online petition of sorts, because I can't afford to have a library I depend on, and which has high visibility, to look like immature crap.
Hacker News LinkedIn Group: This list is dead, long live the list.
So, a while back we started a mailing list with a handful of subscribers from the news.YC community, but after a couple weeks the idea didn't really stick.

On the plus side, we've had a large number of folks (over 100 now) join the LinkedIn group, which is here:

http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=86116

Today LinkedIn finally made groups, well, useful, so I'll be killing off the lists, but semi-private discussions are still possible on the LinkedIn group.

I have rejected a handful of people from the group. While I've not adhered hard-and-fast to the "you must have a karma of 20" rule, if I can't find connection to this site or startups I will most likely reject your submission. (For those of you who haven't run a LinkedIn group, there are a lot of head-hunters that try to join every group out there, so there should be some way to keep the group focused.)
The problem I find with illustrations of that size and in that position on the page is that I have to scroll down before I get to anything meaningful. By the time I've reached any content the website has already frustrated me as a browser.
What does that actually mean, tho'? That they're running mission-critical apps on it? Or that some third party ad agency they subcontracted something to happened to use it on one project? Or something in between?

I'm always suspicious of client rosters like that because in a big enough company, pretty much everything is being used in one way or another, even if it's only for someone's pet project. It doesn't mean a thing.
I kinda see the point, especially as someone who's used RoR quite heavily and is currently developing code with Django.

It's ultimately a tradeoff between rapid and optimised development. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.

The project I'm developing in Django would never have more than 100 concurrent users so for me, that's fine. The framework approach and lack of need to optimise gives me an advantage I otherwise wouldn't have.

I wouldn't use Django (or RoR) if I had 10s of thousands of concurrent users, not because it can't scale, but because the effort required from me in terms of optimisation starts to outweigh the benefits gained from the framework at that point.
Let me expand out that opening line for you.

The post explores a perspective for the express purpose of generating and connecting ideas and experiences. Other established interpretations are possible, but we will temporily set them aside so that we can hash out what is (potentially) a new idea.

Why is that so hard for some people to get? It's like you're unable to grasp how mathematics and science is done. You take a premise or form a hypothesis... then you see what you can build on it. 9 times out of 10 it doesn't go anywhere... but the time for rigor is later, not at the beginning.

It's as if the phrase "for the sake of discussion" is completely beyond your mental capacity or something....
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He wasn't really talking about scalability but req/sec which has more to do with speed/latency.

Getting people to care about your website requires it being fast .. see Google: "Google found an extra .5 seconds in search page generation time dropped traffic by 20%." (http://highscalability.com/latency-everywhere-and-it-costs-y...)

But then again, if you want speed why use PHP at all ;-)
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It's not hard to find out, go to the app, click view source and search for a jquery import. I just checked dell.com and they are using it on the front page.
As far as I know, people act as if they're math dorks, even if they don't make those explicit calculations (the same way your average basketball player doesn't know that f = ma, but can still apply f sufficient to give a particular m the a necessary to make a three-pointer).

For most people, the increase in utility from $75k to $100k is negligible

Well, the savings rate is not variable enough by income for that to be true. It looks like people ratchet up their consumption nearly as fast as their income increases, so it is fairly linear. And if you consider utility to be the optimal bundle of goods, even rapidly diminishing marginal utility doesn't change the fact that you get exponentially more consumption bundles with more money, so the best bundle is likely to require a high income.

I still think that talking about the final outcome is not useful, since the final outcome is hidden behind the probability of failure. You can't talk about the incentive to play the lottery just by reciting the prizes -- the odds are important, too.
* For example, no one rich would "leverage their home equity to finance purchases."*

Is this because rich people don't borrow, or have the found a source of income even lower than a subsidized loan with tax advantages? If someone's home is a small fraction of his net worth, taking a mortgage and using it to invest in a business would probably be a sensible arbitrage.
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Django is fast as hell. Check out the benchmarks. The reality is that with performance and bandwidth getting cheaper, frameworks for the web look like a better choice every day.
Against most opinions I love it.

Why do code/opensource/... sites had such a serious designs?.
I think JQuery site design is great, it will take a while to get used to it but surely others will follow.

(In any case, what we have to really care is about the library itself)
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The technologies at the root of new products like Apple’s iPod or the Facebook social networking service were actually developed several decades ago.

Would people have bought an iPod when they were using CDs still and hard drives were really expensive?

Just because the technology was created "decades ago" doesn't make those current innovations any less valid. Both of those examples (ipod/fb) required the technology to be applied effectively and have a market ready for them. It took more then hard drives and web applications to make them successful.

They created the technology for personal computers long before it became feasible for a market outside of the tech and academic community. After all the other factors came into place (price, hardware manufacturing, market demand etc) it was able to reach a mainstream market.

That sounds like a weak argument when saying there is an innovation crisis. Investors will invest in innovations when there is a feasible market for them. Not just because they exist.
The commenter is cluelesss. Any substantial project either has certain patterns embodied as part of a library or has such code that's repeated cut & paste style and has such a library begging to be factored out of it.

Also, programmer cycles are going to be a lot more valuable than computer cycles in the very beginning, and whenever you have a competitor. If you are not well factored and you can't develop rapidly, you will eventually pay. Bad code is a debt! This isn't just a slogan. I've seen it in person again and again.
Frameworks are about creating reusable, stable code that simplifies development. I would say this is exactly the type of thing that "real programmers" strive to create.

The author does mention that frameworks may be the "best choice for rapidly prototyping your startup." This is certainly true, but the model of rapidly iterating gets cut down when you create your 1.0 with a framework, begin getting customers, then pause for a 4 month rewrite for the sole purpose of eliminating a framework.

If it's necessary to eliminate the framework in order to optimize (I don't believe it is), let it work itself out over time and many evolutions of the product. Don't aim to start your project without one.
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Example: An investor agrees to invest $1,000 in seed money at a $10 million valuation.

Is the company worth $10 million? Would anyone pay $10 million to buy the whole company? Not necessarily. The investment amount is so small as to have little bearing on the actual valuation.
Another utterly vacuous post knocking frameworks to whore some traffic.
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Not that programmer. He got the idea from Superman III and Office Space, but instead of funds transfer software he was coding the matching algorithms for Okcupid.
Sounds to me like "Real programmers don't use a high-level language" or "Real programmers use Assembly".

Steve Yegge had the best story in this regard. His old company built mobile software in assembly. The app was huge - like several million lines of code - but they were convinced it must be fast, because it was in assembly. But then Microsoft came out with a competitor, written in a higher-level language, that was way faster. Why? The assembly app was full of inefficiencies that they couldn't see because they were working at such a low level.

Frameworks aren't about "lowering the barriers of entry to programming". They're about allowing a developer to focus on what's new and original and important, and not worry about things that have already been solved a thousand times. They're just libraries! Why rewrite an email sending library or a unit testing library or a database connection library for every app? Or deployment automation, or ORM, or web request handling, etc. Arrange a few of these and you've got a framework.

If your framework isn't responsive, stable, and simple, then you need a different framework, not no framework.
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Real programmers also don't use libraries. Hell, they don't even use subroutines unless they absolutely have to!
Duh, real programmers program in binary, right?
"To get the speed that is necessary for truly massive web systems you have to use compiled C++ extensions to get true, scaleable architecture."

But at the same time, even creating a simple procedural PHP extension is a huge undertaking (much more than it needs to be), accentuated by poor and out of date documentation all around, and large parts of documentation are missing from the PHP site concerning extension creation.
The site re-design makes jQuery look more complete, like an actual product that is ready to be used and I think that's what they were aiming for.

The rockstar thing, kind of lame but I'm sure you guys can live. (Especailly with the links to Google, IBM, etc right under it)
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Don't forget that every programming language is a framework itself. There maybe good ones and bad ones, simple ones, useless ones, some may fit or not fit in your context.
For the same reason that people still write with a Biro or Hoover the carpet.
I wholeheartedly disagree - getting the terms right is SO important. For instance, I was about 2 yrs late to blogging because the word "blog" just confused me, but I jumped right into podcasts because I knew exactly what it was just from hearing the word.
From TFA:

He continues on by stating that PHP developers really need to think about performance for not only scalability reasons but for green reasons.

Sounds to me like he cares about performance because of scalability. That's retarded.

Upon second reading, I'm beginning to think that the writer failed to follow what was being said. I can't believe that someone like Rasmus Lerdorf would say something quite so daft, and the style of the article is erratic to say the least. So maybe it's just the writer who misinterpreted what RL said.
questionable design aside, i'm just happy the documentation is back up and loading quickly. without that, i don't know if i'd ever be able to achieve javascript rockstardom.
Rasmus is a one trick pony who sees the entire universe of programming through the prism of application performance.
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Someone buy that guy one of these:

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I kept waiting for this guy to argue for something. Is he proposing that we all use Java servlets? .NET? Drupal? Joomla? Ning? Raw PHP? Old-school hand-rolled Perl? Old-school hand-rolled C? Haskell? Erlang? Arc?

But: nothing. I'm supposed to accept that Rails, Django, Merb et al are hopelessly non-scalable, unstable, FUD-worthy Visual Basic technologies and switch to... nothing.

It's a mystery. I skimmed the guy's CV: Lots of impressive-sounding entreprenurial stuff, no technical details that I could find. (I didn't read too closely... the CV is wordy.) I skimmed his "Software" blog entries. A complaint about .NET, a mention of a Perl users group, some praise of Erlang. But nothing clear. Why do I have to solve this guy's advice like a puzzle? He should tell me what the hell he's talking about so that I know whether or not I should laugh, and how loudly!
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Never mind the politicians. (I suspect that if an elected official with a reputation to lose is looking for a little extramarital nookie, he or she has more discreet sources than craigslist.)

Think of all the lower-level political staffers, the volunteers, the politics junkies who came to the convention because they want to hang out with other politics junkies. There are lots of young, enthusiastic people in a city full of strangers who are only going to be there for a week. Like spring break, without the beaches.
They seem just as readable to me color/font-wise, but the width of the content definitely bothers me.

I realize there is a maximum width the human eye can easily read, but the docs seem much narrower than before, and over half my browser window is wasted with empty space to the left and right.

As for the design itself, I enjoy project sites with a familiar style, but this looks like something out of a commercial for Fruit Roll-ups or something. Very appealing to a 10-year-old I'm sure, but kind of garish.

Oh well, at least jQuery itself is still great. That's all that really matters anyway.
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Seriously. I'm getting far more than my money's worth from jQuery; they can be as silly as they like.

If you desperately want a jQuery site that looks like Oracle.com, or Jacob Nielsen's site, or whatever, ask John Resig for permission to mirror the content and then reskin the thing.
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