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'I always thought IE and Firefox could be slimmed down'

Have you tried Opera? I use Windows and FreeBSD, so as Chrome isn't availble on FreeBSD yet I'll probably run Chrome on Windows and Opera on FreeBSD.
In that sense, this might really be a third browser war. I think Google is pushing Chrome largely to support performance and standards.

I think Google would like to make browsers into commodity pieces of software. Browsers might have different looks and perhaps different features, but when it comes down to core rendering and performance they are exactly interchangeable.

I don't see Chrome so much as a vehicle to compete for browser share as much as I see it as an attempt to eliminate browser control as a point of competition.
Apple never promised to publish every application. Books are not a platform Amazon owns.
Because they're now starting to back the MVC framework more and more heavily, which is a return to developing web applications like web applications and not like client-server applications.

Just because they have a large amount of adoption doesn't mean they've done things the right way.

I'm not saying that ASP.Net doesn't have a huge level of adoption, because it does. I am saying that they are seeing the problems with the idea of web applications just like client-server apps.

To be 100% clear, I mean that the concept of developing a web application just like it's a client-server application is a failure. Not the Asp.Net stack which is very clearly not.
6% of SAI readers already using Chrome
As long as crime pays, there will be criminals.
I guess this makes the App Store of limited capability as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walled_garden_(media)

"A walled garden, with regards to media content, refers to a closed set or exclusive set of information services provided for users (a method of creating a monopoly or securing an information system)."

This is Apple's system, not yours. No surprise here.

(Notice how the parenthesized "media" within the url is not included within the link?)
Not to mention music publishers don't do a great job in this role of theirs you say they have, since there's still lots of crappy music out there. However, I doubt music publishers actually care, since having a crappy song in iTunes can still make you more money than NOT having a crappy song in iTunes. And who knows, someone might like it.

The last time I checked, "Silence" by Guster was still on iTunes. If that isn't the functional equivalent of a "limited utility" app then I don't know what is. But its there, I'm even sure a Guster fan has bought it. The fact is, Apple can do a lot of things about limited utility apps without shutting them down completely.
Yes. Though he should have said, "very few". Have you looked at the Internet lately? Now that is a big selection of software developers.
Not yet. I just graduated, and I am taking time to play with things and learn some stuff I really want to know!
Thank you.

I see no need for people to automate and integrate to the point of absurdity.
No, but they kinda put out the welcome sign, proudly touted their "60 Million Apps Downloaded!" statistic, and now they're saying, "thanks, you've done your job now go away."
I think the reddit vote hide command is actually legitimate. I think reddit should provide something like that so you can say things like "I don't want to see anything about Sarah Palin".

I know that's what the recommendation engine is supposed to accomplish, but it doesn't work all that well.
Unfortunately, in human society, the source of corruption is humans.
It's very interesting to see the use of the tilde for nasalized vowels in an English text, the same as it is currently used in Portuguese today.
It looks interesting, but it seems to have a while to go. I've been trying to make a presentation at 280slides now and it's hung several times, and messed up the slides too. Maybe not the API's fault, but not very comforting...
Not until Chrome gets extensions/addons. I absolutely cannot live without ad blocking, better tab management, NoScript and my check-multiple-gmail-accounts addons.
I've always said those things should be outlawed!
Dark Helmet: "So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
I was happy with Dawkins book until being told, by a geneticist if I remember right, that he wasn't very serious, that Gould was serious reading but Dawkins was not completely so. I'd be glad to know if it's right or not.
I won't be switching as long as the new FF coming out is faster than Chrome (as they say it is). It also has to come out on the Mac first. ;)
"And that's all. Period. End of section." I like how they put that. Don't be evil, indeed.
I guess I should be a little clearer. I am already an "expert" in CSS/JS/DOM/... (after spending years doing web stuff and then over a year as lead dev on Flock). I really like the languages.

I've not used Obj-J so I cannot say if I will like it as much as I like JS. The idea of cappuccino providing a cocoa for the web is great, I just wonder if it could have been done without requiring a "new" langauge

I look forward to experimenting with your framework though.

Kudos!
I'm sure there are embellishments and inaccuracies in Adams speech.

But the point is that he got the gist of story 100% wrong, not just wrong but exactly opposite of what happened. The corporations were trying to help them, not stop them. No one can be that confused.

In addition to that, we all know that in general (yes I am generalizing) security through obscurity and legal threats tends to be the norm.
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Spore finally released
Spoken like a true philanthropist...
Chrome certainly looks very promising. However it is still lacking many features. Until they get it all put together I doubt that I will be switching.

I've also read that IE8 has some nice features that Chrome does not have or doesn't do as well. I'd prefer to avoid IE8, but you never know, maybe MS got something right this time around??
Your argument sounds a lot like "64k should be enough to anyone"; I guess we'll only need more and more processing power (and processes aren't necessarily applications, as in the case of Chrome -and you could also be using threads for that matter-, so your argument doesn't follow anyway).
I would also like to see an informed comparison. In addition to cmake, scons, qmake, and boost, there is also omake, which has an OCaml background but supports C, and waf, another Python build system. After skimming some documentation, I found it harder to compare autotools replacements than to compare various web frameworks. :)
Agreed. They handled the whole "Don't be evil" thing well here.
Switched yesterday. I transferred 8 tabs from FF3 and 8 tabs from IE (formerly ran both, for different sites), and started using Chrome exclusively. So far, 100% perfection, 100% stability. All the financial sites, news sites, Amazon, ..., everything works perfectly. Great performance. Very slick developer tools built-in.
I was a little annoyed that someone posted yet another link about Google fixing the EULA, but this actually has some decent info in it about why they need section 11 for the other Google services...

"You'll notice if you look at our other products that many of them are governed by Section 11 of our Universal Terms of Service. This section is included because, under copyright law, Google needs what's called a "license" to display or transmit content. So to show a blog, we ask the user to give us a license to the blog's content. (The same goes for any other service where users can create content.) But in all these cases, the license is limited to providing the service. In Gmail, for example, the terms specifically disclaim our ownership right to Gmail content."
Not right now, the Chrome on my machine is constantly crashing :(

I'd like too though.
Haven't tried it yet since I use Linux at work and Mac at home.

If nothing else I think Chrome sets the bar higher for the incumbents - process isolation in a browser is a nice innovation.

Cheers
This is interesting - No intermediate language. I was wondering about this in response to a comment yesterday:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=293962

This linked to a post where one of the key developers (Dave Griswold) said "The release of the V8 VM is the beginning of a whole new era for dynamic languages"...

From this, I wouldn't see this as the case at all. I can't imagine many people wanting to use JavaScript as an intermediate language.

Without an intermediate language or some form I wouldn't call this a Virtual Machine - it's an interpreter... Granted, a pretty fast and sophisticated one.
"Does this mean Microsoft going to keel over tomorrow? Of course not. But as the rise of the Internet, Apple (second coming), mobile computing, Google, et al, are demonstrating, PC operating systems are a lot less important than they used to be."

Literally could not agree more...
It's more like the Google we use to know.
yep... I set it as my default. Now FF is just for development until Chrome has extensions and firebug comes over.
"Each worker, though is paid in proportion to the degree of skill he/she exhibits."

This is not necessarily the case, I have known plenty of very skilled people who were not paid as much as their coworkers who were less technically able but more politically adept.
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I'd be curious to see if there was a way to measure this effect with any kind of certainty. Must ponder this some.
I'm currently using it, but I'm switching back to firefox on single core machines -- the multiple process method doesn't work too well on an older machine.
Chrome will not interest me until there is some ad-blocking available. Yes, it is superior to anything else out there, but my killer app for the web is still being able to surf the web sans irritating advertising.
Incidentally, those are two of the Cappuccino developers in the first photo in the new slideshow on http://ycombinator.com (plus Patrick Collison of Auctomatic).
In essence, Tesla's global power grid was designed to "pump" the planet with electricity which would intermingle with the natural telluric currents that move throughout the Earth's crust and oceans. At the same time, towers like the one at Wardenclyffe would fling columns of raw energy skyward into the electricity-friendly ionosphere fifty miles up. To tap into this energy conduit, customers' homes would be equipped with a buried ground connection and a relatively small spherical antenna on the roof, thereby creating a low-resistance path to close the giant Earth-ionosphere circuit.

0_0 we should build another one!
If it sucks less than firefox, when the linux version comes out. Im to lazy to reboot to windows to try it out right now, and i usually switch a few weeks after something new comes out.
There's a conference and party this weekend.

Also, blackjack and hookers.

There are 10500 subscriptions to django-users.

Betamax?
No, it wasn't what he was saying. The Economist took an implementation detail to mean something entirely different.
Attention is zero-sum.
Right, I felt that the way they laid it out in this post was worth the read. It really shows their thought process which is nice.
You're going to need to ask more specific questions. This is science. The closer to the rock face you get, the more criticism flies about.

The three guys I named have various disagreements on one thing or another, so it wouldn't surprise me to find that each has his partisans. Also note that science writing for the public is a completely different art than science, itself. Gould may well be taken more seriously as a practicing scientist, but that shouldn't necessarily matter to me as a reader of his popuLar works. Isaac Asimov was a great science writer, but his scientific career was brief and undistinguished.
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Hey,

I've found out that I can devote two weeks to develop some nice "startup" idea (either mine -- I have some -- or yours, doesn't matter) -- most probably "anytime soon". I am currently in West Lafayette, IN but willing to move for these two weeks somewhere else -- SF Bay Area would be nice. Have a bit of cash -- not much though.

A couple of words about me: 26 yo, male, experienced Ruby/Lisp/.. developer, always willing to research, innovate and make fun, have some incorporation procedure experience, willing to make this world better :)

If you're interested, feel free to email me to yrashk@gmail.com. I am able to share some ideas I have -- expecting you to be open too.

I'd rather do this thing as soon as possible.

http://rashkovskii.com
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How about WWII?

Mozilla coming from the remnants of Netscape was like the transition from the decimated Weimar Republic to Third Reich, starting over.

Microsoft of course would represent USSR, and just to force the analogy, because their PR in retrospect seems to be terrible (this western education of mine re:USSR & considering that bashing MS is the standard online really).

And I guess that leaves Google with America, only entering into the (browser) war half way through.

Not implying anything about the future of course, just forcing an analogy.

(And sure, let's stretch it and have Safari as Britain, because it's an island, independent of the bigger land masses).
No real choice but Firefox as my main browser since my main web activity is development. Chrome, Safari, IE all can't compete with Firebug, YSlow, etc for web development, so for expediency I have to develop in Firefox first and test in the others afterwards. I think that's a big part of what makes Firefox such a compelling browser, it's developer heaven compared to the others.

It looks like Opera is starting to recognize this too, which should help increase support for their browser eventually too.
I don't really need the addons I use in Firefox except the developer tools, but I use FreeBSD and Linux so Chrome isn't available, unfortunately.
yeah until they get ad block I'm not switching, that is the killer feature for me and a lot of people.
In Cocoa you use Interface Builder to "draw" the UI. Does Cappuccino have its own IB equivalent?

BTW, do desktop GUI apps have non-programmer designers?
("This person" is me, BTW...)
What I don't like about the policy is how it changes the risk equation for developers. How do you see if Apple will "get" your app without spending the full $$ on developing it?

Will developers go into any real risk in developing for the iPhone, or will they just abort the attempt?
That's because a GWT app is not a web page. It's an application. In order to create a GUI for it you will need to be able to work with components and events, the same way you construct a desktop application, which was always the domain of programmers.

I assume Cappucino is targeting the same type of next generation web applications.
How about you guys use a made-up word like "awdha" and agree upon a definition for it instead of using the loaded word "commodity".
I don't know much about their product, but if I were an investor I'd have a hard time not wanting to fund hackers like that.

If I'm ever an angel, I'll probably have a "write a framework? here's your check" policy.
On the other hand, maybe you're right. TechCrunch is seeing its readers pulling market share from IE:

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/09/04/google-analytics-now-tr...

Nearly all the market share was taken from IE. Firefox actually gained almost 2% share in the last two days, and Safari was up more than 1%. IE, though, dropped from 30.77% to 23.92%.
I believe the GP was not talking about shared memory spaces but shared memory buses. It would not be trivial to have 50 processors sharing a single pool of physical memory even if the processes don´t share any physical memory addresses. Making all of them agree on the contents of a shared memory space is quite a nightmare.
We should convert our society from the current system of easily transferable electronic money to one based on large heavy cinder blocks as currency. No longer will a spammer be able to access your bank account electronically and siphon off your funds. You will have a large cave or other storage area where you accumulate your cinder blocks.

It could work!
See "Burkina Faso"
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Burkina_Faso
Currency: Giant Stone Wheels, Bananas

I bet they didn't have any email spam.
I'm kind of using both right now. I like Chrome, I might gradually migrate to it... it reminds me of Opera's sleekness.

The biggest irritations so far are the lack of "View Selection Source", and of course, no Firebug (though the built-in element inspector in Chrome is very impressive, but I haven't played enough with it to be convinced it can do everything Firebug can).
Niagara... cough... Larrabee... cough...

If you really think Larrabee is only a GPU, think again. Each core is a full 64-bit x86 that can quite happily run anything that´s running on my Core 2 Duo.
This article talks to Windows, I think one of the biggest exposures for Microsoft is Office.

It's a significant part of their revenue (a real cash cow) and is the gateway into the corporate environment.

Now they have two problems:
1. Competitors (often free) are producing products that are competing - and even more importantly, are compatible (enough) with the Microsoft formats.

and

2. They are running out of ways to innovate in the Office format. The ribbon in the latest versions is interesting, some of the integration is better... PowerPoint was significantly better... But really... How much more can they innovate in the Office Suite format?

Word XP might offer more, but in my experience it's a very moderate increment over something like Word 2000 (and arguably Word 2.0 for many users). And it shows - I see many organisations who have no intent to upgrade.

They need to innovate their key planks (Windows, Office) considerably or eventually they'll either obsolete or commoditised out of the market. How their current strategy reflects that, I don't know.
I really think that there should be a way to shut down "smart" content that´s invisible as not to steal CPU cycles from other tasks. I don´t think Flash content is that much important you need to run it all the time.
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=280879
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I highly recommend Gubbio in Umbria (Italy).

Gubbio was very important between 1000-1300 when it was independent. After that its decline started, and that's probably what kept the town small and contained.
I still remember walking inside Gubbio and how it felt so... medieval and different from other Italian towns. I grew up in a small Italian medieval town but Gubbio is quite unique.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gubbio
++adblock - I'm using it for feed-reading and that's about it until adblock arrives, which might take a while given google's main revenue stream :(
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Flash animations come to mind.

As well as a background Pandora tab.
I think the most insightful part of this article is the conclusion:

'Ingeniously, Chrome itself need not take a lot of market share to fulfil Google’s objectives. Google does not expect to sell or otherwise turn Chrome directly into money. Like Firefox’s, Chrome’s source code is free for anybody to change and improve, and even for rival browser-makers to incorporate. That could even include Microsoft. As Mr Brin says, “we would consider it a success” if the next version of IE were “built on Chrome, or even if it were just a lot better as a result of Chrome.”'
I have used Opera for years because of its speed compared to Firefox.

However, every Opera 9.5X release has had at least one major, show-stopping problem for me. I'm pretty sick of it, so as soon as Chrome gets AdBlock, I'll seriously consider switching.
PPC GNU/Linux please.
Is my head in the cloud, or would this work great with Chrome's 'Create Application Shortcut', or Mozilla Prism? :)
Helps in a few ways:

1. Fewer synchronization points. You now have a two-level hierarchy (threads & procs) vs just 1 (just b/w threads). You can reduce the scope of the hardest-hitting syncs (e.g. malloc) to contend within a smaller arena.

Anyone well-versed in Win32 know if there are any GDI-related advantages to different processes? Synchronizing graphics context accesses is another PITA, which may be avoidable here.

2. Resiliency: a single bad plugin or V8 bug need not take down the entire browser. Just a self-closing tab.

3. Security. (not in this version of the browser) The supervisor proc may be able to set per-process access controls (e.g. RBAC) to keep the tabs in check. E.g. keeping activeX in control, while allowing the in-house controls to function with as much access as they need.

A lot of OS functionality is process based, and using them allows for a lot of open space for new possibilities.
I'm sorry I didn't understand what "closer to the rock face" means.

As far as I know, Dawkins' books give his version of evolution, that is somewhat non-standard and not yet proven. Gould used to write about evolution more as it was widely accepted by scientists on his time. I know they both have disagreements, but as far as I know Dawkins is faster in writing about not very accepted subjects as widely accepted science.
Once they include a way to password protect stored logins, I'll probably use it more heavily.
That's hardly fair. Give Google a chance to alienate developers as well! :-)
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Chrome is a good app. I played around with it yesterday. Sad that they are doing it "open source". They should license it, then they could get the revenue they need to be a serious competitor to IE. As it is, nor matter how good technically Chrome is, it will be a curiousity. Without revenue from licensing you can't play with the big boys. "Open source"/free software sounds good in a college sociology paper, but sucks as a business model. It's like flying a 4-engine aeroplane with two engines off. It's stupid. But on the technical side, it is good, and so I'll probably use it. I just feel bad for google's shareholders. They could really be doing a lot better off.
I use Mac at work and Linux at home, so I'm SOL for the time being. Chrome looks nice, though, and I'll probably end up switching when they port to the platforms I use.
The main problem I have with Opera is that my first user experience was one of abject confusion ;)

The UI is really cluttered in terms of all the different bars and buttons that I didn't quite know what to do with.

Chrome just feels nice. There are some tabs, theres an address bar, and there is a back/forward and reload. I think there are other features too, I just don't see them ;)
I'd be shocked if the terms and conditions for using the App Store didn't already contain something like: "We reserve the right to pull your app for any reason including (but not limited to) Steve waking up in a bad mood."

I'm sure Apple's decision was inspired by "I am Rich" -- but for publicity reasons, not legal ones.
SCons fans should also check out Waf: http://code.google.com/p/waf/
"The IE userbase won't move, because it's comprised of those who for various reasons are loyal to Microsoft, and those who are ignorant about browsers in general."

Google has a popular website with which to inform people of Chrome when they choose to do so, and their brand is stronger than Firefox and Mozilla, so those who stick with IE due to brand loyalty are more likely to switch to Chrome than Firefox. Outside of corporate installations, Chrome has the potential to convert many IE users.
need a mac version first. then i'll see.
It'll be interesting to see whether or not Google would allow ad-blocking on its own browser.

Talk about killing the golden goose.

Then again, they may decide the number of people who knew about and actually use ad block plugins is relatively small, so they may allow them.