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Great content. Long, but very helpful. Anyway, just thought I'd let you know I've referenced your article in a post on my blog -
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I hope it works out for you, I mailed you a couple of domain ideas for names which might have some value to you and are currently unregistered.

In particular there was one I quite liked that was 6 letters long, so hope you like it too :)

(I actually might end up grabbing that 6 letter one if you don't end up using it, it's kind of growing on me.)
So can Firefox.
Not when the context of the mistake comes pretty close to the actual meaning of begging the question:

IE 8 is fat. Period. All of which begs the question: What were these people thinking?

Then it's just amusing.

(Rephrased: Since web browsers should not require large amounts of memory, IE8 fails because it requires large amounts of memory.)
Its scrolling, both for page-up/down, scroll-wheels and touchpads seems to be set about 3-4x more sensitive than in other browsers or applications in general.

This gives it a nice illusion of speed, but it gets annoying pretty fast once you realize you want to scroll with any kind of precision without needing to have a lifetime of training in FPSes.
Why so sure it's not going away?
I found a blog entry with some SunSpider runs:
http://web-graphics.com/2008/09/02/scripting-engines-just-go...

Unfortunately a TraceMonkey bug prevents direct comparisons.
I think this is one of those worrying-about-buggy-whip-manufacturer type problems.

Sometimes new things make old things obsolete. Sometimes the old thing is given a new use. Oh no.
In my opinion the bookmark implementation is the BEST yet. You essentially can have multiple bookmark menus for different topics, as any folder you drag onto your bookmark bar becomes a pulldown menu.
One of the best things about this is that this benchmark is for "real work" and not "our for loops loop 20% faster!!!"

I think this really drives home the point that this opens up new things for Javascript as a language outside of just DOM manipulation.
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Why? This is a site for hackers--here's some great code, it builds somewhat for OS X, and the kind of people that read this site are exactly the kind of people who are knowledgeable enough to work with the code and port it over. Whatever happened to the spirit of open source? It's like it became cool to say that every increasingly popular social new site is Digg/Reddit-like.
so this basically tags all values with a unit. it then has a library of unit/unit=unit/unit tables and slots the correct value to the correct spot for you. would make a decent stand alone app.
I was disappointed that it doesn't seem to offer support for user scripting a la greasemonkey. It seems like add-ons might be intentionally discouraged:

'The problem with revamping existing browsers to accommodate this concept is that they have developed an ecology of add-on extensions (toolbars, RSS readers, etc.) that would be hopelessly disrupted by a radical upgrade. "As a Firefox developer, you love to innovate, but you're always worried that it means in the next version all the extensions will be broken," Fisher says.'

--- http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-10/mf_chrome
So I take it everyone here supports the view that single mothers are shameful. Wow.
My dad could use this browser without calling me every few days for tech support.
What promising, legitimate startups have been tripped up because of trademark issues with their domain name? I wouldn't think that this concern is a priority...
you know that won't happen when Google's primary source of revenue is advertising lol
None of the issues you mentioned happened to me.
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you define it thus and therefore it is written in stone? just because the traditional monogamous relationship is the most popular because it is what works well for most people doesn't mean it gets status as the only true relationship.

I see the typical relationship falling into the same trap that so many other social values have.

generation 1 does it because it works.

generation 2 assumes it to be true

generation 3 actively persecutes those who do not conform.

the reason is the same, it's a mental shortcut. why go through the painful process of coming up with your own rules for a relationship when there are already time-honored, socially-acceptable normal rules out there for you to follow? because we are not other people.
Chrome's v8 compiles JavaScript into machine code
Can't pull a tab out of firefox to start a new window, though. That's something I tried to do a few times because it seemed like something you should be able to do.
So can Safari.
When does Google Chrome talk to Google.com?
V8 makes me truly happy. This means very great things for web developers.
Is it just me, or does spawning a new process per tab - which makes perfect sense when the tab contains an actual web-app - seem like overkill if it's only to read a document?

That said, if Chrome provided some equivalent of Live Bookmarks, I'd reconcile myself to the profligate process spwaning.
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Sounds similar to the gmail TOS - whereby they generate ads based on the contents of your email.

Seems like they will add adwords content to the browser shell at some point, if they are so inclined.
pg congratulates pseudonym nickb [http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=152388]? I wonder what the number of upvotes for this means...

Nevertheless, 20k certainly represents a valuable contribution.
i dont see the link with rescuetime
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No, you can take from your downmodding that this isn't reddit, and you'll need to make stronger arguments than that to be taken seriously.
open relationships are shunned because they do not usually work and they do not work in part because they are shunned. viscous cycle. :)

I believe that they tend to work more in gay communities because both people are coming from the same place whereas in the heterosexual community each person has very different social norms when it comes to sex. I'm a male in an open relationship with a female and it can be trying at times because I know that as an attractive female my partner can have casual sex anytime she wants. OTOH, she can be socially judged for being promiscuous whereas I can be congratulated and envied.
This has now been fixed. Thanks, Googlers.
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Actually caused IE7 to crash. I am hesitant about this kind of test because for Chrome it was like 1700, Win Safari 169, and Firefox 138. Anything that claims a 100x performance gain is hopeful, but subject to doubt.
It's amusing that the arguments in the original article are not strong, and are based on bias and anecdote. Also, the reply comments here are extremely reddit-like.
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if this is what is in question, put the CSS inline instead of linking it in order to help debug. if things work peachy when doing this, then your problem lies in the importing of the css file. css first, before the js.

if things are still broken, its your code.
I tried offering prizes, paying $50 to a name-choosing service, asking everyone I could, spending many hours myself. All results sucked.

For my latest startup I spent just a few minutes on it will resist all urges spend more. I'm not allowing myself to get pulled into that time-sink black hole again.

Want it to be easy? Simple. Have $2000 to $10000 to blow on some squatter scum. Or just choose an uncommon topic area. Probably both are unreasonable for most of us.
I had a .co.uk domain (sanfransys.co.uk) for 2 years, but when I failed to renew it, they said it'd cost 80 pounds (sterling) to get it back. And this wasn't a squatter, it was Nominet!

I said screw them and bought the same .com domain (sanfransys.com) and have it for 5 years, for less than their little scam.
It does take some time, and it depends on your screen. Some TFTs have terrible colour resolution depending on gamma setting. (nowhere near 16M distinct colours) Lower-end CRTs will make it difficult too.
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I could be wrong, but as a Brit (ish) it seems America is a lot less forgiving of men on the whole. In the UK, TV adverts have Homer Simpson-like figures who are funny, but in a forgiving way.

I see feminism's flaw as being that women have wombs and can reproduce, but men can't. Fix that by letting single men adopt.

The other flaw is that feminism is an offshoot of Marxism.
It shouldn't do that; AFAIK it's using PLT Scheme's numeric stack.
Seeing that cross-platform support really is in progress (albeit incomplete) and not just a hypothetical goal reassures me that Google is truly serious about seeing Chrome become a sustainable open-source project.

My initial fear upon hearing the release announcement was that this was intended exclusively as a salvo against IE8 on Windows, and that Google just wanted to further needle Microsoft. If they're willing to invest engineering resources in support for less-dominant platforms, it suggests very strongly that they really do want to drive the state of the art for browser implementations forward across the board.
Actually, this is a rather hackish post.
I love it. Can't wait to get it on my Ubuntu partition.
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I'd bet V8 is a definite improvement over Tracemonkey. It really feels like V8 already improves the DOM manipulation/property getters/setters for DOM. Mozilla doesn't plan to do that until past 3.1!

(Just find a site that has a lot of complex windows. Fastest link I could find: http://extjs.com/deploy/dev/examples/desktop/desktop.html )
I see men around me being as macho as ever and the popularity of mixed-martial arts, wrestling, NASCAR and the use of the word "gay" to deride stuff. My anecdotes cancel her anecdotes!
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Extensions on firefox are broken anyways. Look how difficult it is to find and add an extension. I'm thinking less than 5% of firefox users actually use extensions, but I may be wrong there.

If google makes extensions work better, the have a real winner. And firefox will die quickly.
Its open source.
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I guess that's what I get for assuming --exclude works the same between grep and diff...
Notice Chrome is slower in the first test because of the AJAX declarations. But honestly, who is going to be worried about the speed of AJAX declarations? Look at this comparison:

Chrome:
Array object
131
Date object
30
Error handling
7
Math object
13
RegEx object
52
String object
41
DOM
51
Ajax declarations
295
Total Duration
620

Opera:
Array object	172
Date object	47
Error handling	31
Math object	47
RegEx object	109
String object	63
DOM	31
Ajax declarations	62
Total Duration	562

If we assume Google can get AJAX declaration down to 62ms just like Opera (which seems perfectly reasonable, I don't imagine they had those in mind when considering speed), ten that would bring Chrome's execution time down to:

387ms!!

Assuming it can get a few more milliseconds down (it is after all only in beta stage, now that it's been open-sourced I can imagine a good couple of improvements will stream in), that means it's 1.5x faster than Opera! (which is hailed as the absolute king of Javascript execution)

Also, Opera does some kind of caching thing I think. On some of the tests (like Array and DOM), Opera consistently scored eiter X or 2X (e.g., 90, or 180). There is no way there could be a 2x speed difference just out of thin air like that, so I imagine it's some trick that notices when it can be sped up. If Chrome did that it could have the speed gain as well.
> Not only is it fatter than IE 7, it's also more resource-intensive

I've also noticed that programs tend to become more resource intensive over the years. Could it be that they also do more things, as permitted by advances in hardware? Surely that's a terrible thing!
Put yourself in their shoes and attempt to come up with one good reason why they wouldn't want to keep making a browser. They rarely get out of markets they're already in, and I don't think they're just going to forfeit a dominant market position just because the competition is better (see Windows).
Some small pieces...

1. The plugin interface to adobe doesn't seem like it's quite there just yet. I had some significant slowdowns with trying to get to other tabs and with responsiveness.

2. There were a few cases where new tabs didn't seem to load in the background... has anyone else encoutnered this?
I have horrible.me, which I think is an awesome name for a startup. It has an ironic appeal, if you make something awesome and name it "horrible". On the other hand, if you make something horrible and name it horrible, you will be mocked.
for me it's fast loading lean webpages (like google results pages,) but on most pages i can't tell the difference between it and FF3

on a Blogger operation (hitting the preview button with a lot of HTML in the editbox, which performs some processing on it) FF3 is faster. i don't know what the difference is due to -- guessing string or DOM operations

no noticeable differences with Gmail
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If I just waited for the "ideal" partner, then it would just take forever

As an aside you can compute your best choice for a partner (or many other similar choices.. apartments, puppies, etc).

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People have already pointed out the former. I agree.

There are also some very astute comments on this article, which is hacker news all the way.
Sorry I read this as a very "oh no there are services I like that are being supplanted by Google ahhh!"

Simply, there are lots of things I would consider relatively obvious shoe-ins for inclusion in browsers. Searchable web archives seem one of those (its easy to say "I remember seeing a site about it", but sometimes hard to remember exact details) and the obvious response is that some services will die off if they fail to provide compelling new functionality, and some will live on.

In the same way, Google or Yahoo search results are way different from what they used to be. I remember people worrying about technorati as search engines began getting better at returning blogs as search results when in the end I think its good that I don't have a different search engine for each source of information. This progression is natural and healthy, and worrying about one product over another is rather needless.

Love products for the functionality or the possibilities they allow, not the logo on them. If something better comes along then by all means switch instead of worrying about the health of the old thing.
IE as an application is definitely here to stay, but I wouldn't consider it too off the wall for them to switch to one of the OSS HTML / JS engines. I don't expect it, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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Are you sure they didn't? How many Google browser stories have you seen in the past 2 years, and dismissed out of hand?
I think your post is an example of why social science isn't. You've strung together a few opinions with no backing evidence.

1: 'player/whore dynamic' I think that is a bit of a generalization. And I think the follow up statement is pretty weak: 'Empirically, the vast majority of people who participate in casual sex have low self-esteem'. Even on the minor chance this was true, you haven't shown that the lower self esteem isn't from something other than their sexual relationships (eg parental figure).

Where is your proof for 2)? What if both partners have engaged in casual sex?

Point 3: I find it hard to agree that 'The medium of exchange is social status' wrt casual sex. Aren't you assuming one or more of the parties is 'kissing and telling'? The medium of exchange is pleasure.

Point 4: When were societies pre-monagamous? Is it reasonable to think that 1 in 3 men would die at the hands of a male due to sleeping around (and it would be neat to see a reference for this surprising stat)?

I'd be totally surprised to learn that 'pre-monogamous subculture' leads to violence and rape. And speculating on the reason that fights break out at night clubs is pretty faulty supporting evidence.
Single men can adopt. One of my son's best friends is the adopted son of a single man.
I imagine that the developers probably have had that Javascript speed test sitting around for awhile, so by nature they would attempt to improve their performance in those tests.

Besides which, I feel the amount of effort put into improving Javascript execution speed has been quite little thus far, and so a team quietly plugging away trying to create the fastest implementation could conceivably do far better.

All that being said, I'm seeing numbers around 200 on my machine, and really not that much faster in other browsers.
How does it compare to webkit? I'd find out for myself, but chrome isn't out yet for any OS that I use.
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I doubt that Google began building this to compete with IE8 when it was announced given how slowly they build stuff ;)

I bet its more a happy confluence of events that so much browser news has been happening of late. I think most browser "creators" kind of had roughly the same ideas year(s?) back and decided to move in the same direction since everyone is using the same web and facing largely the same problems.
You should never follow advice blindly. The reasons he gives for the alphabet thing don't seem to apply to something like truemors. In general, the advice seems very reasonable.
Do you really think that "wimmin's lib" emasculates men? In what way are your options in life more limited as a result of gender equality? How is it that equal opportunity makes you less of a man?
Running in an XP Guest on OS X 10.4 with VirualBox on a 1.83 GHz Core Duo MacBook gives 283.00ms (Total).

On the same system, running in Safari 3.1 in OS X gives 2749.00ms (Total).
Its kind of interesting to hear about how long-running the talks about Chrome have been. I think its easy to take a micro-scale view of browser development and see the weekly press releases that come one after another and declare that this feature is an answer to that feature and ignore the long development ramp-up time that each improvement required.
Any idea why it installs itself in "C:\Documents and Settings\User Account Name\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe"?
Yeah, I know. Confirmation bias isn't a bad thing if you're aware of your own thought processes. You can see arguments for both sides if you're paying attention.

All I'm saying is that just because you've made a conclusion a priori doesn't mean it's a bad idea to write about it. That's how argument and discussion works. It's only a bad thing when you've proven yourself wrong and you refuse to admit it.
I really liked it until I got blue screen of death. And of all sites it was one of the official Google blogs.

I couldn't reproduce the crash, but now, there is this lingering feeling ...
I think I've seen this in Thunderbirds. Thought it was good then. Still do!
* Very clean.

* Speed I didn't notice any difference yet.

* I miss the Firefox upper right corner search bar.

* Not crashing the whole browser when one tab crashes is obviously very good(why hasn't this been solved before? has been a problem for so long and a very obvious one too)
Yes I am also a non-native english speaker but I prefer english on my software or at least the choice.
It'll be interesting to see how plug-ins play out. Google probably does not need to provide the most feature filled browser as a core offering. Providing a simple and highly robust browser is probably more ideal. Do less but be indispensable at what you do.

I see this as a move that forces standards. Google is putting its big shoulder behind increased performance and consistency on the internet. If other people want to wrap the core offering in fancier clothes, I think Google still wins.
Gears and WebKit were designed to be reusable, other features such as the process model would be much harder to integrate into Firefox.

I'd be interested to see Firefox embedded in a "wrapper" VM, but I think you'll find it harder to implement than you expect. Please post to HN if you give it a shot.
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This is from one of the devs in an "off-the-record" QA session here: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=17826898#itemanchor_1782...
except our roads aren't made of dirt.
They were at some point, and are in a lot of developing countries.
Note here that you're defining feminism here differently than classical feminists do (i.e. "what's good for women" rather than "liberation for women") and you're drawing conclusions based on a social context which is presumably your own, but certainly not universal.
"... What promising, legitimate startups have been tripped up because of trademark issues with their domain name? ..."

Apple?
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I think this article is somewhat self-selecting. For any guy who agrees with it - then maybe it is true. For guys who think it's a load of crap - then it probably is.
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I think the main reason by Google with Chrome is to take Adblock Plus out of the equation. If they control the browser, they can disable the ability to turn off ads.

But who knows, maybe they'll the people have that feature
Chrome is using version 525.13 of WebKit, which was just before version 3.1 of Safari, around March.

Right now Safari is on 3.1.2, and WebKit is on version 528.2.
Running SunSpider, Chrome is faster in Parallels than native Safari, but native WebKit is faster than both.
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