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This is no where close to paypal mafia. Other than friendfeed most didnt cut it yet.
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Showing that P=NP.
If you think of this system as a game and in this instance a number of users have figured out a way to act within the rules of the game to achieve an outcome inconsistent with IMDB's intended one, then IMDB can simply change the rules to get what they think is best!

It wouldn't be too difficult to observe the behavior of the offending members (vote for TDK, within x hours vote down Godfather...) and simply setup criteria to disallow these actions. You could also set up an algorithm to detect screwy behavior to alert a developer or block that action for a duration.

And hey, we throw error messages for repeated button clicks and such so that click-happy users or spam bots don't take down the system...can't that kind of precaution be extended if necessary? "We know you're in love with TDK, but do you really hate The Godfather...come back in a month if you still do!"
" it's also the reason why Firefox gained so much ground against Internet Explorer. It wasn't that smarter people work on Firefox--it's that more people worked on only the things they cared about, solving problems for themselves. The best ideas floated to the top and became part of the codebase"

This is very misleading. Most of firefox's development happened when Internet Explorer wasn't undergoing active development at all. That's the real reason they were able to pass Internet Explorer so quickly.
I object to the idea that they project an image of being open at all. They don't. They project an image of guarded secrecy. There's no irony in them not being open, it's just them doing what they've always done.
Selling things to .edu institutions is a royal pain in the neck. Couldn't tell if this is non-profit pie-in-the-sky idea or for-profit venture, but if it is the latter, best of luck :)
Folders in a file system, accessed from a terminal, do it for me. And find/grep traverse them when I need to.
Dude, don't take the flamebait. The person your replying to is just trying to make you mad. Don't waste your time acknowledging his existence, it just makes him want to troll more.
AFter the first weekend, Dark Knight had 9.7 average with almost a hundred thousand votes. That's just crazy.
200 years from now noone will remember anything you'll ever accomplish. Look back to 1808, do you honestly remember any major inventions from back then?

I don't remember the exact quote, but it goes something along the lines of "If you want to be remembered 100 years from now, you need to kill a lot of people"
I don't understand the argument. It's google's search engine, if they want to rank certain things higher, why not?

If people don't like the result content, they'll go to the competition!
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You can on OS X Leopard, I think. It automatically unzips files once you download them. No clue if it does recursives and I really don't want to find out.
Thanks pg!!
YC is a cult
I don't understand the argument. It's Microsoft's operating system, if they want to pre-install certain apps, why not?

Google's heading in the same direction as MS. They'll probably end up in the same court room in Washington DC few years from now.
I did a library that works the opposite way: given a key event, what's the string that (Js-)hotkeys needs to bind an event handler to that event? Wrote it for GameClay, where we needed an easy way for users to specify keybindings in games, but it may be useful if you want eg. user-configurable hotkeys.

It's sorta half-open-sourced: up on GitHub (http://github.com/nostrademons/keycode.js/tree/master), but I haven't gotten around to writing up real documentation, working out the kinks, or doing a formal release yet.
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I went to post cuil's comment policy on Edward Tufte's bulletin board thread "Not spying on users should be a feature: The keep-it-and-lose-it hypothesis". Searching ET's site in situ is painful, but Google is pretty good at finding Ask ET threads, so I thought I'd try cuil. Cuil didn't find the thread at all with "Edward Tufte Not spying feature", which has got to be unique.

Also, didn't the google blog recently mention they had passed the trillion mark?
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I remember seeing a similar post to this some time ago but I am not able to find it. Sorry for the repeated posting.

I have an iframe that sources an upload page (for images). Basically, when a user uploads an image, the script returns the location of the image if the upload was successful. Is there a way to obtain this image src outside the iframe (which house the upload page) on the main page?

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If they don't get the issue of Knol pagerank sorted out soon, they are going to be hit with a massive anti trust lawsuit. And they are going to lose.

I'm curious as to why everyone is so surprised that this is happening though. It already worked like this with blogs hosted through Blogspot and websites hosted through Google Pages.
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The problem is that it's anti-competitive. If Google owns the search business (and they do, more or less), they can drive other companies out of business by tweaking their listings - even companies that have nothing to do with search. What if your local phone company was owned by Verizon, and they "accidentally" misprinted phone numbers of Sprint customers? Or if the supplier of 70% of the world's cars made it harder for its competition's cars to get filled up with gas? Everyone loses except the monopoly.

You're right that ultimately, you could get a different phone book (or different search engine). But there isn't really a great search alternative right now. Hopefully that will change soon.
Living in Japan 4+ years now, I just have to say ignore recruiters unless you have a financial background. All the interesting stuff is under the radar and small companies here are desperate for creative people.

All the action is in Tokyo, Kyoto, and Nagoya.

Wherever in the world that you think of moving to, by all means, take a 2-3 week vacation there first. There is no way to know you will be happy on the ground without being there for a while to experience it.
This is so stupid. Pagerank is based on links, Knol has a lot of links, therefore it has good pagerank. Why is that evil?

Update: At the moment this comment is moderated -2, and the factually incorrect reply is +4. Nice.
Garbage collection, threads, stack orientation, and object management take about a megabyte worth of Java virtual machine to translate into something that even today's fastest microprocessors struggle to execute.

"Struggle to execute"? Is that why JVM languages are some of the fastest languages out there? 1996 called, it wants its FUD about the JVM back.

Edit: Nevermind. The article is from 2003. (2003 called. It wants its article back.)
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What is there for me to deny?
Really? I don't know about 1808 exactly, but history is full of accomplished individuals whose names we remember many years later. Galileo? Gutenberg? Edison? Ben Franklin? Marie Curie?
To avoid broad generalizations, I will just talk about countries I have personally visited, in the last 5 years. If you think the rest of the world is more fucked-up than the US, you are incorrect.

There are much safer and cleaner, less stressful places to live in the world. A few I have seen with my own eyes are Denmark and Japan. I am sure there are others.
You presented this at the SF JS meetup last month, right?
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> Compared to the big 68030, 29000, and 486DX chips of the day, the wee ARM6 consumed less total energy than the others gave off as heat

wtf? All energy 'consumed' by a processor is given off as heat. Such incorrect hyperbole makes me doubt the entire article.
In any case, if the principle stands that embodying an algorithm in a general-purpose computer does not meet the standard for a patentable device, so many bogus patents will be invalidated that it will be like Christmas. We can end this ridiculous cold war and get on with the work of creating great software without worrying about trolls and bullies.

We're not there yet but there's more hope now than I've felt in ages.
Problem is that Google's not artificially proppingp those blogs and they're not hosting ads by default and collecting revenue from them. Also, when you create a blog, you own the content.. not so with Knol.
But it takes inbound links from non-knol domains to give it page rank. The point is it shouldn't have been able to bootstrap it's page rank like this.
But that change is a blip in and of itself. Godfather has been bumped down before. Happened with Lord of the Rings. It climbs back up after the initial wave.
How many sites/pages have you seen that have received a rank of 5 in a day and appear on the first page of SERPs, often at the top spot? As for number of incoming links, I doubt Knol pages have many from non-Google properties... they've been out there for less than a week.
Nah. 9.7 was with only 3,000. 100,000 only hit a few days ago.
To be fair, those reviews were both fairly terrible. Fanboyism is never justified, in my opinion, but I agree with the respondants' sentiments.
I talked to Rabble after the talk and he did say the "beyond REST" was meant to be tongue in cheek because he Kellan believe XMPP should supplement a RESTful interface.

That said this content is great because it really solves a whole bunch of issues with a regular RESTful interface, mainly around the issue of the client/server model rather than server/server.

Both Kellan on Flickr and Seth/Blaine are going to be implementing this soon and I'm really excited to see what the concrete implications look like.
Hilarious. Blatant linkbait, but hilarious.

Clearly he does not know many actual participants. Working 18 hour days for two months is not the norm.
See, but it's all about opinion. Some people honestly like Dark Knight better, because it's far more gripping and easier to get into. And those people have every RIGHT to give Godfather a 1, if people that gave Godfather a 10 are giving The Dark Knight a 1 in return. The Godfather people started this days before the Dark Knight people came in.
Likely the former, heh.
If people don't like the result content, they'll go to the competition!

Ya we can surely go to the competition, but wait there is no competition now. Yahoo has outsourced its search ads to Google, that means they are not very serious about their search and Microsoft is still trying very hard but they can't compete with "Resistance is Futile Google". Early search engines like Wikia, Powerset and Cuil get slammed by "wisom of the crowd" users for unable to match Google results. Show me the competition, i would love to go there.
But the Godfather people did it first. Look at the spread of points on The Dark Knight. Look at the 1s. Those came first.
PageRank is computed based on the links in the page graph, not domains. Knol was all over the news, so it has links from a variety of other high-pr sites.

It also ranks high in Yahoo search -- do you believe that they are in on the conspiracy too?
Yeah. I'm not a participant, but I'll be applying in the future, and from the descriptions I've heard from people that's really not what the program is all about.
Well isn't that the point of Yahoo BOSS? To enable people to make their own vertical web search engines?
He got at least one thing wrong: YC folks don't work hard to make money. Many of them work really hard, but I don't think it's to make money.
Will you be applying for the next batch?

Come on in and drink the Kool-Aid. Or, more accurately, the Goya.
Whoa. I didn't know HN let you link to comments.

I'm honored, though I don't feel right upvoting this.
This kind of talk reminds me of "The Disadvantages of
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Give the iframe an id, select by that id, and then access that variable's contentWindow.document field.
Thanks a ton. That's what I was going for: I wasn't certain about being able to write with experience about things, so I wanted to at least do something in a book that I hadn't seen done before.

You'll murder me when you get to Pong, though.
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Is it possible that Knol ranks high because its lives in the Google domain? And that no one touched the algorithm?

I can't imagine Google not understanding that this could happen. Hopefully, they'll speak up soon.
Fooled by Randomness or The Black Swan, if you're interested in probability/statistics as it applies to describing our knowledge of the real world.
But Hitler, Genghis Khan are always more famous than Edison or Galileo. Just like how G.W.Bush or Dick Cheney will be more famous than Sir.Tim Berners Lee for the future generation.
Awesome. I added it to my wishlist for when I get done reading the current stack of books :-D.
The problem is not the Dark Knight fans, so much as the algorithms being used to rank the movies. How can you take advantage of crowd wisdom if you don’t control for spoofing, spam and mob voting? It’s surprising that there wasn’t already in place a process for dealing with such a common phenomenon.
If you're really curious checkout Perlmonks.org. It's been around for a decade and has consistently maintained a community that more closely resembles this site than any other I've seen. Blind voting has been in use there for a very long time and has worked quite well. You're also alloted a limited number of points per day based on your karma (XP) level.
"MRC"--I love it. (Those are Mark Crispin's initials/hacker signature, the inventor of the (gag) IMAP protocol, the main email underpinning these days.)
Yahoo is sending contradictory messages, BOSS is very innovative and forward-thinking, but their Google deal pretty much indicates they've packed their bags. Powerset got their payday and is now part of Live. Live is still fighting hard, though they're not there yet. But if you think about it, Live can't really go down much in usage - the people that still use it have got to be pretty loyal! ;) So it can only go up. There is hope, and how ironic that it is from Microsoft.

Google right now is looking so much like Microsoft 10 years ago.
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Not to sound flippant, but wasn't this the idea behind the Beatles? Lennon and McCartney's balancing each other is what made the Beatles so great.
How about The Road Ahead - Bill Gates. I loved that book and saw a different personality to Bill Gates other than showed by Media and masses.
Yeah, but Steve Jobs and Bill Gates will be more famous than Bush or Cheney.
The same idea I'm working on this year. Something that makes it easy to do a task that's simple offline, hard online. (I'd say more but I'm a paranoid youth.)

Really, anything that does the generic idea presented above. Whenever you present a simple method of doing something, the whole system tips.
I'm a college student, so when I apply it will probably be for one of the summer rounds. While I'm fine with abandoning college for a bit to work on something if it picks up steam, I don't want to miss a semester actually beginning the project. Or does that not make sense with YC?

I already feel like a newbie, though. I haven't the faintest idea what Goya is.
First there was "All YC startups produce unoriginal second-rate stuff" (unfortunately, I don't have the link handy). Now there's this. It is impressive how YC-hate is evolving.
Does YC require its participants to practice polygamy? I checked the FAQ but this wasn't covered.
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Sometimes it's to make money.
If you love what you do and are good at it, programming is only somewhat more mentally exhausting than playing computer games all day (and I do relatively complicated stuff: algorithms and numerical math in C++ and ML - don't ask about details, I like my relative anonymity).

The "burnout" happens when there is no reward in sight, or worse: you work hard for many months, produce good results, then your PHB shits on them for political reasons (so you wouldn't get too stuck up), or is just too stupid to appreciate your work.

I'm not a web programmer, and I tend to be very skeptical of much of what PG writes (especially the last few years), but I think independent enterprise is the way to go for the more gifted and hard-working people.
I am surely going to be a part of this cult.
Linking to an error page will typically result in the same error no?
- People are put in physically or emotionally distressing situations;
- Their problems are reduced to one simple explanation, which is repeatedly emphasized;
- They receive unconditional love, acceptance, and attention from a charismatic; [sic]
- They get a new identity based on the group;
- They are subject to entrapment (isolation from friends, relatives, and the mainstream
culture) and their access to information is severely controlled.

To the extent that YC fits this definition, so does any intense and ambitious collaboration. Take the Manhattan Project, the Apollo missions, and some parts of the Human Genome Project -- they all fit criteria 1, 2, 4, and the first part of 5 to a much greater extent than YC ever does.

So it looks like we have a broken test function. (Though perhaps it's just missing a type-check -- maybe it's only supposed to be applied to religions.)
How many people remember Rockefeller and Carnegie off the top of their head? Actually bad example, it hasn't been 200 years since those guys.

How about Vanderbilt and Astor? I doubt you'll find many people who know who they are.

Wealth alone doesn't get you into history books, you may fund some expedition, but it'll be Louis & Clarke who'll get into the history books.
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That'd certainly put pages linked to from the front knol page up quite high. It does make me wonder what happens when a page changes its outlinks a lot, does pagerank get distributed along the last snapshot or does it amalgamate them. If this is whats driving the high page ranks they'll certainly drop off in time.

To preserve their reputation as an impartial index they should make those front page content links nofollow.
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Pretty sure it's for the money.
Linkbait, and not even original. People were calling pg a cult leader years ago.
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Also don't forget to source the image and the containing page at the same server, or alternately to set document.domain of each side to the common superdomain.
Money is what we use to buy bread, iphones and laptops. Hacking, we do for fun and enjoyment. But also to buy bread, iphones and laptops.

Well, its all good.
maybe there are applications for enhanced training within companies, or even to sell on the cheap to college students themselves that want a better group-study environment for when they can't meet up. you don't have to sell bulk licenses.
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What happens at the Yscraper stays at the Yscraper.
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I'm of the school of thought that puts educating people as a top concern

I like to think that the reason our industry has taken off so well is because the things we work with are available to kids to play with.

I notice that a lot of the big brains in CompSci follow your mentality, also - Woz and Alan Kay come to mind.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=buttermilk+pancakes

http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=buttermilk+pancakes...

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkwE.oo5IxRgBQGpXNyoA...

Ranking of the Knol on Buttermilk pancakes:

Google: #4

Yahoo: #34

Live: #55
I am opinionated, concerned about environmental issues ... surrounding software and data access.

We've got to stop dumping the used ones and zeros into the oceans! It's melting the ice caps!
That is nonsense. Summers was forced to step down because he picked fights (on hiring/firing/promotions, spending priorities, the balance of power between different parts of the university, etc.) with the majority of the faculty, and forced out some wonderful and very popular members of the community. He tried to run the university like a CEO would run a corporation, and learned that a faculty made up of many of the the top scholars in every field isn’t easily pushed around. The public gaffes were just the icing on the cake.

Also, in being “forced to step down”, he was given a University Professorship: not the roughest of deals, to be sure.
Yup. Alex presented it, but it was primarily written by another engineer, Serge.
Not wealth, but ideas. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are not just icons of wealth, but icons of revolution, in a way.

I don't think Warren Buffet will be remembered, which I find sad. But I believe Jobs will live on as a sort of legend of his own.
I did it for the cheese. The Boston batch gets some pretty good stuff.
And several years ago the same thing was said about Schools.
It's not just for the money, I agree. But the money is surely a part of it. Imagine if they gave you the same chance to "change the world", but said, we'll keep 90% of your equity.
It doesn't really make sense with startups in general. You can't tell much after the two months or so before you have to decide on going back to school. You're lucky to just launch something by then, let alone iterate, let usage define your future, seek funding, etc. I'd be more inclined to just finish school and then do it.

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Let me be the first to say "WTF is this guy rambling about?"

He doesn't seem to be talking about piracy... he seems to be talking about instant messaging. Mental breaks from the work we're doing. Not sitting and watching compiles scroll up the screen. Not sitting blank-faced and burned out.

So... theft? Huh? Maybe I need more caffeine, but you can color me confused.
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Google: #2
http://www.google.com/search?q=Pediatric+Sports+Injuries

Yahoo: #1
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGklD1pY5I0hcByd1XNyoA...

I didn't bother searching msn. I'm sure the results vary from query to query, as they do for all sites. The point is that many of these pages are ranking quite high on Yahoo as well. Either you can attribute that to Yahoo being in on Google's evil plan, or you can understand that these pages naturally rank quite high because they are linked to from the front page of a highly linked site that has been all over the news and blogs recently (Knol).

Unfortunately the truth is not as dramatic as these "Google is evil" stories, so people often prefer the later.
If you are wondering whether you should read this, keep in mind it's not about piracy. It is interesting and worth the read.

I felt weird reading this--I caught myself red-handed, surfing away because I didn't feel like going to bed. I was stealing from myself alright. I hadn't felt that weird since I saw a 3D rendering of a brain and realized I was looking at myself.