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Having grown up in the American system, I have to confess that this has always bothered me but I didn't realize that it was only American writing! I guess I never noticed it when I read well-edited british source material.

Now that I know doing it the 'logical' way is also considered conventional, I'm going to have a hard time doing it the American way anymore.
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I think the American style looks better in non-fixed-width fonts, because it looks much closer to the way actual handwriting should look: the comma or period underneath the quotation mark.

I suspect this is the reason people started doing it that way in the first place.

And I suspect people started doing it that way on both sides of the Atlantic. It's just that Britain ended up standardizing one way, America the other. (Possibly yet another instance of English language usage evolving more quickly in Britain than in America.)

I'd appreciate if anybody can confirm or deny this hypothesis. And I find it disappointing that the Slate article has no historical treatment of the issue.

(Honestly, both styles look weird to me in fixed-width fonts, which basically arose in tandem with the modern computer.)
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A comma or period that follows a closing quotation mark appears to hang off by itself and creates a gap in the line (since the space over the mark combines with the following word space)." I don't doubt Feal, but the appearance argument doesn't carry much heft today; more to the point is that we are simply accustomed to the style.
J'utilise la dernière version de Chrome sur un Mac Pro et je ne peux pas voir ce machin parce que ma carte graphique n'est pas supportée.

Je me demande combien de gens sont en mesure de voir et d'interagir avec cette démo. Et quel pourcentage des utilisateurs du net ils représentent. Le message envoyé aux autres ressemble à « tu es un perdant, tu ne fais pas partie du groupe, tu ne mérite pas de voir notre travail ».

Je trouve que c'est pire que ce qu'on voyait dans les années 90.

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Although the lack of decent Dojo documentation should put you off. Unfortunately I don't get to make that choice and mostly have to guess / Firebug my way to a solution. Also, Dojo excels at reproducing a desktop-type app which might not be what you're after.
Is there a recognised difference between:

The Rise of "Logical Punctuation".

and

He said, "I've been outside".

?

To me, "logical" punctuation in the first case would be as written, and in the second case would be:

He said, "I've been outside.".

indicating that both the enclosing and enclosed sentence is complete.
Why not? There is no right or wrong answer, just something to make get the creative and logica juice flowing. The answer can be anything from a joke to an elaborated equation.
And also an implementation of Lisp called Python: http://www.cons.org/cmucl/FAQ.html (q4).
The currency is stable, that is part of the problem.
Because their debt is nominated in euro and not in a currency they can inflate or devalue they'll have to actually pay back what they have spend.
I've taken a similar approach for a few sites. I'm terrible when given a blank page to start from so a theme provides a good base. If the theme isn't already coded using a CSS framework, I'll usually port the design to Blueprint CSS as it makes maintenance and hacking the theme much easier.
Oh no it doesn't, if anything it just makes that I have been confronted with and thought about the orthogonality between 'legal' and 'moral' more than 'average' (I hate to use this phrase because it makes it sound like I'm arguing from authority there - I'm not) and I am highly aware of the difference. The reason I didn't respond to the post above saying a similar thing is that it's very boring to discuss personal opinions and circumstances that lead to them; and if personal opinions of certain people are interesting, I'm not one of those people. Rest assured though that I do not conflate the two, nor derive one from the other.

The matter is that morality is based on a small set of axioms - personal sovereignty, strong property rights, and the moral binding power of contracts (not in the legal sense - in the sense that if two people agree to something, they are morally bound to following through on those commitments). Intellectual property is just as much property as physical property is; without going into too much detail here, it quite naturally follows from more traditional, physical property ideas like Locke's labor theory. To simplify (so disregarding subordinate issues like ownership of ownership of base products, work-for-hire etc), when a person puts his efforts into creating something, he owns it, regardless if that what he creates is physical or not. It's painfully obvious and intuitive; if not (to use a very crude argument), then why does CC with attribution even exist? Most everybody instinctively recognizes this concept, and no sophistic constructs about maximum social utility or information as an oppression mechanism (cough crazy man Stallman cough) can do away with that.

Anyway, I'm not saying intellectual property and 'regular' property rights should be treated the same under the law; there are valid technical and conceptual reasons to separate them. That's not the issue I contend; what I contend is the pervasive cognitive dissonance in the 'geek' community (of which, to be clear, I am part) that somehow they should have the right to download whatever they want because there is at the moment no effective way for creators to enforce their will on what happens to their creations.
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This release is a fudge, and a partial backwards step. The jQuery team seem uncertain about what the prop()/attr() change is trying to achieve (an uncertainty that probably stems from the uncertainty underlying the whole attr() method in the first place). The result is that the situation is even more confusing than ever, judging by the release notes: a list of properties for which you can only use prop() and then a recommendation that for everything else you should use attr(). Really?? Then what the hell was the point of this change? Having gone as far as acknowledging that properties are not attributes and supposedly separating how they are dealt with, they then continue to recommend using attr() even though properties are almost always what you actually want and there is now a dedicated prop() method for dealing with them? I'm now genuinely baffled as to what this change was supposed to achieve, and average jQuery users are going to be seriously confused by the messages coming from jQuery on this.
I regularly test my code that doesn't have 2.x-specific dependencies using tox+2to3, a great tool written by Holger Krekel that lets me test code in a wide variety of contexts.

Everything I run in production is 2.x.

Two specific comments to things said in the thread:

1) NewGIL is an improvement, but it really optimizes a situation you probably shouldn't have been in, given gevent/twisted/eventlet, or hell, even Tornado. If you're doing a bunch of _computation_ in threads, they are only affected in a very small way. If you're doing IO, it can have a very noticeable effect on some workloads. However, if you've followed any of my previous rants on why you should avoid threads as an IO primitive, you'll notice that performance and the GIL are but a footnote. I don't mean to downplay NewGIL, it's an interesting piece of software engineering. Just please don't see it as the panacea that magically fixed threads, because it isn't.

2) In the opening slide: "do this if completely new" translates to me as "don't do this". You're already using Python, which is a massive layer of abstraction in so many ways. Everyone using Python appreciates this as mostly a good thing, I would assume. So yes -- if no 2.x-only libraries exist that make your life easier and/or you're not willing to spend time porting them, go for it. I have just never found that to be true.
That only works with RSS feeds supplying full articles, rather than excerpts.
Thank you for your reply. I will have a play with it if I find some free time. It's not the memory leaks in _my_ code I'm so worried about, it's the ones in other people's code :-) e.g. Doctrine used to leak like a sieve and no amount of free()s and unset()s cleared the ORM objects up under some circumstances. Long-running Symfony tasks were a great way to illustrate that. It seems like a sensible approach to auto-restart the processes once memory_limit is exceeded.
The biggest one is better conversion on the landing page, users are more likely to install your application since they're "on Facebook" than if they get redirected to a third-party website.
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The dichtomy is false. Write good 2.x code and you will only miss a few very specific (like nonlocal) or recent features. You get the benefit of using all the existing 2.x libraries. Run 2to3 on your codebase and run your unit test suite, and see what happens. That way, once your dependencies are ported, you can be fairly sure that porting your library will be a walk in the park.
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I've been doing this for years despite knowing what it's "supposed" to be. I'm glad to finally not be in the minority.

And I had no idea it had a name or that it was common outside the US.
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During one minute of siege to the "hello world" example from my blog post, the memory usage of my PHP processes didn't change.

13958 bergie 20 0 125m 10m 2136 S 1 0.6 0:00.28 php
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Also according to the Internet, "you" is spelled "u". Everyone should adjust their internal dictionaries so that u don't become an establishment sellout.

Personally, it makes sense for "scare quotes" to not contain punctuation, as they are not complete sentences. But it doesn't make sense for direct quotes to not contain punctuation, as in `He said, "Hello there".' He didn't say "Hello there", he said "Hello there."

(It might seem logical to have two periods in that case, but it's ugly, so the second one can just be omitted for maximum conciseness. That's why the period goes inside the quotation marks. Similarly, it would be confusing and ugly to pretend to end a sentence in the middle of a sentence, so quotes that are not at the end of the sentence "end" with a comma. The period is a pretty strong message to pause, and you don't want to overuse it.

IMO.)
I'm glad to hear that, and I trust you. If it is this way I expect to find less spam engines or copied content in the next months when I search on google :)
I once worked with a computer programmer who did not "believe" that a one-way hash is theoretically possible. His reasoning was "if you transform something into something else with a computer program (a predetermined set of steps) it is also always possible, by reversing the steps, to get back to the original".

I dramatically adjusted down the amount of reasoning I thought the 'average' person is capable of over the months that I tried to explain / convince him. It's very well possible that I wasn't able to explain because I don't fundamentally understand myself; but even all the 'circumstantial' evidence couldn't convince him. And that was from a person who, statistically and objectively speaking, is at least above the median in intelligence and thinking power.
I've only seen it assume yyyy-dd-mm when the user's locale is set to "English (British)". In most instances I've come across this setting is just left at the default ("English", which implies "English (American)") even if everything else in the stack is localised for the UK, so the oddity isn't noticed. My build instructions now explicitly state that "English (British)" should not be used due to the way it affects how dates in strings are interpreted when the format NNNN-NN-NN is seen.
Punctuation is supposed to remove ambiguities, and help you read and understand more easily. In your example

He said, "I've been outside.".

the collection of punctuation marks does very little for making the sentence more understandable, and (IMHO) looks ugly. The name "logical punctuation" is just a name for the style, do not take the word "logical" too literally.
Just imagine a programming language where you have to write

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instead of

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"putting the entire computing power of the TLAs onto the problem seems like it could yield results."

No it doesn't, that's the whole point.
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And the same thing with Node:

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Do the colors provide any meaning? Like maybe red is 'hotter news' or something?
Odd.

From memory, the safest format to use is actually yyyymmdd (without the hyphens) though, which is apparently supposed to be interpreted unambiguously by SQL Server.
Eropple, selling thousands of frozen computers with IE6 sounds ok for you? it's clear that there is nothing to talk about.
how exactly was the premise of Dragonfly wrong? Do you have any reading material about the choices they made?

Im not asking to disagree, im just curious about the nature of their choices.
Honestly, if I would have to develop a revision control
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But then, suddenly, Fossil, which seems to be doing pretty okay. (Admittedly, it does a lot more than manage blobs.) http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki
I'm pretty sure the article is in agreement with you that when the punctuation is part of the quote, then it remains in the quotes. For example, he said "Hello, there."
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Unfortunately the multiprocessing module is a lot less efficient in many cases. Scala doesn't have to copy the entire collection across process boundaries or launch the runtime multiple times. (In this particular rather trivial example it doesn't matter much because an Int range is used). I'm afraid Python is losing out in the parallel world due to the GIL as more CPU cores become the norm.
I look forward to seeing updates to these feeds, though they aren't always daily.

PeteSearch: http://petewarden.typepad.com/searchbrowser/

SimoleonSense: http://www.simoleonsense.com/

O'Reilly Radar: http://radar.oreilly.com/

The various "planet" feeds (planet lisp, haskell) and "r bloggers" are always great sources of news too.
What's with the "Yawn"? Somebody had an idea of a different way to do things in BSD, they rallied developers together, and built it. So perhaps it wasn't all roses and puppies, but why the negative attitude towards what a bunch of developers decided to do for their own reasons?
There is a PDF book called "Scala by example". It is a hands on approach that I find very interesting, because you learn by trying out applied cases.
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What do you mean? This was a conversation I had with him.
I think the price difference may be accountable for in the specs. Most of today's netbooks come with spinning drives, and an SSD upgrade would cost $50-$100 more.
Every few days or so I have a look through the new submissions to http://longreads.com. It lists longer articles from other places on the web and is a welcome change to the short contentless articles I come accross everywhere else.
You can do that in Haskell because it compiles to fast code the CPU can understand. Like Scala, this means you can get away with the library, but unlike Scala, Haskell has a computation model which make library-based extensions feel as if they are part of the language.

Ocaml has had success in this area as well, but the base language is a bit less pliable compared to Haskell, so it does not feel as fluent.

What I don't like about the shared-local, message-pass-global approach is that you have two kinds of concurrency in the same application. I'd much rather go with one, and in that case it must be the latter.
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While I'm relieved to see that, I wouldn't expect anything less from a trivial example such as this. I wonder if the same would be true if you hit a database, hydrated a one-to-many related series of objects from multiple tables using an ORM, modified some of them and save them etc.

However, I don't mean to harp on about the memory leaks; It's just that it seems to have been an assumed wisdom in my long association with PHP that you're going to need to restart PHP processes eventually. Perhaps the GC in 5.3 alleviates some of these concerns (including detection of circular references), as does the maturing of the code base and the commonly used libraries over the years.

The fact that you are using AiP happily in production already means that there is both a niche and a successful way to implement this so I'm glad to see new approaches like this emerging.
Just imagine having to write perl in the first place ;P
Here's some NoSQL differences: http://kkovacs.eu/cassandra-vs-mongodb-vs-couchdb-vs-redis

It's outdated though (MongoDB stable is 1.8.1 already).
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I've been ignoring that rule for a long time. If it wasn't in the original, it doesn't go in quotes.

And another thing. Using "an" when a word starts an H is followed very inconsistently. In fact, I only seem to hear it in the phrase "an historic". "An human" doesn't really speak that way.
I see only library changes in this announcement, so apparently the language itself is rather stable.
How would that help? Timezones help to coordinate hours with day and night. If you know something happended somewhere at 3a.m. you can assume it was night (unless it was a polar day). Without timezones the task becomes much more difficult.
It is just hard to not watch the abuse of the population, mass rapes, mass killings, starvation, and so forth and not wish that things could be different then donating $10 via text message to some organization who offers to do something about it. If we could just build a giant wall around North Korea and all of Africa then spend that money on cars, hot wings, and hookers.
Who is this jerk? I mean, this Daniel?
"...what else do you read?"

I sincerely apologize for giving in to my Grammar Nazi impulse. Please understand that although it is not an excuse, reading the "Logical Punctuation" article has made me ... temporarily insane. Thank you.
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Ah, the old 112 instead of 120 format.
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The same in mine. I had no idea it was so rare :(
This is part of Nature's The Future of the Phd series, which has been linked to a few times here on HN, but never had a proper discussion.

Series:
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what is the default way to create dynamic pages? must have missed that!
With the end-of-statement period, I agree you can make that case, but it's done with other punctuation as well, since the American rule is more of a typographical rule than a semantic one (you put low-on-the-line punctuation before high-on-the-line punctuation).

For example:

British: "I would not", he objected, "enjoy that".
American: "I would not," he objected, "enjoy that."

The period is arguably part of the quoted statement as you say, but the comma definitely isn't.
The setup we run with AiP is the full Midgard Create stack: Midgard2 extension, Midgard MVC framework, a lot of CMS components.

http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/introducing_the_midgard_create_use...
Well if we're going to start making English logical we have a lot of work to do.
print "some text," function(), "moretext;"
Why exactly is it a smear campaign? "Smear" to me implies the charges are false or unfair, not just that you use a sockpuppet to make them. Maybe what Facebook had their PR firm say about Social Circles is untrue or misleading, but no one seems to be arguing that point.

(Incidentally, I have no great love for Facebook and find them vaguely creepy, but Google also does a lot of creepy things privacy-wise, and that shouldn't be dismissed just because of the manner in which the charges were publicized.)
I say we should stop beating around the bush and just switch to stardates already.
Who cares if the CIA has a backdoor? It's still better to encrypt his archives than using plaintext. The chance the CIA might have a backdoor is lower than the chance the CIA might decipher plaintext.

Of course, you'd have to use a non-networked computer for this, in case Truecrypt phones home...
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He might intend to sell this and doesn't want everyone and their 2nd cousin stealing it. Of course the flash thing doesn't prevent that either but it will probably prevent a large percentage of the people who see it on the web site.
print("some text," function(), "moretext;)"
Y'know, I got so fed up with memorising those numbers at an old job that I built a view that enumerated all the valid ones against GETDATE() :-)
Metafilter, Lifehacker and bits of most of that network, Onethingwell, Marco.org, DaringFireball, BBC news, Arstechnica, Superuser, GiveMeSomethingToRead.

I've bookmarked about 100 blogs to read later, so I ignore new posts from these sources to those blogs. I'd say Metafilter is my main and highest quality source.

In real life all I read is http://www.theweek.co.uk/ and Instapaper with the odd tech or music magazine.
Reminds me rather of an old essay called something like "The Runabout Inference System, Or Notes on 'Tonk'.
Simplified English has been around for a while, there's even a Wikipedia language for it:
http://simple.wikipedia.org/

iirc Lincoln was a big proponent of it.
$500 Million seems utterly excessive to me. Usually they do consent agreements and only if the party violates it do they go after fines.
Well, the article didn't say that they were archived in plain text. For what we know, it may have been encrypted with TrueCrypt, and it may be readable by CIA.
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