> it's all about education and sozialisation. people want to be recognized for their achievements. they don't want to be recognized as a couch potato. if what you say were true, then why would anyone work more than what they need to cover their expenses now?

I honestly think that many people here haven't actually been around scumbags and haven't seen the effects of welfare dependency. I have. Half of my family are welfare dependant and there is nothing wrong with any of them. My step brother drank so much he gave himself something called "wet brain", my step sisters are both single mothers that have never worked in their life (and don't intend to). The last time I bothered going to see them, they all got arrested.

This is a direct consequence of them being able to live on "the dole" in the UK.

> yes, people say they don't want to work. but what they really mean is that they don't want to work bad jobs just because they have to.

In almost every western country people are given a free education, will be given credit to study and there are plenty of opportunities so they don't have to work a "bad job" (whatever that means but more on that later).

I saved up plenty of money so I could start my own business with my own clients. I did things the right way by using my initiative and saving up. Now I get to work on what I want, when I want to, go on holiday when I want to.

Also before I graduated uni I worked these "bad jobs". They weren't that bad. I actually got quite a lot of exercise, they were certainly more social than programming and I met more women.

To put it crudely I think people bitch too much.

> why do people do volunteer work? again, what incentive to do volunteers work do people have now? lots of work without much reward. yet people still do it. UBI won't change that, but it will give more people the opportunity to do volunteer work, or do more of it.

I actually worked at a charity with many volunteers. After being in meetings and have discussions with volunteers. None of it was for altruistic reasons. It was for experience so they could get another career elsewhere or they got a free certification to do a job in another country half the year (many moved between the UK and Australia based on the season). Now that certainly isn't every volunteer.

> on the other hand, people stuck in bad jobs may be enabled to quit them, because it won't cost them their home or their insurance. pay will rise because people don't need to accept hard labor for minimum wage anymore.

This is another poor argument for two reasons.

1) Prices will rise if there is more money around. I live in the Midlands in the UK. Prices on everyday items (bread milk etc) is about 2/3rds what they are down South and about 1/2 of what they are in London. Do you know why the disparity? It is because people in the North and the Midlands are less well off than the South / South East England.

2) Very few jobs these days are hard labour. Even so plenty of people do want these jobs.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/coronavirus...

3) There is normally nothing stopping people from learning outside of work. Especially now with online learning. And you can't tell me it isn't possible. You know why? I visited a friend in Cambodia, his wife who couldn't read until she was 18, learned to read while literally doing back breaking work in the rice fields for well over 10 hours a day. If someone with no education what-so-ever can learn how to read and pay to go to school (it isn't free there) people over here who are given all the opportunities in the world can do so to.