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> What does Discord do that wasn't solved in 2005?

Discord was pretty much unrivaled in voice-chat quality for a long time, and to this day it's only "real" competitors in technical prowess in this space that come to mind are Apple's Facetime and Google's Duo.

Both Facetime and Duo have bespoke algorithms for this kind of thing: Duo for example leverages SOTA ML to correct audio gaps in the call[0], while Facetime leverages ECN on their custom adaptive bitrate algorithm so that the call is more resilient to noisy networks (couldn't find a good reference for this second one).

Keep in mind that both Google and Apple have highly-qualified teams working exclusively on networking protocols, and yet still there was a time a while ago where Discord pretty much had the best call quality experience around (GMeet is still wonky to this day).

The only thing about this that was "solved" in 2005 is shoveling packets over UDP, or at most, if you wanted to be really fancy, just shoveling them over SCTP instead.

I think you're severely underestimating how much knowledge of networks it takes to build something to par that level of quality. The only thing you can point at back in 2005 is Skype, and they do not come even close. You also seem to be equating difficulty with complexity, which even though they are at times correlated, is still a false equivalency.

[0] https://ai.googleblog.com/2020/04/improving-audio-quality-in...
I imagine both of them and Apple (and possibly Google) have.

Well we don’t know for sure there’s a very good chance the negotiations have been going on behind the scenes and they finally broke down far enough that Epic decided to pull the trigger and force the issue.
Because of this, some fancier EVs/hybrids have an auto-wipe feature that briefly applies the brakes at low pressure while you are driving to clean the pads.
If you want the alternative app stores to become more popular like you say, there's no better place to actually name some of them than in the comment you just made.
Hey—this is Brian from Labelbox. Thanks for the mention.

Martin and Matt are incredibly sharp on the trends in AI and have inspired our work at Labelbox immensely. I particularly like the discussion on getting the operations right for building and iterating with ML. Like software development, iterating quickly is key to building a performant model on real world data. The average iteration time for ML is 2-4 weeks in the industry right now. Comparing this to software development averages is stark. Getting the development and operations of ML right can greatly speed up iteration and improve the likelihood of getting to market with performant ML systems.
People have been talking about climate change for a decade, doesn't mean they're not right.
But there are quite a few examples of some pretty nasty effects that only show up when a person reaches maturity. So better to take this the slow and the sure way, more evidence is better.
I'd think a more "fair" comparison would be "percent of dollars spent". Since Apple is purposely targeting a higher cost, lower volume segment of the market.

It's a fairly difficult comparison to make though because you have to compare a single companies vertical integration to the non-integrated supply chains of several other companies.
What's wrong with that? Besides, how Epic makes money is irrelevant to this discussion. Your statement is blatant whataboutism.

(FWIW I despise many of Epic's decisions, particularly their hostile attitude towards Linux as a platform, so no, I'm not biased towards them.)
I would argue that the technical limitations of iOS are what accomplishes this, rather than app review. For a malicious actor, sneaking prohibited behavior past app review is incredibly easy - look at what Fortnite just did! The reason that apps on iOS can't damage your device is that apps are sandboxed, and that the OS requires user permission to access data and places limits on how many resources an app can use. There's no reason that the same sandboxing system couldn't be applied to apps from outside the store.

(VPNs and provisioning profiles are sort of an exception to this, because they can escape the sandbox, but a) the number of scary warnings presented by the system should be enough to limit their impact, and b) they will also continue to exist separately from the app store issue).
> The DOJ took it up, but at one level it would be obscene if they didn't - imagine the inverse (some evidence of anti-black admissions procedures is found), and the DOJ - who is tasked with prosecuting hate crimes and other civil rights-style issues - did not take it up.

You mean like publicly abandoning ongoing investigations of systematic racial discrimination by local police departments while dismissing the entire idea of conducting such investigations when there was evidence in hand as an intrusion on law enforcement?

The DOJ did that almost immediately when the current Administration took over.

> this sort of topic is the DOJ's bread and butter, and since it began via lawsuits from the affected parties I don't think there's much cynical "discretion" going on in this particular case.

The DOJ doesn't join or follow every, or even most, discrimination cases filed by private parties which are minimally viable and state claims which would also provide a public cause of action, so I have no idea on what basis you jump from “started by a private lawsuit” to “therefore doesn’t have much cynical discretion involved”.
When can we see an *
up to date list of the affected core team members?
There's at least three and not two like said before (I'm referring to the addition of alexcrichton)
>> The purpose of affirmative action is to correct the harm caused by previous institutional bias (edit: a given institution previously systematically excluded a group and now is making up for that exclusion).

Asian-Americans were broadly excluded as enshrined by law in Korematsu v. United States, to say nothing of the discrimination that Chinese-Americans dealt with.

So... kinda odd that it is correct to continue to discriminate against them in higher education... isn't it?
Slightly off topic: the last time I saw stuff about speeding up boot of small devices was here - https://megous.com/git/p-boot/about/
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Which is what naturally ends up happening when affirmative action gets out of hand.
That's true. I've never attempted to keep procs in VC, but I think it would be pretty easy if you wanted to.
https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/commandline/save/

You already have the source, now you have a dist.
Look on Twitter & Instagram. HN isn't going to be the place to find comments going against developers.
As a parent, I couldn't care less about the monetary impact of COVID-19 beyond the basics to survive and the years have taught us to be very frugal when we need to be.

Did you ever think that some people with kids may not be in the position to work from home and have to go to work every day? I’m sure you’ve seen the statistics where a large percentage of Americans don’t have $400 in savings.

I also bet you have a job that allows you to work from home.

How many households are led by a single parent and/or two parents who have to go to a job where they can’t work from home?

I am not going to sit here tsk tsking all of the people who aren’t as fortunate as I am. Not only do I have a job where I can work from home. We were also in the financial position that we had the option of my wife not going back to work in the school system and just saying it wasn’t worth the risk.
Just looking at the Ebay comparison.., it's not apples to apples (sorry).

A third party marketplace would be Etsy. Ebay can't stop you from going to Etsy.

Epic isn't trying to set up an app store on iOS (as they tried for Android!). They are trying to avoid using the platform payment system.

Ebay DOES have restrictions on payments![0] But you DO NOT have to use PayPal:

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/payment-policies/accepted...

And, Ebay doesn't charge exorbitant fees! 10% vs 30%.

I don't get how chase and stripe relate to this situation.

My view is that Apple deserves a cut, maybe even 30%, by giving you users and transactions of App purchases. Sure, even IAP, since its lower friction. But not allowing you to handle your own IAP IF YOU WANT or your own subscriptions or offer a different price based on payment method or link to where you CAN sign up or even mention WHY or that Apple is taking a huge cut is... basically extortion.
“ Apple and Google are gatekeepers to all mobile devices (practically), but the value they add as gatekeepers is questionable”

If you own an app and remove it from all App Stores, you’ll quickly see what value they add. It’s the millions of users who are able to download your product.
That should have an impact on use of the term "crocodile tears" used when someone is feigning sadness or compassion.
It's also going to require mandatory brain microchips to ensure all of the user's thoughts conform to Apple policies /s

All of this is still unknown outside of Apple. What is known so far seems to me like it's pointing in the direction of a pretty open macOS and a very much locked down iOS, to satisfy different needs. We'll know more by late fall, I guess.
Very impressive. Masterful hacking. Nice to know how much can still be done with less than a megabyte of memory!
IMO, this was Epic's one misstep—they should have pulled Fortnite from the Google Play Store a week before this stunt. Apple is the big fish (revenue-wise) with the most draconian policy. Provoking two giants at once was not necessary.

Every other aspect of how Epic played this has been brilliant IMO.
The outcome may still be beneficial for others.
> I'm not even sure they are worth prosecuting, and it's likely they are taking the food out of someone's mouth doing so.

Just to be clear, I think that these two 'they's are different. The first 'they' is the recycling-bin crawlers, and the second 'they' (the ones taking the food out of mouths) are the prosecutors, not the crawlers, right?
Do you think those patches will be upstreamed?
If you look on LinkedIn you'll see the vast majority of "African-American" Ivy League alumni are actually African immigrants. It seems without fail when I run into someone black that's a successful doctor or lawyer they often turn out to be an African immigrant. They're often quite coy about it and will only tell you when you ask them directly.

There's nothing wrong with immigrants but it seems as though immigrants are benefiting from programs meant to help the descendants of African-American slaves. The only question is if the Ivy League universities care about this or not.
Do you really consider giving developers a giant bag of guaranteed money up front to be strong arming them?

They took the deal, they didn't get their life/safety threatened.

There was some really shitty behavior by developers who took the pot of money who had already made promises to crowdfunders previously. That's on the developer though, and they should be judged appropriately for their actions.
It's an argument that comes back often when talking about telco and it does make sense on the surface, but as far as I'm aware most the Canadian population lives in a pretty narrow range of the country's territory. There needs to be some compensation going into the dense areas paying for the infrastructure of the near-empty ones to a degree, but I have a hard time believing it justifies that level of pricing.

Just look at the prices in Australia or Russia. There's no good technical reason Canada should just be massively more expensive than the rest.
Discrimination against Asians and Jews is very similar in most respects, I agree. Definitely seems to be that way here.
If you're looking for a project that is amazing and could use some love I recommend librivox. I think your skills would be great for helping them. They recently put out an ask here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23558686
How does someone build their own phone?
There was a lot of debate on whether or not Apple should allow third-party app stores/easily sideloaded apps, which really shouldn't be the debate since Epic already had Fortnite on Android via a third-party launcher and went to the Play store anyways.

The debate needs to be on whether or not they should take a cut on in-app purchases, and/or what that cut should be, and/or if they should allow third-party processors where the store owner doesn't see profit.
All fair. And I feel much the same way. Pick your battles, know when to expose and when to stay anonymous. Evaluate everything in a situation like that from a risk perspective and make sure that you indeed engage those risks that will allow you to look back and say you don't regret any of it.

This can be very hard.
> Does Apple also have a monopoly on writing the OS that runs on iPhones?

Yes, of course. But I think the issue might be the extent to which this is an artificial monopoly, rather than a natural one.
Yes, that's a very interesting phenomenon that should be taken into account. Likewise I've wondered what the sub-demographics are of Asian ethicity students. It's a little ridiculous to lump children of Vietnamese boat people in with nouveau riche direct from China.
Towards a dynamic multiscale personal information space (2020) [pdf]
A visionary paper synthesizing Alan Kay, Bret Victor, and recent research in visualization and computational notebooks. "Rethink[ing] the nature of information".
Online lectures might be able to scale, but communication platforms and social networks cannot.

I would say more than half of what you learn is from your peers. People who by design were already filtered to be at a high baseline of competence and are forced to go through the same curriculum in the same timeframe as you.

No professor or expert can explain a concept better than someone similar to yourself who recently figured it out. There's also an immense amount of camaraderie built from helping each other grow. All of this is lost when you're just one of millions watching a video where most of the public discussion is dumb.

A little artificial exclusivity isn't a bad thing.
Very nice project, may be can try this at home.

ESP32 is a little processor that could. The latest version ESP32-S2 is cheaper (unit cost 99 cents), and amongst other capabilities also supports LCD interface and USB OTG!

https://maker.pro/esp8266/tutorial/a-comparison-of-the-new-e...
Modern fission reactors are far, far simpler and safer than what exists in most places today.
No but you want them to fight at least
Exactly.

Apple has none of the risk and somehow thinks it is appropriate to charge per transaction AND customer. Yes, they charge the companies who wish to integrate with apple pay a quarterly fee per card.

Apple customers are footing this bill, of course, as vendors and banks aren't just going to lose money. Apple is way out of line, and apple customers would benefit from informing themselves.
Android has a plethora of app stores, there have always been tons of them. Some phones have shipped with three or more, one from Google, one from the phone manufacturer and one from the network. Then you could add another one from Amazon, etc, etc.

Google Play Store won out on Android simply because the multitude of stores was a nightmare for customers. They don’t want multiple stores, they want one store on this phone, that will also be on their next phone. Any ‘monopoly’ wasn’t seized by Google, it was pushed eagerly on them by customers craving consolidation and simplicity.

Same for me, I don’t want 5 blasted stores on my iPhone. I want one store and run by someone I trust. The same goes for my Switch too, I’m quite happy for Nintendo to run the store for it. If I don’t like how they run it, I’ll get a PS 5 or XBOX. That’s where the competition is. I have plenty of choices thanks.
Seems like a weird argument. So oil spills in unprotected areas are less serious because nature there is already impacted in other ways? Won't make any difference to the animals and plants in the end.
It can get extremely competitive for universities to attract the top talent in terms of professors. All these students need someone to teach them.
The same thing happens here in Australia with banks (4 major companies) and petrol stations (2 major companies).
Twitter has Apple fans rushing to criticize Epic. I'm absolutely flabbergasted the freedom disruption blinders are so strong.

Why anyone supports Apple is a mystery to me. What if the web forced you to use Apple Payments? What if Microsoft forced all installs to go through the Microsoft Store?

Apple took focus from the web and then extinguished openness. It's tyranny.
DEF CON Hackers Compete to Hijack a Satellite in Orbit
Google has also removed Fornite from it's own store[0] so it's guilty of the same screwy policies as Apple.

[0]https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/13/21368079/fortnite-epic-an...
what might he do? write another book? he doesn't have any power besides moral authority and he cannot travel internationally
Justice Department Finds Yale Illegally Discriminates Against Asians and Whites
Why bother when you can just install apks directly?
If this gambit doesn't pan out, they can just return to the status quo, it's not like Apple would ever permanently ban them, nor would they even reneg on the 30%.

So the only loss is the time they're off the store, plus legal. They just need to get this lawsuit started, maybe lose a couple weeks profits from the iOS store, and they've created the possibility of permanently increasing profits by 20%.
Payroll and legal complexities is the big one.

I've also run into challenges around mismatches in cultural expectations of how employer/employee or manager/report relationships should operate.
The 15% only applies to subscriptions after 1 year and would never apply to something like the sale of V-bucks which is transactional.

For subscriptions, everyone knows the majority of revenue happen in the first year due to churn.
Fantastic! How do I play Fortnite and purchase V-bucks on the web?
>Was that really the philosophy of the USSR?

It was. There was affirmative action for "ethnic minorities" too. Source: born and raised in the USSR.
Why does it take gusto?
What's wrong with using test in this context? If I'm running LTS, which for me is server only, I don't want or need newer kernel or x updates. Additionally, if I'm utilizing a DE I generally don't want LTS.

sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
sed -i 's/buster/testing/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
sudo apt dist-upgrade

Getting security updates from unstable (not required):

1. Pin unstable lower than testing.

2. Configure apt/debsecan as outlined here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725934
This kind of gatekeeping / rentier activity is not good for economic activity. There are two big players.

Amazing coincidence that both charge 30%, isn't it?
who cares about their motives. i still think it’s a good thing if they win.

no one thinks corporations don’t do what’s in their best interest monetarily
Credentials vs. education. Credentials are a positional good, education an intrinsic one. We've decided the two should be bundled together, but they don't have to be. Maybe they shouldn't be; that would be a much more interesting conversation to have.
I know it's a bit pedantic, but...

"The enemy of my enemy is my ally."
It's about Epic's freedom and choice. Hopefully this leads to widespread developer freedom. You're looking for a "perfect victim", but it's impossible to find those, especially perfect victims who have the financial resources to fight Apple and Google.

If this were just about money, it would be totally irrational. Epic does have money to gain if they're successful, but they have a lot more money to lose if they fail. It's kind of a suicide mission to simultaneously take on two of the most powerful corporations on Earth. No rational purely profit-seeking corporation would follow this strategy.
Or we can just wear masks in public forever. Wouldn’t that squash it? Every flu?
Lol, love the people downvoting me. I work in SEO and content.
I really don't see how Epic has a leg to stand on here, not on a platform which allows sideloading. The Apple case is complicated, but this seems like a straightforward violation of an entirely voluntary contract.
Most notably the Calculator app. An app which started in less than a second on Ubuntu 16.04 and which now starts in about 4 seconds on Ubuntu 18.04. All so the developer can include copies of the system library dependencies that already exist in the main filesystem. An app that is notable for providing the user with the most powerful capability of performing arithmetic operations on a modern computer.

Snaps have done what countless desktop environments could never do. Make it faster to do math using Google than by using a local calculator application.
They both carefully added up all their costs and each independently arrived at a fair 30% fee, even though entire physical supply chains can undercut this percent.
where did you get your law degree?
Would it even matter? Google has tied so much critical functionality into their Play API that they could probably just flip a switch, and any app that didn't go through their own store would lose huge amounts of capabilities that Google has locked up.

This is a fine - even advantageous - for open stores like F-Droid, as the target market is users who explicitly don't want more Google spyware on their phone. But for large software companies pushing out profitable apps that require Play apis, it wouldn't be feasible.
Your comment doesn't really disagree with theirs. One major reason Android feels so fragmented is all the different devices. My last Android phone was an LG G3 (yeah I know I'm out of date nowadays). It had a really good camera (for the time) with a fast laser autofocus. Turns out no app used the proper APIs to take advantage of laser autofocus. If I wanted to take a picture with an app, I would have to take a picture with the camera app, and then upload it. Except certain apps like Instagram didn't allow you to upload photos from your camera roll, so any instagram photo I took was not in focus.

In my opinion iOS was far better when there were fewer different devices released every year, but it's still better today than Android.
It's true. I've long been a fan of using Ubuntu on the server because its consistent release and long-term maintenance schedules make planning a lot easier than with Debian, and because the server stuff was relatively stripped down. But the gradual creep of snap into the server is really worrisome. From minor things like a bunch of annoying loop filesystems on a default install, to truly problematic things like how removing snapd led to a broken OS after automatic security upgrades, forcing us to relent and leave snapd installed. And the fact is, as you say, this is a clear pattern for Canonical.
Well, we have 36 years of evidence that the Mac will not be App Store only and none that it will be.
There's a popular sailing channel called Sailing Uma.
When they were first getting started, on low budget, they DIY a used a cheap fork lift motor. They recently got rid of it, but it lasted them many years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoD-j9Dy6xQ
My brother-in-law is half Vietnamese and half Chinese. He asked me to review his personal statement and help him with college applications a few years back. I encouraged him to self-identify as Vietnamese instead of Chinese. He was accepted to multiple Ivy's (but ended up staying in state in the end) where his Chinese friends were all rejected. They are otherwise indistinguishable. Even their personal statements were all more-or-less on the same level, at least the few that I helped out and recall. They all learned a pretty valuable lesson there.
The big difference in HoloLens 2 is the hand tracking, it's superb. It's the future.

I don't think Apple Glass will have that when it comes out, re: privacy. The parents lack cameras, but may have some form of lidar? Maybe depends on the one you look at?