> In the original comment you made a simply, wrong claim. I disproved it with a fact including a citation.

I don't see how? The current EU membership demands CFP, AGP among other things. This is why Greenland is not in the EU and is actually one of the big reasons why Iceland refuses to become a member.

> This apparently is "dismissing discussion" while your random uncited claims are "opening discussion".

I'm no intellectual, so you can stick your assumptions on my knowledge of etiquette where the sun doesn't shine.

Iceland: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/17/the-m...
Funny Goldman sachs dealings: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/greek-debt-c... https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/goldmans-greek-gam...
Barroso: https://www.goldmansachs.com/media-relations/press-releases/...
CFP: https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/cfp_en
ERM: https://www.economicshelp.org/macroeconomics/economic-growth...
Greece: https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2010/cr10110.pdf https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22791248 https://www.wsj.com/articles https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/breaking-greece... /SB10001424127887324299104578527202781667088 https://www.economist.com/briefing/2010/02/04/a-very-europea...
China: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-greece-china/china-greece... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/world/europe/greece-china... https://www.ekathimerini.com/253122/opinion/ekathimerini/com... https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2020/06/18/china-greece-relation-... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/18/greece-eu-crit...

You can see above I'm not being disingenuous. But, after having read your entire post and the previous posts, I believe you genuinely are being disingenuous with me. You have repeatedly addressed an audience instead of me either directly or indirectly. No matter what class you are, that's rude.

> Then its on to the fishing trade deal on fisheries. Which wasn't part of our EU membership, and isn't a trade deal.

Joining the EU requires agreeing to prior agreements like the CFP. It's why Greenland left https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/if-algeria-and-greenland-... and it's why Iceland expressedly refuses to become an EU member - https://www.euractiv.com/section/enlargement/news/iceland-of...

> So what is so great about Icelands deal with China vs the EU one? No comment on that.

I mean, literally didn't go into it because it was already a long comment, who you acknowledged. But.... It's a minimal agreement that does not impose any additional tarifs on the exchange of goods and just requires that each country meets each one's internal standards for sale, no sales tax. Comparatively, the EU despite having a 'free trade deal', is imposing import VAT for protectionism (Iceland does not). Meanwhile, both Chinese citizens and organisations can buy EU goods at lower rates than EU citizens can because they do not impose an import sales tax. Much like how the rest of the world is able to purchase 'excess' (or 'quota') food from the EU cheaper than the EU citizens do.

> it didn't allow enough fishing destroying British towns. You're ability to have these contradictions in the same paragraph is further evidence that you've left reality.

So, you're going to assume I've left reality because I didn't go out of my way to explain how the Total Allowable Catch works and that basically, they're set without sufficient understanding of the environment which leads to overfishing. Then the UK government, knowing how bad it is, restricts our own people from fishing to save the environment (under their interpretation of TAC) without us actually being in violation of TAC. This is worsened by the fact that roughly half of our local fishing companies are actually owned by foreign companies now, which are some of the same ones that are getting good use of out of the poor TAC policy via other countries. TAC is set by the European Commission, now this might sound confusing because they actually get data from ICES, but what the EC does not have to follow any of ICES recommendations and the only ones who can make proposals is the EC. So if the EC wants to push something through, they can just not propose any better alternatives. EC does the same thing in parliament too and if they want something, they can force it regardless. But, you should know that already, being that you're such a pompous arse towards anyone who holds the 'wrong' view point and you have succeeded in getting under my skin.

> This is the whole brexit case in a microcosm: you're unhappy about something that isn't the EUs fault

I have earnestly tried to engage with you, but you have chosen to completely ignore all the issues raised, quickly dismiss arguments by any convenient means possible, including, complaining about not flooding a post with a bunch of links, because you posted a single link that didn't actually show the cost of membership.

> Greenland isn't a nation, its part of Denmark and (for trade purposes) the EU.

Greenland is a self autonomous country within the Kingdom of Denmark and it isn't part of Denmark for trade purposes in the EU, it's heritage is older than the EU...

> Again, facts bro!

Since you want to address an audience, I will do the same.

There is a reason why us in the working class won't engage with middle class/university people/intellectuals (regardless if brexiteer or remainer), they dance around us like we're trash and try to slip us up on petty etiquette instead of actual engagement. They twist everything we say through manipulation as being too ‘simple’ to understand, simply because we don’t have the right articulation and they genuinely don’t really care about our issues, I don’t know what their motives are. We are just disposable subhumans to them, emotional punching bags that they can blame.

Regardless of why I think the EU is bad, I’m certain people voted brexit in a majority, it was because they were massively unhappy, it wasn’t a protest, it was just an attempt to change things for the better, because they are not good right now. Both the EU and UK government failed their citizens. They should have done a better job and unfortunately, remainers are so stuck that on the idea the EU is great, they refuse to acknowledge this very simple fact. What’s worse is that I tried to demonstrate this in my posts and you can see the complete blindness to it, the utter refusal to acknowledge anything could be wrong.