skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> Sure, it's not like Russia or the CCP and you're not in danger of being suicided if you uncover some high level dirt

Gustl Mollath [0] would probably disagree with that notion, just like the death of Jürgen Möllemann [1] left more questions unanswered than a proper investigation of him would very likely have answered. Similar situation with Wolfgang Hüllen during the CDU donations scandal.

Similarly the NSU process saw a lot of witnesses die under rather weird circumstances [2].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustl_Mollath

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCrgen_M%C3%B6llemann

[2]https://www1.wdr.de/fernsehen/aktuelle-stunde/startseite/nsu...
I don't use Cloudflare, but I do notice Cloudflare services being down.

Right now, I can't get to my own website (hosted on DigitalOcean, not through Cloudflare), but Oh Dear claims it's up. So I suspect that the problem is closer to me than it is to DigitalOcean (or Cloudflare).
Yeah, it's whether news.ycombinator.com loads :P
> The vast majority of hospitals everywhere are doing fine.

That's great if you need something done at a hospital that is not super time sensitive; it's not great if you're in the area where hospitals are overful and you have an urgent need.

Epidemic response needs to be done at a regional level in response to what's going on in that region, taking note of what's happening nearby as it might spill over, and learning from other areas within the country and worldwide to try to figure out what works best. It's totally reasonable, if the numbers support it, for some regions to be increasing restrictions and others to be decreasing restrictions. Clear communication from all levels of response would certainly help.
Why is that tweet dated 2019?
Same (UK) some sites work, some others not. Thought it was just me.
Sounds like you would like this site: http://www.cookingforengineers.com
> You shouldn't be having high risk-group teachers

Uh, why? What specifically about diabetes, high blood pressure, or the still largely random distribution of many types of cancer, prevents one from being a teacher?
> We spend more per kid than we ever have.

While true in absolute dollars, it doesn't really seem to be true in inflation adjusted dollars.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZbUD16t4aaM6rCOmFogjxkVhRpJ...
Same here. Only figured it out because just one of the computers uses Cloudflare dns and the others were fine...
> Amusingly, a lot of the sites that normally track outages are also down, which made me think it was my internet at first.

That is why if you have this question, you should go to google.com

My guess is that there are more resources invested in making sure google.com stays up than for any other site on the internet.
EDIT: Yes: https://twitter.com/HNStatus

HN is so reliable that’s it’s almost never needed one. I’m extremely curious how HN survived this; almost positive they used cloudflare at one point.

I think the official status page is @hnstatus on Twitter, or something like that.
Must be regional or some other factor involved. Various sites others are reporting as offline load for me as does 1.1.1.1.
My Pagerduty's been blowing up so I tried to go to their dashboard to pause the notifications for now and pagerduty.com is down XD
Why are digital ocean VPSes down due to a Cloudflare outage? Hoping for a clarifying post mortem...
A sudden disruption on a large number of services for everybody at once doesn't look like a DNS problem to me, with all the caching in DNS. It would fail progressively and inconsistently.
Still down here.
I thought my issue was with Comcast, then I realized I'm using CF's DNS entries for my home network. I removed those 1.1.1.1 entries and some sites are working.

Dang, I'm pretty disappointed in CF. I've never experienced this much an effectful DNS outage.
> Oh please, of the hundreds of thousands of police officers who've done far more for the good of their society than you have, you're saying 100% of them deserve to be doxxed.

Where did I say this?
Being hold back a year was not serious threat for the years already. Literally no one worried about that, except maybe few kids with actual learning issues.
(In the context of in-person teaching during a pandemic, because of the risk to them. )
How can this be reproduced?
Quarantine in Canada (at least in Ontario where I live) has been pretty mild, thank goodness. No crazy shit like I saw in the video from Spain when cop was chasing a lonely jogger on the beach. I don't see why someone couldn't just get in the car and drive to another city.
> if you compare per capital rates ours were actually on par with most other first world nations

Not true, we're squarely between several 2nd and 3rd world countries: https://www.statista.com/chart/21176/covid-19-infection-dens...

> until the recent protests (both left and right) began

Not true, current research does not link any outbreaks to protests (BLM protests at least), mostly due to the fact that protesters were wearing masks and were outside: https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/01/research-d...

> Let's also not forget that a number of other countries like Sweden didn't lock down at all and are doing fine.

Not true, Sweden is sitting about 150 deaths / million higher than the US right now: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data?country=USA~SWE#...

> What percent of nurses and doctors in COVID wards have gotten sick? And what is their CFR?

Largely irrelevant, because nurses and doctors should be wearing PPE, are trained to work in infectious environments, work in buildings designed to prevent disease vectors, and places that are sanitized regularly. You should see significantly less cases in healthcare than you would elsewhere.

And just in general, the economic impact of letting the virus run rampant would be astronomical. Even outside of deaths, those with severe cases are ending up with likely permanent damage to their hearts, lungs, or kidneys, which will require increased medical costs and likely people who can no longer work.
Just my own impression after lightly reading the RFC.

It appears to be the idea that something akin to Microsoft's Active Directory is needed for the Internet instead of it essentially being reimplemented in many different contexts. That such domains would control membership, access, and discoverability for services and applications, based on some standardized protocols.
Most sites set the absolute minimum TTL for every record, for no reason. There’s a lot less caching than you’re thinking.
I am probably the only one who cares but even https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ is down
I was once told my Dodge was a "drug dealer" car. I laughed, saying any sane drug dealer would choose a boring, nondescript, dime-a-dozen car that did not stand out. My Dodge attracts a lot of attention.
Monday Morning RCA: "We pushed out some routine code updates, but this really weird thing happened causing a resource utilization spike on our DNS systems. Because of this other really weird thing, this affected all of our global infrastructure simultaneously. Here's a deep engineering dive into this one weird thing that brought everything down."
But if everyone had stayed locked in for 6 weeks and if that had prevented 50000 deaths, how is that not worth it?
Ironically StatusCake is down as well.
I was trying to play video games but couldn't connect. Amazing how connected the web is now - one big hub goes down and brings the whole house of cards down with it.
> You shouldn't be having high risk-group teaches

So who should take the place of these high risk-group teachers? There aren't infinite qualified people waiting around to teach elementary school.
Lichess is up (and also better)
This is addressed in the Nature article I linked. They compare SARS/MERS immunity to COVID-19 and find different results:

>Sustained IgG levels were maintained for more than 2 years after SARS-CoV infection. Antibody responses in individuals with laboratory-confirmed MERS-CoV infection lasted for at least 34 months after the outbreak. Recently, several studies characterizing adaptive immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 infection have reported that most COVID-19 convalescent individuals have detectable neutralizing antibodies, which correlate with the numbers of virus-specific T cells. In this study, we observed that IgG levels and neutralizing antibodies in a high proportion of individuals who recovered from SARS-CoV-2 infection start to decrease within 2–3 months after infection. In another analysis of the dynamics of neutralizing antibody titers in eight convalescent patients with COVID-19, four patients showed decreased neutralizing antibodies approximately 6–7 weeks after illness onset. One mathematical model also suggests a short duration of immunity after SARS-CoV-2 infection. Together, these data might indicate the risks of using COVID-19 ‘immunity passports’ and support the prolongation of public health interventions, including social distancing, hygiene, isolation of high-risk groups and widespread testing.

So the rate of decrease is already greater than SARS and MERS under this initial investigation. I agree that we don't know the rate or duration of immunity, but nothing so far seems to point in the direction you keep emphasizing or justifies your confidence. I actually do hope immunity ends up being longer lasting, but what I "hope" is irrelevant.

I don't know that herd immunity is a dirty word, but might, for COVID, be being deployed dangerously and pseudo-scientifically. The "natural phenomenon" you refer to does not occur in all cases for all diseases. It's not callousness unless you're explicitly denying that reality and justifying excess death and illness on a dynamic which may not even be in play.
Ireland here, and it's all down.
You are very cool for speaking out like this, so I'll follow your example. A company I worked at went through the Disney Accelerator [0] and had an absolutely horrendous time of it.

> The magic of Disney is the boatloads of people who continue to _want_ to work for Disney despite all this.

YES. This nails it. Disney's unique capability is its ability to churn out its "magical" content while conceiving of human capital in this dreadful way. They've figured out how to extract beauty and precision out of people while not having to return the favor in any meaningful way. They treat their janitor the same way they treat their janitor's mop.

They seem to conceive of their customers in the same sort of way. When people buy tickets to a showing of a Disney film in theaters, how many of their customers realize they are also having their eyes tracked by Disney? [1]

[0] https://disneyaccelerator.com/
[1] https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2016/12/08/how-disn...
They didn't get covid to be fair though. There was exposure, but no one tested positive.
I get a DNS servfail when resolving that DNS record, and many others:

Server: 8.8.8.8
Address: 8.8.8.8#53

** server can't find status.discord.com: SERVFAIL

So it's either not just cloudflare, or all those sites use cloudflare to host their DNS.
I began writing my substack[1] less than a month ago.

Have about 159 free subscribers + 10 paid.

I just write. Then, I post it here + subreddits. Sometimes, it got noticed (or not).

Surprisingly, I see much traffic from Google.

I have from 1k to 10k views within the first 24 hours. Nothing huge so far.

[1]https://codarium.substack.com/
My websites are down. I noticed when some CDNs were down.
That's unfortunate timing dude. Good for you, it's probably not your mistake :D
Sure you didn't misspell discord?
Cloudflare outage causing Discord, Medium, Patreon, ProductHunt, Gitlab all down
You can do that, I render web components with python. Treat them as black-box custom HTML tags in your server side template.
Fairly young students are not motivated without personal contact and relationship. Which is more likely reason then fear of non existent threat of being hold back.

They also can't organize to be at online lessons unless parents do that work.
Some articles I have authored are about specific questions related to things I am interested in. I subscribe to subreddits related to these subjects and when someone asks a question related to a question I have already written about, I point them to my article in a comment.
WebGazer.io managed to shoot me an email about my site being down. This in spite of their site being down too.
East Coast USA here. Any cloudflare site is unreachable, and 1.1.1.1 is giving me massive latency and packet loss :)
Support content creators?

It seems like NewPipe can't even add an option to enable ads because third-party ads are against F-Droid policy.
That's why I qualified my claim with 'believe'. There's no way for either of us to validate our claims because flags are not public, so all we have are inferences and figuring out what stories survive and why.

But this goes back to my main point is that what people think is a good fit on HN boils down to ideological reasons. That's why stories about Youtube banning someone gets a large number of votes upwards with complaints of censorship while stories like this one get flagged.
I wonder if they are all using Cloudflare's free DNS stuff or if they're paying for business accounts?

My stuff is on Netlify (for the next week or so) and the rest is on a VPS bought from a local business who isn't reselling cloud resources. I'm kinda glad I moved all my stuff from cloudflare.
Yes, but it’s only for use by system libraries. The header files aren’t shipped, and applications should use their own copy rather than trying to use the system’s.
We can't keep going on like this. The vulnerability of centralised internet infrastructure is a huge problem for everyone. Somebody, somewhere, really ought to sort it all out
Goodhart's Law[1] in action.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law
How does Cloudflare compare to Akamai?
This is correct. Nothing overtly nefarious is happening here (above the baseline level of telling FB who your customers are in order to figure out how much ROI your campaign had).

> Facebook is effectively grading their own homework here and ignores other marketing campaigns that may have contributed to the action

One thing I'd add is that FB is _still_ incentivized to accurately attribute actions. Over-attribution (and thus over-estimation of ROI) would give FB more spend in the short term, but would hurt them in the long term by causing auction inefficiencies.

This is the reason direct action campaigns on Google are perceived to be low(er) value: last click attribution disproportionately favors AdWords.
It’s worth mentioning here that 1.1.1.1 is also affected by this outage which initially made me think my internet was gone completely.

Changing back to an alternative (such as 8.8.8.8 from google) restored my access to the areas of the internet not using Cloudflare.
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Your username is funny.
The uptime tool I use (StatusCake) is itself down... Was wondering why I didn't get an alert.
Neither does socialism, communism, or nature.
> Was the response perfect? Certainly not.

No, it was not perfect. According to [1] the US has 27% of all cases of COVID-19, 24% of all COVID-19 deaths and 29% of new cases yesterday. For comparison US has 4.3% of world's population [2].

> Did some other countries do better? [...] it just means that you have only been exposed to Scandinavia and/or Singapore

Did some countries do worse? Italy is often cited as a badly hit country (and is not Singapore nor in Scandinavia), but if you look at their total cases curve [3] you'll see it has become nearly flat and new cases have been suppressed to near ~200/day from the peak of ~6k/day. For comparison, the corresponding plots for the US show a bungled attempt to flatten the curve followed by renewed exponential growth [4]. Daily new cases were only suppressed to ~1k/day from the peak of ~2.7/day.

> Does this make the US a "totally failed shit-hole state"? HELL NO!!

Well, what are the inclusion criteria? I'm asking, because when it comes to COVID-19 the US is doing so badly that now only 26 other countries have had more cases of COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic than the US added yesterday (73,388) [1].

[1]: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

[3]: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

[4]: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
The link should give you some answers on code style and performance. What else are you looking for?
Back online for me.
This is hitting my production environments as well :-(
How in the world is it not premeditated??? He went to his place. It's not like he randomly stumbled into Fahim and killed him on the spot.
To be fair the last major outage they had was 1-2 years ago. That said, when that happened they had two outages in about a month.
That rule is probably paid for by the loads of nuclear energy shills on this site.
DNS seems to be resolving for me in the UK now
Same here. Rebooted the router and modem thinking it was me, but my phone was still on wifi then realized it was probably my cloudflare DNS.
DO is still up as my machines are still up and accessible.
Also in Canada. Shit's fucked, yo.
A beginner’s guide to the AI apocalypse: Artificial stupidity
No I see some services failing that have a TTL of 1h.
Doordash too. My first order. On my wife's birthday.

Ah, well. This too shall pass.
US here, everything reported that I've checked is down. My Cloudflare sites are down as well.
Oh yeah, definitely. All according to keikaku.

In fact, what's really likely is that that 3rd party is being manipulated by lizard overlords to make us believe there are still humans with agency in the world when actually they have brainwave modifiers that override everything we want to do.

With Neuralink, I won't even be able to say these seditious things. Celebrate your last few moments of free will!
I think the multiplatform support is an interesting criticism but misunderstood.

I happened to be reading some OpenSSL code around the time of heartbleed and statically linking some of it in a project. I found a lot of the portability ifdefs were poorly done even for the standards of the 90s. It wasn't portability itself that was the issue, it was actual quality and in many cases the wrong abstractions in place.

One example that sticks out in my memory... There was a logger that had a Win32 ifdef. If you ran on Win32 it fed log messages directly to MessageBox(). Unless it detected the current process was an NT service, in that case it used another logging mechanism without asking. It wasn't actually "windows portability" or "windows support". The whole thing wasn't appropriate for a library. It could have had a mechanism to give the log lines to the application as a C string and be done with it. Instead, it was mixing of library layer stuff and application layer stuff, or just ordinary library bloat.

The other huge example I recall was compliance with older configurations that were pre-C99. C99 is much more universal now vs 20 years ago, although there are a few things Microsoft still doesn't support. But again, a bunch of these things seemed to be handled with ifdefs at the call site, rather than put in a proper compatibility layer that only an older configuration gets.

It does seem that in the years since then, cruft has been removed not only in forks but also in the upstream project.
I've never even heard of the site before. Nor have I searched for "attorney" any time recently.
Germany, everything down.
Oh, I've heard about it, but I don't like to use it because it returns a search page filled with ads for nonexistent domains.
Ditto except visa versa. My machine is set to the router which uses cloudflare. Other machines use whatever is default for mac(I try not to touch those). Once I realized they were working and I could access internal network from outside, I started diagnosing DNS. Came here via 8.8.8.8.
DO might use 1.1.1.1 (or Argon even) for routing between some of their PoPs
This is what my nephew is doing, and it's 100% incompatible with working parents. How can they work around shifting 4 hour days with alternating weekly schedules?
digitaloceans VPSes weren't down, but there do seem to be routing issues as TransIP can't reach DigitalOcean AMS3 (but it's all coming back now)

Maybe the problem was somewhere on the AMS-IX
Same. It has a big banner saying CloudFlare is down.
Because of Cloudflare: https://twitter.com/GhostfromTexas/status/128423896421647564...

See discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23875692
It's only unethical if you strongly support the current economic policies and incentive structures for large corporations. I and many others do not. They do not deserve the tax perks and monopolies granted them and their banker financiers that let them build so much wealth on the backs of the lower classes.

Also, why don't they just protect their endpoints with authentication? It would be simple. They choose not to. There is not an easy way to protect public water or Chick-fil-A honey packets, so ethics is the main mechanism. Not so with internet services. There are countless well tested mechanisms for this.
I think your core statement highlights the bigger problem with our progression as a society overall;

We don't eliminate corruption as we 'advance', but instead we just keep abstracting it away until the less observant don't see it as corruption but instead some form of 'networking'.
It was years ago.

If it's a problem people would have moved to a better example, not a years old case.

OSINT is a thing. It's also pretty amazing.

It is something HN can't do though. Smart people let conspiracies rise to the top and fear making a mistake by correcting them.

The Reddit/Boston Marathon meme is a gate-keeping meme on OSINT. Don't lynch mob ever, but also don't fear intelligent speculation.
I'm in Holland but everything came back up just now, so maybe you picked the exact right moment to check?
Well, sheit. This is all around the world. Press F.
But they all know how "important the car industry for germany is". And if they don't know, they will find out.

Heck, even the german car newspapers apparently would not really attack german cars on a serious level. At lest I head of a case, where a reporter from Auto Bild was on a test drive for a shiny new car model - and some shiny new feature did not work. What they did, was not report it, but secretly worked out, how to conceal that in the reporting. (no sources avaiable, heard it from people in the industry)
(I work in advertising, so yes I know how it works :)

The hypothetical being discussed is "it's better to not use the service at all than to use it and block an ad". In this scenario, which impression would have been shown that now is not? Either way, no money is made by the content creator.

The only way that person would make money is the third scenario which it seems you're talking about, whereby I use the service and watch an ad (and yes, for some of us, that will never happen).
Centralising on a single host suddenly not a good idea any more?
NextDNS got taken out by this, id been really happy with it up until now. And unfortunately “dns service went down” has a wide enough blast radius at home now that it’s a real pain.
Yeah, the examples section has a good list of networks with similar properties: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8799.html#name-examples-of...
I was having troubles with overleaf.com
1.1.1.1 is back for me now
You can ask this same question to anyone who uses an adblocker in browsers.

Until I can be absolutely assured I'm not going to be given a malicious payload from ad server I will not allow ads in my browser
Reminder for firefox users: Firefox uses DNS over HTTPS and the default is cloudflare. If you're having DNS issues, you need to disable it until cloudflare is back up.
Site that use Discord, Linode, Patreon, npmjs, DigitalOcean, Coinbase, Zendesk, Medium, Gitlab (502), Fiverr, Upwork, Udemy and many more including 1.1.1.1 dns down.
Ref: https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/1284239374809395200?s=19