skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> you are biasing the sample

And you are changing the topic now that your point is demolished. Adios.
There’s not one neat trick to make it go away. There have been a number of fairness and bias workshops and forums in recent ML conferences. There’s also a growing podcast and book collection on the topic. Timnit Gebru (mentioned in the OP article) has published and participated in a bunch, maybe start there.
How are big corporations pushing preparedness for black swan events? If anything they do the opposite - see 2009.

I don't see the relevance of your rant.
The first European ships noted in their logs that the island was devoid of trees, and that this was unusual, as other large islands of Polynesia were not. This is supported by fossil evidence. The disappearance of trees would severely limit the inhabitants' ability to find food, both because forests support a more diverse ecosystem and because lumber is necessary to build fishing boats. It's unlikely that the island's trees would vanish for any reason apart from human deforestation -- in fact, there is evidence that a vast majority of them were cut down by humans: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030544030...

It's certainly likely that European contact hastened the islanders' decline through diseases and other evils of colonization, but the theory here is built on... the fact that stone platforms were built after 1600? Okay. That doesn't really explain how the islanders cutting down all the forests on the island prior to European contact could have no effect on its population.
> 1 - Read lots of things unrelated to your field of study. Read about flowers, or art history, or music theory.

I think reading is the most consistent way to get high quality information on any subject, and a lot of it. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of other great methods of learning, but reading tends to just be very high quality, specifically books. There are always a handful of must read books for any given subject, whether that be compilers or growing mushrooms, and they achieve that status through years of agreement. Also, it seems to me that the average book tends to be higher quality that the average YouTube video or Medium article. I'm assuming it's due to a higher barrier for entry, but maybe there are other factors.
You're talking about a different problem than the original thread. The original thread isn't saying "the underlying world is biased"; Obama's face exists in the world.

It's saying that the dataset isn't reflective of the world, and this is an issue because then you'll end up with voice tools[1], facial recognition software[2], and sentencing algorithms[3] end up performing disproportionately poorly on some minority groups. And this ends up reinforcing the poor positions many people are already in.

1) https://www.pnas.org/content/117/14/7684

2) http://proceedings.mlr.press/v81/buolamwini18a.html?mod=arti...

3) https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/big.2016.0047
Right that's what I was getting at. At coffee shops that don't have 20oz cups, I just get the 16oz with the same amount of shots as the Venti at SB would have, which is 4. I find that I usually get bored and don't finish the 20oz unless I'm driving long distance anyway, but with the 16oz I get the same amount of caffeine, flavour, and actually finish it. It's $3.50 CAD at my local shop to get one with 4 shots in 16oz or 20oz, but only $0.50 more for each additional.
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Disappointing, as Youtube TV's low entry price for the last several years took the wind out of Playstation Vue, which I really enjoyed. It's frustrating to see the big tech companies engage in monopolistic, anti-competitive behavior by selling services at a loss to drive out competition only to then jack up prices.
test.dole.com
I found:
http://test.dole.com/
and:
https://www.dole.com/en/Articles/TEST

The article is testing in prod I guess, and the test subdomain is probably staging. Interestingly, google indexed it and when I searched for whether to refrigerate pineapple juice that came up.
> Let users pay $1 or $2 a month to disable ads on a channel (or $10 a month for "YouTube Premium"). That seems much more sustainable than relying exclusively on ads for income

They already do and have for quite some time.

https://m.youtube.com/premium?persist_app=1&app=m
I don't know who argued that cops should be able to break the law because of their job but it wasn't me.
Not really no. Anywhere close enough to commute to a tech hub, is very expensive, because everyone had the same idea.
Almost anything you'd use is correlated to demographics somehow or another. We tend to think certain systems are "OK" and not too racist, because they have a well-articulated rationale independent of demographics. But ML is not very good at explaining rationale for decisions, so we don't have the benefit of that argument and it's difficult to even empirically understand how biased the system is.

This is a hard problem.
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The $10 price tag is a huge selling point for me. It signals a few things:

1) It's less likely to be abandoned.

2) It has less (hopefully no) incentive to secretly monetize me or my data.

3) Instead of being a side project for a handful of people, this has the potential to be the full-time project for at least one person.

I was a heavy Pidgin user too, and when you're in an arms race with Google, Facebook, etc. (all of whom are trying to keep their gardens walled in), the work becomes too much for volunteers. Much of it is not rewarding.

Pidgin was gradually and quietly abandoned, so I'm not excited about the prospect of using something that has a similar fate.
I’m from Canada, so while we don’t have civil service points that I’m aware of, it sounds like the wage is similar. There’s a lot of overtime so people can definitely pull in more than $60k.

I was never part of the 6 figure startup scene commonly seen on HN. Plus, I worked for a super small company that didn’t pay well for my web development work so the letter carrier job is actually a horizontal move. At the moment, I think of it as a more enjoyable job with similar pay.
I managed to parse it, but there's a great grabber sentence down below that might be right at the top:

"Your data should be alive in 80 years, especially if you are." To which you might add, "We're here to help you make sure that's what happens". Then follow that with the "Things Perkeep believes ..." section.

After that, the mission is clear, how it works is clear (though many people might have -no idea- what 'Open source' is good for). Only Then (IMO) can you get away with going all technical on them!
Awareness and requests for understanding is not equal to blame. Please cite where you see the blaming.
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This is tangential to the original thread; the point isn't that the world is biased. Obama's face exists in the world. The issue is that the model is biased in a way that the world isn't.
I wonder if it is a staging / testing area for their site?

I've certainly done that before with a subdomain that I wanted on the actual internet.
Great comment and well put.
I vehemently disagree! Monolith apps are the worst; a single app should focus on doing one thing well.

Let's say I already own and use Little Snitch for monitoring traffic, but I want to install RansomWhere to detect malware. Do I get rid of Little Snitch even though I prefer it, or do I deal with having duplicate software on my machine?
yeah but in this case they brought on these extra channels and are spinning it as "continuing to innovate". they didn't need to bring these additional channels on. without these channels like for the past year or so, wouldn't the price have remained the same?

Or are you saying that these channel additions were part of an agreement or condition that to continue to offer some of the existing channels they needed to take the additional channels and charge more?
Woman Was Attacked by a Violent Bison
I think part of the problem here is that she's concerned that the data is biased because the people training it are biased. The data isn't racist, researchers choosing data are racist.

Pointing out the data is biased is just pointing at a secondary cause rather than the primary cause. The humans are the location in the chain of causality (i.e. a learning human) where permanent change is possible.
Application of law should always have room for judicial discretion. Mandatory minimum sentences should not exist, but then you get outrage over some light sentence here people get all riled over about and want to impeach judges and all.

Education is different. IQ shouldn’t be relevant but competency and aptitude should and in addition we should recognize some people are better off going to vocational school where they may do better economically during their lifetimes.
> I don't understand why they don't do that with YouTube channels too. Let users pay $1 or $2 a month to disable ads on a channel (or $10 a month for "YouTube Premium"). That seems much more sustainable than relying exclusively on ads for income and loosing potential subscription customers to Patreon. They could even offer higher priced, per-channel subscription tiers that ad flairs to comments and unlock emojis like Twitch.

Complex subscription options are one of the easiest way to lose subscribers.

> Twitch, Floatplane, and Patreon are all proof it's a viable strategy.

It's far from being proven:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/23/crowd-funding-platform-patre...
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/01/15/amazons-twitch-hit...

> Ad revenue has proven to be terribly unstable and YouTube is extremely expensive to maintain. They should be desperately trying to diversify their revenue.

Source? Alphabets ad revenue is extremely stable for the company and keeps on growing. So is YouTube share in it. Ad revenue for creators tho - that's a different story.
Fantastic recommendations. Thank you!
Sciter engine looks interesting. Do you know of good resources for learning how to use it? Like tutorials.
That's what I'm thinking, I just haven't seen anyone use a subdomain like "test" so blatantly
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Don't trust sites that say “Google Interview Question”
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Then why have you titled it Easter Island?

Because that's how most people interested in reading the article would recognize it. Had the title been 'Rethinking Rapa Nui's Historic "Collapse"', I would have certainly browsed right past. Perhaps many others might have as well.
Big Is Better: Is Deep Learning Rigged Against Smaller Labs?
I've been using Vim more and more in the past few months, but I still use VS Code primarily for a lot of my work. At work, I do a lot of Node/TS stuff, so VS Code just offers a whole wealth of tools that I'm already familiar with. I'm sure I could pimp out Vim to do it just as well, if not better, but I still enjoy VS Code.

Where Vim shines for me is for creating and editing small files. I use vim for my journal, quick edits, and data wrangling when I need to get something into a nicer form (most often scraping links to pipe somewhere else). It's a great interface for editing temporary data.

Also, knowing Vim if you ever need to SSH into a remote machine is a must in my eyes. Nano feels sluggish once you get a feel for Vim, and, as the article mentions, you can fine Vim almost everywhere you go.
Isn't the exactly what YouTube Premium is (https://www.youtube.com/premium)?
* youtube-dl single-handedly would justify installing termux

* rsync (backups, pulling audio files, pushing pictures)

* vim

* git/hg (all my notes live in a repo)

* random scripts (ex. When I was losing weight, I tracked calories with some shell scripts. I also have one that uses root and /system/bin/input to automate things.)
> There will be no accurate data for this because traits are subjective. Unlike other subjective predictive modeling, like sentiment analysis, I cannot feasibly think of a use-case for this that is not deeply disturbing.

This is a strange point. Are personality types subjective? Is IQ? Maybe they are, but we still sometimes find them useful to quantify. If it's ok to predict these things from your answers to questions...why isn't it ok to predict them from pictures of your face?
They addressed the law in a previous post, but basically there is a carveout for non-profit research that allows the retransmission of over the air signals to people in the US.
Is this article intended to be a sort of satire about medium.com posts and their irrelevant pics?
Also, consider that most of us here believe in the freedom to tinker, the freedom to use general purpose computing, and the freedom to freely share results.

These freedoms are also at stake here. "Banning bad AI research" is just an awful idea.
Funny, I think it's exactly the other way around -- people wring their hands about things that don't matter ("plastic in our bloodstreams") but tend to act appropriately. Don't panic. Carry on.

Treating a threat as existential is often enormously costly, and we reliably overestimate threats. Ignoring them is a good first response, if not always a good second one. Being a week or a month late to the current pandemic is less costly than locking down for SARS, mad cow, bird flu, swine flu, ...

Not to mention the times when we did overreact. The latest TSA budget is $8.24 billion dollars, or 824 lives per year (at a cost of $10 million per life), or 2.17 One World Trade Centers per year, or (verging into polemic) one 9/11 every four years.

Isn't the lesson that we tend to overreact? Sure, maybe it'll be a pandemic, and let's not completely discount the idea, but why not just lock the plane's cabin doors and see if it gets worse?
Look into Firejail.

https://firejail.wordpress.com/
The conventional TV channels don't allow their networks to be sold a-la-carte because they all make more money via the bundle than anyone would be willing to pay for their channels individually. Remember that most of these channels are related - for example, NBC owns Telemundo, SyFy, USA, Bravo, E!, Oxygen, etc. They sell all of those through bundles and keep $20/mo or so, but how many people would pay that much for any one of the channels, and how many people would actually buy them all?

I think everyone would love to just get their favorite channels for (let's say) $3/mo/channel with no ads... but that would be a huge loss for the media companies, so they won't sell that way.

Instead what we're seeing is disruption via alternative models, like Netflix, HBO, Apple TV+, and now even the biggest media owner (Disney) offering Disney+ and ESPN+ direct.

I'm not sure if conventional TV will still exist in its current form in a decade, but I don't think we'll ever see today's bundled TV become available a-la-carte, because it isn't compatible with that business model.
Police Become the Real Looters
Do you believe that industry uses pre-trained model that researchers release?

Do you believe that industry uses pre-made datasets that researchers promote in their work?

Would yes to the above two question be sufficient to show "use of biased datasets in research" is correlated with "biased outcomes in real world production deployments"?
Be aware it is max 3 streams at a time.
Crowdfunding Record ($28M): The Specific Tactics This Founder Used
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I find it interesting how we use vim so differently. I'd never type "10yy", I'd use "y9j". I never use "10G", I use ":10<CR>" (<CR> = enter for those not familiar). Similarly, "0G" is "gg" for me. Call me a notepad user, but that whole second snippet for me would be "ggV19j>" followed by "." until things lined up correctly. Similarly, the third would have been "V14j:s/a1/A1/g".

Nit pick: "q selects register q. A buffer is a different thing.
I think it does mean that other people can't be frustrated with that choice. It's very toxic behavior for me to jump into a conversation and tell people they're bad for not discussing other topics I find more important.
But it's completely on point, IMO: even if the model is biased against minorities in a way that the world actually is, it can be what we consider ethnically unfair.

You're worse off lending in traditionally black neighborhoods; the question is, is it ethical to make a map of all of these traditionally black neighborhoods and refuse to lend there? A model that takes this into account would be biased in the same way the actual world is, but many would consider it deeply racist and unfair.
It's not repetition though. It's more like a spiral. I like modern chat apps better. My parents and brother can use Signal but they never could use the previous solutions. Plus, vibrant ecosystems are a good thing. Having several chat applications that compete on features is a good thing.
I agree, PS Vue was the best alternative TV service IMO. Just worked perfectly on a great range of devices.
I doubt this is intentional. Google has no moat here - they own none of the content they provide, and the content owners have all the leverage over price.
I couldn't agree with you more, which is why tools/solutions that try to cater to all and sundry actually end up losing ground over time.

I believe there's room for an ATS that serves a certain niche of the market and nails it.
Jq is quickly becoming one of the most useful tools in devops.
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Except in practice, the vast majority of Amex users also have Visa/Mastercard just in case (e.g. Visa/Mastercard users are close to a superset of Amex users).
Basing your entire decision on something as simple as the applicant's income will presumably produce outcomes that differ with race. Is that what you mean by racist? Or do you mean the system identifies some individuals as high credit risk when they aren't and may actually lose money versus a more colorblind algorithm?
Between the awkward file navigation and the feeling of building my own editor from the ground up, I just never found it worthwhile to fully commit to Vim. So I work in VSCode in my day job.

What I did take from those efforts, though, was Vim's text navigation key bindings. They are a joy to use and most text editors have some sort of emulator for them. The beauty is in the chording, almost all of which maps to easily remembered mnemonics. Delete everything between quotes? Use di". Change curly brackets to square? Change surround, or cs{[. Once you've gotten used to switching between move and edit modes, you can layer these in bit by bit. At a certain point it becomes second nature and you do feel like you can edit code at the speed of thought. It's a powerful feeling.
> All judicial positions should have a set term, after which a new judge is appointed to the position, even at the Supreme Court level.

The problem with this is exactly the problem with all term limits: you can "sell" your decisions at the end of your term.

Example: Kentucky's former governor pardoned some incredibly repulsive people because they were donors (or connected to donors)[1] and he had already lost his election.

1. https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article238...
Like the chat bot version of dontevenreply.com, I love it.

If this doesn't exist already it really should! Simply season a mail forwarding rule to taste and watch hilarity ensue.
Picture a soccer ball in your mind.

Can you now count the black hexagons in view, or do you have to decide how many there are first?

(Ok, now did you notice that they aren't actually hexagons, they are pentagons?)
Just the images of what looks like what we think of as a modern behavior / interaction in the framework of an old film is sort of creepy / unnerving to me.
If you have diverse datasets, but your [prison recidivism, credit risk, or whatever] model doesn't like [giving light sentences to, issuing credit to] things correlated with being black... what then?

Or, for facial recognition, etc-- if you have done all the research with white faces, and then someone complains the system doesn't work for black people-- what then? Just saying "oh, with a different training dataset" to handwave things away doesn't mean that the resultant system will work well for minorities. The camera/optical system/etc may not like black people, too, and without additional validation you can't find these effects.

IMO, you don't need to know how to fix a problem where injustice is occurring to complain about and protest the injustice.
This is the buried lede in the article: they didn't deny the allegations, simply determined that it wasn't illegal (!)
> trying to pretend Android is Linux

It's literally a Linux system. I mean, yeah, Android/Linux isn't GNU/Linux, but there's literally a Linux kernel under there and it's certainly usable enough with termux or such providing a saner userland.
how old are you? teenagers think like that.
I'm confused. What does this do that Gmail doesn't already do?
Definitely. Another place the mathematics translates pretty cleanly to is financial leverage.

If you take a loan to expand your business and pull forward profits, or even rent property instead of buying it, you take tail risk but in normal times tend to outcompete.

I think it's an ironclad argument for regulation (and maybe government intervention) in insurance markets, and a good argument in many others -- Even though I'm generally in favour of some leverage.
Adding some more sources to show that these scholars are not raising issues without concrete solutions -- Gebru and others have proposed many solutions and more concrete problems than this easily solved question of statistical bias. They are mostly not focused on the issue of statistical bias, which is more or less beside the point to everyone, as LeCun and Gebru both pointed out.

Podcast:

- https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/science-friday/segments...

Articles:

- https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessm...

- https://themarkup.org/locked-out/2020/05/28/access-denied-fa...

- https://ainowinstitute.org/AI_Now_2019_Report.pdf

Book:

- https://www.ruhabenjamin.com/race-after-technology
Hulu Live TV has all those channels for $55.

https://thestreamable.com/matchmaker?channels=cnbc,espn,espn...
They want their dominant spot back. Not hard to understand.
I think the heart of what you're getting at lays in the world of ethnographies. Perhaps a cultural anthropologist would take a hand at documenting the process of developing for the Linux kernel, its rich history, and all the minutiae that go into it.
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American Spring (2016)
If you're looking for a new service, we built a tool that lets you add your favorite channels and makes a recommendation.

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I've read plenty of folks who claim they can watch a movie on the inside of their eyelids, an experience they claim is indistinguishable from watching it on a TV.
China admits to 'floodwater discharge' from Three Gorges Dam
As a POC, it bothers me that someone from the "corporate(or educated) class" of POCs always coming in to criticize those POC who have a legitimate concern about some injustice they are seeing. In this case Timmits concern is entirely valid and does not have a solution currently other than do not use ML for some applications. We benefit from Timmit and others voicing these valid concerns. Engineers always want to base everything on the data to take themselves out of what is being asked of them. It is not always possible to reduce problems to "the data". POC in particular should not be quiet when it comes to some of the issues around the questionable use of ML in relation to race and issues that are ultimately surrounding race.
Just the usual Hacker News racism we've come to know and despise. This site is rife with it, unfortunately.
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I think it might have been interacting with my ad-blocking, tbh. I dunno, I haven't touched LJ since they changed the TOS to say all gayness is forbidden.