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“move quickly and murder things”

As a fan of iterations in software development it’s irked me as some of the language has been picked up in the “real world.”

Moving fast and breaking things and minimum viable products only work if you’re reliably iterating and changing. It’s not a license to suck and procrastinate and only do fun things and assume someone will figure it out afterwards.

I worked with a colleague who had this cargo cult mentality to projects where ve would come in, say crazy stuff, promise everything, hire a random contractor and then move on. Ve called verself a “change agent” but never really changed anything other than the air in the room.
From TFA:

"Unfortunately, of course, the current rules would prevent Hey from advertising or even mentioning any upgraded service and that would have to be marketed through off-app channels."

I'm not sure, if it's explicitly forbidden to imply that there might be other payment methods.
How so? I'm looking at the Netflix app in the App store right now and it offers in app purchases. I don't have to sign up before using it. I can sign up in the app (I'm assuming based on this screenshot from the App Store - https://imgur.com/a/t6AqwEx). I already have an account. Not going to jump through hoops to try it out.

Edited: added screenshot
but that $99 charge is really a way to reduce trolls and scams. For regular us devs it almost meaningless, it blocks poor people in the west and third world devs.
Again, the rules are clear, readers are a specific exemption. I would say that Microsoft Office stands out in tht list as the only thing delivery functionality not content - but I don't know the details of that app.
If you become too touch-happy maybe you are editing more than you are moderating.

And if you edit more that you moderate maybe you don't deserve moderation protections.
That's not exactly the same scenario. If Ford allowed installing radios only via Ford and allowed other companies to sell radios via Ford, but then artificially restricted said radios so that its radios would have an advantage then it would apply, and I suspect that people would be upset.

Here's IMHO a better analogy: Apple is running a mall, while also operating a chain store operating in said mall. Apple Mall allows competitors to Apple Chain Store to rent stores in the mall.

However, it turns out that for some reason, there are "Beware of Leopard" signs near the competitor stores. Also, the public area near them is never cleaned or maintained, except for signs promising cheaper products at the Apple Chain Store (and the leopard signs of course).

Would that be legal? Apple Mall is hardly a monopoly. Despite losing the location, the other stores could move. None of the agreements specifically bans this.

For some reason though, I don't think that would fly - the other stores have a reasonable expectation that after paying rent Apple won't sabotage them. Just like companies paying for the Developer License and Apple Store tax have a reasonable expectation Apple won't unduly hinder them for its own products.
> This is insane and like pretty bigoted - not a good look for HN.

No, you're just projecting. This mindset of untrustworthy until proven otherwise is universally applied to all chat apps, from any country, it happens under pretty much every discussion of Facebook's Whatsapp and Messenger and it happens in discussions about WeiBo (and similar).
Add every single traditional bank to the list. If you don't have an existing contract with a bank you can download their app but you won't get past the login screen.
That is the logo of the 'iron front' and is quite popular among Antifa supporters in the US, though not in Europe so much.
> Some, like TikTok, don’t even need any explicit signal from you, they can decide whether you like something or not based on how long you pay attention to a video.

omg, can we stop doing that? i seldom open youtube on my phone now because of that! i want a more or less accurate recommendation feed and yet that feature messes up my near perfect watch history every time.
I hope they stop at extend this time.
Source? I believe you, but I am interested in learning more and I'm not finding anything. Would love to read if you have a link handy.
Hundreds of thousands of dollars to do in app purchases. As an example, do you really think Marco Arment - sole creator of Instapaper before he sold it, The Magazine, and now Overcast spent “hundreds of thousands of dollars” just to create in app purchases?
How about Gmail or Yahoo! Mail?
One of the reasons why we have front end apps pulling
from an API is because it allows for interoperability.

The same API that serves data to the web browser can
serve that data to mobile apps and to third parties as well.

I agree with the benefit of API interoperability, but I'd call that orthogonal to server-side rendering. Your server-side web app could be just another consumer of that repurposable API.

The idea of bringing HTML rendering back on to the server
just doesn't seem useful to me.

It's a streamlined developer workflow, for one. You have one renderer, not an infinite amount of client-side renderers. Easier one-stop-shopping debugging. And in reality, I feel that the promised performance gains of client-side rendering never truly materialized for many use cases.

For projects involving small teams and non-trivial amounts, this is a boon. Any backend dev can, at least, write code to spit out some semantically correct HTML. Somebody is going to need to work on the UI/UX at some point but not necessarily full-time.

Contrast with a client-side rendering approach. If there is any significant amount of backend engineering behind the site (there isn't always, of course) now you have two apps with two divergent skillsets and more often than not, you need a minimum of two developers.
If I lease space to you on a profit sharing based model (i.e. you don't have to pay any standard rent but you need to forward 20% of what you make in lieu of rent to use the space) and you start giving product away to customers for "free" but then force them to pay the actual price under the table then you're committing fraud. Whether you think 30% of transaction value is a fair price or not for the costs of running an AppStore (I don't think so - it's ridiculously high proportion-wise) that's the agreement. Apple comes down hard on people who run microtransactions via alternate payment methods in application on their platform and yet that's exactly what they're doing in the Play Store - it is something that Google allows, but it would violate Apple's ToS.
How is "reading my email from the hey server" different from "reading a video from the netflix server"?

Neither app functions without a separate, non apple subscription. The main criticism of Hey, from apples perspective, is that the app doesnt just work when you download it, but the same applies to netflix.

I personally think Hey could get around it by adding some other kind of feature to the app, like a way to read their blog. When it opens on IOS you have a "sign in" or "continue with the free version" and the free version aggregates basecamp marketing copies, as long as that free version isnt just a webview, but some enhanced native experience.

Can they also advertise the cost of their service, through the applepay experience, as "x+30% apple tax"?

With how much of their app is server side (nearly all of it, minus the translation from HTML to native,) I wonder how much they can get away with, without updating the client.

The other interesting thing about this dynamic is, Apple shipped Leopard with Ruby on Rails, which Basecamp created. So in the past, Apple took Basecamp's open source code to make OSX more valuable, but now when Basecamp wants to benefits its users, at no real cost to Apple, Apple says "not without paying us our cut." Maybe not morally wrong, but at least stinks of bad karma.
You're one of my favorite commenters here, and I find myself agreeing most of the time. But in this instance I really do think you're wrong. Here's why:

1. the context is specifically vilifying a loose collective of anti-fascists using a symbol that was used by nazis to mark (among others) anti-fascists.
2. the source is a president who definitely exhibits fascist tendencies, and is very popular with white supremacists.
3. there's a history of weird borderline dog-whistling (see the Twitter thread linked to elsewhere. I think it makes a pretty good case.).
4. if the 'removed 88 ads' is correct, surely that's a very weird coincidence?

I'd say that if the 88 thing is false, I might believe the 14 words thing is a coincidence. But that doesn't change the fact that the red triangle or even the weird focus on antifa as being a terrorist organization is deeply worrying to me.

I am generally skeptical of conspiracy theories, but this one really does strike me as too coincidental to actually be a coincidence.

That said, I also wouldn't be surprised if it's more of a 'trolling' thing than Trump going 'mask off' or whatnot. I'm only arguing that I don't think it's a coincidence.

EDIT: I'll add that considering the popularity of Trump among white supremacists and trolls, it's quite possible that someone somewhere in the organization got to make an ad and decided to fill it up with incindiary dog-whistles. That scenario still makes me uncomfortable, as I really don't want 4chan anywhere near the most powerful country in the world, but it would make the whole thing less of a conspiracy theory. I truly believe Trump is too dumb to have any kind of consistent ideology, so it's possible.
You've been able to do that for a while now. Without a paid developer account you can self-sign any app you want to run for 7 days. With a paid developer account you can install whatever private apps you want.
Netflix is excluded by the "Reader exception".

>Apps may allow a user to access previously purchased content or content subscriptions (specifically: magazines, newspapers, books, audio, music, video, access to professional databases, VoIP, cloud storage, and approved services such as classroom management apps), provided that you agree not to directly or indirectly target iOS users to use a purchasing method other than in-app purchase, and your general communications about other purchasing methods are not designed to discourage use of in-app purchase.

According to Apple/Phil Schiller, any application not explicitly mentioned in this category must offer subscriptions as IAP.

>"We didn't extend these exceptions to all software," said Schiller. "Email is not and has never been an exception included in this rule."

Gmail doesn't actually have to offer Google One subscriptions through the Gmail application. I imagine they are covered by the "cloud storage" exception, which makes me wonder if Hey could also get around it by giving Hey users some cloud storage with their email subscription.
I believe Apple specifically called this out in the past. Something about running to the press won’t help your case.
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Income doesn't matter. As long as your account has funds, you trade with those until they're depleted.

You don't get access to options by default, and even then there are levels of approvals before you can do advanced trades. If they require margin, your broker will keep watch and instantly liquidate if you go negative. That's the whole point of a "margin call".

It's very rare that a broker will lose money because of a retail trader.
If Apple are taking issue with this being a “consumer” email service, Fastmail[0] have exactly the same setup, download the app but have to go to website (no direct links) to signup and pay. How is it not also blocked?

My only thoughts are that fastmail is also accessible through imap and has corporate accounts with centralised billing. If Basecamp add company accounts to Hay, which they have always said is coming later in the year, does that not fix the problem?

[0] https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/fastmail-email-calendar/id9313...
This. After doing some research, as far as I can tell a 32" 4K maximizes the amount of content you can see at one time within a comfortable viewing angle and without needing scaling to make text readable.

At typical desk monitor distances you shouldn't be able to see distinct pixels anyway.
How do you "get a pass if you're big enough"? If you're trying to use Netflix or Spotify as an example of big companies getting a pass then it'd have to only apply to them. But it doesn't.

Smaller subscription video or music apps could use the same section in the App Review Guidelines for "Reader" apps to have an app without in-app purchases that you buy outside the App Store.
No it doesn’t.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/12/28/netflix-no-more-itunes-...

Edit: I usually don’t comment on downvotes but what the hell?

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/25097

iTunes billing for Netflix is not available to new or rejoining Netflix customers.

If you are attempting to create an account on an iOS mobile device, you can sign up on Netflix.com using a mobile browser and will be prompted to provide an alternate method of payment.
The White Island eruption was forecasted though. It's just that tourists kept going there regardless.
Not to mention it dirties up version control. It's a lot easier to tell which _significant_ things changed from the last commit when you're scanning a diff and no formatting changes are highlighted.
You don’t have to, the US navy’s role in securing free trade on the seas speaks for itself.
> "All the rules they're citing should apply to Gmail and Outlook as well," Hansson told Axios. "

I agree Apple is being inconsistent here, but not vis a vis gmail and outlook. Those are free services, so they’re not the right comparison. Apple doesn’t require IAP for these because there is no payment involved.

Netflix, on the other hand, proves that Apple does allow apps that are useless unless the user has a separate subscription.
> So why not just publish the recipe?

Agree!

However, apparently some things can't be changed after installation?
So the ad had run 88 times when Media Matters took the screenshot?

Then if it had continued to run, wouldn't it have run more than 88 times? Or possibly it did run again before Facebook took it down, and actually did run more than 88 times?

Now I'm picturing Media Matters watching the ad counter like teenage boys watching an odometer approach 80085.
Isn't Superhuman using TestFlight to get around the App Store problem? That was the case last I heard of it.
What's a big framework to you? is React one?
There are a lot of surface level coal deposits right now that can be harvested with hand tools. It’s simply a question of efficiency, if a deposit is not vast nobody turns it into a mine.
It turns out that the bio-molecular machinery that neurons use to do their thing is also present throughout all cells. In other words, all life thinks. Brains are just concentrations of thinking tissue.

"What Bodies Think About: Bioelectric Computation Outside the Nervous System" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjD1aLm4Thg https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18736698
That’s been the claim for as long as they existed, and one that Microsoft employees like to respond with in the media (and behind closed doors). It’s not true though. I have talked to some of the early PZ folks and they are unwavering in their devotion to sincerely held beliefs that they are making the internet safer. They feel strongly that their hard disclosure deadline is a critical component of this and they stick to those principles, even when it is unfavorable to Google.

The only reason that deadline exists is because many vendors have had a long history of taking advantage of researchers who agree to embargo details of their work while the vendors work on a fix. Bugs were going unfixed for years.

It has been my observation that this strategy only partially worked. The main thing that happened is that vendors now won’t sit on Google reported vulns, because they know Google are not bluffing, but they’re still generally happy to take their sweet time if the report comes from someone else. I know of some companies who put PZ bugs in a special queue to fast track them.

I think it has done a little bit in terms of setting norms for shorter disclosure timelines though.
Is there anything none free about either?
Apple/iOS has 100% on their platform. Noone stopped you back then from buying an Apple PC, installing Linux or BSD etc. either. Noone stopped you from installing an alternative browser on either Windows or Android, yet they got slapped for it.
They see it as ransom.
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I don't think this is a particularly good analogy.

If 7-11 doesn't sell a bible and I want to buy a bible, I go to another store that sells bibles and buy one there. It's not like my house will refuse to allow me to bring a non-7-11 product inside.

If the iOS App Store doesn't sell a particular app, then I have no alternative (aside from "buying a different house", which IMO is unreasonable), because Apple doesn't let non-App-Store apps onto iOS devices.
I would make this Step #1 to the 5 or 6-step processes outlined above. Gets most of the important migration out of the way with a little work the first day.
> provided that you agree not to directly or indirectly target iOS users to use a purchasing method other than in-app purchase

Netflix does exactly this. In fact, Hey uses nearly the exact same wording that Netflix does, almost word-for-word.
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This sounds like some inception from the far right to trick the far left into sounding insane.

I’m not sure if there’s a more far fetched wedge issue that drives the middle away than this. I though completely open borders was as interesting as I found, but “change human nature to never crime” is even better.

There’s a great science fiction book called “The Demolished Man” by Alfred Bester about a future society where criminals were rehabilitated rather than imprisoned.
What about Fastmail? (https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/fastmail-email-calendar/id9313...)
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Read the full statement that Apple gave to Hey and the media [1]. If Hey made their email client a standard works with any email account then it'd be fine without in-app purchases. The specific Hey service could be purchased outside the App Store if they want to avoid giving Apple a cut.

[1] https://twitter.com/markgurman/status/1273719726196187136
The secondary effect you mention is absolutely the case. There is unlimited media and unlimited platforms on which to consume it. "Content" is truly a commodity now. I would like to try to make watching movies/tv a special thing again for myself, as opposed to little more than background noise. I think this will require careful curation and research, rather than just trusting an algorithm.
Talking about "hardcore opposition" is a bit of a straw man. Put me in the continual "softcore opposition" camp. I don't care about it enough to move away from Debian or figure out how to switch to another init, and I was never in love with SysV init, but every time I have to debug systemd it's a pain in my ass.

Systemd suffers from being an underspecified declarative system. They look great when things work, but when they go wrong you're left with an opaque mess. For example, creating a dependency loop results in arbitrary units simply being dropped at boot time. On a desktop machine, you might only realize this when trying to figure out why some service didn't start and digging through the logs!

Of course there is nothing else systemd could possibly do instead, given a loop in a dependency DAG (besides refuse to boot completely). The problem is the design decision of using a simplistic data model that fails in that spectacular and unintuitive way.
With Fastmail you're essentially buying the app as much as the service.

If you want reliable email service without the nice app, there are much cheaper alternatives.
Maybe it's the number of users. If the iPhone was the phone you can't watch Netflix with (or any similar service), maybe a lot of people would buy an Android device.
This is like saying McDonald's have a monopoly because you can only buy McDonalds in a McDonalds restaurant... go somewhere else if you don't want the McDonalds menu.
There's an emerging model of soil as a single living organism, in this milieu earthworms are the "guts" of the soil.
> There is another degree of freedom here: project cost. Why on earth does 0.32 miles of residential road cost $1.5M? Having just managed a construction project much larger than this stretch of road myself, I am certain that a lot of the blame here lies with the contracting process as well as outrageous fees (and just sheer inefficiency) from the engineers and contractors. There is no valid reason this should be so expensive. In the rest of the world, I guarantee you they are not paying over a million dollars for something like this and their standards are just as high if not higher.

Numbers can vary quite a bit but 1m of road costs about 10000 euro [1] in Germany. So this seems cheap in comparison. Mind you the quality is also quite a bit better. I never understand the complaints about investment in infrastructure and having to pay for it in taxes. I'm generally glad to pay taxes and get a functioning society. But then again the country I live in also does not spend as much on military as the next 6 or 7 next countries combined. Funnily enough the same people who complain about taxes for the road in front of their house hardly ever complain about that.

[1] https://www.google.com/url?q=https://rp-online.de/nrw/landes...
These are all exempted app categories. Email is not:

> “You download the app and it doesn’t work, that’s not what we want on the store,” says Schiller. This, he says, is why Apple requires in-app purchases to offer the same purchasing functionality as they would have elsewhere.

To be clear, this is against the App Store rules for most apps. The exceptions here are apps that are viewed as ‘readers’ that only display external content of certain types like music, books and movies — and apps that only offer bulk pricing options that are paid for by institutions or corporations rather than the end user.

Schiller is clear on our call that Hey does not fit these rules.

“We didn’t extend these exceptions to all software,” he notes about the ‘reader’ type apps — examples of which include Netflix. “Email is not and has never been an exception included in this rule.”
Section 3.1.3a[1] of the App store review guidelines. There is an explicit distinction drawn between free apps that allow you to access purchased content.

[1]https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#rea...
People are still creating great stuff along these lines - you just won't find it through Google or Facebook or most of Reddit. Complex, interesting hypertext creations and web sites are still everywhere. But try typing "interesting hypertext" into Google or Facebook and see where it gets you. You can't search for something that's off the beaten track.

This is where directories come back in. Check some of these out:

* https://marijnflorence.neocities.org/linkroll/

* https://neonaut.neocities.org/directory/

* https://webring.xxiivv.com/ (which led me to this gem: https://dreamwiki.sixey.es/)

Competing with Google in search has become an insurmountable task. Personal directories attack from the opposite direction (human curation, no algorithm) in a way that actually puts Google far behind. It's kind of exciting and unexpected.