skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
There's no sense in having a discussion if you can't assume good faith. Similarly, if you are going to tell me my position, then why are we talking?

You put the cart before the horse when you accuse me of using a rhetorical technique to take the 'moral high ground'. Wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume that my reluctance to pass judgement on either party informs my statements?

You selectively quote me and ignore that I've also said that the police could have 'let it ride'. If it helps you any, I'll say here that arresting journalists is generally a bad move. Sorry if that wasn't clear from the outset.

The statements you quote were in response to the suggestion that one side was in a position of power. Symptomatically, you divorce this from context as you seek to find meat for your partisan cleaver.

As humans our views are subjective and fallible. The problem of induction etc. If I want to find fault I can most probably nit pick each respective side for hours. No, this is not an invitation to level further criticism on either party. I think we have had enough of that and it isn't getting us anywhere.

You establish the options as Pepsi and Coke and demand that I must choose a cola. Yet, I am not interested in these sugary, carbonated beverages. Here's my view: Partisan takes are all a bunch of gas, short term stimulation with no nourishment.

I'll repeat myself again in case you're still not following. Narrow views, divorced of context are not serving us well. They create a divisive atmosphere. Each respective side engages in outrage culture while offloading responsibility for the ugly outcomes onto their adversary.

Choosing not to participate and a reluctance to rush to judgement isn't a rhetorical technique. It is an acknowledgement that the choices laid before us represent a false dichotomy. It is a rejection of the toxicity of outrage culture. Thank you.
It's not a minor issue. It detracts significantly from the really issue at hand, making it nearly impossible to engage with protestors in a dialog as the small number of folks intent on violence and looting take all of the resources and attention, severely undermining the point of the protests, especially because it provides those disinclined to sympathy for the real issue to paint all with the same brush and so dismiss them.
> How would you feel if someone took your output without permission, whether it's designs or code or something else unique and hard to make? How would you feel if people cheered this on, or called for your demise, suggesting that the world would be a better place without your work?

How would you feel if some aging industry held back the creation of the society of the future simply because they don't belong in it?

The entire publishing industry has been rendered obsolete by modern technology. They exist to make and distribute copies of books. We have far better ways to do that now. The only reason they still exist is the fact they own the intellectual property. The government has granted them a monopoly that will last over a hundred years. That is literally the only reason why they're able to compete with vastly superior technology.

The truth is copyright makes no sense in the 21st century. When copyright was created, people had to be major industry players in order to make copies at scale. People needed industrial hardware like printing presses. This is no longer the case: everyone has at least one computer, making copies now costs $0 and is as easy as copy paste. Once the data is known it's trivial to make copies and distribute them. People infringe copyright every day without even realizing it.

Only the first copy must be paid for. Authors must find a way to get paid before they write their books. Crowdfunding and patronage might be the answer. Creation must be like an investment rather than a product to be sold. Insisting on maintaning the archaic copyright industry means ignoring reality.
Is it? Is it wrong to remove someone's freedom of movement... After they assault someone? Removing someone's freedom of movement (jailing them) is Wrong, after all.
2. They are not. http://blog.archive.org/2020/03/24/announcing-a-national-eme...
That stat becomes more useful when you take into account black Americans are roughly 15% of the population.
I for one am glad. I switched back to fedora for the first time in nearly a decade from Ubuntu because I don't like Snap. I don't like that I have to run a daemon just to get access to my installed applications.

I found another problem using Snap when using KeepassXC. Browser integration couldn't work because of the isolation that Snap provides. A lot of apps that do their jobs by interacting with your environment all of a sudden become a moot point.

It's sort of like how on Windows I still like installing MSIs over using the Windows store nine times out of 10. Anything in the Windows store can do its job by being super isolated and must therefore be a toy. That's not entirely true but it is definitely how I feel about it.
Ahh got it. Oh boy.
I tried to install Arch a month ago, and after about 20-30 mins of doing some progress I gave up. It did not feel like it was time well-spent for a non-Linux (at the time) person.
> Would you feel that way if they came and burned your house or business down?

Yup, and I have the receipts to prove it: my motorcycle was vandalized in Oakland during the protests. A small price to pay for unsung voices being heard.

You say violence is violence, yet I bet you have no problem with criminals being put in jail, i.e. their freedoms being violently removed from them.
Google Search is an index, it can do whatever decision it like. If we don't like it, we can use other indices, even better, we can build more alternatives.

The web is a open network. Anyone can share content as well as indices. I know it's mostly impossible to beat google, but niche indices has their place to shine.

For example, here, HN is an index of hand picked (mostly great) content, and there are multiple "unofficial" HN variances. See? the web is very diverse and free.
Hi kragen. It was written by one of the Lab's directors. Here is a link to his page: http://cs.brown.edu/~seny
Persian native here. Every now and then I tell myself it's time to start translating some of the books that interest me and that haven't been translated already, but then I find myself reading some related books (translated to Persian/Farsi) and after seeing some of the ridiculous terms used for the translations, I just give-up and postpone the entire idea for some uncertain future.

I personally have to guess some of the meanings and for some other words/terms I need a Persian/English dictionary (not even sure if it exists or that I can find anything up-to-date) to figure out what the translator meant.

We have an "Academy of Persian Language and Literature" which comes up with "Persian" terms/words for most things but a lot of them will almost hardly ever be used even on public television which is (almost) entirely operated by the government itself.

I remember 11 years ago when I attempted to register a company there which the name had to be made-up of a minimum of 3 words and that I had chosen "digital" as one. They rejected the my request and asked me to use the equivalent term which wasn't even Persian and came from Arabic and that no-one even uses today. At the same time I remember there was a national competition about "digital" media with ads running on every tv channel using the exact word "digital" in them... Sent an email to the president of that academy which comes up with these translations and rules (also chairman of the parliament at that time) expressing my feeling, obviously never got a response nor anything changed. I never registered their proposed version as it would've just been a laughing stock had I gone with it.
>> "Download", for example, is literally translated to a word that doubles as taking something down via a crane

As an only English speaker, I dont see any problem with that or understand why it would be funny. To transfer a pile of material down to the ground via crane seems like a good metaphor for transferring a pile of data down from the cloud.
I have something to say but I know my anecdote experience isn't worth much so I will shut. If I had a choice again, at the cost of being in poverty in future, I wouldn't go to school let alone college.

It has given me enough PTSD as a young person that despite all the evidence and stories of success or barrier to entries, I personally wouldn't choose that path and I have had a poverty driven life my early childhood so I am aware of how it is. It is better. Buying a bottle of sodium nitrite or jumping from a tall building doesn't cost much or require years of mental fatigue.

Although there are certainly more factors than school behind this. School just amplified it.

Some young people do evaluate all the risks and potential of backfiring it. They live in fear of it but no one cares about why.

It's fine to be emotional from a whitelist of decisions you can take but it's not fine to do that for school or college.

There is no safety net for these students in most places. Even if there is, I bet most parents are wholly unaware and know how to handle the situation.

There are no in-person learning places, resources whatsoever. All of them half baked. A lot of open source or coding/cs initiatives now a days require you to be a student at some college. People selectively filter out those all the time. Great! They have plenty good enough reasons to do this but that doesn't mean I have to see them in the good light because it does say that I am worth less because I wasn't willing to be a punching bag for longer.

Young people also tend to bully others about this more than the adults.

If someone asked me whether they should go to college or finish school, I would totally yes if they are fine.

But if that person had a terrible experience, driven to taking anti depressants, mood stabilizers and being on shit ton of anxiety pills out of that. I would tell them to quit after reconsidering the consequences. It's cruel people think otherwise. If all you could have is suffering and all people say it gets better, it's cruel bullshit because they aren't in the same situation. Anyone's reaction to their finger burning down isn't to wait for it to pass or follow the protocol on how to put out the fire or treat wounds unless they have been extensively taught. It's to panic and take the most emotionally rational decision they can take to protect themselves which sometimes might be different from what you should have done. Would you blame that person?
Makes sense. Dang, thanks for the explanation. You do a tremendous job as a monderator keeping HN true to its ambitions.
so, does anyone even use Debian anymore?
And if you do, what for (no, rPIs don't count)
Honestly 2 and 3 are the reason I probably wont go back outside of CS (and even then, a lot of what I've seen is mediocre at best) most of the online degrees I've seen are absolute garbage. And I make too much money to he able to afford full time in-person school, but not enough to self fund a bachelors degree at what it would cost me.
Actually there are numerous instances of presidents using active duty troops on its own soil. And this doesn't even include the military police or navy/marines which may or may not fall under the act.

After designating antifa as a terrorist organization, and with some governors and mayors either inept, reluctant, or both to use law enforcement or national guard to protect the citizens who don't want to be held hostage to the whims of these riots, it absolutely falls within his purview. The 82nd and 101st airborne divisions have experience with insurgencies, most of these terrorists would likely be completely eliminated within several weeks at most.
The number of obstacles that LIDAR could prevent hitting, which Autopilot would not pick up, over the average life of a car, is very small.

Whether LIDAR would be worth the money is, I suppose, an academic exercise. You could calculate the number of Teslas involved in such crashes, and divide the price of a Tesla by the price of LIDAR, to decide if it is worth it (I suspect not, at current prices), but ultimately, things will happen even with LIDAR. It isn't a silver bullet.

I'm on my second Tesla. I'm totally biased. It has saved me from inattention several times. I probably wouldn't actually have crashed any of those, but I might have. Regardless, I'm glad I have it, and I am safer with it than without it. Sure, I could screw up and crash on autopilot, but it would be easier to crash without autopilot.
Things tend to break down when the leadership gets off on harassing the otherside, add to that a feelings of disenfranchisement and it's a recipe for disaster
Very interesting article! Though I have to point out that the turnips are nothing new to animal crossing. It has been around since the first game (North American release on the game cube at least).
I was assuming a car that cost $30K and lasted 15 years.

The parent seemed to be talking about cars in general, so I wasn't referring to Teslas in particular.

I can try this again using some different sources and methods.

- GDP of $1000 equates to about 1540 pounds CO2.[1]

- Each pound of CO2 implies about a kWh based on average power generation intensity.[2]

- Therefore, a $30K car implies 30 x 1540 or about 46,200 kWh.

- Divided by 15 years and by 365 days gives about 8.5 kWh per day.

So, I was probably off by a lot, and may still be off, but I feel like my point is intact, because 8.5 kWh still almost doubles the energy requirement originally stated. It's not negligible.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_intensity

[2]https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=74&t=11
oh noes! lactating soibois gonna throw a hissy!
But hopefully you care about one much, much more than the other. They are not comparable in terms of needing discussion at this moment in history.

(Edit: In the event that you honestly don't know which one is the more important topic, right now or pretty much any other time - police frequently murdering black people or some store windows getting smashed and merch stolen - it's the police murdering black people.)
Paper which predicted the next 700 programming languages. In 1966 [pdf]
I think that's where I first learned the term "corner the market".
The prices I'm seeing right now on craigslist are tending more towards 30-50% decrease, not 10-15%

It is pretty insane, I don't see why anyone wouldn't move to a new place. The only thing that is making me think twice is that I'm in a rent controlled place right now and there's no way I would move to a non-rent controlled place.
It seems like there is some serious disinformation/psych ops working overtime across the internet right now; the tone is weirdly hostile

As someone who has been online since the late 1980's, this sentence can easily apply increasingly to the Internet since around 2014 onwards.

I'm afraid the days of an open internet are quickly closing.

That ship sailed years ago. You're just not in one of the groups being actively censored or "good as lied about" yet.
Just go to ">>" and the "browse hierarchy of tags"

The menu buttons have tool tips.
We had a peaceful protest in Kansas City on Friday where some police joined in, listened to protestors, took a knee with the protestors, and the mayor joined the protest as well. It was peaceful and all over the news.

The very next day we had several trucks unloading beds of bricks and large rocks throughout the Plaza (where protests were and would be again that night) throughout the day and people were snapping videos of at least two buses full of protesters in the full black getup unloading on the edge of the Plaza a few hours before sundown. That night we had 85 arrests, multiple cars set on fire, multiple officers put in the hospital, and plenty of CS gas in the streets.

After seeing the peaceful protest on Friday, I find it a little bit suspicious that the crowds grew so quickly and things escalated so quickly (and intentionally, by the looks of people dropping of brick caches) just 24 hours later.
I've only ever heard protesters described as "animals" by people that are also happy to throw around the word "thug" and smugly pretend both aren't racist dogwhistles.
I think one of the ways to stop them is to create a platform that the influencers/posters find more attractive so they jump ship. Apparently only like 1% of users post the majority of content.

What are the main features you'd like to see on a new platform?
Philadelphia takes a split approach. See below:

The city has mandated residency requirements for nearly all city employees since the 1950s, but police and some other public workers are exempt, The Philadelphia Tribune reports. Approximately 30 percent of Philadelphia police officers live outside of Philadelphia, according to Acting Commissioner Christine Coulter.

In 2010, the police union won the right for officers who have five or more years of experience to live outside the city limits. Those terms have been in effect since 2012. Firefighters and sheriff’s deputies with five or more years of service were allowed to live outside of the city in 2016.
I don't read that article as supporting the title that descalation leads to less violence. it does discuss evidence for escalation being correlated with more violence. but you can't blanket say that's causal.

These are complex situations that don't follow rules. The mob consists of peaceful protesters, violent protesters and looters. people's membership in any of these groups can be multiple and shift over time.

it's not reasonable for police to make an assessment who is who on the ground because their job is not to be a jury. what is reasonable is that once a gathering crosses the threshold of criminal activity it becomes illegal.

one solution is to just arrest everybody after giving them time to disperse. but to do that you need overwhelming numbers. not always the resources to do that.

you can't just stand there and let people beat you, stab you, lob projectiles at you. you have to respond to that force with force. You also need to protect property again using force.

again unless you have overwhelming numbers you can't engage in hand-to-hand combat or using battons. this strategy cannot be used by itself to bring the crowd under control. so each officer needs a force multiplier some sort of tool that can effect multiple people. it's a given that in such situations any such tool will affect multiple people even those doing nothing violent.

tear gas and rubber bullets are okay tools. but I think there needs to be more. when a patient becomes psychotic and dangerous in a hospital or asylum you don't mace their face. you give them a sedative. instead of CS gas it would be great if there was some sort of sedative gas to just slow people down enough to sap their will to continue.

police have to handle the situations as best they can using the tools they have.

I don't think you can say that big protests are all about the death of one man or the treatment of one group. I think the causes of people's unhappiness here is systemic and this is probably just an outlet where people feel now we can stand up.

the police can't cure the people of their anger no matter what they do.

when I see this chaos, I remember ahow US media lionized what happened in Hong Kong not even 1 year ago, and I can't help thinking of the proverb, people in glass houses....
White protestors were allowed to occupy a state building with guns without a single bit of teargas.
Hardly. The civil rights movement is an excellent example of civil opposition done peacefully and effectively. It helped that there were many strong leaders in that movement across the country. Right now the energy is chaotic and undirected, without a strong voice of leadership to act as both the vanguard of the protests as well as the negotiators of change.
It seems pretty clear that while the AutoPilot technology may be cool or fun, it is nowhere near ready for full-self driving as Tesla has marketed it as. Using cameras + radar + neural networks may not be enough - no matter how cool the underlying software stack is.

Similarly, I also question other self-driving car manufacturers (Waymo, Cruise, Uber) approaches using a Lidar/Radar/Camera suite.

The long tail of the problem is immense and going to take years to solve with the current technology.

To me it's clear that a new set of technologies that are more dynamic and responsive going into unknown situations is going to be needed to make it "foolproof" (if that is even possible at all).

Disclaimer: This is coming from someone who naively thought full-self driving cars would already be on the road by now back in 2015
We should be very clear though that civil disobedience and disruptive protest is absolutely not the same thing as violence and looting. In Austin TX protestors blocked the major highway through downtown, which is obviously very disruptive, but IMO did not warrant cops shooting rubber bullets/bean bags indiscriminately into the crowd.
I was assuming 15 years, but I was also assuming too high an energy intensity; please see my other follow-up.
A 386 assembler I used in the late 80s (when the 386 was still new) consistently referred to 32-bit quantities in its documentation and error messages as a "dord", so that's what came to mind when I read this article. I assume that was also either because of a "propagating typo" from "dword" (this was software from Eastern Europe, where English wasn't all that common), or because it seemed more convenient to have "byte", "word", and "dord" all be the same number of characters.
Nevertheless it's true. Autopilot as seen in countless movies now means "set it and forget it" to more people than a rudimentary aeronautical cruise control.
I'd think why would anyone not live in a dense city once life comes back? Suburbs are pretty boring.
Charlie Brown the NASA Space Station
>I am the owner of the company, and there's nothing I can do to expel them?

"I am the owner of this computer, yet I can't know whether it will run a certain problem in finite time?"

"We are the dominant species on this planet, yet we can't change its course towards Alpha Centauri?"

Ownership is more of a negative than positive good---that is, ownership means you own something more than other people, not that you're omnipotent regarding it.

A human can own a computer yet still be unable to get it to do something.

"Never attribute to scarcity what can be attributed to technical debt."
Did 50% of infected lose their sense of smell or taste?
From my experience a protest usually becomes exactly as violent as the police initiates. In every protest I’ve attended the police is always the most violent actor.
Your motorcycle isn't your shelter and vandalism isn't typically complete destruction.
> A noisy network service turned on by default...

It's not installed by default in the author's example; they specifically install it in the Docker image.

> In my opinion, modern systems shouldn't run services in case something needs them, they should be dynamically loaded and unloaded (isn't this what dbus is for??).

That's exactly how it works in Debian today.

> ...how systemd was forced on unwilling users because of features like this...

systemd wasn't forced on anyone. If you're an "unwilling user", use a distribution that doesn't use systemd! But systemd does support socket activation, which is the exact feature you're claiming doesn't exist!
The lesson will not be learned. The only thing that will happen is that even more excess force will be justified, and our civil liberties will go away in the name of order and safety.
Coronavirus will haunt US economy for a decade and wipe out $8tn, says CBO