skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
You see, india is way bigger than Singapore or many smaller countries that were able to create more privacy friendly apps than this.

And you can find many open source tools/spec as well. Even after all that, the government is going with this?

Also, it's not about the app but past behaviour of the government. It doesn't seem sincere in the slightest. And democracy makes it so you can't change something if the masses doesn't want it and the masses don't care.

And if you want to change masses, remember that many famous people who changed the world were killed or lynched by the mob.

People are not altruistic. If they think something can benefit them somewhat, they will do it but if there are no upsides, only downsides. Why would you do it?
> should justify with actual evidence why they're not appropriate

The justification is incompetent (not trying to insult govt workers here but you know only people who got no private jobs in engineering look towards govt jobs) because the smart people wont join govt jobs because govt jobs don't pay as much.

I don't think govt needs to say it out loud because it would change nothing and helps no one.
It is thought that wide spread contamination of food with
lead, caused by lead cookware used by the elite, is the origin of the demise of the Roman empire.
I think you mean "SEEKING WORK".
1% of India’s population is 13.4 million people.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1%25%20of%20India%20pop...

That is 1913 days of deaths by starvation at the rate you specify.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1%25%20of%20India%20pop...

Five and a quarter years.
Over time this will lead to backlash towards mobile technologies from people. Not that big tech does not deserve it after decade of pushing hard on surveillance tech and telling governments how great it is. No country wants a completely anonymous app because it's useless. And abuses like these show already the ugly side of it.

If i knew my phone is bugged, i d leave it at home.
You misunderstand. C++ is Turing-complete at compile time, due to template metaprogramming. This demonstrates that it isn't a context-free grammar.

This isn't true of all programming languages.
The thing is that this is too much magic. You end up wasting time getting your literal right. Whereas Cs solution is simple and just works.
Life is bubbling up to seafloor with petroleum from deep below
Good point about the necessity of embodiment. I would go one step further and consider the environment, which is the source of evolution and knowledge, a simple environment like Atari games can't even begin to compare with the human society and world we experience. What makes us human has a lot to do with the dynamics of interacting with the other humans, an AI would need to be part of society to experience that.
The ideal case isn't running OS X, it's for (Apple to allow) Windows (or Linux) to output OS X builds. Switching to OS X doesn't solve that. A quick read of Apple's license would imply that's prohibited, thus it's a clever bit of rules lawyering to suss out that Apple's license doesn't require that their software be running on bare-metal on OS X, just Apple hardware. This means it's possible to output OS X builds while not running OS X, in limited cases with the proper configuration.
> why don't you go into govt jobs making these apps/policies and do what you believe is correct/perfect.

Because that's not how bureaucracies work.

> but 'lets not do it because it has potential for abuse' cliche needs to phase out.

I can think of many privacy breaches that could have been prevented if people took that approach. If Facebook had actually properly risk assessed their platform in 2012 they would have saved themselves a huge amount of Cambridge Analytica related pain down the line.

Can you think of any product or service that has failed because people properly risk assessed it for abuse? I can't.
So we should give all this data to the foreign companies instead of our own elected govt? Because surely they would never abuse it?

> Because there is a large body of evidence throughout history that suggests exactly this.

Yeah, one govt tried that, people didn't like it and people won. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(India)
Does the Jepsen test require you to host the databases or can you test a system completely remotely?
This is a matter of public health in a very serious pandemic. There cannot be privacy for this to work and a little bit less privacy is a very little inconvenience in comparison of the effect of the pandemic.

The people who tested positive must be known, the people who came in close contact with them must be known. Testing, quarantines, and self-isolation must be enforced.

For tracing apps to work they must also be running on the vast majority of smartphones so this also cannot be left to the good will of people.

This is common sense. Countries and people that have understood that, e.g. Korea, Taiwan, have crushed the virus. The sooner the virus is crushed the sooner we can forget about tracing apps.
Does Rust allow for fast unoptimised builds then? Perhaps I'd missed that.
Walmart is piloting a pricier 2-hour ‘Express’ grocery delivery service
No one who actually cares can fight in all the fronts they believe would be worth it. Only those blind to their surroundings can. This is the only cliche here that needs to phase out.
Yes, but it is the difference to other programming languages.

In C you cannot encode a Turing machine that is executed by the compiler at compile time. In Brainfuck you cannot encode a Turing machine that is executed by the compiler at compile time. In C++ you can encode a Turing machine that is executed by the compiler at compile time.

That is the difference we are discussing here.
How many people are dead due to covid so far?

I am making a bad faith argument but that doesn't mean proposing the 1% of entire country will die due to not having a privacy invasive contact tracing app.
The short term solution is to turn your phone off. If plausible deniability is needed, just let the battery ran out.

Long term, the proper solution is political rather than technical though.
Damn, you're right, was being stupid. Duh.
Have you actually read any of the descriptions of how it works? Health data is not transmitted. No information ever leaves the device, with the sole exception of when you choose to notify other that you tested positive. That uploads enough material for all other users to determine if they were ever in the vicinity of your device - but no other information. The only thing that can be determined is whether at some point they were in the vicinity of a device that subsequently reported testing positive.
I hope Apple will continue to win in the fight to keep third-party bloatware off iPhones, like they did versus AT&T when it first came out.
> Exactly what is a "complete joke" about the legal system ? The whole in its entirety ?

Court cases can take 6 to 10 years for a judge to make a decision.

India needs more courts and judges but for some reason does not build more courts.
I've just tested and with Google hangouts, at the very least, switching off the camera in the hangouts UI results in the laptop green light being turned off.

(With Facebook messenger, OTOH, turning off the camera in the UI does not cause the light to be turned off, just like OP described. I haven't tested the other sites/applications, now, but in the ancient times of the old (Qt?) Skype program, the laptop indicator would be turned off when the video stream was turned off.)
I'm just wondering, what if a person doesnt have smartphone? There are many elderly people who still have Nokia 1100 or something like that, and do not care. Will they get beaten every day? Or if this is mandatory, will the government provide free devices to everyone?
You know that the app can be removed at any instant, once the lockdown is over?

Contact tracing in India, which has one of the lowest Police / People ratios in the world, is extremely difficult. There are a billion+ people and simply not enough personnel to do any contact tracing.

Sections of the society are hostile towards medical and police personnel.

What alternative do you suggest? One that can be implemented immediately.

> The mobile number part concerns me. Government wants to use it as a way to contact people but the potential for abuse is there

What abuse are you talking about?

> Installing this app is mandatory for public and private companies. So if you are an employee, you have no choice in the matter. It's like a surveillance state in the making.

These are the ones who are travelling. What better method is there to execute contact tracing?

> They are also planning an e pass feature which will be required to board a flight/metro. Chinese level dystopian shit in the works.

The virus is in India due to international travelers. You would want to know where an international traveler has been during his travel. Once someone is out of India, the govt. can't do anything.

> Random cops stopping to ensure you have the app installed? Happening. Non complaince? Do situps, get beaten with a lathi. I wish I was joking.

If you are roaming out when there is a lockdown, the cops ought to check the app. The app is meant for contact tracing. About getting beaten or made to do situps, in my view, a far lesser punishment rather than charging and going the legal route. Than would be draconian.

Also, this requirement for app installation is because the lockdown is being considerably relaxed in majority of the country.

I would agree about privacy issues if the govt. asks citizens to use it even after this pandemic is done. In that case, I myself will go to the streets to fight.

But, in the current situation, this is absolutely required and the only cost-effective, efficient way for contact tracing in a country like India.
You really thing the google-apple way is preserving privacy ? People have problems with that too.

I am sure the devil is in the details, but its easier to slam the govt doing anything.

Reading: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe...
Your parent comment is saying that reducing cognitive load by parting with things irrelevant to the goal of reaching Mars will improve the odds of success.
To be clear, simply asking an earnest follow up question is simple and efficient way to do this.
My local does not do food. But you can bring it in. So that is simply not true.

However, I do know some pubs that have mainly tried to become restaurants.

We once tried to run a small cafe/restaurant, with only about 8-10 tables. And it ultimately failed. After a few months we ended funneling the business to booze and coffee, with as fast a turnover as possible, which was not what the initial place was about. We were an original organic veggie food outlet. Raw ingredients were expensive.

This shattered previous dreams about running my own. But given a cheap ground rent, I might be tempted to give it a go again, but not really for profit. Totally and utterly fried me, very long days, mostly spent at the sink. Not glamorous at all. The co-owners ultimately had to trade up ethics and risk their homes.

We might have done better if deliveroo had been about then.
>Exactly what is a "complete joke" about the legal system ? The whole in its entirety ?

As a share of GDP, India spends less than almost any other country on criminal justice. The legal system is plagued with almost absurd delays, with many cases taking over a decade to come to trial. India is the most corrupt country in Asia and one of the most corrupt in the world; bribing police officers is the norm rather than the exception. Extrajudicial killings by police are organised, commonplace and are ignored or condoned by politicians and the judiciary.

I can't think of any part of the Indian criminal justice system that isn't severely dysfunctional.

https://www.firstpost.com/long-reads/indias-criminal-justice...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/suparnagoswami/2017/03/08/study...

https://www.economist.com/asia/2018/08/18/the-shortcomings-o...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_killings_by_police
Marriage rate drops to record low
Wouldn’t that argue in favor of

val breakfast: “eggs and bacon” = String

and not

val breakfast: String = “eggs and bacon”
I got approached by a big AAA game studio. The offer was (much) lower than my at-the-time salary.

With a straight face they responded to my objection that i would get access to all their PC game catalog and a limited-discount for consoles.

I still laugh when i remember that conversation.
(I am Indian and live in India fwiw) How about 10k Rs to be donated to the winner's favorite charity? How about 1 January 2022 as a settlement date? If the app is still mandatory on that date, I win, else you do.
Ah, good old hydroxychloroquine! At least this time we have a somewhat good control sample size, but a large number of variables. Still, it's a good finding, and a plausible mode of action (attenuation of inflammatory cytokine storm).
Autodesk Fusion 360 Ad tracking is out of control
Beautifully terrible!
> So we should give all this data to the foreign companies instead of our own elected govt?

Or give the data to no one and do contact tracing in a privacy preserving way like the one apple and google designed? https://covid19-static.cdn-apple.com/applications/covid19/cu...
1% is the approximate fatality rate with treatment.

1% is the “good” (less bad) outcome if everyone catches it in a controlled rate before vaccinations are ready.

You only get less than that with a lockdown of some sort. You get way more than that if the medical system can’t keep up with demand.

What’s the medical system like in India these days?
The elephant in the room is that the current crisis has revealed how dependent some producers are on high prices for oil. Basically the current crisis is a double crisis of first Russia deciding to stop voluntarily limiting their oil production to keep the prices artificially high so the US producers don't go bankrupt. And then the demand collapsed due to the lockdown. So over supply and demand collapse happened nearly at the same time.

What this means for producers in the US, that are increasingly relying on more expensive sources of oil is that Russia can collapse the prices to below their break even point any time they want. Same for the Saudi's. That used to be the nuclear option when Opec controlled the prices. This is also where the word oligarchy comes from. Once oligarchies stop fixing prices they are suddenly competing for cost per barrel. And the simple truth is that when it comes to fracking, the cost is too high.

What that means in turn is that oil related investments suddenly got a lot more risky than they already were. All the easy sources have long been invested in and the remaining sources are increasingly difficult to exploit. Institutional investors have already been divesting away from oil for a few years. Price fluctuations like we've seen in the past decade ranging from negative to above 100$ per barrel means it's a highly risky investment as you simply can't know if you get back your money.

So, shutting down right now may get a permanent nature for a lot of companies as they'll have a hard time getting investors to back bringing their plants online. The longer this lasts, the worse it gets. I expect a lot of recent investments to be written off completely. Also things like the Keystone pipeline are probably dead in the water as it is debatable whether the thing will ever be profitable.

IMHO that's actually good news and will force people to look at alternative technologies and accelerate the agenda on e.g. switching to electrical vehicles, battery technology, alternative energy etc.
Explicit is better than implicit.

>>> (True == False) is False
True
I tried this in gpython ( https://github.com/go-python/gpython ) and it works.

That isn't surprising I suppose however what is surprising is that I wrote gpython and I had no idea why it worked until I read the explanation on stack overflow about 5 times.

I guess that is the power of having implementing the grammar.

I always like it when my creations (programs or children) exceed me :-)
After google places API has become paid I am looking for an alternative to let my clients enter lattitude and longitude of their birthpalce ... I have a vedic astrology app with about 1000 users mainly in Nepal. Any suggestion for database of lat long of major cities or a free api?https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.globdig.as...
Location: Berlin, Germany

Relocation: not an option

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I suggest to repurpose the hashtag (#pleaseRememberHumans) for an initiative about human needs regarding news sites – and also for issues with overly crafted UX in general (e.g., websites shying away behind a shield and hiding behind a subscribe dialog as soon as a human visitor shows up) –, once the original event is over.
> India needs more courts and judges but for some reason does not build more courts.

You do know why. Because its a low pay job and private jobs are paying higher.

Becoming a lawyer will earn you 10x more than any judge. And so we have no shortage of lawyers.

But then I assume you would counter this with "so govt should pay them higher" ?
Funny how simple solutions often elude us. Agreed re: long term.
Or an alternative open source one that you can self-host is https://github.com/gskinner/regexr and https://regexr.com/
But why are they using this instead of any other protocol or spec released by anyone else that offers more privacy than this crap.
Well for some cafe and restaurants Shisha.
Oversight[1] is also a good utility.

1. https://objective-see.com/products/oversight.html
>That’s just not true. And at any rate, you’re only saying that with perfect hindsight, ignoring the other pandemic threats and actual, not potential epidemics that were addressed

This has been known as one of the major pandemic threats for quite some time now. Additional resources should have been spent preparing for it, but that doesn't require diverting resources from other threats.

>Or maybe we manage to avert first-world pandemics altogether at the expense of simply letting millions of people in the Global South die from HIV/AIDS

HIV/AIDS has killed around 800,000 people so far. If you're viewing this from a utilitarian view that is clearly the right choice. This pandemic already has the potential of killing more people in the Southern Hemisphere than HIV/AIDS has so far. And again, developing medicine for other diseases is still possible.

>Developing and producing antiviral drugs to treat Ebola and HIV in sub-Saharan Africa wasn’t done for profit.

Providing some relief for those in impoverished areas does not stop drug companies from making huge profits elsewhere. The US has already spent billions stockpiling for Ebola, and HIV spreads in wealthy countries as well.
As in Python, whitespace in the form of indentation matters in Haskell.
I work in surface production facilities (rather than reservoir) but I think this article misses the point by a long margin. For the vast majority of oil reservoirs, shutting in is good for production. The reason is fairly intuitive - you drill into the oil-bearing part of the reservoir which is in the middle (beneath the gas but above the water). When you suck on the oil, you pull water and gas through with it ("coning") but when you stop, it all settles down again. When you restart production you get more oil (valuable) and less gas (far less value, possibly worthless) and less water (worthless).

Lifting costs vary a great deal but for my high-cost-of-living part of the world, we still don't spend more than about $20 a barrel to produce the oil. Most of the world would be far less.

I think for the vast majority of the oil industry, we still make a small profit on low oil prices. The economics of oil production is really that you spend a shitload up front (CAPEX) and then your continuing costs (OPEX) are an order of magnitude smaller.

And as our CEO said recently, when prices are low everybody expects to rise back to what we're used to again soon, because we're naturally optimistic. But that's not a law written in stone, it might be true that oil prices drop again in future, so we're better off selling it today.

Also what they mentioned about waxy pipelines doesn't affect most facilities. Usually we would do a shock biocide dose for preservation, which is not a particularly high cost. And if you've got a waxy crude, you're probably going to get your wax issue within 12-24 hours anyway as soon as you cool to ambient, so a long shut-in and a short shut-in would be dealt with similarly.
From the source: https://daily.bandcamp.com/features/bandcamp-covid-19-fundra...

"But the pandemic and its impact on the music community aren’t over, so today, as well as on June 5, and July 3 (the first Friday of each month), we’re waiving our revenue share for all sales on Bandcamp, from midnight to midnight PDT on each day."

You'll have to wait for next month but do consider it!
Personally I like the `ft/...` format using "/" for divider. However, it does not play with other software especially when the url is involved (e.g. the branch name collides with url path). This issue fits loosely similar problem to file naming to avoid problems (e.g. avoid " " (space), "-" (dash), or use of any weird characters as part of filename. This is the reason why you may find a lot of files named with "_" (underscore), especially in place of a space.

This raises the question of using "-" or "_" for divider. Keep in mind there are words that may have "-" (e.g "self-expression"). And as far as I know there are no words that have "_".

In summary:
And so I have decided on using "_" as my divider and plays well with other integrated tooling for future robustness.
More privacy friendly than setu. It upfront asks you about more information than it needs and also the tracking system seems to use more than bluetooth.
India was always a surveillance state in the making, thanks to Aadhaar.

The Indian government is now utilizing the crisis to fast-pace the process. Not only are they planning to make the contact tracing app registration on new phones mandatory, they're also planning to bring the app to feature phones.

Source: Aarogya Setu coming on feature phones; to cover the entire country https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/software/aarogya-s...
Even if Python's way was the only sane way of doing it (view which, btw, denotes having narrow experience with programming languages), that's irrelevant. GP's point was that different languages use different rules so, unless you use brackets, you won't easily know which precedence rules get applied.
Restaurants are always fucked.

It's said that only 40% of restaurants last a year, and only 20% last 5 years.

If a restaurant has proven to turn a profit in normal times, it will likely be able to survive coronavirus. If not, it will be replaced by someone else who thinks they can run a restaurant (and is probably wrong). Business as usual.
The best example of this problem is probably SPARK, a variant of Ada which permits formal verification.

Its verifiers are awfully finicky, and tuning the parameters (including selecting the most appropriate verifier) can mean the difference between successful completion in a few seconds, and outright non-termination/timeout-with-failure.

It's true that the answer is to have better verifiers, but that's not just a matter of tweaking the verifier code, it's a serious research challenge. One of the most serious problems with formal methods is the ability to scale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARK_(programming_language)