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AppDirect or Google App Marketplace?
Looking at the end of the beta of or SaaS application, which soon will come soon, O have to think about payment options and marketing channels. We did not start of a lean and agile company like we read about everywhere, but this is rapidly changing now we found out who loves our product. This product market fit quest is not over at launch, it will only start all over again, but with a slightly more focus on business and enterprise, we should have iterations faster if needed.

A payment gateway and merchant account and thinking about how to get more users into out beta and future free trial options, got me thinking about the App Markets that now pop-up up everywhere. How would this benefit the Reedge.com Application?

Comparing apples with apples?

AppDirect and Google App Marketplace are a bit different, Google App Marketplace can be used for any application that integrates with existing Google API’s so for example we could use Google Contacts for multi-user features in Reedge or add a integration with Google Analytics and that would be enough to enter in the Marketplace. AppDirect required a deeper integration including sign-on and billing. But When looking at Google App Marketplace as a more integrated option including Google Billing API and Google Checkout the two services actually are very similar.

How to pick? Market-size?

Well it’s true everyone likes simple sign-up and sign-on so Twitter and Facebook integration could be an option. But Facebook Sign-On for a business and enterprise focused business does not make sense, so that leaves Twitter, OpenID and Google. Besides the ease of sign-up the market size is important with 2 million active businesses inside the Google App environment and 1.000 daily visitors of AppDirect you can see where I am going. Add the 24 available apps in AppDirect and 300 in Google App Marketplace, the 20% cut Google takes vs. the 35% AppDirect asks… the choice seems too easy.</p><p>

OK if Google App Marketplace it is… what would that involve?

Well going with the idea of Google App Marketplace involves some important changes. Single-Sign On, more integration with Google Contacts, Google Billing API (that’s in beta) and a Google Adwords extension that we wanted, all need to move forward in our planning. So it’s not final choice, but something that seems worth exploring.

Anyone thinking here in Ynews of entering that Google App Marketplace and interested in sharing there ideas and experiences of the impact it had on their business and application?
Using Twitter in class is a sign of bigger problems.
Agreed that it is possible, but it sucks to implement for the developer, which is Ian's original point. Its absolutely possible to do it, but we felt it was suboptimal, and opted to do something else.
The way I did it was basically to have my parents sign off on whatever contracts I did. My first sale had a signature line for me and one under it for my parents.

aww, that's cute!
Meta: I am appalled by the amount of hate and (non-constructive) criticism in these comments. In a total role-reversal, all of the comments on TC are positive and encouraging. The congratulatory comments in this thread have been downvoted to negative points. What gives? Is it easier to criticize than give encouragement? These guys already have 95,000 active users... what a feat!

I am ok with constructive criticisms and asking meaningful questions, but pointing out other competitors and implying that this product is a waste of everyone's time is just mean.

Josh and team, I am extremely proud of you (never having met you). Do what you love doing, and keep doing it. Don't listen to the haters.
Microsoft was a bootstrapped company and at the time, I suspect that some people derided it as a "lifestyle business". They didn't go chasing after VC money and didn't use the zero-revenue customer acquisition model to grow. Are you sure that Microsoft didn't impact the world.

I'm not sure which "lifestyle business" duped customers into overpaying, but it is absurd to equate the so-called lifestyle business to "duping credulous customers into overpaying for a time-tracking tool styled with this month's CSS trends". I can list far worse cases - corporate fraud and crimes - with large companies

Ultimately, the "lifestyle business" is a silly vc-invented label. Running after VC money is also a lifestyle. All businesses aim to impact lifestyles of founders, employees and customers. The difference is that vc-funded business also impact lifestyles of vcs. Bootstrapped companies don't impact vc lifestyles (unless they compete with a VC-funded company :).

imo both lifestyles are equally valid, but it is absurd to describe one as a lifestyle company and pretend that the other one (which risks other people's money) is the true and only "risk-taker"
Atom has a well-defined way for expressing the content type of items in a feed. You can do this with JSON but you have to come up with your own system.
What's the source for your ZIP code data? The data for 11201 is very wrong (11201 is in Brooklyn, geolayr displays it as Governor's Island, Ellis & Liberty Islands).
Wow, someone's downvoting every congratulatory comment on this thread. To that guy: congratulations on not doing anything useful with your time (while we did).

Also, congrats to Josh and team! I'm totally jealous and proud of a fellow young dude.
correct me if im wrong, but iirc that second factor is a 4 digit number you pick at your first login.
I agree, there are a lot of people using the term "startup" when all they've done is push an app to the Apple appstore or whatever. And if I could wave a magic wand and change things, I'd have people stop doing that. But I'm guessing that this particular ship has sailed, and that it's going to be hard to get people to quit using the term that way.

I'm just glad that one of your conditions was "has registered a business entity for a specific project" so that I can feel good about my own startup! We haven't raised money or generated revenue yet, but the goal is absolutely build a real, profitable, world-changing company.
I think that the differentiator for tech is that there is a massive skew towards providing free services via the web.

Because many companies work as "media" companies which rely on attracting eyeballs for ads, people get used to not paying for things online which perpetuates the need for VC.

You also don't see very many bootstrapped TV stations.
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With all the misinformation out there I thought this was a good news site for these were two good places for inf www.WelfareBenefits.org and www.StimulusProgram.org
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Yup. That's what I meant :)
I'd have to say if you have a credible plan to generate revenue, and are implementing that plan, that's a startup. The rest of it is just means to that end (i.e. parts of your particular plan).

Overall point seems pretty well-taken, though.
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I'm sure the metaphor can be tweaked to be more accurate in representing the mix of talent, luck, mentality, etc. (it's also the case that not everyone who gives it an honest shot will succeed at creating a 10k business while virtually everyone who diets and exercises will get slim an muscular)

The point is no so subtle though. One is in reach of most people who will give it a shot while the other is exceptional.
Yeah, calling ourselves CEOs of projects was always one of my pet peeves.
That's not true. There's lot of cases of particularly charged words in certain languages lacking a direct emotional analog in others. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3830521.stm for one example; Russian has many like this, too. There's even languages that aren't "complete" in the semantic sense; see: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/04/16/070416fa_fact_...
"If you can't do what you want at my age, when can you?" DJ Mamy Rock. Classic.
i have set up rsa auth systems. would it surprise anyone to know that sometimes vulnerabilities are purposefully included because its easier or allows you to keep some old insecure app working? securid is not some golden impermeable shield. it just helps stop a few attack vectors.
More info at NYT but with their limited view policy, I didn't want to link to them directly

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/world/asia/18spent.html

11,125 spent fuel rod assemblies are stored at the site which is four times as much radioactive material as in the reactor cores combined

the water in the pools is either boiling away or leaking out of their containments, and efforts to add more water having gone awry. While spent fuel rods generate significantly less heat than newer ones do, there are strong indications that some fuel rods have begun to melt and release extremely high levels of radiation
The "if everyone did this" argument is such a poor way to argue a point.

I'm sure you would find the vast majority of people think being a doctor is a good thing - you help people, you're well paid and respected. Yet, if everyone was a doctor, everything would crumble.

There are many different paths in life. Our system as it now stands needs both large and small businesses. One cannot co-exist without the other.
It's not fear that makes Jason Fried/DHH avoid trying to build a really big business quickly. It's a lack of ambition. There's nothing stopping them from taking $10 million from VCs at ridiculously generous terms to try to build a really big startup. Like most rational people they're content to have good jobs and enough money not to have to worry about it.

This is why successful serial entrepreneurs are so revered. It usually takes extraordinary ambition to succeed more than once.
Registering a company is such a pain in the ass, that if you're going to do it, you're at least serious about this project existing for a while and you're willing to put the time and effort into making it official. That shows enough dedication in my opinion :)
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That's a great point. I'm going to add that.
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For me the line is clear: you work/have a startup when it's your primary "job".

I work at a bank from 8-6, then work on my projects evenings and weekends. Pretty simple.
WebSheet.app is obviously not doing anything MobileSafari.app isn't. I'd like to see this bug marked "not to be fixed by exec order" with my own eyes, after which I will disregard Objective C as easily as rounded-corners and transparent PNGs in IE6.
Ask HN: How to add badges for website users?
I read this article a few days ago about the psychology of adding badges on websites: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2328684

I'm interested to know if anybody has any good links or knows of any sort of "framework" for adding badges for a site's users?
I think the right way of reading it is to put consider the outsider the founder and otherwise consider their takeover as the founding. It would be like Bill Gates buying a 4 person company that made Basic interpreters instead of starting one, it's not fundamental to the story.

If you looked at a graph of Starbucks and another startup going public at the same time the would look like this

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What happened between founding and acquisition in company #2 isn't really part of the story. The day after aquisition though is pretty much the same after the day of founding company #1.
Apparently you do care enough to post.

Guy seems like the Jon Skeet of Quora.
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I'd rather that Ohloh implemented something like this.
Clickable link for article: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2328684
Complexity comes in many flavors. One of those flavors is mutable state. Reducing that makes OOP better. You can have your meta meta, and still be sane in your reuse of existing code. Keep the object abstraction, just limit it's scope overall.
It is. Where I work, I have to use account name, 4 digit PIN, and the current token value to log in to systems protected by the RSA token.
Those congratulatory comments were all left in a row, and one of the accounts was created just to leave one. That might have triggered somebody's "noise" radar; I haven't voted on anything in this thread, and I don't see them as noise personally. That might be an explanation for at least that, though -- I wouldn't rush to call that malicious. A misunderstanding, maybe, but I doubt someone is systematically downvoting the good will in this thread, maybe because I look for the positive in everything.

I also wouldn't consider pointing out other competitors mean. I'm sure the person leaving that comment, and the numerous votes for him, are just wondering what the difference is (and another comment hit it: it's the team).

Don't attribute to malice what mere stupidity can explain. Stupidity is a bit strong in this case, but you get what I mean. I don't really observe a lot of hate here, just a broad spectrum of responses.
Stop telling people what not to do. Wikipedia gives the following as a description for a startup "A startup company or startup is a company with a limited operating history. These companies, generally newly created, are in a phase of development and research for markets.". So yes, a two hour project can be a startup, just like a lemonade stand.
Word or no Word, its part of the culture, atleast from my small sliver from way over here in the US.

Remember the scenes from 'Grave of the Fireflies'? During the fire-bombings, the boy, Sieta, would run and loot the homes of fleeing civilians. Powerful imagery indeed, but he was looting.
It's never too late to do what you love.
Do you feel the same way about Jisho (http://jisho.org/)? I generally find it handy.
I like it too, but I can't help but feel that it is slowly morphing into the Windows logo;
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Very low as compared to clicking links.
How does a "startup" differ from any other business? You write a business plan, invest some saved-up capital, work your ass off, charge for your product and hopefully bring in more money than you spend.

To me, the only thing "startup" seems to imply is that you don't have a real business plan and a way to actually make money the way a "normal" business would, which doesn't seem that great.
I take issue with calling it "weak". EDICT is useful resource that needs sentence examples.

It certainly is far better than any e-dictionary I could find for French back when I was forced (by law) to attend French class. It definitely helped a lot when I was in college (and, admittedly, situations where I used the wrong word)
Along the same lines, can we stop calling all coding "hacking". Unless you are accessing features of an API that it doesn't intend you to access, you are not hacking.
The primary market for Pokemon remains children. Children tend to congregate in large numbers at schools and playgrounds. Nintendo's lack of focus on the "commuting to work" crowd is not particularly surprising.
Call your project whatever you want. Spend less time on HN, and don't waste energy writing blogs that draw lines in the sand. Just keep making forward progress on something of value.
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They aren't talking about latency, they're talking about how quickly stories reach the front page and how long they stay there.
The idea with this kind of thing, as far as I can tell, is to be as nuts (i.e. risk-friendly) as you can possibly get away with. If you're never wrong, that's probably an indicator that you could get away with being a lot more nuts.

Moreover, if you do pump a startup and you are wrong, then to explain the situation is often to piss all over the work of said startup.
One-to-five rating systems have many problems--gaming, relevance decay, shifting the economic incentive to focus on getting the rating/karma up which may or may not have a correlation to creating value. The only star rating system that I've seen that's actually useful to a consumer is Amazon--but Amazon deals with finished, immutable works and products, not evolving, living software, where every single individual rating becomes stale with the next commit.

To address what antirez needs--an at-a-glance, summary assessment of the quality of the project--github could provide a standard rating of a number of dimensions. Project followers, recentness of commits, forks, merge history, code analytics, presence of tests, volume and activity on documentation, etc. This is still subject to gaming, but here's how you fix that: allow each github user to express their own values/constants for the various measures, and allow you to assess any project based on what that user values: "What would antirez say about a project with no documentation, lots of downstream forks, great testing coverage?" Now you've introduced a trust metric, correlating values of people you trust with projects you might be interested in.

Think OKCupid meets GitHub, with bulk rating of projects rather than potential mates.
If you're talking about those comments at the bottom, one of the accounts was created just to leave the comment, and all of them were left very rapidly after the actual item was submitted. I don't personally agree with this, but I can see an argument that they're not contributing to the discussion (and could be perceived as noise), which seems to be extremely important to some users on HN.

It isn't just "[one] guy", and I think your insult of "him" is a little bit counterproductive. I honestly don't think it's because they're congratulatory, and I think you're going after someone needlessly -- I don't see any systematic assault on good will in this thread, as a couple people have.

Consider it weird and move on.
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Could it be time for a total reboot of business education?
Considered weird. Moving on.
If you were in bizspark (free) I am pretty sure you could get just as fast a response -- email Joel Franusic (@jf).
That's why I only use applications that use the Athena widget set!
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This is a fine concept, but it would be a serious mistake to limit themselves to Facebook and not take advantage of local connectivity options. A lot of children have iTouch devices, but not many have actual iPhones with 3G connections to take advantage of the kind of social gaming that Facebook promotes. It doesn't seem like this will play very well in the schoolyard, and it also doesn't seem anywhere close to sophisticated enough to appeal to adults.
Doing unmentionables with the girlfriend.

Edit: Otherwise it depends on the situation. Different situations have different options for taking time off. Different situations have different demands. Are you burnt out from a month of doing nothing but working or from 10 years of doing the same things?

Ideally you would just have a decent life balance and if you don't have that then figure out how you can bring that back.
The key for me is one real, full day off. No work, no half-day, etc. I've found that not taking any days off is what burns me out more than anything. I probably put in more productive hours taking off one day per week than I did during all those years when I tried working every day as long as coffee would keep me going.

I'd like to say that I take off one day every weekend, but that would be a lie. I probably take off one or two Sundays a month, but I do them completely without even responding to work mail, and that seems to be enough.

Like the other commenters, though, I also keep up working out. But that's worth doing just to improve your sleep -- I find that the better sleep more than offsets the time spent in the gym.
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People who have the time to blog about terminology aren't in a startup.
What makes you think there's any real censorship? Mods are free to censor whatever they feel like. When people get sick of it, they form a new community. See the /r/marijuana to /r/trees migration that occurred a while back for the most famous example.

Shadowbanning from the site is really only done by hueypriest. If a mod shadowbans you, post elsewhere.

As far as downtime, they have three engineers. One programmer, and two sysadmins. Raldi just left for Google. Three engineers for 1.1 billion pageviews. Give them a break.
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I find that when it comes to these sorts of arguments that the people who spend their time telling you what they think are usually the people who care too much what other people think. Startup vs. Project? Computer Programmer vs. Software Engineer? CEO vs. Single Founder?

It's all so completely irrelevant to who you are or what you're doing. It's just noise.
Some time ago I realised that sharing links with friends wasn't very easy when they weren't on IM, so I built this over a weekend. The name sounds a bit like "your pain", which is not very fortunate, and I haven't had a chance to add comments yet, but, other than that, it works beautifully, so I decided to show you guys first.

You don't need to register, as soon as the system sees an email address it creates an account. This means that, as soon as you send someone a link, they already have an account they can log in. Login is done by sending a link to your email, you can save the link for subsequent logins.

Please let me know what you think and if you have any feedback, I'd be interested to know what works and what doesn't!
Urm, I thought I was agreeing that it's not possible. But I think we're in agreement.

In short: you want to offer functions on the server that REST would push on to the client (or would require making architectural changes).

REST definitely requires a larger upfront investment vs RPC. Part of what I'm curious about is how much larger in real world cases, and this is a good example. So I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
The problem with TechCrunch's Facebook comments is that you can't speak your mind if you have something negative to say about anything.

If you make a positive comment, you might get some friends, but if you make a negative comment, you are much more likely to make enemies just for saying what's on your mind. That is why TechCrunch comments are now nothing but a sea of sycophancy.

The value of an anonymous forum is that the truth gets told.
I think I'm going to start employing policy debate's stock issues paradigm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_issues) to all proposals I see on HN. So, with that:

Solvency: Flow that through for the aff, no argument.

Harms: Affirmative fails to illustrate any harms inherent in the status quo. The plan should be thrown out on these grounds alone.

Inherency: Affirmative only proposes a semantic clarification to a sub genre of internet message boards; no actual policy change is necessary to implement this. Affirmative plan does not demonstrate that status quo cannot solve the unspecified harms on its own. Flow this negative.

Topicality: No argument, flow aff.

Significance: Without any harms, the aff cannot claim any significance to their plan. Flow this negative.
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