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Just curious, where do you draw the line on this reasoning? For example, would you feel the same way during a particularly bad flu season that did not have a novel virus like we are faced with currently?

Just trying to get a read to know how to best respond. Everything we do in society carries risks, particularly of spreading infection (influenza, meningitis, staph, strep etc), and generally historically we have not taken such a hard-line stance. Was that historic stance actually mistaken, and we should have always enacted these measures, or do you believe that this sars-cov-2 outbreak is such a different beast that it’s warranted now but wasn’t warranted previously?

BTW I agree drinking coffee is different in that the risk is entirely personal. I just wonder why we don’t view exposure to pathogens by venturing out into society through the same lens.

Thanks for the thoughtful comment. And again as I told the other commenter I should not have posted my comment since I should have known it would just derail the discussion, but I am hopeful that our discussion and others might actually make it retroactively “worth it” if that makes sense.
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This isn't responsive to anything I'm saying; it merely repeats points you've made earlier more emotively.

I think you're going to find that the message board logic of "a-ha, I read a tweet that says the goal of lockdown is flattening the curve; now that curves may be flattening lockdown has to end" isn't going to get you very far in the real world.
I believe the trick is that terror describes the observer not the subject.
Logs and request ids are so important. One trick I found is to load a page with some ?devondebug query param, then search logs. Then look at those logs to get request ids to search with again to get the whole picture.

Unless you have Istio. That's amazing.
> Reading the opinions, it is a breath of fresh air to see one of the branches of government relying upon fact and logical argument when discussing the issues.

Your optimism is refreshing, but this is not how law works.

Judges and lawyers start from a conclusion, and then find case law to back up their conclusion.

Now, to be fair, most judges and lawyers who are competent tend not to go far off the established precedents. This is especially true at lower levels where higher judges are going to review your case--nobody wants to be the judge who gets overturned all the time.

Judges are not engineers. The law regards "truth" as subject to negotiation without objective boundaries. An engineer regards "truth" as "the thing that kicks your ass when you contradict it".
I wonder if this might set a new precedent, what if you don't even need to really post anything to automatically be subscribed to some arbitrary TOS. ie I'm thinking of someone visiting a website and scrolling, and now all of a sudden all their public content on the web is no longer theirs!
But surely other people can listen in when you play the radio?
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The only thing that is going to keep the curve flat (this is kind of a mind-numbing terminology) is human behavior. Exponential growth is still a thing, and we aren't anywhere near achieving herd immunity.

(a physician friend mentioned the other day that we're not truly certain yet that COVID 19 sufferers cannot be reinfected, although that's the popular assumption. So there's also that)
So when do you lift the stay in place? When there's 0 cases? If so, what if that never happens?
Plenty of people choose not to consume caffeine, they just don't make an issue of it, which is as it should be. Your personal choices don't have to be a cause.
The world is more than just "democratic" nations (which, are also usually "democratic" by name, but are actually something else).
That's a nice platitude you've got there. Too bad it means basically nothing.
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I think this is a lot like finishing your full 7 day medication treatment, even though you feel fine on day 3.

That said, I don't know when and how the right way to wind down is, and I don't think anyone else does either. I'm glad we're doing this in a decentralized way over 50 states, so many different strategies can be tried.

I would also add that we who can WFH with full wages do well to remember millions of already less well off people have been left without income and life structure, and they're not just complaining because they're spoiled children!
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If it isn't documented in https://developer.android.com/ it doesn't count.

Using OpenCL custom drivers from OEMs requires ADB shell access and deployment of custom libraries, hardly something that any application on Play Store can count on.
Ease up how? I mean, what's the specific proposal? The lockdown isn't "total" anyway -- very large numbers of people are still working at full salary (including, it must be pointed out, probably more than half the readers of this very site). There's little to no low hanging fruit of safe jobs that can be reopened. Just go look at the California list of "essential" jobs and tell us what needs to be added.

Fundamentally this is just a complicated strawman. People are arguing against "lockdown" but not in favor of another option. But we were all here in late march and we know what this disease does without containment.
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I did a similar thing with Google Calendar! Sadly they shut down their SMS notifications in November 2018.
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The difference would be that each object can be freed individually when it is no longer needed.

Especially when the code that creates the objects and the code that uses/discards the objects are in two different projects.

Like a library that can load a JSON file as some kind of tree structure. Then someone uses the library, loads a file of a million objects, but then only needs a single object. All the other objects should be freed, but if they are in a pool, they cannot. The library does not know which object the user wants, and an user of the library should not need to know how the library allocates the objects
This sounds like a false tricotomy (see what I did there?). Taiwan has effectively contained the outbreak with fewer than 500 cumulative cases for their very dense population of 23m. Unfortunately we can't go back and act swiftly in the beginning like they did, so we'll never approach that level of success, but we can take some lessons from what they continue to do.

I was there in January and February and had my temperature taken routinely to enter populous shopping areas, tourist-packed areas, transit, etc. Mask usage was mandatory in some cases, like buses. They ensured they had sufficient inventory of masks, and even published it so that you could look up which pharmacy to go to. There were lines down the block outside of them, but they also had a reliable ration available for anyone who would wait.

State-side, I haven't had my temperature checked once. Even when I reentered the US, there wasn't so much as a thermal camera to walk in front of (that I could see, anyway). This was the procedure upon entering both Taiwan and transiting through Japan all the way back in January when cases in Taiwan were in the single digits. I can't even find a single mask here.

People were sensible and conscientious there. People voluntarily cut back their social behaviors, but they haven't enacted a hard shut down. It seems to me that we just haven't implemented any common sense behaviors and expect Trump/the governor/Fauci/whoever to come up with some genius plan to solve the crisis for us.
Ok, this will sound stupid then, but is pointer aliasing using casts undefined?
What if it's right, but the constitution is wrong?
Found the developer, he passed on 'quantian 0.7.9.2 iso' leads to
http://sunsite.rwth-aachen.de:3080/ftp/pub/Linux/quantian/ This was the last release.
I understand people have strong feelings on this issue, but you can argue your position without using language like "cower" and "magically".
> The only way we know that shelter in place orders worked is if they feel like an overreaction after this is all over with.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Millions of children are not vaccinated because of the lockdown. Will the mayor take responsibility for his share of deaths that will occur? Will there be a counter for that, that ticks up every day? And for all the pain and suffering of those that can't afford gratuitous shutdowns?
I see a truck delivering to my neighbors called "imperfect foods." I'm hoping to see more of that approach as delivery of groceries becomes more common (as opposed to going to the grocery store and selecting the best looking produce). I'd think people would appreciate saving a few pennies if the produce isn't perfect looking, especially as it becomes seen as a "socially conscious" positive to do so.

I imagine this sort of waste is less of an issue with things like meat.

While meat is wasteful as you say, people do find it satisfying to eat meat. I am looking forward to fake meat getting better. I've tried an Impossible Whopper, it is indeed close but still not there. It should be better for the environment as well as feeling better to those of us who find it disturbing to kill animals for food.
It looks like they are, thanks! This is just what I could hack together before I went on Christmas break a couple years back lol.
If we expect a roughly fixed number of people to eventually need hospitalization, then underutilizing hospital capacity is a waste of very expensive shutdown time.

The shutdown is preventing quite a bit of sickness, disability and death from occurring during the course of the shutdown. If we could indeed maintain a shutdown forever, and if that would reduce the total amount of sickness, death, etc, then maybe it follows that an indefinite shutdown would have value to weigh against the cost. But those are some seriously questionable assumptions. What actually seems to be happening is that we are delaying people getting sick, and the value of that is not self-evident.

I am suspicious that much of the COVID-19 response is based on pretending that it is a severe pandemic flu with a comparable fatality rate. With a flu, shutting the world down until summer or until a new flu vaccine can be mass produced has clear value. But COVID-19 is not the flu.
Just a viral gimmick!
The shares are issued on the public market so market participants would buy the shares. Order book and market orders will determine at which price these shares would be bought.
Seriously? No benefit, no logic?
Bribery and misinformation is harming the world. We allow you to have that same pace of writing, but we generate meaningful articles via our cross-referencing models.

Otherwise people would write whatever comes to their mind: clickbait/misinformation without proper cross referencing/fact checking.
> The only way we know that shelter in place orders worked is if they feel like an overreaction after this is all over with.

That's the only way to know? You think it's reasonable to take away the civil liberties of seven million people indefinitely without at least trying to come up with a better performance metric than that?

You have literally no interest in setting up any kind of plan to assess how the policy is working?
Technically speaking, many things you create (including a tweet) are copyright automatically and to use them commercially requires a license. In this case either MakerSpace needs some sort of agreement with the author of each tweet or they need to claim fair use in order to be able to legally display it. You give twitter license to reproduce your tweets (through the ToS) so they can host them for your friends, for example.

Practically speaking it's almost certainly not a copyright violation. If you see a sign "Use #HashTag to see your Tweet on the jumbotron" and then proceed to tweet at it, you've agreed to the licensing terms (that your tweet will be displayed).

The only case where this gets hairy is if you didn't know that using #Hashtag resulted in it being displayed on the jumbotron and didn't want that. If MakerSpace displayed every tweet with #DoNotDisplay or something like that, then they clearly don't have license and have violated copyright law.
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Yeah but Gmail doesn't have ads even for those without ad blockers.
I will not dispute that you could be right. We'll only know for sure looking back from the future (lagging indicators and such).
In New Zealand, South Korea and Australia coronaplague is on the way out thanks to testing and contact tracing. Why can't the US muster the political will to do the same?

We are already seeing the damage because a number of meatpacking plants had to go off-line when a substantial part of their workforce was ill and could not report to work, yet many citizens advocate for even lighter restrictions. Nothing of this makes any sense.
I don't know about San Francsico, but, in much of the less population dense US West, the deaths from denial of so-called "non-critical" procedures are getting out of control, and hospitals and medical facilities are losing way too many employees.
Wuhan was also the biggest epicenter in China and that is where it originated with lot more cases than in the Bay Area.
I think you could argue it already has a more general name; individual self interest. The peak headcount you’ve managed or directred has a pretty direct impact on the level of manigeiral roles you are in contention for.
My understanding is that the Vancouver lockdown is largely identical to the California one, no? What is open there that isn't in CA? I know restaurants, theaters, large gatherings, etc... are all closed, which is the economic activity most of the "reopen" people are concerned about.

Edit to note: two responses "disagreeing" with me by pointing out that the BC lockdown is effectively the same thing as the California one from the perspective of economic impact. This is why I asked the question! People are being fooled into arguing with a strawman idea of "lockdown" that isn't what is actually implemented.
The problem I see with that statement is that it's difficult, if not impossible to falsify.

Hospitals are nowhere near being overwhelmed, in general, which means that they have some capacity to handle an outbreak if we lift restrictions gradually. I know people who work at hospitals in places like LA, and they've reported that activity is relatively slow. (of course in part because fewer people are going to the ER for other issues)

Lives are being ruined by furthering a draconian lockdown. I know several people who have not only been laid off, but had their businesses destroyed and their dreams crushed. Someone in my neighborhood spent their life savings on starting a gourmet burgers and brews joint next to a movie theater, which would have undoubtedly succeeded in normal conditions. They're getting very few curbside orders because they opened after the pandemic started and nobody is familiar with the brand. They're almost certainly screwed, especially if some semblance of foot traffic doesn't begin coming back in the next month.

I, too, was in the early stage of starting a brick and mortar business before the lockdown. Fortunately, I hadn't opened up anywhere yet. Because my business relied on the existence of gyms, I would have been massively screwed. If there is a god, I'll thank him now for not putting me through the ordeal of owing tens of thousands of dollars to the bank. Now I'm not even going to bother opening up because there may not be any appreciable business in the next year or so, which also means people whom I would have employed have to look elsewhere and may be out of work.

Low hospital utilization seems to have become our only metric for success. I think that's crap, especially now that it's coming out that way more people have had this virus than the numbers suggested.

We can put on masks, wash our hands, and all that, but this idea that "the new normal" is to have little to no proximity with other human beings is demoralizing and wrong. Life isn't just about staying alive.

EDIT: To bring up anecdotes is not a fallacy, and I won't apologize for it.

Some ignorant boob happened to bring up NYC, and their comment to mine got flagged, but I still want to reply to that point.

You can't focus in on a particular city and then claim that, without draconian intervention, that NYC will be coming to a neighborhood near you. It's more complicated than that, and the more data we are getting, the more it's looking like we could begin to take measures to ease the restrictions in a reasonable way in parts of the world where it makes sense. But people like to point at the raw numbers rather than looking at the science or the per-capita numbers.

By using the logic of "but look at NYC!", we should keep the entire world closed until every city on the planet has no more cases, which is highly improbable and destructive.
I'm not aware of that being a blanket assumption they can make, is it? (Is it in the C++ standard?) That kind of thing is generally dictated by compiler-specific annotations (noalias etc.) which you can put on any function, and which shouldn't apply unless you write them explicitly...
It seems full of empty praise words without giving any example how it is better.
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Opening too early would be the end of a political career. A ruined economy isn't, you can always point to "the virus" that did it.
Let's wait and hear what they say this week, hopefully there will be more ease in the current shelter in place guidelines.
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Then you follow the procedure outlined in article 5 to amend the Constitution.
Yep, free dynamic DNS still exists, for example NoIP https://www.noip.com/ However, you have to refresh it each month by filling out a "I'm still using it" web form they email you. So, you can't just set it & forget it.
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Is this tweet some kind of Jedi mind trick?
What I am saying is I think that your last paragraph is a misunderstanding of what the 510(k) and de-novo pathways are, and that they are a safety process, which was and is followed.

If you argued that the V&V necessary for a 510(k) filing is insufficient, I would understand where you are coming from, and it could be interesting.

If you argued that a PMA is needed for all medical devices, I would understand the argument but probably disagree.

Your 'similarly' just isn't that similar, unless I've vastly misunderstood the FAA/Boeing case.

Again it's clear that the FDA could fall into a state where it's review and audit processes had the same sort of problems that the FAA exhibited with the 737max. But I don't see evidence at all that this has actually happened.

What do you think the substantively equivalent bar for a 510(k) allows a company to do?

Regulatory capture is a real risk for any regulatory oversight, but it is not synonymous with that regulatory oversight.
You are aware that this is Hacker News, aren't you? These are Great Minds who have accomplishments like "made a one page app" and "talk about Rust a lot".

Only on HN can you read a group that is so absolutely sure that they are experts on any topic.

An enormous number of users on here are outright liars as well, carefully molding themselves into whatever persona they think carries the most powerful position. I pointing out one such case (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22981613), had +5...flagged. LOL.
That's something you might be able to get away with as a blogger out journalist, but I'd not put that on my institutional website as marketing material - and then charge for it.
That is, literally, a question for the courts to decide sometimes.
But do the best estimates? As far as I can tell estimates vary a lot, but an R0 of 6 would be a significant outlier.

But the current R value in the UK under the lockdown is estimated to be somewhere between 0.5 and 1. A contact-tracing app doesn't need to be perfect; any reduction in R would allow for either a swifter reduction in cases or a liberalisation of lockdown measures.
I've heard some mention of "two weeks of decline in the number of new cases." That sounds reasonable to me.
Why does he have the right to do this?

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Another example: Redux Saga has been using them in React for a long time. https://redux-saga.js.org/
Moving the goalposts could probably be a confusing bit of terminology here. OP means that the original intention was “lock down so that we don’t run out of ICU beds”, and now it is “lock down until there’s a vaccine”. The end condition is being changed every time we get close to it.
Wonderful. Some very interesting and very precise historical details.

I can only be sad to imagine how something on that subject would be produced today (with so much sound and visual effects and removing the substance to be practically unwatchable). They just don't make them like that anymore, sadly.

Also good to be remembered that a lot of work of Leibniz was in some way inspired or motivated by, or related to his work on his calculating machine:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepped_reckoner
I'm curious how this works in the case of reinvention. Some algorithms are so simple that there is basically one canonical way of writing it. I'm assuming copyright doesn't cover the independent implementation in such cases?
If many people get very sick simultaneously, they would not only overwhelm hospitals, they would also inflict a disorderly, involuntary shutdown of large swaths of the economy, driven by fear -- instead of the orderly, voluntary shutdown we have at present, driven by government mandate.

We all want to avoid a disorderly shutdown driven by fear.
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This isn't an appeal to authority. It's a suggestion that we consider the possibility that they are not wasting their time on make-work.

This is Bayesian logic (our prior is that the systems engineers at Google are not incompetent), not an appeal to anything.