skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I don't quite understand the "how dare they!" attitude some of the comments here convey.

If you want to talk legality etc., most contracts have a "force majeur" clause that would cover this sort of thing. And even if it didn't, if enough businesses start having to modify or break service agreements in these ways through a world-wide crisis then governments will step in and legislate them out of liability. There won't be too much sympathy for the "victims" of Netflix either. Not from the general public, especially those who lose friends or family to the pandemic. Not over someone's pixelated experience of End Game or The Office. I know people who are sick, one closely, and I don't know if they're going to survive. Suffering through SD quality (or worse!) isn't what I concern myself with at the moment.
They literally passed a stimulus bill in the Senate this week with $500B for individuals. It heads to the House now.
In a big enough depression, even "the one percent" might not produce enough to cover that sort of expense. Where else where you go? This has a global reach, so you can't really borrow from the next country over. Can't really sell bonds to Americans, because that reduces liquidity further. Inflate and you'll kill what savings Americans have left and risk stagflation. So, how do you pay for it? Forget taxing certain people more or less, past a certain point, the money simply doesn't exist; there's no bottomless pit of money on which the gov't can draw in a second great depression.
The Walking Dead telltale games are worth checking out. Almost all narrative
And Smart TVs which lack the computational power/storage/memory to serve traffic.
the medium term plan is more capacity and equipment at hospitals

the short term plan alone will flatten the curve too much, if successful, and we simply dont have confirmations about whether we build immunity or the virus dies out, so without those features the short term plan being the long term plan or a recurring plan (even if we build immunity but we flattened too much, then clusters reemerge). But in conjunction with the medium term plan and most people not being reinfected its the best solution

long term plan either way is a vaccine, effective treatment

edit: can you engineers please tell me and the world what some of you disagree with about this information? this isn't the place to write a dissertation on every edge case necessary to explain whats going on, and the lack of that dissertation doesn't undermine the point or utility of what is written
But can you do what CSS Zen Garden does only by changing HTML? If you can't, it means you failed at separating concerns.

Additionally, applications that you need to customize/theme usually makes it hard for us to edit the HTML. The only option is to edit the CSS. In this case, you whole argument breaks down.

p.s.:
In your case, I believe Tailwind should be pushing more for the use of @apply, instead of making those god-awful markups :(
There is no working vaccine. Multiple candidates will take a year and a half if everything works perfectly. It's possible that a vaccine will not be found.
you're right, testing is the long term solution. you can't control what you can't measure.

the embarrassing point is that in the US, isolation is the only effective tool at this point. it's embarrassing because ramping up testing was what South Korea did, and they started much sooner, and that's why they are over the hump now. the US simply doesn't have the testing scaled up.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-testin...
I’m worried it is now becoming political and testing “how much we can do”. What we really need is widespread testing
The Confusing Active Record Pattern
Sure, but that doesn't make either group "okay" to let die.
If the county says "you need to stay home if X" and the state says "you need to stay home if Y" then the effect is "you need to stay home if X OR Y". There's no contradiction.
Besides supply issues, that hardly seems realistic when the US can barely manage to collect taxes, a trivial activity in other modern countries.
Is this the projection with the lockdown measures that are in place?
Sigh. I fell for the Web Coffee API link. I saw mention of a covfefe protocol and was excited to read about it.
It has become clear who the leaders are as of late. There are some that are acting like true leaders, and making decisions, and taking responsibility.

To be honest, a few times I've heard of something happening that is proactive, and in a biased way assumed that "Well it must be a Democratic governor". Mike DeWine kind of made me realize I shouldn't do that.

Judge not by labels, but by actions.
Germany is already starting to administer antibody titers. We will know pretty damned soon how many of us have obtained immunity to the virus.
> Here you can be arrested for not doing it.

What do they do with the arrested people? Stack them up in overcrowded jails?
Which is going to need to be acceptable, because the alternative is much worse. The backstop is to keep checks on those who hold power.

And if no such checks can be kept, then whether we consider deplatforming acceptable is irrelevant, because the powerful will do whatever they want regardless.
How the Kushner Family Is Cashing in on Covid-19
The food exists the houses exist.
This works for a while, but we can't realistically expect to just shut the country down for the next year or so.

I read it more as a "Shut it all down please, then let's figure out which parts we can start to re-open in 4-6 weeks" order.
Ditto for some programmers who exhibit mind-boggling levels of Dunning-Kruger Syndrome.
Arrested? Where did you read that?
As others have said in other threads, pandemics are emphatically NOT black swan events. Making this assumption reveals a fundamentally flawed mental model which is broken for the same reason global supply chains are -- its time constant is far too short to account for major disruptive events that have extremely high probably of occurring and have well known effects on societies, and often well known methods for prevention and management. Earthquakes, and pandemics are not black swan events, and for civil engineers and state level actors neither are volcanic eruptions.
I think this is "business as usual" (which includes the bay area shelter-in-pace) and doesn't account for the shelter-in-place order from this afternoon.
Widespread testing? How does that help without any sort of transmission control measures?

What is up with this obsession with testing? We need to lower R0 and scale up medical infrastructure. Elimination at this point is a fantasy.

To be clear, testing is important. But to suggest that it should be the priority over isolation and distancing seems misguided.
This order won't get individuals arrested, either. It's more targeted at businesses: no place to go, why bother going out.
I presume that you mean "medical" doctor. I also presume that this is a hypothetical statement. You have not completed your medical training.

Would be very interesting to read about your experiences once you have become a doctor and then putting the two professional experiences into relative context.
I don't agree that something should stop working of course as that is just a straw man...rather from a pragmatic view of actual usage from my own perspective that seems to be fairly normal to use something else within 6 long years that renders the tech of the now obsolete in terms of attention over gathering dust so thus I stop caring whether it is supported or not.
Unfortunately, most of the bills thus far are means tested which means inevitably, people will fall through the cracks.
Where can I read the details? Are restaurants allowed to stay open if they are doing food delivery?
California is one of the most liberal states in the country, isn't this the perfect time to enact some of those "socialist" policies to ensure people stuck at home get the supplies they need? Forget about federal leadership, there's still a whole state government with agencies and employees ready to act. This is the time to show the rest of the country how to do it properly.
Depends on level of enforcement. I heard one criticism of the model used in this paper is that it doesn't account for superspreaders.

Besides, it's better to contain it 'too much' because then you can loosen restrictions a bit and still have managable number of cases, than not contain it enough and have run away process you won't be able contain even with most severe measures you are able to enforce.
Let’s get our lockdown going. Let’s join the ‘do it now, do it right’ club
Yes, for a time Xenix was used for some proportion of internal development, IIRC for DOS.

I think I read that on here somewhere. I unfortunately don't have a citation. Need to get a time machine to take me to whatever point in the future I sort out my bookmarks ._.
For people with young kids this means no more nannies.
I should have mentioned South Park: Stick of Truth and it's sequel, they are also nicely done and feel very dynamic.
if you have no reliable data you are shooting in the dark with mounting consequences
Details and a link to the actual order here:

https://covid19.ca.gov
violating this order is a misdemeanor
I mean inviting four different people into your home sounds silly if they're there at the same time or not! I guess people need internet to earn a living though.
Yeah, I've never met the guy and I'm always careful about trusting media reports directly in this kind of a witch hunt, but goddamn he spent at least 10 years double-dealing and behaving with incredibly poor ethics.

He might be good at the self-driving car stuff or he might not, I have no idea, but I wouldn't trust him with a ham sandwich.
Yeah. When supplies can't meet demand, raising prices serves to discourage people from buying more than they need or buying just to resell.
This is HN, so let's use tech nerd examples.

Do you want a single server handle the load, located in China?

Or a decentralized, load balanced system?

9bn users.

Go.
As has been explained almost ad nauseum at this point: diseases grow exponentially. The number of possible solutions that explode to infinity (well, to saturation) and those that dwindle rapidly to zero utterly dwarfs the number of solutions "in the middle". Fitting an exponential curve to go straight through an "almost miss" scenario is really hard, basically.

Essentially: either this disease overwhelms us, in which case most people you know will have had it and multiple people you know will have died, or (statistically) no one you know will have gotten sick and the whole thing will look like a nothingburger.

But it wasn't. It was a disease that would have killed tens of millions if unchecked, we just got it under control. At least, that's what we hope.
I still don't want to deal with maintaining a PC and managing Windows. Console are still way more convenient and so easy to own. You buy one and you are set for almost half a decade if not more. No need to constantly keep updating components, deal with drivers and software in general. I can just pick up the gamepad, press on button and dive right in.

I guess in that sense console ARE PCs, just very specialized ones meant to only play games and some other entertainment apps which to me still makes a lot of sense. I like that thing in my living room instead of a big box that needs constant attention on my desk.
I’ve been avoiding the news. How much will each American get? Will it be per individual, or only adults? Will people with children get more? Will it be more for more children? How many months worth of expenses should it cover?
Apple was doing some half-hearted enterprise-y efforts at the time like the Xserve. As an IT industry analyst at the time I got invited for various briefings related to such things. However, as you note, once the iPhone in particular really took off, Apple pretty much stopped pretending to be anything other than a consumer company, especially after BYOD became the norm.
What other company was better suited to take over? Google? FB? Amazon? None of them... MS is the only company I would trust at this point.
Historically, a reasonably safe vaccine has taken many years to develop. Rushing a vaccine through the system so it only takes months? Yeah, I not going to stand in line to get vaccinated.
className vs class is a non issue when you use CSS modules or CSS-in-JS.
I think that when there are calls for widespread testing it is a call for a system similar to what you see in S. Korea where there is a lot of testing, very quick contact tracing, and alerts about positive cases. This allows for lowering the R0 by isolating fewer people and letting more people continue to work.
I Am Not A Lawyer:

The order is pursuant to California Government Code § 8665 (https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/government-code/gov-sect-8665.h...):

Any person who violates any of the provisions of this chapter or who refuses or willfully neglects to obey any lawful order or regulation promulgated or issued as provided in this chapter, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punishable by a fine of not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000) or by imprisonment for not to exceed six months or by both such fine and imprisonment.
I agree with this reasoning, but the two party system + our primary process means I have limited say in the options (and rarely like them).
I have no qualifications to speak on this. Not sure if you do, too.

My interpretation is overreaction should be what's done to mitigate the pandemic for the foreseeable future. Right now, almost every country is playing catch-up.
If California’s “stay-at-home” order works and they extensively test everyone with suspected symptoms from now on, CA could be well on its way toward containment within a couple of months (not including ’imported’ cases from other states/countries).

I read that the paper cited does not include the effects of isolating cases and contact tracing to suppress new infections.

Added: Waiting period will result in asymptomatic people showing symptoms and they can then be tested and isolated. That is why the stay-at-home practice is useful during the incubation period. If the actual number of cases in CA is not too large and within family infections can be controlled, then part of everyday life can resume in about 1 month.
For a highly-contagious disease like this, we can safely assume the number are somewhat accurate as long as tests are being performed. Why? If we missed one case, they will continue to infect more people, as such, becoming much more noticeable. We can safely say fatality rate data from China would be an accurate overall estimation where its spread is contained.
> Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains?

"Hey guys, wait. Is neoliberalism actually a really stupid idea??"
The Midwest isn't uniformly avoiding contact. In Illinois they had a freaking election. Lots of elderly poll workers didn't show up (and were entirely justified in that), so they had to close a bunch of polling places and the remaining polling places were crowded and voters had to wait for hours. This fiasco definitely will have killed some people over the next month...
Swag maths on the business-as-usual scenario incoming, bound to be very wrong:

3.4% mortality rate among those presenting symptoms. (via WHO)

As low as 17.9% of cases asymptomatic: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/03/18/what-percen...

Of the symptomatic cases, 80.9% are mild (https://www.sciencealert.com/large-chinese-study-finds-most-...) and we're assuming only the ones that present risks are being tested.

So if the 25.5m figure stands correct, we're looking at what, a range of 195,000 to 695,000 possibly passed on in california before June depending on whether you apply it to not-mild (19.1%) cases v. all symptomatic (82.1%) cases?

I can't find any concrete sources on how anyone is calculating current mortality rates for the bug, but:

1. that swing is unfathomable to me

2. those numbers are unfathomable to me. Especially once extrapolated to the whole country assuming 56% of the nation contracts it.
I would buy a product version of this too, even though I have calendar notifications on 3+ devices.

I really like the aesthetics. There's something human about it -- it reminds me of Susan Kare's work on the original Macintosh [1]. There's so much soul and whimsy in what were nothing more than B&W pixeled icons. There's a certain timelessness to it. Another example: HyperCard's main screen [2].

Another Raspberry Pi digital display project I really like is this one [3], which mimics a train station display. The aesthetics is powerful here too because the fonts etc. reminds one of something familiar in the physical world.

[1] https://kare.com/apple-icons/

[2] https://blog.archive.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/MTIyMzI2...

[3] https://www.balena.io/blog/build-a-raspberry-pi-powered-trai...
Theoretically, unbridled transmission will follow a logisitic curve, which is exponential at the start. Test kit production, testing capacity would be linear with spikes when capacity is ordered to be increased or production facilities come online.
I've got a wife and two kids at home ....I WISH my biggest problem was boredom.
$1200/person, $500 per child with phase out.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-republicans-prepare-thir...

There's a good chance the house will revise aid for individuals upwards
Due process went out the window in this state a long time ago.
I think that it is a upside of BDFL model, unless it's someone incompetent. If you dig deep in the threads you'll find that so far his judgement on what to break or not has always been stellar. As long as you have someone as competent as Linus making the call, BDFL model is perfect.

RE getrandom(2): As Linus said several times, we don't break userspace rule does not apply to security bugs. If there's no other way to fix security bug other than breaking userspace, then userspace has to be broken, for obvious reason. If you don't understand that reason, you shouldn't really have a say in any such critical decision.
> more that companies have no idea what their supply chain actually looks like.

Except Walmart
The growth rate of infected deaths and the measurable mortality displacement makes that hypothesis extremely unlikely.

As does (albeit in a weaker form) the testing of the full population of Vò.

As does the testing in at least a few European countries, where the growth rate of tests outpaces that of confirmed infections. And/or where the number of tests administered vastly exceeds the number of confirmed infections.

Sure, once we have anti-body tests widely available, the data will become better.
I don't understand your logic. If you believe that policy* shouldn't be influenced by considerations like depression and abuse, why do we have policy about them at all?

The majority of people aren't depressed, yet we have all sorts of public facilities to help them. Do you think we shouldn't?

* You say global policy, but none of this is global policy - it's all national policy.
Exactly. People who bought large volumes of medical supplies early hoping to get rich are highly incentivized to spread it widely.
That's not the question. The question is if you object to a platform having a listing standard, can you at the same time not object to them having a ranking standard.

Because sophistry aside, being ranked 15,000 for "column 298" reasons is the same thing as being removed. And then being ranked by "column 298" is the same thing as being ranked by orangeness or whatever, it's a subjective score.
I’m not saying there isn’t a report on Gavin’s desk with a bunch of lines on it, one of which extends to 25.5M in 8 weeks.

Yes, if you double 1,000 14 or 15 times you get to 25.5M.

The problem is that the population of California is 40 million. Even with basically unmitigated spread, your clusters will slow growth simply due to lack of new available uninflected contacts.

Going from 1,000 people to 63% of your population in 8 weeks is frankly not a serious projection. Keep in mind this is a political document, not a scientific paper.
I agree with the obsession with the "test kits". The tests that are hard to come by, hard to process, and only detect active viruses.

Antibodies are what we need to be testing for. 10 minutes from blood to result. Works on formerly infected and currently infected.
Testing is rising extremely quickly in the US. Over 27,000 in the last 24 hours: https://covidtracking.com/us-daily/
In a way we have an experiment going on between California and New York since New York has so far declined to issue a shelter in place order. We'll really start to see if the curves diverge in another week, but new cases in New York already seem to be surging ahead of California.
There are promising treatments though, and these should show results within weeks or months.
It's pretty realistic in an unconstrained spreading scenario. That's exponential growth for you.
The idea is just to buy as much time as possible. There are hundreds of clinical trials for treatments going on across the planet...it's possible chloroquine may even be identified as prophylactic.

Also need to give our healthcare workers time to mobilize all their emergency measures to handle surge capacity. I'd imagine the Bay Area is about 2-3 weeks away from its peak number of cases given the quarantine just started last weekend.
Why We Are Not Doing Enough to Stop the Pandemic (in Simple Math)
The H1N1 epidemic in 2009 was objectively less contagious and less dangerous than COVID-19. In comparison, it grew mostly uncontained and eventually infected about a billion people. If COVID-19 was allowed to do exactly that we'd be looking at 10M fatalities, and realistically it would infect more people (being more novel than a mere flu).

The 25M number doesn't seem realistic because every country that has had a COVID-19 outbreak has freaked out trying to control it, and either succeeded via very expensive means or (in most cases) hasn't had the outbreak grow far enough to know whether or not they've failed.
This sounds like another good use for this powerless e-ink reader:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22604617

Maybe it could be hooked up to a microcontroller (Pi Zero with some NFC module or something) that turns on every 24h.
Not sure about him blaming the "professorly pace" of research though. That's the rate good research is done at. If you were expecting anything faster than you don't really understand what it was going to take in the first place
Really? I thought most of the puzzles were either insultingly easy or the same combat shrine for the 30th time. Granted, it's technically a product for kids so it makes sense that some of the content is that easy, but it's such a missed opportunity for the game to introduce so many cool ways of interacting with the world and never build up on them in the puzzles. There's not a single shrine in the game that uses more than two "apps" at once, and even those that do use two are so few and far between I can't remember a single example.
ZoL already worked around it months ago
Read the f*cking thing to the end!

"Perhaps our most significant conclusion is that mitigation is unlikely to be feasible without emergency surge capacity limits of the UK and US healthcare systems being exceeded many times over. In the most effective mitigation strategy examined, which leads to a single, relatively short epidemic (case isolation, household quarantine and social distancing of the elderly), the surge limits for both general ward and ICU beds would be exceeded by at least 8-fold under the more optimistic scenario for critical care requirements that we examined.In addition, even if all patients were able to be treated, we predict there would still be in the order of 250,000 deaths in GB, and 1.1-1.2 million in the US.

...
We therefore conclude that epidemic suppression is the only viable strategy at the current time.

"

ONE MILLION DEAD AMERICANS.

You shit your pants after 3000 died at 9/11.
Good luck with suppressing the virus in the US while 5 billion people in the world get infected.