skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
This author is making a bunch of tenuous equivalencies. A wet market does not have to have exotic animals, live birds or live mammals, undomesticated animals, or be dirty.

There are markets that get emptied out and thoroughly cleaned every night, and sellers bring fresh fish and domesticated slaughter every morning.

A call for the wholesale ban of wet markets without acknowledging that plenty of safe wet markets exist is hard to take seriously.
Loans, even cheap ones, are a very shity way of "helping" small businesses and individuals.

For example, a local restaurant where I live, will have to shut down for good in the next few days as they won't be able to afford their lease. If they get a loan for the lease, they'll be on the hook for that money with no guarantee of being able to pay it back and with way too much uncertainty in terms of when they'll be able to reopen the business.

It would be really bad for them to shut down, but it could be even worse if they take out a loan and then are not able to pay it back. Very bad situation to be in.

Same applies to individuals who will soon not be able to pay rent or other obligations. Loans are not a solution.
Yeah, heavily skewed towards people 70 and up.
I have no idea of any plans to start doing the testing, but:

https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/biomerica-begins-s...

https://www.biomedomics.com/products/infectious-disease/covi...

Maybe we need more people on Twitter to start demanding it? (I'm not really being sarcastic, as crazy as that sounds.)
You’re not using that on a Mac air.
It's positive for everyone who is smart enough to filter and interpret sources correctly, but is negative for everyone who isn't.

Remember, for every guy like you there's someone following QAnon and believing in that schizophrenic nonsense.
Should we be sanctioned for creating mad cow?
There is quite a bit of evidence actually. People are always quick to defend wet markets when they serve no real purpose over traditional markets.
Re 1: you’re probably picturing your local butcher shop. Don’t. Picture a pier in a coastal town. The lobsters? Alive. The oysters? Alive. In close proximity? Certainly. Sitting right beside a bunch of gutted fish and processed chum? Yup. That’s a wet market. You can’t name one thing going on in Wuhan that doesn’t happen on such a pier. Even the general approach of “whatever we catch, we sell” is the same.

And yet, nobody gets sick from that. Food poisoning in your sushi or your raw oysters, every time it’s been followed up, has turned out to be from the source (farming in bad conditions) or from transport (shipping hundreds of miles in non-refrigerated trucks), not from cross-contamination at a market.

Thus my point: clearly, some markets keep generating diseases; but if they’re doing the same thing as the markets that don’t generate diseases, then it’s likely not wet markets as a process for distributing food that are the problem here. Because some of them—almost all of them, in fact—work just fine. (Analogy: are “restaurants” a vector for disease? Not in general, no. Specific ones, certainly. But not as a concept. Something additional has to be going on.)

So, if you eliminate the process itself, what’s left? The inventory and its sourcing; the people and their own personal hygiene; and a few other things. In any case much less tasteful topics to argue about. Which is why people would prefer that this not be about those things, and instead be some endemic issue to meat markets.
I don't frame this problem space at all like you do.

I think there is value in doing work, but I don't think we need a system that ties your income to your labor per se. It's fine if the system ties your income to your ability to add value to the system in some way.

Education, know how and stewardship are all important ways to add value to the system. They are all ways to add value while reducing our own direct dependence on labor per se.

I'm fine with rich people owning shares in a company.

I'm fine with founders getting rich.

I'm fine with college grants and a system that actively encourages and financially rewards the pursuit of education.

I'm not okay with a system that cuts ties between human choices and financial outcomes because I think when you do that, you will eventually kill the goose that's laying your golden eggs.

People need to know "The goose is sacred. Don't kill the goose. This how the gold gets made."

And UBI sends the signal that it comes from nowhere for doing nothing and I think that's a fast track to cutting our own throats.

Insisting humans need to still figure out how to effectively interact with the system so the system produces things of value is intended to protect the ability of the world to keep producing things of value. I think UBI destroys that.

I think it is a superficial, inelegant answer. We need deep and elegant answers.

We aren't going to find them if we don't even bother to look because we went with UBI.
For more information, check this brilliant thread by Michelle Kendall: https://twitter.com/mishkendall/status/1239946522390867969
Part of the problem is people who think mortality rate is the same as case fatality risk (CFR). You are one of them too, so look it up.
Can't fit a sigmoid if you haven't found the inflection point yet.
would she have improved similarly by reducing carbs and increasing essential amino acids consumption, effectively protein, even if not from meat?
I would get a masters degree in AI or data analysis. or an MBA.
Why are you looking to what you refer to as nonsense peddlers for evidence that there have been attacks? I actively avoid and dislike the media too, but that means I discount everything they say, not just the things I dislike.

How about I provide some personal anecdata instead?

My (Asian) parents -- who prefer Fox over CNN and vote right, in case anyone fears they're under the spell of frothing journalists -- have been more nervous about going about in public. My dad's car's mirror was smashed a couple nights ago.

In a similar way that I'm not as deeply affected by the current economic environment as a low wage worker is, you're not as affected by the cultural perception as people like my family are. With that in mind, I ask that you acknowledge that such acts could very well be more common than the sensationalized ones that liberal media eagerly pounce upon, and thus more common than you personally might be aware of.
I don't know about Japan specifically but in the Caribbeans we'd often ship shrimps and other seafood in carbonic ice ("dry ice" in layman terms, turns solid below −56.4 °C (−69.5 °F). It has the added benefit of leaving no residue. I noticed as a child that there's little to no smell when using this.

Afaik (1990s), it's just more expensive (and possible frostbites without gloves iirc), so we don't use it when normal ice works, but I can see Japan using that for all wet markets (because sushi of all things).
My, also not epidemiologist estimate, would be that the only way to have any measure on the spread today when comparing countries is the number of deaths per capita compared to the strain of the healthcare system. Add some factor for the mean time from infection to death and you have it.

Everyone who is ill enough to be about to die will end up in a hospital, with the virus already being transmitted in the society the point in testing everyone else is trending towards negligible.

Sure if the measures taken allows the rate becomes low enough again, then contact tracing might become worth doing again.

You can also try to do statistical tests on some cohorts of population and extrapolate from there but if the resources are limited then saving lives counts more.
Those animals are dead
This.

20% of cases require hospitalization. Once the hospitals are taken out, the fatality rate skyrockets and we're in the nightmare phrase - 400+ people died in Italy, today.
Time to reban them.

They were banned after SARS and that worked, no new diseases from China for a few years. Then they were permitted again and we got MERS and now COVID-19.

China needs to learn its lesson for good this time...
Why not fix the root of the problem and remove the totalitarian socialist regime forcing it's citizens to resort to eating wild animals from questionable sources because of the lack of economic opportunity available to them. Forgive the crassness there but in a fairer less restrictive economy this almost certainly wouldn't have been a problem.
I don't think such information is worth violating the final wishes of our elders. I doubt any of those people died thinking that someone was going to come to rifle through their belongings and put them in a drawer.
'They don't care about safety': Amazon workers struggle with pandemic demand
I appreciate the detailed response.
China is not only place where these viruses appear. The swine flu appeared in North America, some kinds of flu appeared in other places like the Middle East. The only thing special about China is that it has a lot of people, so there is a higher probability of human-virus contact.
Consul runs over a different connections with mutual TLS auth. That's the project we use!
GP said that in reference to rescinding a job offer after notice given, new job accepted, and old job left, not a 'layoff' exactly.
There isn't. A wet market is a traditional market...
It's incredibly frightening.
What market are then in that went from 7 figures a month to zero?
The intelligent skydiver knows better than to allow the government to pack his chute.
Depending upon what you're looking for we might be able to help. ML company in London that's open to fully remote people.

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Spreading misinformation isn't helpful. Doing it to win political points is immoral. Doing it when it's easily checked if downright dumb.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/student-loan-borrowers-will-...

It's happening but as with all government programs, there is inertia in the current system. It was better to announce it and let the relevant organizations iron out the details than to do it the other way around. Bottom line is student loan interest is being waived for the time being. The multiple people you know who insist it's not true are free to continue to pay their interest though it will be applied to their principle instead.
You could use a Duff's device instead of computed labels, then you'd have a portable implementation.
What does overvalued even means? You cannot compare historic prices in isolation. Value is relative, so while yes ratios are higher and have been higher the past few years, stocks were still undervalued compares to bonds, real estate, commodities etc. It's useless to compare 1980s stock prices when interest rates were at 13% to now. That's why you usually see the "stocks are a bubble, too expensive" from retail investors that just cannot understand relative value and fixate on the "good old times". It's simple, getting 13% returns on bonds meant that stocks would always underperform in terms of yield so they had a lower relative value. This is why no one professional investor is waiting for a return to those level. Because they would be impossible and non sensical.
It's true that these viruses have arisen in other places. But it is not true that there is nothing special about China. Chinese wet markets are uniquely susceptible to the generation of these sorts of pathogens, for reasons that are explained all over in the comments of this thread, and in the original article.
Look at the mortality specifically in places which overtest: South Korea, Japan, Taiwan. There it looks closer to 1%. There are additional factors to consider like population age, but there Italy is the outlier, not South Korea.
If you expect depression plus inflation, wouldn't buying TIPS make more sense? Silver might have higher volatility in a depression, but TIPS probably won't, and they hedge against inflation as well as silver.
Do you have any arguments about what is actually being said in the video?
This sounds very anti-indigenous. There is nothing wrong with hunting.
They did, but they also wasted a lot of time in January, allowing the virus to travel the world. But as you mentioned, other nations made similar mistakes, and they had the benefit of being warned.

However, when it comes to the question of responsibility for preventing a third SARS outbreak originating from China, the answer lies with the CCP.
On top of that - and I think this isn't seriously reported on just yet - you start bleeding doctors and nurses, especially as nobody in the West has enough PPEs to keep them safe. There are only so many of them to go around.
Is any of the parents statement in doubt?
That is a lie and you really should stop trying to repeat it. There is no evidence at all that this virus originated in the US and a metric shit-ton of evidence that it comes from Wuhan. Given your comment history as an apologist for the CCP I am not surprised by the lie, but I still feel compelled to call it out.
> What's the basis of this claim? I use FF as my default browser, and I have not experienced anything like this?

Not @op, but my thoughts on the matter (for what it's worth, I also use Firefox):

Pocket. Just try disabling it. Good luck getting it all.

Then there's the advertisements displayed on the default home page.

Firefox account and Sync. Non-starter for me. I have zero interest in storing credentials in my browser (eg, passwords, autofill, etc) and even less interest in storing anything browser-related outside of my machine; I have no interest in synchronizing tabs across devices using the browser's own functionality.

Then there's the bits about recommending extensions or features as you browse.
There was a vaccine for H1N1.
"Wuhan virus", "Chinese virus" are not racist terms. "Kung Flu" is people making funny a serious thing because "Kung Fu" "Kung Flu". I would not level any of that up to racism.
The best argument I heard against this was - if you ban them, you just drive them underground. Where there can (by definition) be no regulation.
The CCP silenced the doctors who tried to sound the alarm and made numerous missteps. They should be held accountable.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-it-all-started-chinas-early...
>giving us time (we wasted) to prepare.

If that's anything to go by, we're fucked when it comes to climate change.
"it's a great path if it's one you want to take" is now one of my favorite phrases ever.
With the majority of companies not at all well positioned for work-from-home, I would bet that many business-oriented SaaS companies (that do something useful) are going to be picking up new customers. As a result, they'll probably be hiring people esp. related to operations/customer support.
Partially, and there's plenty of hosts that offer it. We're trying to make things like full stack Rails monoliths at the edge possible.
You are missing the forest for the trees.

When people talk about app store moderation, they're talking about a moderation team deciding which apps are abusive and which ones aren't. They're not talking about the underlying mechanism of, "there's a system that verifies an app doesn't violate its manifest."

The relevant part of the app store that people in this thread are talking about are the decisions about, "should a specific app that asks for location permissions be allowed on the store?" Code signing doesn't have anything to do with that decision. It's an implementation detail. The important part is not "Facebook is signed to a specific manifest", it's "Facebook's app will be rejected if it's submitted with a manifest that asks for privileges that aren't consumer-friendly."

The decision about which apps are allowed on the store is the part of the App Store that's relevant. When people question whether or not app stores improve security, what they're asking is, "does a centralized malware filter improve security?"

You could have a Gatekeeper model that worked the exact same way as Android, where the Manifest was required and the user confirmed the Manifest. Even in that world, Apple's sandboxing would still be better than Android's, because the capabilities Apple offers in the manifest are more intelligently split up, and can be granted in more limited degrees.

The question is whether Apple's security stats are due to moderation, or largely due to having a better set of permissions. I strongly maintain that there is not enough clear data for anyone to claim that the moderation is objectively the main contributor to those stats.

And that's really the only claim that djsumdog was ever making -- that it's questionable whether every company adding an app store to every platform is actually going to make most people safer.
No the UN should get serious and start pointing out the human rights violations for which they are guilty. The Chinese people deserve better than this.
PM@cockroach labs here. Which tools did you experiment with? We've been working to increase our tooling capabilities!
I am not sure how this is comparable. There is a concept called degree of risk. Bats are known for being reservoir of zootonic viruses unlike common farm animals like chickens, cows etc. Moreover, eating bats is easier to give up provided that we already have lots of other safer alternatives of meats.
According to them, trying to make themselves look good.
In a wet market, animals are alive: https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-chinese-we...
Also noted, SK's infected populations are overwhelmingly skew towards young population during their 20s from the cult cluster.

This won't be the case for other countries. 1% is way too optimistic at this point.
Let me think about it... Some people in the food industry fed dead sheep to cows and thus created a whole new form of transmissible, deadly desease. Hmmm... Yes I think that falls into the same category.
This is such a weak comment. It introduces no new data or arguments and simply casts emotion about from a biased viewpoint.

Comments like these are cratering any value the HN forums used to have. Please stop for the good of the community.
The solution to this should be to use the db's security/permissions model.

For example, with postgres: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49261452/combining-row-l...
Traditional Medicine is a disgrace. As is any other kind of “alternative” medicine regardless of which culture it springs from. It’s either medicine or it’s not medicine; there is no third category.

The people peddling this stuff either either know it doesn’t work or they have no idea if it works or even harms their patients.

They’re charlatans and it’s one driver for extinction worldwide.

It’s the same kind of pernicious, regressive meme as the western “wellness” industry and we should all be scared of it.
House Democrats Scale Back Paid-Leave Program in Coronavirus-Aid Bill
Just to address that specific example, Tsukiji closed a year and a half ago and relocated to Toyosu, which looks like this: https://asianinspirations.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/...
I haven't read the article, but it seems much more likely that a virus be able to jump from a mammal to a human than a mollusk to a human
This would also tamp down on poaching and general animal abuse. The challenge is unless you reduce the actual demand for TCM you will just shift to black/gray markets which is likely net worse. I don’t know how to reduce that demand except through education and generational change.
The risk to human health from gutted mammals is much higher than from lobsters, because viruses are more often compatible between more closely related species.

A reasonable restriction would be on wet markets for mammals, excepting a few where the safety properties are well known like cows.
Amazon having centralized control is OK but a government having control is not?

China was able to effectively mobilize in ways that are putting us to shame. We should follow their lead and our own path to success in WWII.
Why pretend this is novel? All visual media select for prettier people, and every single company that wants to operate from (or in) China will do the rest of the slimy pro-state censorship.
IGG
Because you can't rip the display off your macbook when you want to browse HN in bed? The convertibility is the point.
If you don’t like dongles, just buy the right cable.
I'm sorry, what? They only started to do the right thing once they realized a cover-up wouldn't be successful [1]. Even then, we're still hearing about attempts to silence scientists and destroy evidence.

[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/world/asia/china-coronavi...
It is utterly bizarre to believe that eating different animal flesh will provide some sort of unique medicinal properties. It’s all pretty much muscle or fat tissue which is all very similar between wildly different organisms. Animals aren’t like plants or fungi which make a huge library of secondary metabolite compounds that do work as medicine. Like all archaic belief systems, let us hope that with enough time the light of science shines in.
Obama's response to the ebola crisis reminds me of the trolley problem. By making an attributable action to avert a bigger disaster for a smaller one he became accountable for the outcome. As the larger disaster never materialised he never received due credit.

It seems like Western democracies are very ill-equipped to deal with problems of this nature where all future outcomes are bad and the chosen executive has to deliberately choose the least worse. Facing such scenarios it's often the case our leaders choose not to take any political damage and do nothing until we are at the edge of catastrophe or take half-hearted measures that solve nothing. To take any deliberate and effective action would be not seen be seen as prescient aversion, but considered a wasteful diversion. The social, political and media environments, in particular the "news of the day" media, of the West are suited to guiding executives towards quick and decisive actions in the midst of the crisis because they are biased towards describing the here and now rather than the where and when. For most problems a society faces this may be a sufficient means of dealing with those issues. However in pandemics there are two catastrophes happening simultaneously, the one people think is happening in their midst based on the here and now, and the far more severe catastrophe epidemiologists know is happening based on the where and when. At the start of this crisis Western governments reacted to the former in the expected manner, that is with half-hearted measures and a dismissive attitude, what we needed was for them to react to the crisis epidemiology was describing.

There is very little excuse for Western governments during this pandemic. They caught a lucky break with the SARS outbreak in 2003 and became complacent, choosing not to bolster responses to epidemics as Japan, Taiwan and S.Korea have done. Then they wasted the time lag between the virus outbreak in China to it reaching their countries by declining to take effective actions.
> At some point, the financial cost is too severe for the majority of us who will survive this thing. We need to just resume business and accept there is a death toll. This is war. That’s my unpopular opinion on things anyway.

I utterly hate that option. But I'm afraid that if we don't find a medicine which can help for the 1/5th with serve syndromes we might be going there. In both the EU and the USA.

Following is somewhat a Conspiracy Theory don't take serious:

I was even wondering if some of the delays in taking measurments around some countries was not incompetence but intentional to strike a heartless ugly balance between economical impact and people dying. But then they underestimated it waited to long and now regret it.

And yes dying people do have a hard economical impact anyway, but companies being closed of over a long time can become economically worse then even 5% of the whole population dying. Mainly because we have a messed up broken economical system which is completely incapable to gracefully handle such emergency situations :(
Imagine the unlucky individual that undercooked a bat and triggered a global pandemic and recession.
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