skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
It's true that I didn't take that into account, I suppose. However, I'm not sure what the scope of the panic is going to be... self-imposed quarantine, again, will be selective location-wise, risk-wise, and overall won't prevent the economy from functioning nearly as much as what is currently going on. In fact, when Italian healthcare was collapsing a doctor on FB was railing at people for thinking it was bad and still going out to dinner.

But yeah that's another factor against this.
I am at a loss. Fox News hosted Devin Nunes on a Sunday morning news show. Did I miss something?
I did take that into account.
From what I see reported, death rate with access to health care is 0.5%, without 2.5-3.5%. So the difference is the 2-3% that I was using.
Any storage device I buy gets at least a full pass of read/write testing, any errors means it's being returned as not fit for purpose. SSDs and HDDs get 8 full passes.
Still fair to callout someone that only considers personal risk for being selfish.
I get that, and you're right that using language from the article itself is far better than making up something of your own. Still, the guidelines ask you not to rewrite titles unless they're misleading or linkbait. Cherry-picking a detail from an article and making that the title is editorializing—in fact it's the leading form of editorializing.

Titles are by far the most powerful influence on HN threads. The one who controls the title controls the discussion, and on HN we want that control to go not to the submitter, but to the article itself—except when it's abusing it by being misleading or linkbait. In that case, changing the title is necessary, and then it's best to find the most representative language in the article (which might be a subtitle, the URL, the HTML doc title, a photo caption, or a factual sentence from the main text) and make that the title instead.

On HN, submitting an article confers no extra right to frame the article for everyone else. If you want to say what you think is important about an article, that's great, but please do so via a comment in the thread. That way your view will be on a level playing field with everyone else's.

I've posted a lot about this in the past if you or anyone wants further explanation:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
Ask HN: Is it safe for Corona survivors to meet with other Corona survivors?
No requirement to use any particular payment processor.
The goal of the supply chain right now is to get supplies staged in geographical regions so that anyone can have access cheaply.

These acts of arbitrage aren't solving market inefficiencies. They're cutting holes in the preventative fabric so to speak. While clearly there are different levels of risk tolerance within the audience of HN and amongst people at large, this was clearly something that struck very few as behavior to be encouraged in any form.
Increasing the risks of catching the disease from 2 per 100,000 to 8 per 100,000 does not sound that bad. It’s an additional 6 cases per 100,000 and ~0.3 deaths per 100,000.

Clearly a significant issue, but less so if it was likely to prevent a serious illness. The real issue was the vaccine was administered for a disease that never gained a significant foothold.
The Melbourne Symphony Orchestra will be streaming their performances live on YouTube, starting from tonight's (in about 3 hours): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCBYvd5LKa4
A man with 17,700 bottles of hand sanitizer just donated them
You've posted incorrect and incomplete "facts". Many others in this thread has posted more complete data, please educate yourself and also consider those around you that are more vulnerable.
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no home office equipment need not cost hundreds of dollars per item.
What are these "better languages" you speak of? Because I've been looking for a good C replacement but to no avail. C++, D, Nim, Go, Rust, Zig, Odin, etc; I've looked into them but none convinced me.
As far as I know there is no treatment for COVID-19. Why do they need testing to determine treatment?
Let say someone is in 0.2% survival group and has pretty good immune system.

also tried of uncertainty.

curious what happens if that person go to corona virus testing wait line and hug some people :)). Get the virus and hope to develop the immunity.

How logical and scientific is this idea?
Has anyone thought about what will happen once other countries start getting better? They might as well quarantine the UK as a redzone area.
> The difference here is that there is no underlying financial issue.

This is like looking at just the income statement as sign of business health. Balance sheet and cash flow are pretty important.
I'm pretty sure that a large part of the people working on legacy code bases would like to have a safer language. You don't move on to a better language if that means rewriting your whole project.
I do think it’s important to consider the pros and cons of any given policy, but I think this comparison is a bit extreme.

There are about 35k car crash deaths in the US each year [0].

I’ve seen estimates for total infection rate all over the map. Conservatively (?) if 30% of the US population is eventually infected and the fatality rate is 1%, that’s 1 million people, and basically two orders of magnitude larger for a comparable (?) time period. If we don’t do more than we currently are to limit transmission, these figures don’t seem that implausible.

Auto deaths are still a huge problem, but we can take more targeted action like improving transit coverage.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_...
Stock market is a tricky gauge. People sell for all sorts of reasons even if some of it is rational. Always good to remember that the fact that there’s a sale also means there’s a buyer. Another fact is there could be large number of shares that never traded. It’s hard to dissect this information from price alone. All we know from a dip is that there’s more demand to sell than buy. That’s hardly enough information to see the full picture.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/us/coronavirus-quarantine...

> The C.D.C. rewrote its quarantine guidelines in 2017 and they have never been tested in court. The Supreme Court has also never dealt with an infectious disease quarantine case, [Lawrence O. Gostin, a professor at Georgetown University Law School who specializes in public health law] said.
Atrocious? For an unsecured loan?
Only because of the panic. The narrative fairly recently was "why bother, more people die from the flu"; which isn't true, but basically the effect of everyone around merely being sick, with 80+% mild cases, would not be nearly as dramatic as envisioned, I think. I did not account for that in my original comment, but it's not going to be end of the world.
And yes, we will eventually get to 40-60% infection rate unless we go into a permanent lockdown, the question is just how fast.
Even better would be concrete solution specifications (link to something of substance?).

We've torn down about a million SROs in recent decades and zoned out of existence a lot of housing options that are being termed Missing Middle Housing.

The current YIMBY movement and Missing Middle Advocacy is the latest attempt to try to address this issue. New Urbanism was a previous one.

None of them get at the roots of the problem, which date to "the boys" returning home from WW2 and the birth of the modern American suburb.

In a nutshell, the vast majority of our housing financing mechanisms, tax incentives, etc etc are aimed at helping people get single family detached homes and homes today are more than twice the size they were in the 1950s while housing about one less person.

So our housing policies have caused "home inflation" in some sense. Homes are bigger and have more amenities -- or don't exist at all.

We now expect single people to rent a place designed for a nuclear family and get roommates to fill the empty bedrooms and split the rent. Then we make movies, like Single White Female, about what a nightmare it is to be forced to make ends meet by living with a total stranger and do nothing to change our policies.

I've made several stabs at trying to write about this, but none of that has gotten any traction.

Here's a few things by me:

http://projectsro.blogspot.com/2019/11/americas-housing-ghos...

https://americanhomeworks.blogspot.com/

https://streetlifesolutions.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-missing...

You are right that posting on the internet is mostly a waste of time. But I'm medically handicapped, so it's where I spend the majority of my time, though I would prefer to actually have a life. I simply don't.

I am involved in stuff locally in my small town. I'm no one important and it may never lead to better housing here. On the upside, the local police department does hand out my fliers for homeless resources -- which is mostly websites, mostly written by me. So maybe the time I spend online isn't a total waste.

Have a great day.

Edit: Those are not intended to be "substantive" supporting links. I've studied this problem space for decades. I wanted to be an urban planner before life got in the way. I don't know of any other sources that will say exactly what I would like them to say. Sorry.
Effective sure, but surely you could have a fairer way.

For example, one of the variant of debt cancellation I hear about is the proposal by Sanders and Warren to cancel all student debt. Isn't that extremely unfair to people who chose to not go to college because tuition is costly? Isn't it unfair to people who put financial prudence in front of needless consumerism, by saving more to pay down their student debt?
> The particular weirdness I’m thinking of is I’ve seen more than one drives just seem to die, just because you try and repartition them in Windows. Not even filling the drives up.

I’ve absolutely had this issue. Lots. I can’t figure out why either. I have about half dozen Micro SD cards that now say they’re not formatted, and error when trying to format them in windows. All of them “broke” during a simple repartition in Disk Manager.

I’ve had minor success with some of them using fdisk to “repair” them but others just fail there too.
Landlords don't have expenses?
>The UK's answer to the problem is starting to look a lot more sensible than total economic chaos being caused by all other methods.

Closed shops can be reopened, dead people can't be brought back.

EDIT: it really scares me to see there a real actual living human beings on HN here who would in all seriousness downvote this.
I thought they encoded actual banned books into the map. This is cool though it looks really nice.
There's a difference between making a reasonable profit, and an unconscionable one. The latter is what the poster seems to be referring to.
No, but it could normalize doing all of that in the future. Giving up rights once usually make these rights less untouchable in the future which doesn't have to mean that the current measures will be permanent.
I'm a little surprised that commercial landlords of businesses that are affected aren't stepping up to offer rent concessions. Yes, I get they don't want to take a hit -- but they're generally in much better positions to do so than restaurants and cafés that run on less than 5% profit margins during good times.

(And, yes, I'm sure the more leftist and anti-capitalist out there will say "but are you really surprised?," and they'll absolutely have a point.)
Can you operationalize that? I find it very hard to be charitable with that kind of response; by "not human", do you mean "not donates-to-save-one-kid-with-cute-photo-and-a-story-instead-of-100-kids-without-those human"?
Senegal is reportedly turning coronavirus tests around 'within 4 hours'
I think the idea is that you perform chest compressions and pump a bellows at the same time with the same motion so you don't need a second person to breathe air into them. Just a guess.
The context was in harm to retail stores that can't do delivery, not in problems for the consumer.
Just look at some of the comments in this very thread, calling for us to adopt the "UK model".

It's clear that some people DO NOT see this as a threat worth worrying about. Shame on them, I say. They're probably the same idiots that show up to work sick, and cough without covering their mouth around others.

A lot of people who apparently don't believe in biology, and don't have the ability to see past their own 2 feet.
Because it happened to onions.
Your explanations really help! I think I can see where k/APL-alike proponents are coming from; the semantics make sense, and it'd come down to recognizing what symbols or group of symbols do. It might take a bit of going back and forth with a reference, but it isn't impossible.

Yet another question: how would performance analysis of this function work? Does the interpreter actually materialize arrays for stuff like (x='(')-x=')', so you'd have several iterations over the entire input array?

Again, thanks for your great explanations! I'll definitely put k on my list of languages to explore in my free time.
And they kept the interest rates zero from 2008 to 2015, and spent trillions to prop up asset prices via quantitive easing.

When they pumped the price to astonishing heights till 2015, what they did in 2018 was too late.
Like it makes assumptions about the device other than ‘this is just a set of blocks on flash memory’ and actually needs things on the disk at a file system level to be a certain way for it to work properly?

The wear leveling algorithms are usually written to assume you're using FAT32 as the filesystem and certain parameters of it, but those assumptions are optimisations for wear and speed, not requirements --- AFAIK the last time I looked at this stuff in any deep detail, they weren't so crazy as to try to read the block content to determine the layout/filesystem, but those were still the days when 100k SLC was the norm and 10k MLC met with reliability skepticism.

The race for capacity means flash endurance has taken a steep nosedive with things like TLC/QLC, so if anything it's not really the firmware that's crap, it's the flash itself --- and the firmware is increasingly trying to compensate for it. For the cheapest USB/SD I think the firmware is actually stored in reserved areas of the flash itself, so any corruption has a much higher chance of rendering the device unusable.
I know this is horrible, but likely not too many. In Italy they are currently kicking people over 60 out of the hospitals to make way for the younger people who are more likely to survive with medical treatment.
Has anybody done it? Is there any effort to collect them incase ventilators get scarce, I wonder?
Let's tackle recruitment. I've seen trials recruit really fast and that took a month. It's not like someone says "hey I'd like to take part in this trial" and you give them a shot of drug. You need to screen everyone who comes in. Basic labs, then make sure they don't have some other disease that will mess up the results. That's just one part of it.

Then in terms of the trial, 6 months would be nice, but it wouldn't be ethical to actually expose them to the virus. You'd simply need to recruit a very large number of patients and see if the treatment groups has less disease than the non-treated group. With infection rates pretty low across the entire population, you'd need to recruit thousands, just to capture the handful that actually get exposed.

Then when it comes to analysis, you need to clean the data (yes, there will be errors), then you need to do a statistical analysis of not only efficacy but every possible side effect. You're probably measuring things like viral shedding, so that's another entire dataset. Oh, then you'll have missing data. Do you toss that patient's data out entirely? Or keep them? What impact does that have on your conclusion?

I could go on and on, but suffice to say it's a ton of work. And yes, you can speed up some parts, but other parts you just have to let them run their course.
Sadly, the difference seems to be in the level of "clear and present danger" your life threatening medical condition represents to the life of others around you.

If you have a condition effecting a relatively small population incapable of mustering enough leverage to get policy makers to move against corporate interests, you have a very uphill battle to fight.
The author claims that:

> In C89, undefined behavior is interpreted as, “The C standard doesn’t have requirements for the behavior, so you must define what the behavior is in your implementation, and there are a few permissible options”.

That's a serious misinterpretation. C89 says that "Permissible undefined behavior" includes "ignoring the situation completely with unpredictable results". There is absolutely no requirement to document what those "unpredictable results" might be.

The standard joke is that one possible consequence of undefined behavior is making demons fly out of your nose -- not because that's actually possible, but because actually making demons fly out of your nose would not violate the standard. That's equally true in C89 and all later versions of C. The change in C99 from "Permissible" to "Possible" made no difference. The phrase "imposes no requirements" has always meant exactly that. (And if you think the change from "Permissible" to "Posisble" is semantically significant, then it would have been a recognition of what was already accepted.)

The idea of "nasal demons" goes back to 1992. http://catb.org/jargon/html/N/nasal-demons.html
This is what the australian gov't intends to do - allow businesses to tax deduct, fully up-front, any capital expenditure during this period (up to some limit i recall). There's also loans available too apparently (tho how that's structured is something i haven't found out yet).
You are, obviously, free to do that -- regardless of how stupid it seems.

If you do, however, please at least have enough respect for the rest of society to isolate yourself as much as possible afterwards.
I predict a 1% chance of that happening in the US. The 1% is due to the possibility that so many people are affected that they overthrow the government.
You mean .2% with medical treatment, 10% without medical treatment. If you do this today you're not going to get symptoms for a week, and wouldn't need hospitalization for another week or two after that. By that point you're at serious risk of dying in a parking lot outside a hospital.
The system doesn't come with your morality and doesn't operate to provide livelihood to the greatest number of people.

Pity the man who was able to show the unequalness the market may bring if you must. But many of the changes in laws can be attributed to holes in the system that were exposed.
What odds are you giving on "On a per capita basis, the US will have a better time than Italy"... the worst affected country so far?
The WHO mission to China couldn’t find the supposed submerged iceberg of undetected cases. They tested 320,000 people in Guangdong province, found very few they hadn’t traced through contacts.

Diamond princess looking to be 1% mortality. Korean mortality matches China’s, when you adjust for age groups.

Further, mortality rises when the health system is overwhelmed, as in lombardy and wuhan. The math of this suggests every place gets overwhelmed without containment.

Not only does coronavirus morality rise, but you ALSO get excess mortality as the hospitals are taken out of commission for stuff like heart attacks, trauma, etc. hospitals become covid-19 treatment centers.

Source on WHO mission: https://www.vox.com/2020/3/2/21161067/coronavirus-covid19-ch...
raises hand

The sort of optimizations that compilers abuse UB for aren't that useful, actually, and they don't actually require a compiler anyway; it's more about compiler writers overfitting for benchmarks.
Not at all.

But, if the US is ~11 days behind Italy in terms of infection rate, then we can expect a lockdown by ... Friday, March 20.

Good Lord.
Delivery drivers (excluding ready to eat food delivery) is actually an interesting job. You would imagine it is social, but typically they just spend so their time in their truck or bringing packages to front doors. There typically is no interaction with people, unless they require a signature.

I would imagine their risk of contracting the disease is much lower than majority of people.

If they would be asked to stop performing their job it would be to be with solidarity with the rest of people. It's not like the air is poisoned.
I don't think this is hurricane prep. I was in Miami for Andrew. Hurricanes knock out power for weeks. Kids wouldn't be able to learn from home during that. I can't really think of another scenario where kids are stuck at home while infrastructure is all fine other than the one we currently find ourselves in.
Have you tried Linux? It tends to be better at low-level access, or at least give a more informative error message.
Counterpoint: the west has had quarantine measures in its traditions for centuries, while developing the individual rights approach. We haven’t had to use them much in living memory, but they were not permanent in the past.

Quarantine has been a necessary fact of human life for centuries. We just lived in a blessed time.
This is infuriating, I am visibly shaking. Why can't Google act out of the interest of user privacy and stop collecting data in these dire times for once? Charge me $5, but stop collecting data about me.

Edit: Sorry about my language.
I believe there is or was a mouse model for SARS.
How did you make the landing page?
Except "working age people" are pretty much not impacted by this. The massive death rates are for people with existing preconditions: heart disease, lung problems, etc. There have been no deaths with children.

Practically speaking, the only thing a "working page person" (<60) could do is unknowingly spread the virus to someone else.
For those tested positive they trace/record your travels and put it online so everyone can see if they may have been in the area.
Greg Egan's short stories have been just the right dosage of mind-blowing for me, I'm a little intimidated by his more esoteric books, to be honest.
Wow, the responses...
How many tests have they done? The spread pretty clearly seems to be all over the US at this point.
No, it's not the same set, and it's not limited. Employees have different shifts, days off, vacation, callouts, etc. They all still go home after work and interact with their family. And the working conditions essentially guarantee that if one person is carrying the virus, everyone in the kitchen will get it, which is certainly not true in front-of-house.

This is a government policy that essentially tells low-paid line cooks and kitchen staff they are disposable and a lower priority than all the relatively wealthy people whose meals they are preparing.
Any instance of undefined behavior should result in a Warning, if not an Error.

Similarly, 'dead code paths' should also result in a Warning, if not an Error. (Possibly with a way of turning that off for specific functions.)

I also fully agree with the author's statement about what a good compiler should be doing.
Some cases are getting remdesivir which looks pretty promising.
Sure and many things for inviting
It has been refreshing to see the mask come off of those feigning care about "undesirables" who would be disproportionately affected by this virus. At the end of the day we come down to economic calculations to decide whether to let hundreds of thousands to millions of people die in this country.

The moral choice isn't always the most efficient one. I wonder if we will have the courage to make the moral choice?
There was nothing wrong with the SD cards physically, they weren't formatted properly for the sound recording device. There was zero data loss, it was a data access issue. An initial format would have helped avoid the problem. I'm not sure the lesson you state is the lesson the author was trying to share.