skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Also this is very different per nation. E.g. Germany has labs in most university clinics and a tight network of private commercial labs, which are nearly all able to test for COVID-19, while the situation in Italy regarding tests was much much worse, so they didn't see it comming at all.

So how can one really compare the numbers between nations when their testing capabilitied are so different?

The ground truth is certainly deaths - if you know the mortality rate if the virus you can infer from the number of deaths how many people had been infected at some point in the past.

Of course it would be much better to have an idea how many people are infected now, so you can base your decisions on it..

The dangerous thing about viruses is that they grow in a logistic curve and the first part of that curve is exponential. So things can grow out of proportion literally overnight, like they did in Italy.
Warehouses are huge spaces with lots of stuff and relatively few people. You could have 10 - 20 people running a million square foot warehouse. You could have half that in an emergency situation. These workers can have their own tasks that take them to different parts of the warehouse where they don't need to interact frequently.

That's like two orders of magnitude away from bars and restaurants, where you're deliberately placed single digit ft away from everybody else.
> Not sure how this is relevant to my post.

Many older people cannot just stop getting medical care, and by doing so will be exposed to COVID-19. Especially because hospitals and clinics are overwhelmed by COVID-19 patients.

> The nursing home could stock up and ban people from coming in or out of it.

And all the nursing home staff will be locked inside and not leave for months? Where do they sleep / shower etc?None of the nursing home staff have families or children to care for?
> "Italy should have locked down hospitals first, but it's kinda impractical"

It's kinda pointless to quarantine people and then let them have visitors. I guess it's obvious in hindsight, but it's still hard to understand how this wasn't already obvious then.
Ok, so restaurant supply companies, like Sysco, or the Krogers, Publix, etc.?

Linemen for powerline infrastructure, HVAC and telecom techs to maintain the cell towers?

Truck drivers to deliver chemicals needed for both water and waste-water treatment? Also, transporting the sludge afterwards?

Garbage pickup?

Doctors,nurses, police, firefighters, 911 dispatchers?

What am I not thinking of?
> With interest rate at near 0 percent
We don’t even know what “cases” really means. So many people have been infected and not tested by this point. It is estimated over 200k have been infected in the USA and have not required medical help or felt symptoms.

Italy has had a more rapid and intense breakout coupled with a vulnerable population and social customs that spread things more quickly.

I’m not British but their strategy of lock away the weak (old people and other vulnerable) and let the young/healthy take the brunt and burn the virus out is pretty smart. Unless in reinfected of course.
Shut it down, print money for UBI. It's only 3 weeks life will go back to normal afterwards.
2) seems a lot like it is a missing client side feature
If we're really lucky, we might have an effective vaccine by early 2021.
It's not false. The rates of mortality being quoted are fundamentally wrong because testing is highly selective. I personally know people who likely have it, haven't been tested and so don't get counted. The virus is clearly more widespread than 200k infected who have actually been tested.
The copperclothing linked study (2014) used a bovine corona virus that is a "surrogate of human coronavirus", so the results aren't necessarily valid for the current pandemic virus.

Yesterday, in a link I can't quickly find, I saw surface lifetimes for the pandemic virus on copper, stainless steel and polyethylene surfaces. Those were 4 hours, 3+ days and 3+ days, respectively.

If I can find the link, I'll come back to post.
Good point. My comment would've been better with "editor" instead of "text editor".
Game over happens when, fiat money seems to have, on a risk adjusted, liquidity adjusted basis, a better return and better appeal than holding existing real private assets, therefore a process starts where people, businesses and banks try to hoard government paper all at the same time instead of holding private assets. Demand shifts so far towards government paper and away from private assets that the supply of the later assets go in steep decline (eg. businesses close, people are laid off etc.).

Basically fiat's appeal as an asset, its above market return, puts the private asset market in a gridlock.

It's normal for private asset returns to go negative in a crisis. Before paper money existed, losses on assets were a common thing. Your land would suffer from drought, your live stock would get an infection. You didn't stop working and shut everything down because you temporarily expected to get a poor return. You still wanted to eat something at the end of the year.

The existence of an artificial government asset that has difficulty following the private assets rate of return into the negatives, can sometimes block a large part of the private asset market from existing. Business owners choose to stop any investment, wind down their business and sit on cash. The world moves towards everybody holding pieces of paper and nobody producing anything you could buy with these pieces of paper.

Counter intuitively, in order to prevent people from holding too much government paper, you have to print a lot of it very early to make it seem less appealing.

For example, if toilet paper companies had been ahead of the curve and kept the shelves stocked, they probably wouldn't have needed to manufacture so much toilet paper because fewer would have hoarded it if it didn't look scarce. The fact that they didn't produce enough early enough, means they ended up having to produce more overall.
apt-get install ircd-hybrid?
Shanghai and Hong Kong markets were down 20% at the max.
Their name reeks of hubris. I hope someone challenges their right to brand themselves as Email 2.0.
Why not 1921? In 1920-1921 there was a major worldwide crash on the relative scale of 1929 but nobody ever talks about it because the fed did very little and we bounced back (the government actually did a few things that probably hurt). In 1929, the fed did all sorts of policy gyrations and we got a depression.
Back in '95, Wachovia ran a short credit card promo, called 'Prime For Life'. The account changed hands a few times, and is currently with Chase, but it remains nailed to prime, albeit an $88 annual fee. No, they have never raised my $7K limit, the effers.

https://www.questia.com/magazine/1G1-16441751/wachovia-claim...
> Italian culture has close families that meet near daily, have generational family living together, and populations are proximal.

That's like ... most of the world. The special case is the Western world and the USA.
Most doorknobs are brass, which is copper + zinc.
SK has also instituted widespread work from home, closed schools, and people voluntarily wear masks and cancel events. Daegu was a ghost town for at least 2 weeks after patient 31 was detected, because each citizen decided to minimize activity.
Malaysia publishes data too: https://newslab.malaysiakini.com/covid-19/en

This didn't help much. It created a false sense of security when it appeared that the first 21 cases were contained. People went to gatherings (which caused the recent spike). It also doesn't help if you know what hotels are infected; plenty of other spots can be infected as well.

Case 26 was blamed as "patient zero" but he had actually shown no symptoms 6 weeks after returning from China. He got infected elsewhere. But the media places unfair judgement on him.
This will be rambling, and I apologize.

I run r/GigWorks on reddit and I run some websites aimed at helping people trying to do GigWork.

I've been batting ideas back and forth with someone about a website called The Butterfly Economy, inspired by a comment I made on HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22028732

That website is currently a landing page.

While homeless, I developed an online income. It's never been enough, but it was better than not having it. I've been trying to lay the groundwork, both online and in meatspace locally, to help homeless individuals and others to connect with earned income via the internet.

I'm not getting a lot of traction and I'm not sure there's any point in continuing to push for something that no one else seems to want. I end up feeling like the world would literally rather let a bunch of people die than listen to me and I don't have a solution for that.

And talking about it that way is probably the worst way to talk about it, but a decade of getting kicked in the teeth and not taken seriously has taken its toll. I don't know how to escape that mental space while still stuck in that reality where I don't get taken seriously and so forth.

The old guard never seems to voluntarily step down. Perhaps this crisis is an opportunity.

From what I gather, people online are saying things like "Yeah, my boss, who always told me my job can't be done from home, is letting me do it from home now because of coronavirus. The asshole."

So I feel like we've long had the pieces in place to move to a different way of working and of living, we just dug our heels in and refused to jump on the bandwagon. But people are beginning to embrace it more now that the other option is death, basically.

I think -- and have thought for a long time -- that with 7 billion people on the planet, we need to change how we do things or there will be a massive die back of the human race. We do a lot of things that worked when population levels were lower and I think a major sticking point is germ control.

I'm aware of that because of my medical situation, but I get literally told I'm insane and making things up. So it's been impossible to tell people "I think you should do things differently." That's point and laugh at me, at best.

I'm tired and short of sleep and feeling pretty hopeless about a lot of things. I hope to be more productive on various projects in coming weeks.

And it's probably a mistake to answer this in public, but you and I aren't good friends and I don't want to bug you privately and blah blah blah. So there's some of my thoughts, fwiw.
Herd immunity = aka giving up and killing millions globally. Fuck that shit and arrest everyone who suggests it on crimes against humanity.
I remember health insurance companies were capturing this data during H1N1 (voluntary reporting from providers), but of course the data was limited by insurance company and voluntary reporting. So there is some leniency over aggregated data (remember the cost and quality calculators from the mid-2000s?). I wonder what the CDC requires providers to report?
Is there a source to corroborate? A guy with historical tweets corroborating he works in a hospital in Seattle says he just finishes his shift and this is BS

https://twitter.com/lastson76/status/1239321792562343937?s=2...
put extraordinary effort on developing suitable antiviral and a vaccine in a fraction of the ordinary time period.
By "serious people taking things too seriously" are you referring to people like the WHO, the CDC, and Dr. Anthony Fauci? Are you saying we should all ignore their recommendations, and just go about life as usual? For instance, that we should forget about social distancing and isolating those who have the disease?
So should we publish lists of everyone who is HIV+ in our cities?
What about the part of having a ton of people go to the original sick zone and back before it’s noticed? The leather factories of north Italy matter a lot in this equation.
Are you replying to the right comment? Nothing in my comment said anything about Trump or his supporters' intelligence in any way.
Bleach or a handgun also work "in vitro".

Relevant XKCD:
https://www.xkcd.com/1217/

Chloroquines will be tried since they already pass the "safe" bar.

However, I suspect that if they worked "in vivo", we would have compelling data on that from China already. The fact that we don't have such data suggests that they don't.

We seem to have much better data about the effectiveness of standard anti-virals already.
If you write off 2 months out of 12 months, that's a 17% decrease.
> Look, I don't want to be alarmist, but the worst outcome here is not '08. It's the 1930s.

This seems unlikely. The Fed does not seem to be on track to contract the money supply by 30% causing a wave of bank collapses, and leading to a trade war that means international trade collapses this time. They may not pursue optimal policy but every macroeconomist knows that that would be a bad idea. The joys of limited data are a better appreciation of history than microeconomics.
The German virulogist who developed the first test for COVID-19 speculated that based on the numbers Italy must have had more deaths earlier on, but might have mistaken them as old people dying from the flu (which happens all the time and therefore didn't raise any eyebrows in the medical system).
> Expecting 20 sec handwashing vigilance to stay indefinitely?

This is not the same as the other two. People should wash their hands properly regardless.

You shouldn't only call a cab after going out drinking, only because you know there'll be a checkpoint that night, right?
Interesting, kinda reminds me of Nebula by Slack. https://github.com/slackhq/nebula - which I hope someday there's a CNI for Podman and Docker.

I guess right now you have to run these solutions inside of the same container you want to allow in the network, so have to build it apart of your image... unless maybe you had your own custom base image with the VPN software loaded and just pass in the auth cert info at runtime.

However tailscale has a polished UI it looks from the screenshots, maybe meant more for employees to use than using it for all the server to server stuff.

I've been playing around with an idea on and off I was planning to use some sorta tech like this but seems like stuff is improving. Like early this year Podman folks are going to adopt a API like Docker instead of Varlink. Varlink seems cool too but I guess not as many people wanted to support it and then no lib for every language or runtime like Node.js, etc.

Also even if your own private network, still recommended to encrypt and authenticate internal services talking to each others. but I guess it's like having multiple layers.
And then you've got to lock down the next region, which re-infects the first region or you've got to keep the lock-down there happening, and so on, and so on. Did you not think this through?

Essentially the whole things a massive balancing act, allow a certain amount of infections, but not too many the health service gets overwhelmed.

Even China's now getting more infections from outside than in, which is only going to grow.

The consensus is that you can't stop it now. So your plan might be an even worse idea, a cascading lock down, that lasts even longer. The only hope being summer stops it like flu, but then you're left with a potential resurgence in autumn and even more lock downs.
Upper tolerable dosage isn't as simple as one number for everyone. How much someone can take depends on how long someone takes it, their relative health and their mass dosage (mg/kg). I could take 2g c.i. (6g/day) for weeks (114 kg, large healthy liver, younger) but a little grandmother (40 kg) couldn't.
In pressure cooker environments, bacteria are known to mutate at higher rates. When we kill enough of a species, infections typical of that species tend to jump species.

We've never had 7 billion people on the planet before. I (very unscientifically) feel like this is turning global in a way that I haven't seen previously.

The world is in all new territory. I wouldn't count on things working like anything we have seen previously.
Thanks, In the physics class I teach we go through the examples from the notes. Then, we follow up with real world labs and engineering projects to make it even more concrete. I might make my next project documenting the demos and labs that go with each unit.
HN does love brain injuries and anything to do with neuroscience generally (no matter how morbid the injury).
Sidenote: first person to win the Nobel twice; only person to win in two different scientific fields.

Extraordinary achievement - especially considering how difficult things must have been for female scientists back then.
Ok, but parent is lamenting that "saving" pays less than "investing". You're saying that's implied by the (or your) definition so it seems like it would go without saying.
> If the Fed loses this fight, game over.

The fed is pushing on a rope. Any upcoming depression will be driven by collapse in demand, not supply. Slashing interest rates won't do anything to prop spending when consumers are sitting at home, not working, and not buying anything.

All this is, is an attempt to boost asset prices, to bailout investors.
As it was explained to me in my dealings with running infra in China: if you don't want your gaming site to be blocked you are encouraged to host inside China. When you apply for your ICP license and call out that you are gaming that's when they ask more questions about the type of content, access to in game chat logs, access to user source ip logs and any sort of transactions that could be seen as money transfer.
What proletariat? High level CCP officials are very rich.
Example :- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Jiabao (previous Prime Minister of China)

There is no dictatorship of the proletariat. It is a dictatorship of the CCP. The CCP is not trying to emulate anything resembling Marxist-Leninist, or atleast there is no evidence for anything such.

Here is a fun article connecting the CCP and communism (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/28/world/asia/china-maoists-...)
Well systemically remember Americans are out-of-the-box more “socially-distanced” than Italians. We all commute one person to a car, we have an outsized sense of personal space. We are less community oriented by and large.
You can do the maths:
19m work in retail
13m work in restaurants

Add in the logistics businesses to support all these.
Copper doesn't immediately kill it.

Apparently the virus that causes COVID-19 survives this long on various surfaces [0, 1]:

Aerosols: Up to 3 hours

Copper: Up to 4 hours

Cardboard: Up to 24 hours

Plastic: Up to 3 days

Stainless Steel: Up to 3 days

[0] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v...

[1] https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid19-days-surfaces-experime...
CDC says U.S. gatherings of over 50 people should be put off
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The 'BeyondCorp' approach is the opposite to a firewall, and is designed to limit the damage of successful phishing attacks.

For example, if you have a 'trusted' network, a successful phishing attack gets you access to that network. If you have a 'zero trust' network, that attack only gets you access to the compromised user.
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lanres/PIIS2213-2600...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-020-0360-5
The policy understanding in 1933 (still early in the depression) was... Well... Primitive, to say the least.

Though sometimes I wonder exactly how much policy makers sophistication has evolved

https://youtu.be/JUvm9UgJBtg
> BeyondCorp does not imply opening up your network to the entire world!

I think GP is implying that IT departments are taking away that [wrong] message. Just look at the proliferation of zero trust companies that do no such thing.
But the weaker people are from starvation, the more likely they are to die from the coronavirus.
I wonder what the first UUCP nodes were named.
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That's an interesting idea. Do you know if any store or operation is trying that?

I think it might need some additional promotion to work, in particular with feedback to the customers - otherwise it turns into a prisonner's dilemma situation. If I'm about to spend the next few months burning through my savings, I'll not be willing to buy gift cards to support a local coffee store unless I know others are doing the same; otherwise I take a meaningful hit on my savings while not ultimately helping the business at all. I wonder if such businesses could organize a Patreon/Indiegogo-style funding, declaring e.g. "we need $50000/month to keep our venue and 5 employees", with a visible progress bar?

Supporting gig workers with gift cards might be tough also because AFAIK they're considered a disposable and easy-to-replace resource, often not directly affiliated with the companies they serve most.
Good Piumarta talk on the why of building new languages:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGeN2IC7N0Q
A coronavirus cautionary tale from Italy: Don’t do what we did
Does anyone else get an invalid cert authority for Cisco Umbrella CA? Both Safari and Chrome don't like that CA.
It's complacency. People think about the here and now, not what the situation will be 7 days afterwards or more, when these measures will actually have visible effects and may ultimately impact whether they catch the disease and/or can get effective treatment for it.
Email servers are some of the most annoying pieces of software to set up and maintain. IRC servers aren't anything like that at all.
> I don't see email 2.0 being a paid service. Competition to something like Slack or Microsoft Teams, sure.

Email 1.0 is already a paid service, by definition. The fact that some companies offer “free” email accounts in exchange for ads doesn’t change anything to the fact that servers need to be paid for.
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For anyone that's interested, I have it pretty much done. I'll probably take the wraps off officially, tomorrow:

https://littlegreenviper.com/series/bluetooth/
> Have a look at any country in history that printed it's way out of trouble

Yes, as the poster to whom you responded to said. The United States, for some definitions of printing.

It's the kind of thing that you can do, when you control the world's reserve currency.
I'm quite happy with Gmail... It doesn't have any of the negatives listed above.
If they didn't use them before, why would they use them now? Pushing the string. Can't fix fiscal policy issues with monetary policy. Helicopter money is all that's left, but that requires a functioning legislature, so we’ve already lost.
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Because slack is a better experience and IRC failed to make it work. Just because something is an open standard doesn't mean its the best product. There's probably still room for an open source, confederated IM client with proper workspaces, history management, and ubiquitous clients.
What you felt was right, rather than self-preserving, perhaps?
It's a client (several), it allows other clients, and it does the SMTP, POP3 and IMAP thing. It filters spam and sorts things into enumerated named folders, and you can download everything and store everything as mbox files with attachments in a big-old folder, and still be able to locally elastic-search it all, or leave it on Google's servers and search through their web UI. Isn't that email-ey enough? If not, what's it missing?
Amazon is out of stock because of Corona Virus