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Same. On multiple occasions. I will never risk hosting on their platform to save a few dollars. No issues with any other cloud provider. Been using linode, AWS, GCE for years.
The fact that growth rates seem very similar in all affected countries, baffles me. Surely lifestyles, social structure (number of families/kids etc.), hygiene habits differ slightly and testing rates/effectiveness of the health system varies greatly among them. If these factors aren't important, does social life even matter? The effectiveness of China's lockdown is a good argument for it, but perhaps they were just more effective at identifying and isolating spreaders? My point is that there's a chance that it spreads through the air or in some other way unaffected by curfews etc. (if you leave the windows open...).
I keep my mobile phone on me (and smartwatch) while in the house so I can do other things as a break (wash dishes) but still be responsive if necessary.

I don't send anyone "be right back" messages -- I will set my IM status to unavailable if I intend to be unavailable.
Obviously we should try and slow it down. But there's a fine line between slowing it down and overreacting.
> Why on Earth is this a good model?

It's not but I guess it's the best they have right now.

Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore are still functioning and have "contained" the virus. The number of cases/deaths did not explode despite contracting the virus much earlier.
The sooner we dispell the notion that all people are equally capable at everything, the sooner we can get back to prioritizing merit and see it return to the country. It will take decades. The virus has exposed the incompetence that pervades the nation.

Articles like this are only surprising because some two generations of propaganda has convinced young Americans that everyone deserves a trophy and we can all be Einsteins and Armstrongs if we just set our minds to it.

But this is moreso a structural, institutional issue. This mindset has resulted in the conflation of equality of outcome with equality of opportunity as we take for granted that everyone is equally capable in the west. So now instead we throw money and man hours and bad policy at our lowest achievers in a sort of crabs in a bucket mentality, I stead of prioritizing resources for those who are more likely to benefit society in broad strokes - scientists who cure disease, for example - and as a result our native students are being thoroughly outcompeted by other nations.

This has resulted in a net reduction of the standard of living for all Americans. And is probably one reason for inequality and general unhappiness.
> I mean really who uses 'cum' in an official article (even though it's not in an NSFW context and technically used correctly).

English speakers.

> You won't find this in a serious publication.

Won't I? Then let's search for such usage:

- Seems serious: https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/09/02/whats-the-g...

- Seems philosophical: https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/02/how-to-be-a...

- Seems like all publicity is good publicity: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/mar/26/braunau-spotl...

- Seems expensive: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-force-is-strong-inside-this...

- Seems fashionable: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2020/03/01/paris-fa...

- Seems Swiss: http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20170717-the-country-that-ca...

- Seems like a headline: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-24960219
I really can't believe how stupid this is, I was starting to feel positive about the whole thing, China got it under control, they are sending resources to Italy to help get it under control, cures and vaccines are being developed while people stay indoors and the number of cases drops. WE COULD ERRADICATE THE VIRUS JUST BY STAYING HOME FOR 1 FUCKING MONTH. Literally that's all it would take, a person isn't contagious after a month, if everyone cooperated for the greater good we could have this under control, it's not too late, it's the one and only chance to not make this virus "the norm" of our society, every day it's gonna get much harder... But then you hear a country with 60 million people just isn't gonna do anything about it, throwing in the towel before the fight even started and dooming the whole world with them. It's beyond insane.

I'm sorry but this is just too much, I was hoping we would have the common sense to do our best to contain the spread but seems we just have to travel, go to the gym, go for beers every night and hang out, even though it will kill a lot of people around you. Your fathers, mothers, grandparents, your friend's parents, your neighbour's family, they might as well all die because you can't stay home for a month. Really I expected too much from people and forgot how stupid the average person is. I expect global warming will also go great, kudos humanity.
"The very end of December" was 20+ days prior to the Wuhan lockdown, which was was essentially the only instance where China officially acknowledged the disease - before then, the local government was having police caution their doctors and scientists not to talk or "spread untrue rumors" about it. In the meantime, people in Wuhan and elsewhere were just hanging out as usual with no social distancing behaviors whatsoever. Not even wearing protective masks, which is a common habit there unlike the West.
My upvote was entirely natural. If you have proof of vote brigadeering you should send it to hn@ycombinator.com, speculation is pointless and against the guidelines.
No, that's just mutation, or something.

It isn't cancer unless it continuously reproduces.
Because Wuhan started welding people's doors shut as soon as they passed 400 new known cases in a single day.

That kind of behaviour is not acceptable in the West (nor should it be, anywhere), but we still probably need to be taking this virus a bit more seriously than we are.
> It's not right to vilify these people while we give a free pass to everyone else doing equally unethical things.

Who is this "we" you speak of?

Let me see if I understand your argument: because there is someone out there who will "give a free pass" to big pharma, the rest of us should politely shut up about disaster profiteers? We should all just say "oh well, pharma co's do it, so no biggie". Is that about right?
The first ICU patient in Italy was a 38-year old man who ran two half marathons a week before hospitalization. Iranian 22-year old futsal national team member passed away as well. Many young people have damaged lugs for life after surviving on ICU. I am not sure why people downplay the potential of damage for younger and healthier people just because it predominantly targets old and sick people. The virus might also mutate to more deadly strains.
What is the age distribution of the ICU requirement?
Is it really in the ballpark of 10% for all age groups?
> He would end up at 8am sitting in his home office in the laundry room in a full suit and tie ready for for the day, while I'm still in my sweatpants until after noon.

Given that changing faces real time in video is doable now, wouldn't it be trivial to fake business dress? Or even (Dog forbid) shaving.
https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/... seems to suggest that speed isn't the major cause of accidents; there are a ton of other human related ones, plus other car related ones. IMHO, humans shouldn't drive the cars, but whilst they do, their max possible speed doesn't seem to make a big difference ;)
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I'm not saying it's a good idea but it's totally possible for a lot of us.

The company I work for has sent everyone home until next month and you can have groceries delivered over the internet here.
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> the expected incidence of cases that require medical care.

Among the general population!

Among people under 50, the best data we have is that the fraction needing ICU care is something like 0.2% (I think, I'd have to look it up again).

The intent is to quarantine the at-risk and let it propagate in the "safe". I genuinely think it's you who's failed to understand the plan. You're arguing against something that is not the stated UK policy.
> What exactly do you suggest China ought to have done to prevent it from spreading outside of China?

Well, at the very least, take it seriously when there were the first reports of "new viral pneumonia" in Wuhan, instead of locking up or censoring people who reported that.

Yes, this doesn't mean that other countries did not take it as seriously as they should have, and perhaps containment might have failed nevertheless. Still, it was a spectacular failure with long-lasting consequences on every other country in the world.

That, IMO, deserves blame, no matter if other governments are doing the same errors.
> but since the government imposed partial lockdown measures the rate of infections slowed down significantly.

They shouldn't have; what you're seeing is noise. There's a lag of roughly two weeks between when a person is infected and when they'll get caught by a test, so any benefits of the current lockdown will only be visible close to end of March.
> the kids loved it. They wouldn’t even get off it to go to the pool.

I grew up on a farm in Australia. We had a trampoline and a pool. I moved the trampoline next to the deep end of the pool, it was awesome! hehe. Thank you George Nissen.
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Our employees have always had the choice to work from home. Many just prefer to come to the office, no one has yet opted to work from home full time. The choice we were struggling with (until being shaken up in this thread), was whether to make it mandatory.
I can see the idea behind that gamble. You take short term pain for long term gain.

Except... A vaccine is expected to be ready in 12 months!

So the long term should be pain free either way!
I read about 80% of the tests in S. Korea are done with Seegene test kits.
It's much worse than that. Italy's health system is already collapsing at 20,000 victims. The population of Italy is 60 million. That has to level off at some point due to saturation, but that's at somewhere in the millions or tens of millions.
Are you willing to list the languages you'd like to recognize?
> There are 1600 confirmed cases but the lack of tests hides how many real infections there are.

2,695 at the moment, per the NYT tracker

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/coronavirus-m...
What we know so far is that it's likely to have started at a wet market in Wuhan where people lived with bats and other wild animals. Chances of cross-infection are much higher in that scenario.
Everyone except the UK and the US notably.
Articles like this are only surprising because some two generations of propaganda has convinced young Americans that everyone deserves a trophy and we can all be Einsteins and Armstrongs if we just set our minds to it.

The article is about how economic class and educational inequality prevents everyone from having meaningful technical experiences that lead to technical literacy. I think you're missing the point by a mile or so.
The title should have been "Flattening the Curve is not enough!!!".
Overreacting would be nuking the affected cities. Locking down a country to give healthcare a chance to cope will have some unpleasant economic consequences, but it won't "burn down the modern world and suspend all civil rights".
The parent comment mentioned existing therapies. As in drugs like Humira, PD-1 inhibitors, PCSK9 inhibitors. No doubt they are complex to produce. But I was doubting that the costs of production are the reason why these drugs are expensive. Companies will charge what payers will pay. See Humira [1]: many times more costly in the US than in the UK.

1: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adalimumab
Though the US government certainly isn’t communicating those details to the general public. Have you seen the CDC website? Why do I need to go to The NY Times website to get a summary of updates in a timely manner?
Worse still, Italy has one of the better healthcare systems. This doesn't bode well for the rest of Europe.
Yeah, not going to do this.

As if everyone isn’t anxious enough.
Why GPS location, what's wrong with adding one or a few cities as points of interest? I'd like to keep a tab on my parents' environment as well, and sending the server my exact whereabouts serves no plausible purpose.
It's not true that they are similar in all affected countries. The ones in that graph are cherry picked for similarity. If you look at China, Taiwan, Singapore etc there are differences.

eg Fujian https://mackuba.eu/corona/#fujian_china

Taiwan https://mackuba.eu/corona/#taiwan

HK https://mackuba.eu/corona/#hong_kong

Taiwan is impressive in that they had thousands of flights a month to China, have only 30 active cases and no lockdowns. They had people ride on the planes from Wuhan to identify sick passengers during the flight and quarantine them on landing.

As a Brit I'm embarrassed by our performance in comparison.
Thank @0xab for answering this question. Actually I hold the same opinion as @0xab. Those "non-adversarial non-attack" happens sometimes and there also exist adversarial attacks where adversary intentionally craft some pictures to fool the system. In some cases, the system already achieves a pretty high performance and generalize very well on various datasets but they may fail on adversarial images. For example, attackers can put some carefully-crafted stickers on the STOP sign and the self-driving car will give wrong predictions. The existence of adversarial attacks poses great challenges in applying deep learning model in safety-critical scenarios.

Both non-adversarial non-attack and adversarial attack reflect the vulnerability of the current deep learning models. Thus it is of great significance to study these problem and find countermeasures against those attacks.
This is only anecdotal evidence, but unlike many other days, today, I am wearing pants.
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It is fair to observe that the expertise here is math rather than medicine. However, epidemiologists have already made these predictions. Don't see any harm in signalling broader academic support.

Particularly not since none of the signatories could plausibly be accused of exaggerating the danger, in order to extract grant money. As goes the usual cynical claim of innumerate science-deniers.
New viruses come out all the time. This viruses wasn't isolated as different till the end of December.

The Doctor wasn't jailed ...

The virus was spread at the market. It didn't start at the market.

Until we know where it started we don't know if it would have stopped the virus or not.
> Go modules are built around git

Not really. Modules are specced based on zip files and metadata in text files. There's just support for extracting that data from git repos transparently.

Here's a slightly out of date write-up: https://research.swtch.com/vgo-module
I believe you're focusing on the days aspect of that equation without considering what a lower T_double/p_detect could mean relative to hospitalizations.

If the real number of cases is doubling significantly faster than those detected -- say due to not testing them because their symptoms are mild enough to be missed entirely or to not seek treatment -- the calculations around things like mortality rate and severity of illness may yet change. As I understand it, scientists have already identified mutations of the virus that may also impact its ability to spread or injure infected hosts. I should note that these changes can swing both good and bad, I'm simply pointing out that there are more variables and that these variables changing may represent something not obvious from the equation.

I'm not an expert; I have fun reading about medical statistics. Most papers I've read take the time to examine these various confounding factors and what unexpected variations in their proposed equations might mean.
I've still got one of these (w204), it's loud - imho kinda pointlessly - for a second or so, then is pretty quiet - one of the reasons I love it.
There are two sides of that coin.

One side: it's much more widespread than we realize.

Other side: it's much more mild and less fatal than we first thought.
Replace “boomer remover” with “working-class-boomer remover” and the strategy makes more sense.

Personally, I don’t think Johnson and his cronies are deliberately targeting this or that group. They just don’t care. They are scared like everyone else, and are prioritizing the survival of their immediate circles and their social status - i.e. they keep the economy working, keep an appearance of order, and ensure people they care about are “cocooned”, ready to come out when the worst is over. That is their priority. Working-class lives are not priority, that’s all. Health-service capacity woes are relatively unimportant, because people “who matter” will be prioritized anyway.

If they go to full-lockdown, they risk upsetting the existing social order (economy tanks even harder, unemployed people start rioting, etc). That is their worst fear; consider that we’ve had actual riots in London only a few years ago. Saving a bunch of working-class grandpas is clearly not worth the risk of upsetting the current social order, from Johnson’s position. He’d rather have a functioning elite ruling over rubbles, than risk the very own existence of such elite just to save “nobodies”. Add to it a sprinkle of academic Strangeloves, and there you are.
See Humira [1]. Costs more than 5x more in the US than the UK. I’m not speculating on what a potential anti covid drug will cost; I’m talking about existing mAb therapies. And I didn’t think it a controversial point that drug companies charge as much as they can while their therapies are still protected by patents and, in the case of antibodies, manufacturing expertise.

1: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adalimumab
Puppetmaster took off because it conceptually easy to understand to people who were used to managing servers by hand.

I would argue that masterless puppet is a superior pattern for both scaling creating a hierarchical structures.
> therefore there's not much point in a national "lockdown" to "stop" the virus, because as soon as a nation relaxes its lockdown the virus will simply pick up right where it left off.

I haven't seen anyone address this concern among the people who think the UK's strategy is insane.

Yes, if you lock down society, you will halt the spread of the virus dramatically.

But for how long? When do you lift the lock down? When it's died out in your country? How long will that take? What if it hasn't died out elsewhere? Are you going into another lock down right on the heels of the first one?

And how do you get people to comply with it? Hell, there's plenty of people in the US who are completely convinced that the coronavirus is a hoax or a conspiracy or something something Trump Democrats Obama Liberal But Her Emails. Less than two weeks ago President Trump called the thing a hoax!

The UK strategy takes this into account and rolls with it. They know it's going to infect a majority of the population eventually, so let's just get it over with as quickly as possible, while protecting the vulnerable in society, and then herd immunity kicks in and after that your country is protected no matter what other countries do.
The point is that you're against the behavior but you're calling to regulate the object. They're separate things.

People can start up lawn mowers and chainsaws to annoy you too, but we don't ban them either. Instead there are rules around when it's acceptable to use them so you don't do yard work at midnight.

Popular areas of London and NYC are loud, yes. Don't live in loud areas if you want a quiet place. No different than living next to an airport or freeway.
I wish they would say test 50000 people completely at random in one of the hot spots and check out the real number of cases for 1000 people instead of this "you get tested if you have symptoms". I feel we're being deceived about the actual rate of death and how widespread it really is.
Herd immunity works because:

1. Vaccines, immunitized people don't get sick in the process of imunization, don't need hospitalization, don't die

2. Slow and gradual imunization over multiple years.

Neither of this is uphold all other cases of herd imunization in history I'm aware of always had a massive price in human lives.

Also it only works if the virus doesn't mutate to much, party of the reason the flu is still around even through you would believe we got herd imunization in last many decades since the flu is a think.

> 1. The virus is genuinely of low danger to the young and healthy

Except it's not really that low it's only compared to old people low.

And it's close to practically impossible to only affect young people without having idk concentration camps for young people with strict separation from the older people (like over 20?,30?) for a duration of over a month and still 2 in 1000 or so dying. AND it's anyway to late for that measurements as it's already to widely spread in the UK eitherway.
Did you read the article? It is broadly applicable to everyone. Having a proper chair and communication equipment and distraction free working area are all great points.
> Those people can't pay rent and now have no healthcare.

That's a problem specific to America. But regardless, what got is "having healthcare" if you don't actually have healthcare, because the whole system gets DDoSed by COVID patients in critical condition?
Why is Google (and for that matter Apple) not helping to track the prior movement of every coronavirus patient where possible to identify additional potentially exposed individuals?

Seems fairly straightforward given their massive surveillance infrastructure.

Anyone at Apple or Google actually going to pitch in here and offer meaningful help?

So far, crickets.
Thank you for your feedback. Perhaps, you're right. Let's see whether other people can shed some additional light on this.
> Overreacting would be nuking the affected cities.

Well, yes, at least we agree on something. Apparently anything short of mass genocide is under-reacting to HackerNews.
It's a completely different situation. If China contained the disease when they had only 10 cases, there would be no disease anymore. If Italy contained the disease when they had only 10 cases, new cases would arrive, again and again.
That's why most states have noise limits or things like CARB that limit what you can change on a car; CA = 95db at max.
thanks for the good laugh
Getting inside an integrated air defense network to take out strategic targets. It's got what is believed to be a better stealth profile than the f-22 or f-35, while having payload comparable to a b-52. The MQ-9 wouldn't be able to get anywhere close to an air defense network.
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The advise from real experts is also to shut everything down.
Many years ago a lot of people bought into the myth that because young people grew up with computers they would naturally have these skills and wouldn't be intimidated.

I believe the percentage of people who are terrible with computers hasn't really changed that much. People are much more exposed to computers but I swear some people cannot think rationally about the contents of a glowing screen in front of them. I have literally turned people's chairs around, read them the exact contents of the screen, and gotten understanding and a rational response when they were otherwise completely paralyzed.