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Current total deaths are 6,000 with China already saying the worst is behind them. Why the US would have 4M deaths?
This obviously doesn't work if "suspension" means you don't pay the provider, because then they can't in turn pay their employees etc.

What could work is some kind of UBI which people could then use to pay their bills.
>The real number of cases is obviously higher than the ones being reported.

Yes... and the number of dead people will also obviously be higher - because the disease has not yet run its course in all of the reported cases.

Here is Lancet from 12 March estimating 5.7% final mortality rate among confirmed cases.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...
Stop looking for another C. Move on to something really different, something dynamic like JS, Clojure, Python, or Smalltalk
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That is true. Although, they (we?) won't all die at once. 100s of people are dying now, mostly very elderly. If the panic wasn't ramped up, people would have barely noticed this against the background rate of deaths from other diseases. They would have started noticing when it got to around Italian levels, and very ineffectual lockdown/self-quarantine would start that wouldn't affect the economy nearly as much as it has been currently affected in countries with barely any deaths. Then there'd be a month or so of panic as ~everyone gets it and lots of people die. Then it's back to normal.

Alternatively, as a base case we are going to have years of a recession. Evictions, foreclosures, wiped out retirements, divorces, ruined childhoods and early careers messing up millions of lives for decades, suicides, preventable deaths in the developing world where losing your livelihood is a much bigger deal, potential flare-up of wars as young men there don't have jobs, etc.
Really interesting. The paper felt like about 95% setup and 5% punchline, which I appreciated as someone with very limited knowledge of these low-level details.

Their setup with all the different services and auto-remediation sounds extremely complicated and is probably massive overkill for anyone not at FB scale. On the other hand that makes a compelling case for running your infra on the cloud, as you would have to deal with these issues yourself on-prem.
I would say at best this is currently unclear, so no it is'nt "99% safe" (depending on your definition of safe) because:

1. It's possible the strains could mutate so they are different enough for the immune system to not respond (assuming you build immunity).

2. As far as i know the scientific community has not established exactly what the situation is with immunity. There are reports of reinfection. This could also possibly be due to testing issues.

3. Right now it's not obvious how long you are contagious for.
What is the "UK's answer" that's different than every other country with similar rates has done? Authorities have already denied the whole "herd immunity" meme is any sort of active policy in the UK.

https://politicshome.com/news/uk/health-and-care/illnesstrea...
The author eventually recovered their files using 7-zip, which is a Windows program.
If none of the above convinced you, you'd need to specify why each of them didn't convince you (to do what) to get a qualified answer here.

Every design choice has a repercussion, specify what repercusison that you would find acceptable and then your ideal language can be defined.
My "favourite" recent compiler bug comes from Rust. Compile the following code in Release mode:

fn main() { (|| loop {})() }

This defines an anonymous function containing an infinite loop, and calls it. Any sane compiler would make this just loop forever, right?

$ cargo run --release test
Illegal instruction (core dumped)

Yeah, that's right. In Rust, an ostensibly safe language, Clang's overeager optimizer chooses to emit an illegal instruction in lieu of an infinite loop. (Try it here: https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&mode=release&edit...)

This particular bug actually comes from C++. In C++, threads may be assumed to always make forward progress, i.e. side-effect-free infinite loops are UB. However, this is not true in C, and it's definitely not true in Rust, yet Clang makes this assumption anyway.

It gets a lot worse; once Clang sees an infinite loop and decides it's UB, it gets to make all sorts of thoroughly invalid and silly "optimizations"; see this SO question for some examples: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59925618/how-do-i-make-a...
IIRC, "Terapia Intensiva" is for patients admitted through the ER and run by ER physicians while "Rianimazione" is for patients transmitted from other departments and run by anesthesiologists.

Just another case of NIH!
We will not value the lives of people with money over those that do not. Financial loss is _not_ the loss of life. Our lives are literally the only thing we have in this universe.
It's not logical or scientific right now.
Death rate is highly correlated with unemployment. They are not NOT the same thing.

https://news.yale.edu/2002/05/23/rising-unemployment-causes-...
The vaccine was thought "likely to prevent a serious illness", but that didn't pan out. So that's why testing is important, to make sure that the cost is worth the benefit.

Only about 200 cases of swine flu and one death were ultimately reported in the U.S., the CDC said.

More than 500 people are thought to have developed Guillain-Barre syndrome after receiving the vaccine; 25 died

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-apr-27-sci-swin...

So in this case, the cure was literally worse than the disease.
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I agree. We are going to go through the depths of hell but once we get past it and yes we will get past it that it will see us having resolved this.
That's normal. We've bloated the javascript ecosystem so much that its impossible to expect a fast loading page these days.
Ask HN: Which tech company is laying off or freeze hiring because of COVID19?
Willingness/capacity to pay a higher price != more effective user; merely a more financially advantaged one.

Money, however, is not the be all, end all in life. Something it seems adherents of economics need to be reminded of from time to time.
I want to eat and drink with my family and friends. And it's spring, so I want to do it outdoors.

A food truck with a couple of outdoor tables has got to be lower risk than a full-service bar/restaurant, while still giving us human companionship.
Yup. It's a not-quite-false cognate in French too (https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/french-english/...)

Was very disappointed when the reanimation class wasn't taught by Dr. Frankenstein and only covered CPR.
Loans? Not grants? While large businesses get quantitative easing, bailouts of airline industries, etc? Sounds about right.

Also from the announcement, lol:

"businesses with credit available elsewhere are not eligible"

Ah, so if you can get credit elsewhere, you can't get our help, even if it's needed.
Who will provide the safety net when the entire economy is shut down? Production precedes consumption, always.
Maybe in a truly utilitarian, rational society, but here in the USA, we expect the risk of a vaccine to be near zero, with no adverse consequences, before we give it to everyone.
Where is 90% number coming from ,
can u provide a source? There are hundreds of thousands of people survived.
Also, 2% is very dubious. Italy is at 7%. The Philippines at 8%. I mean, sure these figures are out of people who were tested, but 2% is looking awfully optimistic at this point. So the potential for death reduction is even greater than the intentionally unassailable 1% figure you picked.
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If you are really keen to experience this virus, you could do it under medical supervision, get paid, and help the world by signing up for a clinical trial to have a vaccine tested on you.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-...
You haven’t stopped to think why it might be a good idea to collect this data? You really think it’s being done for profit?
Unless “social life” just means “physical proximity to other people” for you, social interactions over the internet while having a “digital addiction” can be more meaningful than social interactions with fellow drug addicts.
States' fiscal powers are nowhere near that of the federal government. They borrow at much lower rates, have more flexibility with respect to the level of debt they can take, take in far more revenue, and as a last resort print money.

There is no historical precedent for any state bailing out an industry to this extent.
Just putting my 2 cents here as a user. I love AirBnB and never have had an issue at all so far. Once this gets over and yes it will I will continue to use it.
I want to see which jury will convict them for counterfeiting!
There are trying to measure how fast it is spreading in different areas so they can take appropriate counter measures to avoid overwhelming the health care system in those areas. i.e. "flattening the curve"
Calling Andrew Yang! Put up the bat signal.
Agreed. Wish people were more responsible and this wouldn't have to happen. Drove by the mall today and would have expected it to be a ghost town, but the parking lots were full and people were still walking and queueing close together.
Galidtorial combat and it's other side shows perhaps?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ancient.eu/amp/1-432/
Give them what the government gives large industries: Bailouts and direct cash payments, plus a loan.
SK published (and is publishing) logs of every establishment the infected people had been to with timestamps accurate to the minute. Like, "this particular Burger King branch from 2:23 to 2:55". For the entire two-week period in which the infected may be infectious. This allowed/forced said establishments to shut down for a day or so while they disinfected every surface. The USA most certainly cannot do this, and not just because of HIPAA. Neither the bureaucratic will nor capability is there.
I did account for the death rate when the healthcare system is overwhelmed; I have no doubt it will save lives.

Then, as I also said, if you are 60 and your very old mother is on her death bed, and you get to buy her one more week of life by eliminating your entire retirements savings, would you do it? If not, after that we are so to speak just haggling about the price.
Oh, and what if I came for your retirement savings because they could save my mother, that you don't even know?

There are trade-off on another level too. Recessions have very real human consequences that I mentioned in another comment. Many of them involve deaths, but many more just involve ruined lives. I'd sooner let one 80yo die than make one 40yo miserable for the rest of his life.
The cure was worse than the risk not the disease. If it had actually infected people and had 1 death per ~250 people x say 50% of the population that absolutely dwarfs 25 excess deaths.

Which is my point, the problem was mass vaccination for a non issue. Saving 500,000 lives at the cost of 100 lives is a really easy tradeoff to make. Costing 25 lives to save 0 is a problem.
The gap between the rates on the 30 year treasury and the 30 year mortgage increased from ~1.5% to over 3% and getting worse, before QE4 was announced (and this was already pricing in some fed action). This indicates that investors stopped buying mortgage-backed securities which would have eventually resulted in home buying activity stopping and a housing market crash. I don’t think any bailout for restaurants and bars or mortgage/rent holiday would have helped with this. I’m not saying such stimulus isn’t necessary, but it doesn’t replace fed policy.
The people who distrust the CDC likely have been preparing for years.
Honestly, the number I take issue with is the $100k. In terms of household income, this is far above the median.
What about South Korea’s use of data in crisis?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51733145
You're getting down voted but you're 100% right. I'm not running prod on something that needs abstractions on abstractions to be usable.
The UK model sees this very much as a threat. They are just taking different action to address it.
What were your issues with those languages? Several of them sound like reasonable options to me.

For a mature, general-purpose language my default suggestion is OCaml. If you really absolutely can't make garbage collection work for your case (something I've never seen happen to anyone who actually tried) then your choices are more limited (and I'd probably favour Rust, despite its relative immaturity).

There are any number of good languages out there, and I could happily go into the details of which I think offers the best combination of tradeoffs (Scala). But the bigger picture is that a memory-safe language with the ML featureset (in particular first-class functions, parametric polymorphism, type inference, and sum types) should be the minimum baseline these days, and represents a substantial step up from C (at the most basic and pervasive level, being able to do error handling with a result type vastly improves your defect rate). Within that category you have plenty of reasonable choices offering their own particular selling points.
I just signed up, and no, I did not have to agree to a Google Terms of Service. Of course, I did when I got a Google account.
People work their whole lives to make the value we measure in dollars. We humans have been dying for millenia for lack of the material wealth we have now. Having materials/dollars/whatever you want to call it is clearly worth lives because people spend vast portions of their precious lives getting it. If anything, valuing 1 more year of working life at 80 over ten years over 10years of working in your 20s would be silly.
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Opera cast is generally pretty great, but it is pretty manual and they do miss a lot of things going on. There are now lots of classical streaming only services like Primephonic, Idagio, and others that take care of the metadata problem.
The cure was better than the risk of the disease, which was not well understood. The cure was worse than the actual disease.
Awesome! :o
"Herd immunity" or something along those lines, apparently.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22577132
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I haven't read about the QE4 plans. How will it work?

This is just tip of the iceberg, now that this is declared national emergency, FEMA money and other sources are unlocked. Meanwhile, it's just the first week of things heating up to the point of these shut downs. Give the government time.
I agree 100%. In theory, everybody cares about FDA certification and all the legal details like HIPPA and stuff.

In practice, when SHTF ie in a situation like 9/11, most humans beings seem to do the best they can with what they have.
Crazy stupid. Don't do this.

First, there's a decent (10-15%) chance that in 1-3 weeks you'll need hospitalization, even though it wouldn't normally be life threatening. You'll probably get a bed because you're young and likely to survive, but that means someone ELSE in an at-risk category will be denied and die.

Second, there's all the people you will infect over the next few weeks, accelerating the spread of the disease. Even if you take the recommended precautions, you will likely spread the disease.

Stay home and flatten the curve.
Yet again someone ignoring the line:

> for which the Standard imposes no requirements.

C89 had no requirements, C99 clarified that the line that followed was non-normative.

The entire premise of this article is flawed.
"Sensible C" would have to be a distinct language from C, at least as the latter is currently implemented, so it would still represent a change of languages for legacy codebases. It could probably interop with the C ABI, but we already have other languages that can do that; it's not at all clear that converting your codebase piecemeal to "sensible C" would be substantially easier than doing the same with, say, Rust.
Welcome to news.ycombinator.com. Admittedly if you had done all that the replies would have either ignored what you wrote or come up with irrelevant arguments.
definitely not just eatery. Someone I know work in retail front and interior design firm. Needless to say, they had to let go a few workers because many retail clients are putting all their projects on hold.
>> Give the government time.

They have time enough to shut down businesses in a snap of their fingers. I don't think it's too much to expect at least a basic outline of a remuneration plan at the same time. I do not see why we should give them time on one issue but not the other.
I wish they still made keyboards like that. I'm curious to know the "feel"
This topic comes up semi-regularly here on HN but I think the underlying issue is that standards do not exist in a void, yet a certain group of people seem to think that they do --- the fact that a standard "imposes no requirements" should really be taken to mean "think about what really makes sense", not "do whatever the fuck you want". Hence the "but we still complies with the standard!" defense from compiler authors when faced with perplexing results of UB is totally ignoring the reality and practicality of what a compiler is for. Note that the standard writers have even tried to give that hint, with the "behaving during translation or program execution in a documented manner characteristic of the environment" phrasing which is precisely what programmers are usually expecting, but it seems few actually took the hint.
You’re looking at this through a very weird lens. Low paid line cooks and kitchen staff are the ones who most need this, because they don’t have savings or a month of food stocked - where are they going to get their own food for the duration of the shutdown? It’s absolutely true that it’s still a transmission vector, but human society can’t function with zero transmission vectors.
It doesn't even seem to be a real index on economic activity anymore either...

In my personal view 'The Market's purely reflect consumer confidence. They appear divorced from actual reality, aside from how that affects the mindset of easily panicked lemmings.
Probably means 4M assuming that no containment measures are taken.

Like someone said on twitter, “In the end, it will be impossible to know if we overreacted or did too much, but it will be QUITE apparent if we under reacted or did too little.”
I regularly use other "modern" languages and still enjoy using C. Am I cult member?
Better data improves the probability of "flattening the curve" to avoid overwhelming the health care system. Many lives can be saved if this can be achieved. In Italy they failed to do this, ran out of ventilators, and people are dying who would not otherwise be dying.
For another example, google "flattening the curve st louis vs philadelphia 1919 swine flu".
Yikes! You are correct. Thanks for the correction, even though it makes me feel even older: I have been using Common Lisp professionally since about 1982, a few more years makes that 40 years, using the same language.
phyphox videos

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0974nWSIcyJElXUfYDv9_w/vid...
Maybe they'll sail under the US flag?
That's why the first step is to order one of each type, and test.
China nipped this before they spent much time in the exponential phase:

http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/covid19/#g8

US is tracking highly with Italy, but 12 days behind.
I didn't mean to suggest anything nefarious. On the contrary, I'm curious as to what kinds of "fun" and "social" celebrations we can do these days while still limiting coronavirus risk.
Nobody know where a reputable source is. It’s just a laundry list of all the ‘talking points’. I keep hearing people say this stuff, but nobody knows where it came from.

It is certainly not the message the CDC is putting out in the USA.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/summ...

The Seattle Times ‘Fact sheet’ is also singing a different tune.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/facts-about...
There is absolutely treatment for the disease. It's just that the treatment is largely restricted to ameliorating the symptoms while the root cause, the virus proliferation, is left to the immune system. (The possible exception are antivirals currently being tested.) Symptom treatment includes things like concentrated oxygen and mechanical ventilation.
> The UK's answer to the problem is starting to look a lot more sensible than total economic chaos being caused by all other methods.

You mean the answer that consists in maximizing the dead count?
The same species that invented youtube also makes youtube comments. Keep that in mind.
Wow that twitter thread linked was a wild ride. They really are doing a huge experiment in the middle of a world-wide pandemic. I'll be really interested to see how it all works out.
Can anyone from Netflix comment on why not clickhouse? We tried druid, and the performance was pretty bad compared to a clickhouse.
I came here to say something similar. The author says:

> In C89, undefined behavior is interpreted as, “The C standard doesn’t have requirements for the behavior, so you must define what the behavior is in your implementation, and there are a few permissible options”.

This is wrong. That is the meaning of what C89 calls “implementation-defined” behavior. The implementation gets a choice; the standard may lay out what the choices are, and in any event the choice must be documented.

But with C89's “undefined” behavior, all bets are off. Numerous examples are documented of cases where real compilers were forced to behave in utterly bizarre ways because of real hardware limitations.
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China shut down their entire economy for about 6 weeks. That's what we're debating here, whether we should do that in the US.
Why do you expect long term unemployment here? Unless the virus crisis lasts for a year, in a few months things will be back to normal hopefully and you can expect the economic activity to take off again.
Those are the questions we need to figure out as a country or even as a world. Realistically, the govt needs to provide that safety net for its citizens.

However, let's start with the decision that lives are more important than money.
> I've already said that, but wanted to acknowledge your good intent.

Much appreciated, thank you.
Maybe it's rebelling against Cyberpunk.
London or NHS barely tests and you can't get tested on request. I have been having pneumonia for the last days now and can't even get antibiotics for it. They don't let me visit my GP or the hospital.
> This particular bug actually comes from C++. In C++, threads may be assumed to always make forward progress, i.e. side-effect-free infinite loops are UB. However, this is not true in C

That's very much disputed. The C standard requires programs' behaviour to be as-if executed on the C abstract machine when they terminate. It's not at all clear whether the standard imposes any requirements on programs that would not terminate when executed on the C abstract machine.
I used Clojure for a few years on two jobs, but in this context I did intend Clozure Common Lisp.

I also wrote a small side project in Clojure about ten years ago http://cookingspace.com/ that I used to track nutrients as percentage of daily requirement in my recipes.
Based on the kind of things the Ad-tech industry does [1], without proper laws protecting users, I have absolutely zero...zilch trust in any advertisement company - I am not partial to Google, rope in Microsoft, Viacom, Amazon, Adobe, Oracle, all of them [2] (these are the top ad aggregators and auctioning houses).

The last company I am willing to give my health information is an advertisment company. Nothing to worry, the fox is doing a great job at keeping the hens safe.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/technology/internet-adver...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_advertising_technology...