skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
First infections are not uniformly distributed. Second, by the nature of travel people get into close contact with more and more importantly different people than usual. 200 people sitting in an aircraft for 2 hours is inherently more risky than 200 people sitting in a theater for 2 hours as aircraft mix people from wider geographic areas. So, regardless of infection rates, this is beneficial for both Europe and the US at the same time.

Multiple cities with hundreds of thousands of people in both the US and Europe are infection free right now. Extending that for even a few weeks is very useful.
Which he didn't even win and is only there because of an anarchism in our government.
It's not terrible but it might be possible to get better performance within a warp using some warp function.
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Yes, but then we should be canceling all flights in the US (we should be). Only canceling flights to Europe is a tiny fraction of what's actually necessary here.
Please don't generalize about things you know little about.

There are many depression treatments that have no "blunting side effect" at all.
Because awareness and testing has been poor, who's to say that some deaths attributed to pulmonary fibrosis in the last quarter of 2019, was actually due to Covid-19?
Apart from the other two replies, the corollary of your point is that travel from a lower incidence area to a higher incidence area actually reduces the risk in the latter.

But this is clearly false because population density is another important factor for contact between people.
Would assume that any flights booked in under 30 days before travel will be expensive no matter what the situation.
I feel like this is the new WeWork, and I almost guarantee Matt Levine will write about this tomorrow.
Last guidance I saw from the CDC was that people without obvious symptoms were likely to only be contact-infectious, as opposed to airborne-infectious (droplets) once symptomatic.

If true, social distancing, hand hygiene, and not touching ones face would bring asymptomatic transmission down to almost zero.
Yeah, I'd agree with that. At this point it would help a tiny bit, but only because it slightly decreases links between people, like a social distancing measure does.
> One other factor in the US favor, it’s extremely low population density

laughs in jersey
Banning public gatherings is really something that should be done on the municipal level, maybe the state level. The federal government should not have the power to disrupt every day life from thousands of miles away.
Not sure what you're looking at, but the S&P500 e-mini futures are still trading. No breakers were hit.
Also, do they mean SS and Medicare contributions in the payroll taxes, or just unemployment insurance?

Like if we have a health crisis that disproportionately affects people who rely on Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security, taking away funding for it isn't bonkers. It's batshit insane! We should be doubling, tripling taxes in the short term on those that can pay it to make up the funding gap for testing, treatment, and surge capacity. And who better than the largest medical provider in the country, with contacts and infrastructure for directing funds to every medical provider in the country?

Are they going to cut off the water to the block when the house is burning down?
I’m not sure this is true, as the deaths from coronavirus are distinguishable based on their clinical features, as I understand it (e.g., the chest X-ray of a COVID-19 patient is readily identifiable)
IDK, but at this point its all pretty arbitrary however they do it since it seems to be spreading in some parts of the USA pretty well already. I guess less travel, whether it's EU, UK or even domestic, is better, but where from doesn't really matter as much anymore so Trump picked some for political purpose.
Good to know. Thanks. Looks pretty sweet.
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If you don't control a disease, the default assumption is that it infects a substantial fraction of the whole human population.

In almost all examples in human history, whenever a disease stopped, it was either because it burned through most of humanity, or because people decided to make it stop. They don't stop themselves.
It frustrates me so much that almost no one gets this.
I use system-wide shortcuts >recognised in the OS and all apps and Time Machine being able to backup instantly to another Mac. If I told someone to do the same from Ubuntu to another distro, you're just 20-30 Duckduckgo searches away to type the solution in the terminal.

Hmmm I'm not sure about this statement, you can...:

- Use Timeshift to the same on Linux.
- Install Linux on a separate partition
- Use third party tools, like AOMEI or Acronis

And the last one, that I use is, Deja-dup with an installation script, and it works great. I'm new, but I see potential to install my OS and software unattended.

There are several ways to accomplish this.

*With Linux I mean Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch and the rest.

This is my first post, I mark it for myself.
Misspoke? It was a prepared statement read off a teleprompter. Please don't excuse it like a slip of the tongue.
This is insane. I haven’t been really scared of the pandemic yet, but if this is the response, now, I’m terrified.

Changing the number of infected people entering the community does nothing when we already have transmission happening within the community at some fixed rate which is determined by the community.

“Flattening the curve” of an exponential function means changing the rate of growth, not the fucking constant offset.

It’s basic math. Innocent people will die off this incompetence. I’m a little lost for words.
An exercise to get you noticing problems around you, is take note of what you/or people around you complain about.

If you immediate say "Why don't they do it this way..." take notes and leave it for a few days. The goal is to get in the routine of flexing those mental muscles.
> I'm declaring that the MLB season needs to be delayed

The NBA just suspended their season "until further notice".
Nah, all planes are just going to be routed through a non-European destination en route back. The Azores are about to be very popular.
The question is do longer stays result from worse care or economic incentives.

In the case of our child, we choose a 7 day inpatient treatment that could have been done as a more risky outpatent treatment.
Official proclamation here https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation...
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you good?
Don't underestimate how costly it is to society to have a bunch of people die. Not taking this seriously will kill a lot more people than taking it seriously.
All Seattle public schools closed. Northshore is already, Bellevue shortly, LW had better.

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2020-03-...

Washington Gov. Jay Inslee said he’s banning gatherings of more than 250 people in several counties.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/washington-state-bans-large-...

Many local businesses have soft-closed their offices at behest of city including Amazon and Microsoft.
Travel bans alone will not flatten out peak infections that are going to overload our existing healthcare infrastructure that already run at near maximum capacity during regular, non-epidemic periods.

There is a lot more leadership across government (federal, state, local), private industry, and independent individuals could be doing to proactively reduce transference and even stomp out significant portions of infection is followed through. My point is that our cultural trends surrounding all of these (governments, work, personal action) are almost all running counter to what we need to be doing.

We need strong government leadership at all levels pushing support out where possible, be it resources, accurate non-politically influenced/dictated information, etc. Businesses can be more proactively supporting work from home more where feasible, extend sick leave or create sick leave options to reduce pressures to work, provide some security/continued employment for those who need it (especially demographics at high risk). People can avoid attending work when sick, reduce/limit public exposure (be it out shopping, attending an event, etc.), practice frequent hand washing, limit exposing themselves to at risk populations, etc.

Economically it's a disaster (as the markets are also anticipating) but it's going to be one way or another. It seems to me that you're better off to take a well calculated hit that can bounce back to a healthy workforce that doesn't strain existing healthcare infrastructure than trying to pretend nothing is going on, minimal fallout will occur, and play-it-by ear.
Great post. This is why I love hacker news
I'm so in.

I actually had an idea for something like this about a month ago. I'm not 100% sure how fraidycat operates, but I was thinking of some sort of social media aggregator that would only show updates at most once per day. The intention behind it being along a similar vein: to keep myself from doing the constant app switch and refresh just to make sure I wasn't missing out. Not that I would have ever executed, but I ditched the idea after looking through facebook's graph API and seeing that it wasn't feasible.

I never thought of making it a browser extension though! Good job, this is awesome!
Why is none of this mentioned on travel.state.gov ?

Is none of this official yet?
That doesn't answer the "significant" part, I think. It's an easy decision for the reasons you mention, but that doesn't mean it has a significant impact.
I bought an annual unlimited longhaul flight pass on AirAsia for ~$150 USD, still have to pay taxes and airport charges. One return flight home and it pays for itself. Will see how that turns out, but is very much bargain hunting time for the brave.

Also traffic is great now. One good thing to come out of this is that governments might see the huge infrastructure benefits from just a small increase in remote workers.

https://newsroom.airasia.com/news/2020/2/29/eng-aaunlimitedp...
> Even if you think you have it, there's still not enough test kits available yet

The messaging on this has been pathetic. The other day UW in Seattle announced they had a capacity to test 1,000/day. Not adequate for the nation, but for the PNW, sure.
proprietary: k7, k2/k3 (very frequently used so including them separately), dyalog APL, APL2 (still shipping), APL2000, D

not proprietary: NARS, ngn/k, J, klong, aplette, gnu apl, kona

javascript: ngn/apl, oK

calculator (free software): ivy

dead but the body's still warm (free software): xxl, nial,

dead but the body's still warm (proprietary): aplx, a+

There's a bunch missing here because everyone alive has written an APL interpreter at some point (Ken Thompson did for example but it's ancient history and has a few descendents), but listing all of them would take hours. Especially if we're getting into historical stuff.

They've been pretty heavily studied, though, certainly:

https://vector.org.uk (APL journal going back almost forty years)

If you have access to the old IBM journal, you'll find stuff that's past fifty, the first book on it is 58, and it itself is past sixty now.
I guess the word "magic" is cursed. General Magic, GetMagic.com, and now this (not that we didn't see it coming)...
India suspsends all existing visas issued to all foreign nationals till 15 April
immunesystem can also kill. in fact, one of the ways covid19 kills is through cytokine storm, a immune overreaction.

I don't understand why people seem so sure this is not a case of social immune overreaction.
for some reason I always thought russ cox was 60 years old (even 15 years ago) with a big grey neck beard. boy was I wrong!
Korean numbers are really the best info we have on the virus and yet you will never see anyone citing them. Guess it doesn't get as many clicks.
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The parent post is probably thinking of the bit-scrambling involved in the encryption providing some form of protection.
Do we have any reporting on their runway?
Thanks, this wasn't clear at all from Trump's announcement.
Don't let a crisis go to waste. Probably same reason for EARN act.
The original article (in Russian) is very well written. And the author feels like a true "full stack" engineer: high frequency and power electronics, optics, mechanical engineering, micro-controller software development, real time, simultaneous localization and mapping, visualization.
You can always check photopea.com
It's a photoshop in the browser.
Yeah, but at least I heard about it, a quick refresher should be enough, it’s not an alien concept.

And a good programmer should be able to learn a new domain if they want to excel in the craft, otherwise we’re back to software factories and code monkeys.
The one that people at Google who are the keepers of C++ code quality standards maintain themselves is Abseil.

https://cs.opensource.google/kythe/kythe/+/master:external/c...
Remember the staggering global response to polio and smallpox? Diseases that primarily affect the young are treated seriously. No one wants to see a six year old die from a preventable virus.
Sure, but I feel like Italy’s preparedness posture is closer to the US and they did get overwhelmed.
http://archive.is/r2lLF
The headline is funny...

"Incarcerated people tasked to make hand sanitizer to fight coronavirus are banned from using it themselves"

I mean, it's basically 120 proof ethyl alcohol. Of course they aren't allowed to have it. I'm very sympathetic to better prison conditions, but soap should be fine.
https://twitter.com/DHS_Wolf/status/1237915985476227078

Note that this technically covers "having been in Europe in the last 14 days", not merely "coming directly from Europe".
Enforcement of the latter is much easier, of course, and I'm sure some people will manage to sneak through by lying or customs not asking.

Also note that it's the Schengen zone, thus excluding both UK and Ireland.

Finally, it only excludes foreign nationals. US citizens should be able to return, but there's nothing stopping them from being tested and/or quarantined on return.
Magic the Gathering still going strong in its 26th year. Performing alchemy transmuting cardboard into gold.
Does Neal Stephenson still work for/with them?
It would be interesting if the disease caused the host to be inclined to spread it.
Chase, google, and a ton of others (I think even pichai personally) put big bets a few years back. ML portrayed the aurora of Snapchat, but ultimately their secrecy killed them as well.

Really reminds me of what happened with general magic (In secrecy w/ failed product and huge investor hype)

I also interviewed with this a while back: they were clearly frantic from what I could trll
Chase, google, and a ton of others (I think even pichai personally) put big bets a few years back. ML portrayed the aurora of Snapchat, but ultimately their secrecy killed them as well.

Really reminds me of what happened with general magic (In secrecy w/ failed product and huge investor hype)

I also interviewed with this a while back: they were clearly frantic from what I could tell
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School districts are closing down, for one. For example, my hometown's school district (Elk Grove Unified School District) shut down all campuses this week (but are apparently allowing athletic and academic team activities - i.e. sports - tomorrow): http://www.egusd.net/covid-19/
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Neat. I didn't know there was a WASM build of Shakti on the web.
“An analysis of 22 earlier studies of similar coronaviruses, including Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) published online this month in the Journal of Hospital Infection, concluded that human coronaviruses can remain infectious on inanimate surfaces for up to nine days at room temperature.”

https://news.trust.org/item/20200228215640-n07fz
How long of a taper did you do? im not on a very high dose but was still thinking about like 3 months. but I also am 50/50 like I'm worried about the after effects you have - this is working so well now I see very little downside to long term use and the upside is really big imho - except probably harder to eventually taper off the longer I'm on.
It IS happening in Italy, and it definitely happened in China. The difference is that Japan, South Korea and Singapore have much more powerful nationwide governments. This allowed them to put infection controls in place much earlier than we have in the USA. It remains to be seen where we top out, numbers-wise, vs. hospital capacity.
Just don't ever give LSD to somebody borderline schizo, if you don't want them to spiral down the drain. Little life lesson there.
Ask HN: Is there anywhere as intellectually curious as kuro5hin used to be?
It seems like kuro5hin from 2000 to 2006 or so was just about the best WWW forum of all time. Trolling and bad jokes, sure, but the discussion quality was higher than just about anywhere discussing technical topics on the WWW today. Where's the equivalent today?
I mean Cheeto said it so I already assumed it wasn’t right.
It's open core (Apache 2 + some non-OSS parts for enterprise features). All of the code is public and we develop in the open at https://github.com/sourcegraph/sourcegraph.
I love this thread!

And, isn't it likely this will be easier to support with Svelte eventually? My reasoning is that you just need to add a little syntactic sugar to the language and the compiler can add whatever code is necessary? With a runtime like React and Vue, it seems much harder to add in.
When you say "take a well calculated hit" do you mean "let a ton of people die?"
I had a chance to use one of the Meta headsets (Magic’s primary competitor) a few months before they went under. Don’t get me wrong, it was pretty cool to walk around a 3D model wearing a headset, but the UX was nowhere close to practically useable and the picture quality was too faint to do anything serious. There’s undoubtedly some kind of value in the tech and IP, but I can’t see these things being used for much anytime soon. VR is light years ahead in terms of practical potential, and it’s not really getting off the ground either. I can’t see them getting anything remotely close to $10B.
That is the one cost that is the same, every other one is different. And it's so cheap that people build the thing just in case firefighters need it.

So, the question is the other way around: why do you think there can't be savings?
Svelte vs. Vue – Which one to choose?
I don't think so, for reasons of both national and international law.

However, the US is not necessarily obliged to allow any particular vessel into the country.
> Unless you hermetically seal yourself from the outside world, you are still at risk.

By that logic, unless you hermetically seal yourself from the outside world, you are still putting everyone else at risk.

And in either case, by that same logic, isolation apparently doesn't matter, so might as well still go to the bar.
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Yeah, I don’t think we’ll ever have autonomous driving... mostly because we’ll have autonomous flying first and it’ll be way better!
> and never been to a city in the US?

Have you? Most of the US urban population in the US fits the points of the OP:

- Very few people use public transportation regularly (they use cars, in the cities, yes)

- Most people have private back yards (the infamous "American suburbs", where 50% of Americans live, count towards the urban population you mention)

- Many more meals are take-out or drive-thru

- More Americans use e-commerce for shopping than Europeans
I'm not convinced the numbers given here are sure to pan out long term. I've seen what seem like far more authoritative sources indicate that things are more unknown than this article.
I think elementary/high schools are how this will spread through communities with the most efficiency. Collect a person from each family, mix them together with the poorest respect for hygiene, then send them home, 5 times a week.

Here's the perspective of a San Jose public high school [1] proving that containment isn't a concern:

> Oak Grove High School officials said they were not considering school closures because “children have not been shown to be a high-risk group for serious illness from this virus.” The Centers for Disease Control said last week that limited reports showed child COVID-19 patients in China had generally presented with mild symptoms.

> “As much as possible, children should be allowed to carry on with their education and normal activities,” school officials said.

Related, a family member received a "exposure notice" from her child's school that one of the students tested positive. No closure.

There's no attempt for containment in the US. My hunch is that it's not needed as much as is being suggested by some. I guess we'll see.

[1] https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/08/oak-grove-high-school...
Depending on how spread goes, it would be easier to ban internal travel after banning international travel than going 0 to 100% ban in one swoop. Don’t underestimate that the damage of social unrest can easily surpass the potential damage of the virus. Remember public policies deal with people with emotions, not robots.
He is referring to the other day when trading was stop for 15 mins
I think, at some point, someone is going to figure out a way for easy integration with the whole industry.

Don’t know if that’s possible but I think it would need to start by integrating all loadboards. Imagine a unified loadboard where even small brokers & carriers could easily do everything. With every load booked, all logistics for shipping & receiving could be automatized.
Noted. For consistency sake however, I find having meaningful input or influence on the legislative process dangerous. Therefore I want to know who you are and what you intend to do with your vote or political aspirations. No lying now; that's illegal, and we'll arrest you if you do.

It can very easily cut both ways, and lead to very fundamental rights which we hold dear being infringed upon. The more indirect the level of control, generally the greater the potential for abuse or de facto banning.

The best regulation is the one we don't have to make, because we can manage to work it out between one another. This has the bonus of not sending a message to our descendants that we do not care for their eventual civil liberties, and what they do given they will be in a far better position to utilize them then than we are today.
> it just lowers the initial caseload

If it's done in time to prevent the bulk of that initial caseload, which is almost certainly not the case here.
> Rem is awesome, I think this guy just can't get passed the "it's new and so I don't like it" problem.

Maybe he has... the article is 7 years old, after all.
I'm all for expanding Medicare and Social Security, but to be fair the government is perfectly able to continue funding these things on a temporary basis without payroll tax receipts. Presumably a bill to freeze FICA taxes would also contain a provision for funding the expected shortfall with a transfer from the general fund or new federal debt issuance.