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Haven't read all the comments but this really seems like a 'special case' being an exception and does definitely not apply to the experience and quality you'll usually get on Joyent.

I have been with them for a couple of years and the only reason why I left was because the project I used to host there was put on hiatus and I don't need that kind of 'enterprise' hosting for my other stuff.

I agree there shouldn't be downtimes on any of their machines but just going by the headline, you'd think Joyent is unreliable when indeed their own server plans are rock-solid.

You make it sound like they are Dreamhost. That said, hope your problems will get solved soon.
Can't speak for that question or this case specifically but I was sick (gastro) in India a few years ago. My now-wife went off to find medication. The pharmacist had her describe the problem and put together a bag of tablets and electrolyte drinks. She asked how much. He said "30." She said "30 dollars?"

He said, "No, rupees."

I think that was less than 70 US cents at the time.
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>That's why people switch off when you talk about statistical significance - their brains don't remember statistics so they go to sleep instead of thinking.

That's why it's important to know something of whom you address¹. "Do you follow me?", then give a review, simplification or expansion based on the response.

Your previous description of DI sounds like brain washing intended to wipe out individual identity and sounds as if it makes no effort to consider individual abilities or characters at all?

--

1 - that's probably bad grammar, I was never taught grammar
If the connection is lost in-between, would the download resume from that point?
This FAQ is much better than many tutorials and guides I've seen around, at least for someone who knows a little.

Funny how I don't remember ever encountering it when search for help.
Citation:

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/129776/after_controver...
He didn't ask. My past interaction with them is irrelevant, because I only commented on their tickets enough to determine that it would take hours of my time and recurring hours of administration to take them up on their "free" offer. I decided to stay with the service I had paid for in advance.
T minus 10 minutes before this hits TechCrunch
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2268720
Git is a polite way of saying bastard before 9pm on TV in the UK, e.g. You lucky git. They also use it in Ireland and down under.
I will edit my original post as soon as they solve the problem. No response yet, other than excuses and denigration from Jason Hoffman (Joyent founder) in this thread.

Edit: I can no longer edit the original post, but I will post a comment.
Most people seem to say that it works just fine. In my limited experience, it was just like git on Linux.

Given that git was created for hosting the Linux kernel, it should be obvious why it's not a first-class citizen.
I'll cop to the same - though thankfully it was my workstation and not a production server (and more than a decade ago).

I would imagine just about everyone from the same era who was newly exposed to administering both sunos/solaris and linux probably did the same thing. (the longbeards who already new Sunos/solaris would already know better)

But seriously.. what a stupid command. What was the practical value of "killall" on solaris? seriously?
You can access the agile key via dropbox's web login without having to install
It's not just you, Henry Spencer reportedly said it (first?) in 1987.

"Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy#Quotes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Spencer#cite_note-2
I just want to apologize for the awful spelling and punctuation. It was written on an iPad.

"im nut saying..." >_<
btw. Elapsed time between opening the support request and an answer from someone at Joyent - 9 minutes... Elapsed time from opening support request to receiving account details for an account on a new machine about 26 minutes. That includes the time it took me to get back to them about some details of the account.
In general, the $FAMOUS_DEAD_AUTHOR estate can go fuck itself; such things usually exist for rent-seeking and nothing else. This is especially egregious, though, and there's probably a law against making baseless trademark threats in bad faith. Which the Tolkien estate can ignore with impunity because the legal system is scary for most people, and always inconvenient.

In happier news, though, copies of the banned buttons are now on sale from someone else. The Streisand effect works.
My wife who's studying to be a Librarian explained to me the situation. Overdrive http://www.overdrive.com/default.aspx provides software to library that lets them loan out ebooks with DRM that expires after 2 weeks. Also the library can't loan the book to more than one library user at a time.

HarperCollins wasn't happy that ebooks could be loaned out infinitely and decided to add another restriction to the license it has with Overdrive. This would limit the amount of time a library can loan books to about 26 times. Which is a ridiculous amount. (I'd like to see data on how many times on average books have been loaned before needing replacement. I'd wager it's more than 26 times)
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I wasn't trying to say he should have heard of it. Sorry if it came off that way. I was actually honestly asking if he had any different features, since I was on my iPhone at the time and didn't have time to check out the site.
Aw, man!

We need something like this. As someone who has just learned Django and loves it, this is a bummer.

Are there other Django deployment platforms out there?
While those may be commonly agreed upon as being wrong, it's hardly an encompassing definition.
I wrote one of these a few months ago, and decided not to pursue it because I was one guy and just couldn't keep up on my own. I keep thinking I need to just shove what I wrote up on GitHub so people can at least look at it. It's a very interesting set of decisions you need to make.
Thanks for the tip. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the name personally. My co-founder picked it and had the initial code already started when I met him, so we just went with it.
Alright, both of these are in. $ increments the color, ^ decrements it. In addition, = now causes the child ant to have its color incremented, and < causes the child color to be decremented. Technicolor craziness.

Edit: Really don't like the color stuff. I've left in $ and ^, but I've turned it off for forks. It just looks like random nonsense, sadly.
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Providing forms of communication other than IRC and mailing lists (and issue trackers) is probably the first step towards getting designers participating.
Sometimes, I wish I was 20 years younger so that I could have been reading stuff like this all through my childhood.

I wonder how long before we see child prodigies who read all these free textbooks, Khan academy stuff, and online MIT courses coming out in droves?
> On Solaris it kill all active processes.

*nix newbie here - how is a process determined to be active vs not? Wouldn't this completely tank the machine?
>In each case the learner will learn more quickly and more efficiently than in the classroom. He will learn whatever it is 'just in time' and he won't be burdened by stuff he doesn't need.

Part of schooling is becoming a member of a country's workforce. One must learn some things to be a benefit to society - it is not just about self-directed "hedonistic" learning (ie learning only to meet ones own perceived desires).

Indeed with some forced learning one can come to understand that one's previous desires were short-sighted and wouldn't ultimately lead to the pleasure one imagined.

For example, some who watch Harry Potter movies might not apply themselves to learning to read in order to enjoy the books; even if ultimately this lead them to greater enjoyment of more varied literature and indeed more fulfilment.
Absolutely Rob. Happy to collaborate also, if you're interested. Out of curiosity, what is lettur implemented in?
Ask HN: Do you tend to think you are right?
In any given situation, do you have a tendency to think that your opinion is right? Or are you wary of yourself, do you think "I don't trust my instincts, I might be wrong". Do you often change your mind based on what others say to you?
Only "free" for those of us who paid for a lifetime of service in advance when his company was starting. His gratitude is apparently nil.
I'm also an electrical engineer, planning to start working this summer. I took a little detour to study for a M.Sc in mathematical ecology after finishing my B.Eng. I did some fairly heavy programming, algorithms and data visualization in MATLAB to support my thesis on scallop population dynamics. I'd love to get into doing control and/or sensing for ocean applications.

Ideally, I'd like to start a business in this field eventually. But don't feel that I have the connections or expertise yet. This type of engineering is not hacking, so the "ramen profitable, learn as you go" paradigm seems to be less applicable. My plan is to learn some more in industry over the course of however many years. As it stands I can build things, but I don't understand enough about the market to make sure I build the right things.

PS: Is anyone looking for recently graduated EEs with a little more math and programming than typical? You don't have to be in the ocean, though that could be a bonus.
Another favourite is typing "shutdown -h now" into the wrong terminal: I know a few people who have admitted to doing that.

I do that less now that the machine's hostname is prominently displayed in my prompt.
Thank you for the list! It shows not only the obvious and known choices but pretty interesting alternatives. I just found out which new analytics I gonna test in my website.
Agreed. I'm aware of a few small businesses that seem to be doing well at undercutting the big players with SCADA.
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Let me guess, Zuckerberg will get the $150 billion as soon as he sends money to bail the King's brother out of jail?
I bought a lifetime account as well, then migrated when offered: support and uptime has been the best ever for me.
Hi Havoc2005,
I'm from DC too and currently starting my own startup. We can always meet up and share ideas. Meetup.com is a good start to meet up with tech startup entrepreneurs in this area.
Not really. If google somehow loses your mail, it's not like you'd switch to using mail.app. You'd use it to upload your mail back to google or another provider.
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Sounds like the OP is getting the service for free anyway...
I've got a lifetime account on davie.textdrive.com and I've been waiting for my "golden ticket" for a couple years now. I never got any decent communication from joyent and everything still works, so I was disinclined to make trouble for myself. I'd be happy to migrate if it's not a lot of work.
Seems like the lesson for you here is: never give free hosting, people feel terribly entitled once they have it and their negative feedback may cause trouble in your actual products.
Wilson's post, which the OA was referring, actually jives with my own current "best practice" ideals, namely:

1. don't take investment. it over-complicates things, and it's better to get money from customers anyway. it scales up and down better. customers hate you? well, you won't be burning much money because there's nothing much to burn. customers love you? you'll have more money, which in turn makes it easier to acquire more customers

2. don't advertise. less money spent on advertising is more for, oh, product development and "keeping the lights on" and metaphorical Ramen, and less need for investment. also, less advertising means less wiggle room for your product to suck. with less advertising, your product MUST be better, inherently, and people MUST want to tell others about it more, inherently. these are good things. a virtuous cycle.

that said, of course, given two otherwise good products/teams/markets, yes an advantage will go to whoever can advertise more. but it's rare that you have two otherwise identical and equally good products competing at the exact same time and with the same feature set and market. if it happens, fine, advertise. but probably the smarter strategy is to keep your head down and focused on the product, and to pick niches which don't appear to have big money competitors (yet). I believe there's a bottleneck and shortage of talent and taste in the world, with probably time the second most bottleneck, and both money and ideas are much farther down the list. Therefore, advantage goes to those with more talent & taste, under otherwise equal conditions.

take all this with grain of salt, as I'm somewhere between semi-am/semi-pro and wantrepreneur at this point.
This is humor people (like an Onion article). Here is the original source
http://dawnwires.com/politics/saudi-king-to-buy-facebook-to-...
> rule number 1 of software: don't lose your user's data

That doesn't scale to the scope of Gmail. The appropriate precautions to preserve old medical records differ in kind from those appropriate for old shopping lists.

I'd like my Google account to have a "Backup URL" field, that I could set to <git:tux.example.org> or <venti:glenda.example.com>. Google would undertake to push all "my" data to that URL, to pull it back as needed to recover their systems, and to publish the format it was stored in. I'd be responsible for the rest.

Venti: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/venti/venti.html or http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/venti/venti.pdf
Ask HN: Does the Usefulness of Computers Outweigh the Environmental Impact?
Hundreds of millions of computer products are trashed every year and less than 20% recycled. Many of those recycled are sent to China where they are processed by hand and the stench of melting solder blankets the city. Many processors contain gold that is largely mined by hand by under-payed workers in Africa and India. Manufacturing a single computer requires more than 1 ton of water, fossil fuel and other chemicals.

Much has been made of the positive ethical impact of social networking lately particularly for stimulating social justice. Moreover, writers like Stewart Brand and Bruce Sterling have argued that in order for humanity to become resilient to environmental catastrophe, we must become massively connected. In the future we will "wrangle" massive realtime data sets and global-scale sensor networks will give us a fine-grained understanding of global physical, social, biological, even one day perhaps mental phenomena. McLuhan talks of the global village. Guattari talks of a planetary consciousness.

Surely you are interested in computers because you believe that they can do good. Do you believe that the good that you do with computers outweighs the environmental impact (and ethical injustice) that the production of the hardware entails?
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It would be easier to keep a backup if you could delete attachments (but not the messages) from your old emails. Feel free to suggest it here: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/static.py?page=suggestion...
No, Mail.app imports and exports standard mbox format.
The lesson jasonhoffman could learn:

If you have a small set of users who bought lifetime accounts to bet on a company you founded than even with new company I would bend over backwards to make sure their needs are met as a thank you.

Otherwise some gets the bright idea to put up a joynet sucks web page with proper Google approved SEO and makes this little PR bump a big EFFING MOUNTAIN!'

jasonhoffman, I imagine you have less than 12 hours before that happens..as TechCrunch may do it for 'free'..:)
For #2, you have them doing things like hiding exculpatory evidence. I don't think that's what they should be doing. If they find something that proves a guy innocent (e.g. they do a DNA analysis that excludes the suspect), they have no right to hide it just to get a conviction.

For #3, I tend to agree with you, but there are a handful of hang 'em judges out there.

For #5, I don't have any examples because that happens only in a handful of states and the people who appoint the judges usually have more sense than to appoint someone absurd. That said, Supreme Court appointments only require Presidential approval and Congress' consent to the choice. There has been a justice or two that wasn't exactly a highly regarded legal mind, but with the appointments being so contentious these days, in practice, they tend to appoint people with auspicious pedigrees.
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I get having a passion for your product -- I really do. Some of the responses here from Jason are on the border line, though, and I think they are making the situation worse overall. I wish, for his sake, that he'd have quit while ahead.

Without a doubt, Jason has the best intentions here, but I'm getting a really bad vibe from reading the entire thread -- particularly the by the way, you contributed to a ticket and I can look it up so I'm going to remind you so that you'll look stupid for bitching about us bit.

The hostile you-are-wrong attitude, while maybe technically correct, is a disaster for outside perception.
The hosting is not free. It was paid for in advance.
I love it! How about the addition of a stop button?
Shimon from DjangoZoom here. I wish the best for Dave and Sameer in their new directions. For anyone looking for Django hosting, we're working every day to build the best Django deployment and hosting solution, and will have big news real soon now. Although we've been quiet lately, it's because we've been heads-down developing the latest version of DjangoZoom, and we expect to send out more invites in a couple of weeks.

It's odd to see a competitor give up. We think this is a very promising space and are personally very excited about it. We're in it for the long haul, and welcome any suggestions or questions.
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>And this has been quite a good deal for you. The logic of moving from something that costs you nothing to something that does costs you something is interesting.

Downtime costs him. So much so that he's willing to pay for uptime.

Also, it didn't cost him "nothing". He paid for service. It wasn't free.

Your reply sounds like you don't value him as a customer anymore because he's not giving you money anymore. Nobody forced textdrive into offering the "lifetime" package. You should treat him like a valued old customer, rather than calling his logic "interesting".
I don't react the same way in any situation. In situations where I know I'm an expert, I trust my instincts. In areas where I'm not expert - perhaps just a novice, I tend to change my mind based on what others may say or things I learn/research on my own.

Isn't that how everyone does it?
The post mentions they didn't want to make a multiple year commitment by taking investment dollars, but I have to imagine there are others out there willing to take the risk. Sell the business. Cloud computing is hot everywhere, but doubly so with VCs. Heruku's huge exit only helped fuel this fire and should make something like Djangy attractive to look at.
It almost sounded legit... almost
As I read the article, and only a paragraph or two into it, I was reminded once again why I think Google naming both their browser and their Linux distro "Chrome" was a bad idea. Feels like an amateur mistake the kind I wouldn't expect them to make but they did. Yes, technically, one is called ChromeOS, but obviously many folks are going to drop the -OS part when talking about it, thus causing confusion.
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I actually do not know how much environmental impact my desktop PC (and a 22" monitor) made. Worse than my 42" TV? Like a car panel or maybe a dozen cellphones?

I just don't know its costs. And I would need more details before answering the question.
You want to have as few alignment lines as possible? I would think that aligning elements (buttons, form fields, etc.) would be a good thing. Of course, I'm a developer so that may be my problem. :)
In response to this, and a few similar comments I intend to add a privacy policy that explains, in detail, the level of protection we offer. I imagined this site as more of a fun communication tool that a resource for whistle-blowers. I definitely do not want to put anyone in danger. I appreciate the input.
Google offers push email for iOS that works really well, did you ever try that? It also supports contacts and calendar, which is pretty slick.
He was just paraphrasing the bible:

"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." -- Ecclesiastes 1:9
Mail.app quite easily saves messages (or groups of messages) as standard mbox files. Select the messages you wish to export, go to "File -> Save As..." and select "Raw Message Source" as your desired format.

If you're just looking to move messages to another server though, it's almost certainly easier to add a different mail server and drag/drop your messages to the new server.
>Donating 10% of revenue away, wouldn't go down too well with average Joes pension scheme.

Presumably then "average Joes pension scheme" can go elsewhere to try and achieve a better return. What you're saying is that companies can't be generous because they have to satisfy the lust of the owners for more and more money.

Basically some are happy to ride on the coattails of others who more than likely see the innate Kantian imperative in aiding FOSS that has benefited them (and hence their dependents) in no small part. If no one gives anything (time/money/resources) to FOSS then it will die out.

10% of revenue may well be too much but some reflection of the saving made (if any) would seem reasonable and likely to produce future benefits.
Yes, because it's not just one file but thousands of individual messages. If you start downloading by POP or IMAP it will bring down the individual messages, so if you get stuck in the middle it will resume (after some waiting time to figure out what's not transfered). It only takes a long time once and then should be hardly noticeable.
It wasn't "free". We bought a "lifetime" package. I don't recall the details, but I ponied up a couple hundred dollars at a time when we didn't know textdrive was going to make it. I don't expect a lot of support, but I do expect uptime and courtesy.
You can (if Zazzle will let you) just ignore them.

They have no case.
I paid $400 for lifetime service via the vc2 drive sometime in mid 2005. I got about 2.5 years of usable service before I completely abandoned textdrive. An effective rate of $160/yr for really marginal shared hosting.

I currently pay ~$215/year for a linode account.

I will continue to pay for linode.
One has to believe that with the variety of startups coming out that seed-level spray and pray, coupled with selective follow-on will likely get you in on big things.

Worst case, you have an existing relationship with a large number of startups, a percentage of which will undoubtedly go on to bigger things or exits -- the trick is of course in how big that percentage is.

This is evidenced somewhat by the increasingly large number of teams getting accepted by YC.
You can have Gmail forward all your incoming mail (or even better, just the non-spam mail). Worst case you can then import that back into Gmail. I just have a copy kept on my computer and its various backups.
Fair point. I feel like it's somewhat similar here. If djangy was [becoming] a success the team may have made a different decision.