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There are certainly some problems, but I don't think they're all on one side. I think that the fact that people who don't spend any effort understanding the problem or trying to improve things treat Wikipedians with such contempt is also part of the problem.

Figuring out how to write an encyclopedia isn't a particularly easy problem, and a lot of people have spent some effort trying to balance things like, on the one hand, wanting coverage of everything, and on the other hand, not wanting physics kooks spamming up Wikipedia with their fringe theories. Lots of people disagree on how to do it, but I think people should at least make some effort to understand things rather than seeing it through the narrow tunnel vision of "the thing I'm a fan of deserves special treatment and Wikipedians don't see that so they're idiots". As in open-source, it's to some extent a contrib-ocracy; if you don't help improve the encyclopedia at all, but only show up when some external fan community is aggrieved, that sort of "contribution" isn't appreciated any more than it would be at LKML (they get such influxes now and then too, e.g. from fans of a module that wasn't accepted for merging).

> who outside of a subset of wikipedians thinks deletionism is a good idea

I actually see the opposite criticism at least as often! Wikipedia's often attacked in academic literature, and some news stories, for being filled with "Star Wars and Pokemon cruft", and not paying enough attention to reliable sources or people with expertise in various fields. There are also periodic controversies about it including articles on borderline-notable people who object to their inclusion. Most forks, like Larry Sanger's "Citizendium", have been based on the Wikipedia-is-too-loose-with-its-standards criticism, rather than the opposite one. Not that I agree with it, but it does seem to be the most common criticism outside of fan communities.
The two situations are way too different: the relationship between a child and his parents implies that the parents have an authority on him. Deletionists have no authority on the content of Wikipedia. They know the policies and how to make Wikipedia work. Those policies grant them an advantage and if they misuse them, the users have little recourses. This, combined with arrogance, enrage the users.

I do not approve the harshness that we saw tonight, but it is easily understandable.
No it isn't, there are plenty of people working hours late that and slugging through it. And it's true that 80 hour weeks don't 'necessarily' lead to excellence; actually it's quite obvious. However, there aren't many people who do achieve excellence without extreme dedication. So working 80 hours will add to the results you will achieve.

It's not for everyone, fine. Not everybody can be top 1%. By definition, 99% can't, obviously. But let's stop pretending that we're all equal and everybody is the best. We're not, and only the brightest who work the hardest and smartest, and have some luck, will be the best.
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We've taken Quplo's [Common Sense Code Completion][
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Apologies. It was meant to be a joke, but I suppose it didn't work very well. I just meant that that version of history seems unrealistic and I can't see anything to support it.
Doesn't work in the linux version :( Skype, can we have an update with new functionality? (the interface is fine!)
Oh, an name of idonthack with no comments and no karma really. Well, since you don't meet the requirements of notability in my world I'm just going to down vote you.

Thanks for playing anonymous troll.
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You can also press the upper arrow to edit the last message (on mac)
>He very correctly points out that people should simply fix the Wikipedia rules then.

Everyone is responsible for their own action. You should not follow rules that are bad, you should ignore them or try to change them yourself. "Just doing my job" is not a legitimate excuse and if I had the power I would punish that defense more severely than any other because it's the most dangerous.
You could come to Japan, where ladies have to buy you chocolate and then the gents choose to reciprocate a month later (or not).

I'd complain on general principles, but since Valentines Bingo has covered my apartment move, two months of rent, and a romantic evening out, I guess I have limited standing.
Is it wrong that when I saw this topic I assumed it was going to be a post about optimizing for holiday promotions?
> No, no; no need to argue here. You already had me sold. Down with nuanced understanding, I say.

A "nuanced understanding" of rules just lets people enforce them arbitrarily. Either make them concrete and fair, or find a way to not need them.
Mmh, I noticed it works with my Skype client, on Fedora, while it doesn't work wth my buddy's client, on Windows.
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'value' to who? You yourself and your direct environment, presumably. How much did your other interests contribute to your software skills? Maybe a bit, but not as much as other skills would have that you could (with directed effort) have learned in the time you spend on other things.

I'm not saying it's wrong, I too live my life for myself, not for others, and not to be the very best developer I could potentially be at the exclusion of everything else. I like to do things outside of software as well, every now and then. But that doesn't take away from the fact that I could have been better if I'd spend the time on it.

So, 'the ultimate hacker' (as in, 'the theoretical ideal of the very best developer') is someone who eats, breathes and drinks programming (or at least 'software development' in the broad sense). Socializing, a family, learning macrame - all of those things do not add to being the ultimate hacker.
I see your IP is from a flowers shop downtown!
> In JavaScript, there are two different ways to define a function: using the function expression and the function declaration statement, the latter having subtle restrictions. Move only has function expressions.

Except using named functions will also make your stack traces useful. Because function names tell you more than line numbers.
So how do I write the literal version now? I still want it for humorous effect.
Wow, DHTML! I hadn't seen this in 10 years at least!
All of them. If you learn only from one mistake, you've failed. Most likely in your first few businesses you will make numerous mistakes.
Funny, now!

In the future, common practice.
> None of the articles I nominated for deletion had any reliable sources to back them up

You didn't look very hard, did you?

For instance, the Alice ML homepage lists an entire page of papers. http://www.ps.uni-saarland.de/alice/papers.html - including nine thesises at various levels, something that wouldn't happen to something non-notable.

For Nemerle, Google Scholar has 81 results, http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=nemerle&hl=en&bt...
Please see my response to knowtheory in the sibling post to yours.
In Japan that's the default. Wife takes care of the budget and gives a monthly "allowance" to the husband.

I don't know what you mean by financially literate, but they don't have to know much about investments or interest rates. Their job is to set a budget and stick to it every month. Most people will avoid getting deep into debt except for large purchases such as a house or a car, and savings account's interest rates are practically 0%. So being good at managing a budget is nearly all that matters.
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Yep, you're right. I was accidentally talking out of my ass. Sorry :)
He's making a good point. However, he's overlooking the crystal clear fact that psytrance, a subgenre of electronic, is about transcendence almost above and beyond everything imaginable in this particular universe.
The main theme for a Mac based IRC client has this feature built in. Though it only reflects for people that have that client/theme. If you are wondering the client, it is Linkinus.

I believe the change is visible in Skype for all participants.
As a suggestion, you could search the line for the substring with the least Levenshtein distance from the correction, to use as the text to replace—and thus also support the "*word" correction syntax I see quite more often from non-technical friends. :)
I'm sorry that you are incapable of taking 5 minutes to find read the specific Wikipedia policy pages that mentioned by name. Just because you know nothing about subjects and like to bullshit about them on the internet does not mean that everyone else does the same. Since you mostly seem to be interested in hearing yourself speak I will not engage you further.
But why would he apologize? He sees himself as following the letter of the law, and points out that if this is an issue, change the law.

Honestly this sounds like 2 things -
A cry of help from Wikipedia stating they need concerted outside help/force to fix something they can see is broken/can be improved

A lawyer saying that its not his fault the rules are what they are.
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You absolutely, 100% cannot get angry at your users. If they misuse your product, it's your fault. If they don't understand something, it's your fault.
One of the challenges with remaking the page is that you have to start over from scratch. If the page is deleted, it's gone. There's no way for you to see the edit history or anything. So you have to go back to basic research. Get to the library. Sit on Google for an afternoon.
http://i.imgur.com/prFIq.jpg (via the TV show CSI, haha)

I love UI reproductions in TV shows... this looks like a glorified Winamp plugin for doing reverse ip lookups hah.
'separate accounts' != 'separate investing'

As I understood it, his 'separate accounts' just means they keep separate 'books', so to speak. I have 'separate accounts' from my business partners, but when I see an opportunity for which I need more cash than I have (or that is more profitable for higher amounts), I can still team up with them for mutual benefit.
LOL, aaaaaaaaah HN :)
I like to think of Valentine's day not as Valentine's day, but as Single's Awareness Day.

Because that's what I'll be for this year.
Demographically, Wikipedia is white male nerds. You might have seen some stuff in the media lately about how it's felt that this limits the scope of the encyclopedia. But it's not so much that there's an anti-nerd sentiment, it's that we have to broaden the base.

It can be a bit crazy sometimes. You think you have problems with your page -- I heard that the #1 actor in India had his page deleted because some kid from a Western country thought he was non-notable. Wikipedia can be a great place to learn about science and technology, but let's say, the history of feminism? There are articles on every micro-neighborhood of San Francisco, but sometimes hardly anything on major cities of Africa.
Background here: http://kilianvalkhof.com/2011/web/laserey-es-draw-lasers-fro...

Basically, it's a fun little project for me to try out a whole bunch of new stuff, including the file API, the drag-and-drop-api, openCV and Canvas. It works best in Firefox, and otherwise in chrome (though performance on mac is abysmally slow)

Let me know what you think, and please set a laserified photo as your Facebook profile picture :)
At a startup the code will still be bad but there won't be anyone to blame.
I don't know how any reasonably intelligent person could continue to stubbornly insist that stuxnet was too lame to be done by a government agency. This isn't even a question, of course it was. It isn't even speculation anymore. The only question is which one(s).
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Could you please not call other people “nazis” because they have a slightly different opinion?
> there is however a moral obligation to not lie to your customers.

Why do you believe that? A company has no moral obligations to its customers in any way.
Neil,

I've talked to a few people who work at WMF (mainly at SxSWi last year) about deletionism and the WMF, and i definitely distinguish between the policies, the contributors implementing them and the WMF. My main point in discussing the issue was simply to explain why i thought your previous post was on the disingenuous side.

What i don't see a lot of, either though, is discussion about what are alternative models that can avoid conflicts like this that flair up. So it's mainly just two groups of people who are angry at each other and shouting, rather than a meaningful discussion either about the way that wikipedia functions, or about the particular subject matter being administrated.

Does the WMF have a blog, mailing list, or some sort of place where technical stuff, or things about how tools interact w/ the community are discussed?

Additionally, i think that it is definitely possible for 3rd parties to look at wikipedia and things that can be done to improve it from the outside, and that the WMF could encourage them both actively and passively (i know you guys have done a bunch of things like providing dumps of wikipedia and api access and all that).

Does the WMF have (code) contests to achieve/highlight goals they have for Wikipedia? If so i'm not aware of them.

Wikipedia provides a lot of opportunities. I'm sure being inside the WMF does too. Would love to know more about it.
Agreed. but that's something you have to go through to shatter naive illusions about what building a startup means.
Ruby lacked verifiable evidence of notability from independent secondary sources. Wikipedia strenuously avoids making subjective judgment calls about whether anything is notable despite somehow failing to have been noticed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability
Related: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2207030
all gone now.
* Build for your customer, not for yourself.

* Make one thing very good, ignore trying to do hundreds of features at launch.
You can edit sent messages on IRC?
It's not entirely clear what Elop means by "value transfer". My initial reading was that Microsoft would just be writing a big fat cheque to Nokia in exchange for Nokia using WP7. It sounds like it's actually something slightly more subtle but I wonder what it will boil down to.
only after there was a backlash: he did was felt right, people failed to counter, an admin deleted stuff, people bitched and moaned --> therefore, fine if the system is not yielding the right results let's change it.

Chris seems to be really decent. even if he had a lapse in judgement, he embraces pleasant discussion. i'm embarrassed by the juvenille response: the meanness most of all, but also the unwillingness to see someone else's perspective or view efforts as a collaboration rather than a fight.

if a teammate messes up, you help them, you don't shoot them down.
Real explosions are cooler than marketing blog posts :)
Yup. One of the gems from Sara Lacy and one of the reasons worth spending time on tc. Most of the non-valley/non-startup folks don't get the connected(whole story) of the ecosystem - it is great to see someone connecting the dots.
If you make something useful and cool and probably easy to use , then u WILL succeed!
I don't think Javascript being too complicated is a real world problem.
Cool, just tested with an image of superman.(redundant?)
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guy> I love you darling!

girl> GO 2 HELL!!

guy> s/love/hate

guy> s/darling/bitch
Well, controlling 16 sparkplugs with a mechanical distributor at that rpm was always going to lead to timing issues. That much power from such a little engine, when it did work, is amazing to me.
Deletionism is the reason Wikipedia has only a moderate shortage of editors curating content, rather than an utterly insoluble maintenance nightmare. If this farce means the inclusionists are winning, it's the beginning of the end for Wikipedia. They will get what they seem to want—a mirror of the entire web hosted at wikipedia.org, with just as much outdated, useless, and actively misleading crap.
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three viable ecosystems is better for consumers than two. it also forces more competition to be dev friendly since apps are a large part of each player's strategy.
So what would you recommend someone self-taught who just bombed his past couple of interviews do?

Nothing like failing on elementary math questions to make you feel like a class A idiot, especially if your title is 'Senior Software Engineer', and here I go, bombing on freaking word problems in a numeracy test.

I feel like a total fraud, like I'm in the wrong field, I could have done those easily straight out of high school.
I thought we were talking competitive based on specs and price. I know I was.
"I'm developing an app in my spare time"
Or as Objective-C is a superset of C.
And apparently your Windows devs as well...
I grew up in Lincolnshire (Grimsby to be precise), but I'm over in Nottingham now. I know a few geeks in the Midlands, but never met any in Lincs.
So, what languages were deleted? How much disk space was reclaimed by the deletion? How much bandwidth will that spare?

If someone thinks the language is not notable, there is a discussion page attached to the main article where such things can be expressed. The obscurity of the language can also be communicated in the article itself. While lots of us can be pretty sure Nemerle will have no lasting impact in the field, they can be wrong.
>>"A decision to swing to Android would have tilted the mobile ecosystem in the direction of a duopoly, but we wanted to create a challenger," he said.

It looks like he didn't explain why they wanted to create a "challenger".

imo having three dominant players is better than having two dominant players. However, it would have been great to get Elop's thoughts on what benefits Nokia would get from creating a "challenger" and why a "duopoly" was not good for Nokia.
Works on Windows. At least it did a few months ago when I first discovered it.
At first like I was like "what the..", but then I was "whoo hoo, my eyez haz lazer" :P
The problem is that WP is a place where a "global culture" (i.e. an encyclopaedia with global scope) meets sub-culture (in this case a sub-set of programmers).

My own personal feeling is that we are too quick to scrub stuff. But there is an important reason for the notability guideline; even though the Wiki is essentially limitless there is a point where indiscriminate inclusion just becomes impossible to handle. I reckon near 70% of the current content is sub-standard and probably about 20% is abysmal - the clean up effort on that is going to take decades. Without some form of line in the sand that gets worse and worse and worse till in the end we have a spam filled mess.

In this case the GNG was clearly being applied a little strongly; bottom line is that common sense is important :) A programming language with a tenuous but credible claim to notability should probably stay.

I wrote the Mongrel2 article, which is potentially hanging by the skin of its teeth if really questioned. Fortunately common sense does tend to prevail with most editors, so I don't see it being deleted any time soon.

> I personally have had some idiot with a vendetta get a page about me deleted numerous times

Which one? I cleaned up your [1] article a little while ago and all I found in the history was on old PROD (proposed deletion) [2]

The deletion process is designed to be flexible; so we have speedy deletions for stuff that is quite obviously out of scope or otherwise problematic from a single glance. Those are quite tight criteria and all they really need to be bypassed is a credible claim to significance (not notability, it is a lower claim). Next is the PROD; which requires you to make a statement about why it should be deleted. That sticks around for 7 days when an admin will have a look and either agree or disagree - during which time anyone else (this is what I spend a lot of my time doing) jumps in to fix it and decline the prod. Then we have AFD which is a full discussion lasting 7 days to establish whether the article can stay. The point is to make sure a few people are checking out the article.

It's not a perfect process for certain and sometimes it is possible for "a single person can get a page deleted", but never really without warning (to someone..).

There is, I think, two problems; firstly a groundswell of material we are slogging through the get up to scratch. And secondly we don't have enough active editors in the sub-domains. Feel free to fix the latter :)

All you need to do is make a place to put these pages rather than delete them and you'll solve tons of problems.

Deletionpedia does this already BTW. [3]

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zed_Shaw

2. The PROD stemmed from when the article was first created. That is a real problem, it pisses me off how quick people are to tag & get rid of new stuff nowadays.

3. http://deletionpedia.dbatley.com/
It's interesting that, presumably in valiant defense of the ready availability of potentially relevant information, HN users have here voted the extremely relevant airing of a not wildly unreasonable argument, directly from the central figure in an internet-wide debate and the personal topic of this thread, down to -4.

I usually dislike and cringe at whinging about downvotes, but I think whatever pattern of thought is at work in such a decision is genuinely relevant to the topic at hand.
Anyone know where I could buy some of that?
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* working with an investor who wants to do all of your customer relations for you

-> This leads to a situation where you see customers asking questions in a forum and you (as a developer) are not allowed to answer because this is what the investor's support team is supposed to do. Thus, answering will be slow and of low quality. This builds a bad reputation. I will never do that again.
Agreed. This article is an exception that proves a rule that a lot of tech writing is lacking something.

Maybe it's volume over substance (ironically discussed in this article: low quality views vs. engaged users)
Do you have access to iTunes U? There are loads of courses available from basic math all the way to advanced computer science. I majored in Math, not CS, and used a few algorithms classes to come up to speed with stuff I should have known already.

For brain teaser type problems, I like Martin Gardner books.
FTA:

"It is widely accepted that the spark for the recent dramatic events in Egypt came from last month's uprising in Tunisia. If people power could bring down one regime perhaps it could do the same elsewhere.

Many of the necessary conditions were already in place: public fury at years of political repression, an economy that rewarded a corrupt elite and kept a majority in poverty, and widespread loathing for a leader clinging to office.

Could Egyptians be persuaded to overcome 30 years of fear and apathy and take to the streets?

It is no accident that this question has been answered, emphatically. Over the course of a remarkable fortnight, People & Power has been filming exclusively behind the scenes with a core group of young activists from the April 6th opposition movement.

As Elizabeth Jones reveals, they have spent a long time planning and organising for these momentous days, taking lessons from other revolutions about how to mobilise popular support."
Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were supporting a 'rage is sufficient reason to attack people' position. My counter-example was intended to show clearly that rage can be entirely unreasonable and inappropriate and to disprove a general statement that 'rage is sufficient reason to attack people', which glorifies rage and anger over logic and reason. But we were missing each other's points I think.
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Deleting a well-written, well-sourced article on the basis of notability reduces the total information of Wikipedia.

I didn't say that. Someone else said it. I just heard it.