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The specific example shown in the attached article works fine for me in Slack with the updated editor.

```
when you do `foo()` it foos the bar.
```

Looks fine for me? Only the `foo()` is highlighted, not the entire line as shown. Have they pushed out a fix for this already?
I'm intrigued at how this NN plays in the fuzzy line between magical surrealism and wordy incomprehensibility, it reminds me of the writings of many great writers...
Hey there, a long story short, it was accidentally launched on PH a day early so we were running around a bit crazy earlier today. I submitted it earlier as a Launch with a comment/copy and paste but realized it should have been a Show. I also wanted to write the comment myself instead of the copy/paste.

Thanks for your interest!
That's basically been the conventional thinking about rocketry historically - scientists and engineers looked at the tyranny of the rocket equation and choose to maximize payload per launch because they were largely funded by government or quasi government "cost plus" types of contracts. The design philosophy of working close to margins comes from this thinking.

SpaceX's greatest contribution has been to look at rocketry from the point of view of economics of running a rocket launching business as opposed to a "per launch cost plus" model realizing that fuel cost for launching a rocket is close to trivial compared to the facrication cost of making a rocket.

So their entire design philosophy is around reusability and reusability seems to push costs down low enough that you can get more payload up by simply doing more launches. While SpaceX is famous for not filing patents and instead protecting their IP using the trade secret approach and fabricating everything in-house, you can bet they'll be operating with more engineering headroom to get reliability and reusability.

Evidence for their bet having been right is the fact that they have grabbed virtually 100% of commercial and quasi-governmental launches and some part of US government launches. Other players in this space now almost entirely depend on defence contracts or national prestige contracts to survive.
> What if the human emotional state is a byproduct of human consciousness.

I have no idea what “human consciousness” is. I'm not deriding you, but I have never heard a satisfactory explanation. I kind of suspect it isn't actually real.

> What does this suggest about people that don't have kids?

There are a lot of species of wild animals that will not procreate in captivity. Take a group of these creature that is adapted to a certain environment and then place them in a completely different environment and they will for some reason lose their will to procreate even though they are physically able to do so.

I think it's the same with human beings. Technology has pushed so far and fast away from how we used to live, some of us, for whatever reason, don't procreate anymore.
IANAL, but aside from local laws, aren't there international laws or treaties that's supposed to stop countries from spying on each other's embassies?
One of the reasons I got into DevOps was because I got tired of dealing with shitty product managers. I've experienced maybe 2 good ones, ever.
Did you mean which public commission signed off on all of that?

No.

Did CPUC directly tell them to break the law? No, but CPUC approved every budget that criminally neglected maintenance.

You mean the maintenance budget that PG&E redirected to executive compensation?

So yes, our state government shares responsibility for all of it.

Well, no. If you steal a cookie from a cookie jar that's your own damn fault. If you steal a cookie from a cookie jar that's not the fault of your parents for leaving an unlocked cookie jar within reach.
> You can use Cmd/Ctrl + Z to undo the format rendering within the text box, if that helps?

This is the one that got me. Yeah thanks, I've been using text boxes since the 90s, I know how to undo.

Now we'll get to find out if _they_ know how to undo.
> You don't see a difference between inheriting ill-gotten gains from several generations back and actively looting the country yourself?

What's the difference? Why don't they return the stolen property?

> If there is no difference, I'm afraid all white land-owners in America are going to need to return their land to the natives.

Why shouldn't they? Have you heard of native title?
Hmm I am actually not experiencing either of these bugs. The backtick character works as I'd expect. I definitely prefer the pre-WYSIWYG interface that is currently loaded in my Electron client though! Markdown is the perfect level of abstraction for styling without getting in my way!
So if only 50% of the users have this, we should assume that it's only 50% done, and that by the time everyone has this thing, it will be perfect?

More seriously, while "this doesn't work right" is part of the complaint, the larger complaint is "this is fixing something that wasn't really broken." If Slack wanted to improve their editor, that'd be great, but they could have done that without losing what people liked about the old system. It's not like there's a lack of "quasi-WYSIWYG" Markdown editors out there to take cues from.
1% of the US population is something like 3 million people; let's say about 2 million adults. Do you really think that there are 2 million adults in the US who have "a higher amount of wealth than sovereign countries" and that the US should go and execute 2-3 million of its citizens?
Everyone that was using slack was clearly aware of backticks, underscores, and stars, which is really the most you need, and probably 99% of everything used.

Surrounding some text with these marks to achieve some formatting is hardly rocket science. If someone doesn’t do it it is really because they don’t want to understand.

If you however make an editor that fucks up using any of these marks? Well, that’s a big time failure.
it works for me too. I'm confused...
So Ripcord is making money on illegal thing? Discord / Slack ToS forbids third party app afaik.

Edit: Why am I being downvoted?
https://old.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/8tukek/ripcord_...
The problem is that moral outrage like this is used to justify war.

Nothing justifies war. Please remember that. War is innocent people mass murdering other innocent people.
The OP said they felt the person should be reassigned. This is hardly a call for termination. It was also accompanied by constructive points about productivity software relevant to the post at hand. I do not believe there was anything unkind in suggesting that maybe the person was in over their head.
What I don't like about it is that it takes too much vertical space for the row of icons at the bottom.

What I do like about it is that I'm forever pasting code snippets ``` code .. ``` and it saves me the time of entering the 3 backticks.
> You are perfectly free to develop apps and sell them elsewhere.

Yeah, you just lose access to a giant chunk of the market and severely limit your growth potential.

The entire industry with its millions of jobs and immeasurable value to society is two stores owned by two companies. That needs to be regulated.
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You know what largely replaced business email AND these crappy chat applications for us? GitHub issue threads. We do a very large part of our collaboration right next to the code now. Email & chat is now mostly to just asynchronously notify regarding one or more issue numbers. Managers, developers, everyone. If you want something discussed or handled, make an issue. It's got a single numeric identifier that's trivial to pass around, even to clients and end users. Labeling systems applied to issues can quickly turn a messy bucket into a well-oiled software factory. If you use GitHub, this is also a strong argument for a monorepo, as you could have 1 unique identifier for anything across the entire org scope that also links into your code contexts seamlessly.

The UX around GitHub must be incredible for non-developers, because I am watching project managers with zero engineering/coding background learn markdown syntax almost accidentally. In all of our time using GH issues as a collaboration tool, I have heard exactly ZERO complaints regarding anything being broken or unfriendly to use.

We now look back on Teams/Slack/Skype/Email usage as dark days. "How the hell did we ever get anything done?" is the usual take when one of us talks about it.
I can only assume it's been fixed then???

Perhaps this is mostly hyperbole to change. I mean, Markdown is amazing. But as stated it was only a `lite` implementation of the editor.

The new editor seems fine for me so far, though I'll gladly be proven wrong.
>Odds are (just like the author here) you know exactly why your account is suspended. If you honestly don't, then you didn't do your due diligence in signing up.

as someone who has been a victim of automated bans and account deactivation multiple times on multiple platforms, I view this statement as factually incorrect.

>Nobody's app idea is so fucking star spangled awesome as to make them above the rules.

Except, historically, any apps made by FAANG.

I'm never in defense of actions where the victim is entirely out of the loop with regards to corrections they could possibly make in order to comply with whatever rules need to be complied with.
Found myself out of work recently so I built a simple, free, no reg, file upload/transfer web app.

Hoping to compete with wetransfer etc. It’s only ad supported atm.

Free custom branded pages are in dev now. Built with Elixir.

It has basic PWA features for iOS but not yet on Android so it’s pretty easy to use on iPhone when added to home screen.
We're in agreement. I'm just saying the goal is to process events, grieve, and find a path back to "normal". Where, ideally, "normal" isn't constant anxiety and existential crises. Eventually, you have to learn to let even the most traumatic stuff go, or it'll haunt you forever.
You know what else has a terrible WYSIWYG editor? Microsoft Teams. It's kind of sort of like Markdown, except when it isn't, or when it breaks. At least it's a step up from Lync.
https://biblehub.com/judges/12-6.htm

For those that don't know.
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Cantonese. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantonese_grammar#Negations

As you can see, there's more than one way to negate something. Well it's hard for me to know if the rule is the same, given that I don't really know what the rule is in either! As per my previous comment I can tell you what sounds right, but I can't tell you why.
This attitude to their rollout reminds me of the recent rollout of Twitter's maligned new desktop UI, the new YouTube Studio Beta, and reddit's new UI.

There is almost a meme of online platform service providers not understanding their users and their workflows, and rolling out new revisions that hamper or outright remove functionality that those users rely on.

I guess the canonical example would be that one Digg redesign that nuked the whole platform, or Snapchat's redesign a year ago that stunted their growth.

Luckily, we haven't had to experience this at Hacker News thus far ;)
Barf the rainbow.
Can you describe the process? As far as I've known, up until the moment the transfer occurs, the bank can indeed reverse it if they are suspicious. But the moment the other bank accepts the transfer, it is game over, and the delivery is complete and permanent.
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(it's a throwaway alias - don't make a judgement on the name.)
>> Yes, it is really evil for a corporation to disagree with the concept of unionisation

> Corporations are made of people. [...] Deciding that anyone who disliked unionization is just evil

I only said corporations opposing unionisation are evil. I didn't say anything about people opposing unionisation. Corporations are not people. Personally I think people opposing unionisation are mostly deluded and often misinformed. I don't think they are evil however. People by themselves are rarely evil.

Corporations are owned by people and employ people. These two kinds of people have by design fundamentally different power inside the corporation. A corporation is an organisation whose purpose is to serve their owners goals (generally making money). From the point of view of the corporation, workers are merely an accessory to this goal.

Furthermore, the relationship between workers and corporation is a fundamentally asymmetric one. For the corporation, a single worker is pretty much always replaceable while for the worker the corporation is often is main source of income. Thus, without collective representation, a worker will always be at the mercy of its employer. That's why unions are so useful. They give employees a safe way to communicate with, negociate large change with and oppose their employer. Going against that for a corporation seems truly evil to me.

> it'll just create division and bitterness and create conflict where there could have been cooperation

What is workers cooperating together if not a union ? I think that's where the problem lies. From what I have seen Americans tend to have a rather narrow view of unions and remain unaware of the diversity existing in the world.

Apparently Americans tend to equal unions with mandatory membership, reserved jobs and fixed salary which is very far from the idea Europeans have of unions. In Germany for example, you will find unions with vastly different opinions and employees in a company are represented by a plurality of unions. In this context it is not too hard to find one close to what you believe in.
I had no idea it was a feature. I just thought my Slack App was acting weird and needed a reboot. Oh dear.
Happy to help.

bobbybottleservice (at) me (dot) com

(it's a throwaway alias - don't make a judgement on the name.)
According to the Slack twitter, yes (https://twitter.com/SlackHQ/status/1192199216157868037)
Is there any way that tweet could have been written that would have satisfied you, without actually agreeing to change course right away?

To me the tweet's tone says that they honestly care and don't want people to be inconvenienced, but also want to at least see if people will warm to it.

There has to be some kind of healthy balance between listening to user feedback and never changing anything.
The extreme version of listening to user feedback is: https://xkcd.com/1172/
I noticed this too. I think that as a fellow advice-giver problem-fixer, I actually welcome unsolicited advice if it's useful. That's basically why I give it - since I'd like to get it. So the friend probably realised that.
Wow just did a search, hacker news is being gamed. This is the exact type of story that should have probably launched but was buried. Uber bury?
Because teams is eating their lunch by virtue of being included in Office 365, and they misinterpret it as being due to their WYSIWYG editor?
I think (have no proof) that many people who identified as hippies got later involved with non-hallucinogenic drugs like cocaine and that made them forget about spirituality and they became yuppies.

The thing about spiritual awakening I believe is you have to do something with it, nurture it, or it fades away.

Or maybe many of the hippies got married and got children and that way became more materialistic. The spiritual way is the way of the monk. Or nun. Maybe
YES IT IS. I literally am not able to enter some things, like a `>` quote followed by a line that is NOT a quote.
I'm giving this a whirl now. I can't stand forced WYSIWYG and I know this minor annoyance is going to slowly grind on me over time.
Also see the Dash debacle:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12680131
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That's my point. It doesn't make sense, so someone else doing that seems more likely.
> there is no way to go back to plain old Markdown input

Can’t you just tap on the “Aa” icon to hide it?
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I do not have an e-mail server that has any reputation.
This was all well before my time, but I find it fascinating.

One thing I've noticed in going over the early Unix versions is that the Bell Labs people didn't care for VT100s at all and Research Unix has practically no support for video terminals. They probably didn't jump straight from the Teletype to the Blit, but their software sure did. On the other hand, BSD took full advantage of the ADM-3A from day one, and termcap/curses expanded to support each of the VT series as they were released.
It's logical from a short-sighted perspective as I'm sure it looks good to investors to have a longer checklist of features. But shipping a broken feature is eroding customer trust.
They totally messed me up. Where are my snippets?
Pulling one out automatically puts the other in transparent mode
>Anyway, the main point, what percentage of people do we think knows markdown to such an extent where it's easier for them to use than a WYSIWYG editor would be?

Well, Slack supported so little of Markdown that this is a moot point.
Why stop at 1% and not 5% or 10%?
If we lack percentages, how do you know it's a minority that dislikes this?
I've found "developers", people who work extensively with plain text and mark up languages, mostly hate WYSIWYG. Because it just gets in the way of / works differently than the skills/knowledge they already have.

I presume people who primarily work in Word/OpenOffice/Whatever Apples thing is, feel the opposite.

If your customers include both, UI is basically impossible to get right for everyone.
There is a workaround for this which works quite well. Press the down arrow 1-2 times, and you escape the quoted context.
it works for me too and I have been using this editor for a while. I don't remember seeing this kind of bug at all :/ .
>Someone else is doing this. In fact, almost everyone else is doing this - insulating themselves into silos with people that agree with them, where they can mutually reinforce their certainty that they are right, defining themselves to be "grounded in reality", and defining everyone else to be delusional idiots.

Correct, no disagreement there. Everyone else labels themselves as the one with the wisdom and others as nuts. (pot calling...)Elsewhere I used an oversimplified example to illustrate how I go about solving the problem.
( see mention of cookies : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21526198)

>What's really needed is a way for people with your degree of certainty to interact with people who think differently from you

This is off the table actually. We are talking about core principles by which people live by, that difference is nonnegotiable.

( I really have no problem if people had a technical opinion that is different form mine: eg Python versus Haskell)

>in a situation where you actually listen to each other and see to what degree the other side has some valid things to say.

Well you see I have worked long enough and have enough successes ( tiny ones though) where I do not listen to everyone. Most people do not have anything profound to say. I suspect you are confusing me with some anti-social character ( Infact I get along well with most people). Ask a self made ( rich) man if he 'listens' to most people's advise on finance, and I'm sure that the answer will be a resounding 'no'. I hope you get the point I'm trying to make.
Oh, I read psychology. Actually, it was mania at one point, but, uh, I... stopped it? And then interesting things began happening. My ability to improvise on the piano improved. My appreciation of classical music grew. The paranoia was replaced by the understanding that people usually aren’t out to get me. It wasn’t so much mania as it was my social skills turning on for the first time and it was a bit intense. I’m talking to people as I’m going through this and the feedback was concern at first, followed by keen interest in what I was saying, in the sense that people now want to talk to me more often, women actually pay attention to me and laugh at my jokes. I think if this is mania, it’s controlled mania in a way? I’m able to bring myself up and down and I stop if it goes too high. There are a couple of friends of mine who have had similar experiences and they’re smart people too, and nobody locked them up for it. I think there are people out there who can control their mind states like this and it’s a rather powerful tool. I’m positive about it. I live, think and feel. I have good days and bad days. Also, I’ve been stepping the ADHD meds down not up, and even late at night when they’re supposed to have worn off, I can still get into that state.

I guess in a way if I didn’t know breathing and relaxation techniques and didn’t know much about psych stuff, I’d be very confused and would possibly lose it, but since I know these things, and I know science, it’s a thing I can control. I’m not alone in it and I’m sharing these things with friends and while some of them don’t get it, some of them do totally get it.

I think what you should know about my story is that I was a ball of stress and fear before this happened. All my life, actually. The notion that people go through breakdowns at stages of self development isn’t exactly unheard of.

The scary thing, of course, is that it DOES break people down completely at times. It’s too much for them to handle... but when it isn’t too much to handle and you just grow from it? I’d call that self development.
At least when filled and pressurized.
It might or might not be, but that misses my point.

The issue isn't (necessarily) that Apple banned a particular account for a particular reason. The issue is that Apple (or Google) banning an account could easily render a given company (in an unrelated market segment) non-competitive overnight. That company would effectively have no recourse, and there is no alternative provider for them to switch to. I do not think that's a generally desirable state of affairs.

A reasonable analogy (in the US) would be an ISP banning a particular website. If the ISP were large enough (ex Comcast or Verizon), any web based US business banned in this manner would effectively become non-viable on the spot.

Tech companies should not be allowed to unilaterally control our economy in this manner. (This is all in addition to the existing consumer protection concerns.)
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Huh? lit-html uses standard JavaScript. That's it. JSX is a non-standard extension. So yes it is more standard than a non-standard, and lit-html runs directly in browsers without any transpilation while JSX very much doesn't.

VS Code is as able to analyze lit-html templates as well as JSX via the lit-plugin extensions. It gives you type-checking, code completion, hover-over docs, and linting.
I agree that's what it looks like. Interestingly, during fabrication, the bulkhead was attached to the ring, and then the whole ring was lifted up and welded on. Maybe there was interaction of the heat affected area from the two welds? The bulkhead was welded only ~100mm up from the bottom of the ring.
> Do you really think that there are 2 million adults in the US who have "a higher amount of wealth than sovereign countries" and that the US should go and execute 2-3 million of its citizens

Germany did in the 40s. There's a
reason this rhetoric popular with the socialists in the US sounds very familiar.