skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
>You can't claim ownership of facts, even if you discovered them first, or created them into existence.

It's not as straightforward as all that. Suppose you write a book. The existence of that book is a fact. The words that are in that book are now a fact. Now, I create a book that says, "The following book was written by DennisM, this is a list of the words that are in that book, in order" and then precede to duplicate your book. Those are the words that are in the book, it's a fact, no one can deny that it's a fact. That's not defensible, even though I'm just stating a fact.

We're in a somewhat grey area here, dealing with ethical issues that have never been clearly dealt with before. However, I feel that a general principle of the web applies: If I create some data, and don't at least implicitly give you permission to use it, it's unethical for you to use it.

This is the central idea behind copyright, behind robots.txt, behind plagiarism, and even behind privacy.
So great to see that this is running as a non-profit. I think it's an awesome initiative and looking forward to the event.
Canada still wants to "discipline the use of the Internet"
My office has a physical trainer that does a one hour interval workout twice a week. We rotate through stations constantly and each workout is different so there is no boredom, only griping.

I really should do at least one more day of excercise, but it is hard to find motivation by myself most days.

In previous years I was a medium distance runner (ran 5k and 10k races, finished around 50th percentile) which was great but hard to keep up during the winter (Chicago).
I wrote a blogpost about price elasticity a long time ago that you might find interesting:http://www.maximise.dk/blog/2009/01/getting-product-pricing-...
Soccer match once a week (indoors during the cold season)
A combination of all of the above. Learn to enjoy things that get you active, and you wont have to worry about exercise.
A colleague of mine and myself have a joint personal trainer session 3 times a week. Being a joint thing we both save some money plus its a lot more fun with the three of us there to joke around with between sets.
thanks for the kind words!
My meta-commentary was on the fact that the issue of semantics seems to serve as a all-too-convenient cognitive escape hatch in these discussions, diverting them from the harder topic at hand: that of intellectual property rights. I find it regrettable that it is employed, as it hinders being able to discuss the problem in a mature, logical fashion.
Who knows, maybe Apple could even trademark the word "app" if they followed in Facebook's footsteps: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2373258,00.asp
I had almost received my B.S. Management when I was offered a entry-level job as a Requirements Analyst at an eight-person software company. At this point I had probably written 1000 lines of code in my entire life (JavaScript/PHP, mostly copying tutorials) and had no real intention of becoming a programmer.

After four months, I had become the longest tenured employee (besides the owner, who was non-technical) after everyone else in the company quit. I had no choice but to take the role of Lead Developer on a $170,000 project. Needless to say, I learned to code ... and since then my interest in CS/SWE has snowballed to the point I enrolled in a M.S. Comp Sci program.
http://bandcamp.com does an excellent job.
Crossfit. Anyone else?
I'll let pg explain: http://fakewhale.com/tweets/69535
One obvious and very public example of how the algorithm matters more than the index size would be Cuil. It was launched with lots of hype about how it would have a index several times larger than Google's. And of course the results were notoriously bad.

I'm stunned that anyone could think that the core issue in this controversy is indexing or page discovery. It should have been totally obvious from the examples in the initial article and blog post that this was specifically about copying ranking.
is there no bookmarklet or am I just missing it?
I think you should have added "gym" as an option. I spend a lot of time on the elliptical trainer because you can balance an iPad on it while you work out - but I don't really consider that 'running' as I assume that means real running outdoors.
Climbing (indoor, almost exclusively bouldering)
There probably should be an "I don't" option. C'mon, I can't be the only person with dumbbells covered in cobwebs, right?
"Walking is the best possible exercise. Habituate yourself to walk very fast." ~ Thomas Jefferson
You have a good point about people already being motivated to do something if they're looking for an app. However, "wanting" to do something tends to be a short-term motivation as compared to the grittier, determined motivation of "doing" something. For example, in my experience with my sister when she wanted to learn foreign languages in her spare time, she started off very motivated and we got all the right resources and "tools". However, when the "honeymoon" period of motivation wears off, it becomes difficult to keep going at it until you reach that stable sweet spot called "habit".

Though I referenced "motivation" earlier for simplicity, the underlying psychological mechanics I want to build in are much more complex than motivation. I've been researching an interesting cross-disciplinary domain between psychology and technology and have learned that it IS possible to use computer or mobile devices to motivate and shape the habits of a person. For the actual implementation of that, I'm still tweaking it around, but will hopefully be able to have some experiments out by this summer or fall. Of course, I could always try the faster route and find someone else to build the app for me, but I like programming enough that I want to achieve the self-satisfaction of building the first prototype at least.

(A semi-success story. After the past 2 years of tweaking and examining our assumptions, my sister and I have successfully designed a self-sustaining system that keeps her engaged in what she wants to learn...on a 10-hour daily schedule, she's learning 3 languages, music and other subjects without supervision (she's 15). It's more rigorous than her high school curriculum but it's amazing how lighting-speed she learns when she's in this state of flow everyday. Now hopefully what I've learned from this can be applied to many other people too.)
Agreed, the headline was great.

If you like articles about pricing, I read a really good one last night: http://onstartups.com/tabid/3339/bid/37737/Secrets-Of-Freemi...

Care to share any good articles you have read recently?
A nice blog entry on the emotional level, a fond remembrance of a father who's passed away.

And yet... even as someone who knew (slightly) and liked (muchly) Jef Raskin, I find myself grinding my teeth every time Aza refers to his father as "the man who invented the Macintosh." Because, well, no, he didn't. What Raskin thought the Macintosh should be was a low-cost, non-bitmapped computer designed along the lines of his later computer, the Canon Cat. And as nifty as that computer with Forth in ROM might have been, it's not an accident that it sank like a stone in the market. In contrast, what Jobs thought the Mac should be is what we got, and frankly I think the world is much richer for Jobs' vision prevailing over Raskin's.

One of the key points about Jef Raskin was that he was creative and inventive, but could become fixated on ideas to the point of not noticing how the market had responded. An example that springs to mind was his adding special "leap" keys to the Canon Cat's keyboard and patenting the layout. Because he just knew his interface design was superior and therefore customers should (would!) adapt themselves to his way of doing things.

Perhaps more telling is the example his son chooses to close his post, where he describes the gift of a vintage safety razor: "It's the kind of clear insight for which all designers and inventors strive: beauty in turning constraints into advantages." A more detached assessment might have been, "a beautiful design from a time that is thankfully well behind us."
You're thinking of it from the perspective of a single user, in which case the chance of miscarriage is relatively small. However, if you think of it from the perspective of the entire user base, then the likelihood that someone who receives an avocado email suffered a miscarriage is close to 1.
Apologies that we don't have it yet. But wait, FF and Chrome plugins are coming next week :)
"... we thought this practice was happening for lots and lots of different queries, not simply rare queries ..."

My comment was in reference to that.
I've been doing P90x, and I love it. It's not your typical exercise from an infomercial.
Could it please be a little less vulgar and still be brilliant?
Stopped using the car and started going (almost) everywhere by foot and public transport. I probably end up walking about 1 or 2 hours per day.

The best motivation is the fact that I save money, don't have to worry about traffic, and feel more awake after walking. The physical fitness side of it doesn't concern me that much, even though I know it should.
Romeo and Juliet Literature Term Papers
The most common and the most interesting of literature term papers assigned to write is the writing of Romeo and Juliet. This type of term paper requires students to understand every nuance about the play. Only then will they be able to write the term paper well.
with those odds, why even bother?
That's not what bing is doing in this case. What bing is doing is taking information from Google, as collected by users, and presenting that information to their own users.
From the Windows Live Blog:

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_live/b/windowslive/archiv...
NEAT!
I like weight exercises with dumbbells because it's easy and cheap to get everything you need to work out at home with some adjustable dumbbells.

Swimming is great cardio, but harder to do at home without a pool :-)
It depends what type of business you are I guess:
If you want click through -> landing -> sale pretty much then Google is going to win easy.
If you want to say build up a fan page or place people on your website without exactly directly monetizing their visit straight away then Facebook has some promise. With Facebook I just don't think that buy intent will ever be there like it is when someone is searching for a product on Google.
It's a shame that this one won't hit the front page. I was really looking forward to an HN discussion on this.

Oh well, lesson learned. Next time I'll wait until things die down before I hit submit.
It's a good idea. The idea isn't new but I hope your execution gives it the push it needs to become mainstream.

On a personal note, if this does start to have success, I hope you've got plans in place for someone else to carry the workload once your baby arrives. I'd be putting those plans in place now so someone else is largely running things as you enter the final weeks. It's a cliche to say 'your life will change' - but it will change so much it would be a shame to have a new project die because you can't devote time to it in the first couple of months of your other more important project.
Good job on making the accurate, non-sensational title HN'ers ask for. I'm sure Ben could have got more attention with, "4 Hateful Things VC's do," but he didn't.
I unicycle for exercise. It is a fun sport, with about the same exertion as jogging, but low impact. It took me about three weeks of 1-2 hours a day to master the unicycle.
i recently bought a fitbit and wearing it everyday encourages me to walk more than i would otherwise. the growing flower icon on it is good positive reinforcement.

when i ride my bike long distances, i use mytracks on my android phone to track my course and speed.
If you can't hash passwords properly, you shouldn't be dealing with passwords at all. It's just damned irresponsible.

"the django overlords" "Dozens have commit access."

I suspect that's what he meant.
Building and Pricing the Data Marketplace
I've been using and publishing my one personal email address for over 10 (15?) years now, and I sign up o a ton of new web sites and notification lists. So far I've never been harassed by spam that I can't get rid of, and it takes me 10 seconds a day to scan through my Google Apps Gmail spam folder to look for false positives.

I just don't see the need personally for throwaway accounts, although I do use a few subaddresss with minuses in them for filtering.

Maybe I'm not a typical user, and I get why people think they need them, but in my actual experience, I've been doing fine without them.
hi, so, i'm a mediocre developer but if you notice at the bottom of my resume...masters league startcraft player. am i hired?
Reminds me of this: http://www.inc.com/guides/201101/guide-to-the-ABCs-of-pricin...
search behvior of toolbar users (presumably ALL search engines)

The situation is even less compelling than this. There's no evidence to suggest it's not the complete navigation behaviour of toolbar users, not just when they're on search engines.
Installed a pullup bar on the door at work!
Random point about this (my current employer is a national lab):

In 2006, the OMB issued a requirement that new DoD/DoE/USG/etc IT spend ("to the maximum extent practicable") be IPv6-capable, and tasked NIST with developing a testing framework for determining compliance:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/assets/omb...
http://management.energy.gov/documents/AttachmentFlash2010-4...

Mind you, we were also supposed to be running at least dual-stack by 2008. ;-) Anyway, as of the middle of last year, this came along:

http://www.cio.gov/Documents/IPv6MemoFINAL.pdf

Basically, we have to be IPv6-capable on external services by 2012, and be ready for it enterprise-wide (for anything that touches the Internet; offline farms, etc. are exempt) by 2014. I don't suspect many organizations are going to hit that, but that's the target, and we're taking it pretty seriously here.

Also, here's a random resource: a totally unofficial IPv6 survey:

http://www.mrp.net/IPv6_Survey.html
Side channels don't matter for bcrypt.
>Using the same reasoning we can show that the collection of positive whole numbers (all of them) is the same size as the collection of positive even numbers. We pair off each number with its double, and that gives us a one-to-one correspondence. Given that such a correspondence exists it would be perverse to claim that the collections are of different sizes. The size of each is the same "infinity", even though the objects themselves are different.

This assertion has always troubled me. I think the trouble arises out of the reality² (in a metaphysical sense) of infinities and that the standard proof ("Cantor's backslash" is the name I learnt it as I think) is I think a case of petitio principii (proves the conclusion by assuming it to be true). The proof is beautiful but just always nags me as being a little too cunning.

I'm glad you wrote this as it's pretty much my mental understanding of transfinites (all the stuff about aleph-0 and beth numbers having been largely eroded from my memory) and I've been teaching my lad about infinities based on the cardinality of the set of natural numbers - he wrote this sum on the blackboard (at home) the other day:

∞+8 = ∞

and followed by crowning it with a picture of a number 8 turned in to a person wearing a hat.

tl;dr glad for confirmation as my young son is just grasping some of these results (though I don't imagine he's understanding the reason) and I hate to think I'm teaching him falsely¹.

---

² - like infinite coastlines in fractal geometry, the quantum limits of the real world hang there and tell me it's not consistent to maintain this mathematical model as useful given it's unreality.

¹ - yes I'm probably screwing up his learning basic arithmetic.
My answer: by moving my body, for free, in various kinds of open volumes of space, whenever I make time for it. Which is how pretty much everybody should be doing it. Not hard, not complex, not expensive, and exactly as time consuming as you'd like it to be.
I've only ticked 'weights', but I also run and climb as I can fit it in, and really want to take up brazilian jujitsu again once I'm back stateside.
Running [to catch buses], walking [because I missed the bus], and stair-running [to get to my next class]. Not sure if the yoga required to sit in the lecture hall seats counts.
I play soccer twice a week :)
I do bboying. I love to dance. used to do it 3 hours a day, 5 days a week for a few years. these days i only have time for a couple hours a day, 2 or 3 times a week. Planning to up it back to about 4 days/week.
love my elliptical
+1. Most efficient program I've ever seen. We have lots of lawyers and finance people in my gym so it draws people with little time and a tolerance for abuse (which should make it perfect for startup people).
Do you think the same would hold true for an annual pricing model? For example, moving from $999/year to $1,000 or $1,200 per year.
Too Lazy Or Busy To Read? Topicmarks Summarizes Long Texts For You
No exercise. How many don't?
Absolutely a new standard is needed. This is the first time any major player has suggested that data from a users clickstream should be covered by robots.txt or anything like it.

The comparison to a web directory is perfect - in the absence of a robots.txt Google and other crawlers think the data is absolutely fair game. There isn't yet a corresponding analogy for clickstream data so its fair game. Are you sure all of Google's tools respect robots.txt for passive analysis of user initiated actions on other websites?
Thanks for the suggestion.. I added a few more DNS-related checks. I think I have the tests/logic right but please let me know if you spot any errors.
To add to this, consider how the Big Picture does it, probably "suited" to a gallery but it's all in one big page.
In one of my landing pages for a product, I showed a Starbucks cup with its price. And next to it I showed my service's price--less than the price of one visit to Starbucks.

I had a similar idea: help people establish a frame of reference. Alas, I got too busy to actually go live with it.
what sort.. does this really work?
Doesn't seem overly cardio to me...
There was an interesting HN story a week ago that covered A/B price testing.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2143554
I suddenly feel so old at 36

:-O
LEAKED: Every single Ron Conway investment since 2005
Really, -1? When I asked a question and prefaced it with a huge disclaimer stating that I might not understand the full implications of how Bing is using their toolbar metrics?

I just don't understand how Bing can claim they were using toolbar metrics when it seems highly unlikely that any user would be searching for these keywords. Let alone on Google, when they have the Bing toolbar installed.

But really, thanks for the anonymous downvotes.
I personally know people who are passionate for construction work.

I asked a construction worker straight up - if you won a billion dollars, what would you do?

He said he'd go on vacation for a few months and then probably come back to the job site because he loves the culture and the work. He enjoys his job.

This is not unusual. Nerds can't imagine that some people enjoy being janitors, but they exist.

It would not be the end of the world if the only construction workers were the passionate ones. I think the world would be just fine - in fact, I think it would be better. I think we'd have higher quality construction work and a happier society.
Shocked that silentbicycle hasn't mentioned it already, but Arthur Whitney whipped up the first prototype/inspiration for the J language in a short bit of macro heavy C over the course of an afternoon.

42 lines?

http://pastebin.com/s2usuqDq

If this interests you at all, absolutely worth reading Roger Hui's retrospective on the subject (more about J + Ken Iverson, but definitely fascinating) http://keiapl.org/rhui/
It's a t-shirt not a startup. Given how much free or cheap infrastructural stuff is out there, and with services like web-based custom t-shirt printing services and PayPal, it's pretty easy and fast to do what he did. And it's not like he hand-made the shirt, mainly the logo image and even that is just a few words of text. I applaud him for seeing a money making opportunity and executing on it, but at the same time it's bad form to call this a startup. At most it's a dirt simple website and t-shirt, with a little glue and polish.
Nice, I love jQuery because it made DOM manipulation a breeze by abstracting everything. But I am getting the feel that jQuery Mobile assumes "what" it is that developers are creating, making it less abstracted and more narrow minded (for instance, that we all want right to left iPod style page navigation). Or perhaps not, I could just be wrong.
Disqus, yo.
Just putting the link on your blog doesn't establish the connection between the keywords and the link. If you put both the keywords and the link on your blog then it allows Google to independently establish that connection using the merits of their own algorithms.

The "incrimminating" part here is that Microsoft appears to be intentionally parsing the keywords out of the search. Which means they are intentionally looking at a click and saying a) this is a google search and here are the terms used and then b) this is a result that Google returned, and they are then using that to fill their own index. If they generically parsed the URL for terms then you might argue they are not giving Google special treatment, they are just doing this for every page the user goes to. However that's a bit hard to buy - if they really did that they would end up with all kinds of garbage associations from opaque URLs. So they must have a signal saying "this was a google search, treat it better than the others". Or they are somewhere in between the two. It's not clear to me where they fall on this scale - it's generally murky. At worst, I'd say they are copying, at best, I'd say it's sneaky but clever and fair game. The minute they single out Google and say "hey, this must be a good result" I think they crossed a line.
> It's just damned irresponsible.

Since you feel that strongly I can expect to see a patch from you fixing the technical issues I mentioned, right? You write it, I'll commit it. Go.
same. I did the 90 days last year, and after that just went down to the chest/shoulders, plyo, and back/biceps days from the second phase for maintenance.

works great if you maintain a healthy diet, and you only waste an hour or so three-four times a week.
Actually, it is as straightforward as all that. What's alleged is that someone searches for DenisM's book on Google, and when they click on one of the results, just that piece of data is forwarded to Microsoft. Not a scraping of all of Google's search results and nothing like the contents of the book.

As to "the central idea of copyright", bear in mind that in addition to not being able to copyright ideas or data, there's also the notion of "fair use".
I think you can make the argument that in order to have a "free market" of ideas (when it comes to building the best search engine) you shouldn't cannibalize the ideas of your competitor. If Bing's signal consisted of some generic method for mining clickstream data that just happened to pick up on clicks originating from Google, then this wouldn't be a problem. The fact that they're deliberately deconstructing Google URLs (per the Microsoft research paper that Matt cites) makes this questionable.
Thanks for the link, tried it on my Nexus One and it looks great, it's very smooth!

(To clarify, all the processing "feels" smooth, not just the slidy bits, maybe responsive was a better word)
I had a friend quit training with us for a couple months and he can no longer keep up. I lost at least 10lbs in the first six months of training.
If you write a book that use some extracts of another book, you have copied those extract. Even if there is some other content in your book