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> "The former are the people you want to work with, and are super valuable."

Some of the former you want to work with. A technical founder has something obvious they're bringing to the table - i.e., the ability to implement the systems that will enable the idea. What a non-technical guy brings to the table, if anything, is more complex.

Does he have insider knowledge or networks in the field you're breaking into? Does he have some skillset (say, SEO, real marketing prowess, etc) that will concretely help the business launch?

Having an idea is fine. Having the hustle and enthusiasm to carry the idea is fine. The problem here is that, even when you exclude the blowhards, there are a lot of non-technical people who have the motivation and enthusiasm - but honestly simply don't bring much of value to the table. Not sufficient to warrant co-founder equity anyways.
Your car will definitely be losing value in the future. A better analogy is that you might ask your friend the electrician to help you out with a house you're fixing up and getting ready to flip, with the promise that you would pay his bill after the sale. Plus maybe a bonus.

I think there's a lot of value involved in being able to convince people to contribute some level of effort for equity. If intelligent people see enough in your idea to jump in your boat, that might mean something about the value of your idea. The converse is also true: if you can't convince anyone to contribute anything of value to your effort in exchange for equity, maybe you don't have a compelling idea.

A real entrepreneur doesn't expect coders to work for free. He or she is that pitching a compelling vision that involves a coder adding value to something that the programmer co-owns, not simply giving away free time.
Yes. I lived for a couple years off the proceeds of licensing the source code to one of my sites.

If you run a cool service that has no hope of making you money directly, it's worth considering offering the source to big companies that might want to white label it or use it internally.
This article is actually about Verizon selling a lot of iPhones, and says absolutely nothing about Android. The headline given here is the worst sort of editorializing, which goes against the submission guidelines. "You can make up a new title if you want, but if you put gratuitous editorial spin on it, the editors may rewrite it."

http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Actually, I've pursued "alternative" medicine for treating my (very deadly) medical condition and gotten much better results than "modern" medicine can promise. I have a form of cystic fibrosis, as does my 23 year old son. I have gotten off 8 or 9 prescription drugs. I have not been on antibiotics for about 7 years. I have been drug free for about 18 months. My son has not been on antibiotics in nearly 13 years. He has been drug free for about 4 years. Ten years ago, I was bedridden for 3 1/2 months and spent a year at death's door. Doctor's told me "People like you don't get well. Symptom management is the name of the game." I currently live without a car, thus walk a lot, and have a full-time job. The hole in my lung has closed and my symptoms have basically all disappeared or greatly improved.

Modern medicine has it's good points. But a lot of other traditions also have value. I think it is unproductive and a straw-man argument to pit them against each other. I don't see why we can't take from both and build something better than either.

I've been trying to stay out of the comments in this thread about medicine because I'm basically one lone "nutcase" who is dismissed by most folks in the CF community. So you can either believe I am telling the truth or not. I really don't have a leg to stand on if you choose to think I am making up tall tales, as many people think.

(And I hope you will take my post as a compliment, as a statement that you seem like a reasonable person who might listen, rather than as "argumentative" or attacking.)

Peace.
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> The truth, in both theory and practice, is that there is no pure, fair sharing of technology. It always, in nearly every single situation throughout world history, has ended in blood, subjugation, and/or slavery. And, it likely always will.

However this always happened between social apes. E.T. aliens probably would be completely different from us (see "Ender's game" for instance) and may very well act in different ways and follow different motivations. So we don't know, really.
That is just one motive, which id agree would be rare its more likely someone with access would play with the figures for financial gain.

"Investigators are considering a range of possible motives, including unlawful financial gain, theft of trade secrets and a" terrorist.
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They might not be trade UK secrets, but I would think again if I was Britain. What could Obama be thinking? Sure we want to help save a few lives. Lets just tell Russia (which is controlled by many a totalitarian heads of state) what a DEMOCRACY has for secrets.

I didn't mean to be political. But to me this touches on the HN culture because if it was one business giving away another business's trade secrets, it would be illegal. I only question, why isn't it here. Why isn't the UN doing something about this?
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If you're using other server-side languages I'm sure a search engine query or two will return decent results... don't go straight for the first one though. Check a few out and see what suits you best.

I will say though that PHPExcel has never failed me.

And I just noticed the version I'm using is out of date too... thanks! Gonna [try to] get it up to date now. :)
Wow! I feel my stance on this has just been dramatically confirmed. Some years ago, I wrote a rant ( http://everything2.com/title/Facebook+destroys+real+relation... ) for the purpose of having a fixed thing to send people who would ask me why I'm not on Facebook. I got tired of explaining it over and over, so I wrote this. I got both positive and negative responses to it, and they fit a very definite pattern. The positive responses were always short and in the line of "this is exactly how I feel about this, glad I'm not alone". The negative responses were variations of "you've never tried it, so you can't possibly know what it's like", with optional "take your uninformed opinion elsewhere".

Now, Steve, as someone who has actually used the site for a nontrivial amount of time, writes a post bringing up mostly the same points. That feels nice.
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Terrible analogy, especially when there exists a better one within the food service industry. How about rewriting that article from the perspective of a coffee shop?

We've all been to the neighborhood coffee place where the girl will take your order, turn around and make your entire drink, hand it to you and ask for payment. We've all stood in that line.

We've also all been to Starbucks, where the girl takes your order, writes it on a cup, takes your money, then moves on to the next customer. And by the time you walk to the other end of the counter the guy in front of you already has coffee in his hand.

It still doesn't fit web servers exactly, but at least it fits the real world.
There are several ways to anthropophagy, endogamous (eating your ancestors) and exogamous (eating your enemies). Most cannibals tribes are of the first kind, until some external pressure brings them to eat their enemies :
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- extreme scarcity of proteins source and population growth may be the cause of cannibalism in Papua.

In any case, as Montaigne famously said more than 400 years ago, they would find our way of treating our dead relatives (or enemies) incredibly cruel and barbaric, letting them rot in the ground instead of giving them the proper grave their souls call for in our own bodies?
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When did tickets get cheaper all of a sudden... Last time I checked, Seattle to Lebanon was $2k round trip for the cheapest I could find. Now it's about $1k-$1300 (which is what I paid in taxes last year). (And Seattle to London right now is only $700-ish.) Both are too expensive for me right now, but you're right, they're not that expensive considering it's a trip rather than an ice cream cone. When I lived in Utah a few years ago, I drove up to Vancouver, Canada and spent 10 days in the cheapest Vancouver hotel I could find with wifi and between that and gas alone probably spent at least $700. If you stay in a Hostel they're about $20-$30 a night which can cut costs there, and it seems like anywhere big that's not-the-US has good public transportation.
Not again... This must have been posted a gazillion times before.. It's very nice yes.
"Do you want to be on the side of eminent intelligentsia...or on the other?"

That's a false dilemma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma) if I've ever heard one. It might serve a point to demonstrate the correlation between intelligence and religion, but what point does it serve to draw a line and call everyone on the other side stupid?
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> Bla bla bla, arguing about usefulness, alternatives, what can be improved and so forth.

What do you do when the only response is "use the alternatives" and they just plain don't work the same way?
As a former strategy consultant who decided not to go the MBA route because it's bullshit, I want to point out there are plenty of people who end up in these top MBA programs after working a few years in consulting or banking.

The family net worth does not come into the equation at all for most.

One of my former coworkers was an Indian guy who used to be homeless as a kid. Can't get much more NOT coming from money than that.
code code code -> maintain your branch.

Or if this happens too often and you are truly convinced that this should not be the case:

code code code -> open a mailing list -> fork the project.

if you are right the original developers will eventually merge everything and there will be again a sigle project handled in a bit less dictatorial way.
I see the word "idea" in your post a lot - and I think that's missing the point by a wide margin. The world is full of good ideas, the real shortage is people capable of making them happen.

Intelligent people avoid non-technical (or even technical, honestly) people who pitch their New Great Idea because 99% of the world has great ideas and zero ability to pull it off. What people are judging you on is not the quality of your idea, so much as your ability and skills to do it.

If you're failing to gain traction with the people you're trying to sign on, maybe your idea is sound, but people simply do not see you as bringing something valuable enough to the table to make it a success.

Whenever I get approached by a non-technical founder about their New Big Thing, my immediate question, bluntly, is: What do you bring to the table?

If you don't have a good, concrete, specific answer (instead of hand-wavy things like "I'm good at marketing"), do not be surprised when competent technical people roll their eyes and wander off.
Quite a few netbooks come (or came: the average spec may have increased since I bought mine two years ago) with a little 3-cell battery: some Acer models like my AA1 and some Dells like a friends Mini9, to name two.

Nice and light, but you only get about 2-to-2-ana-half hours (three if you are careful with screen brightness and turn wireless off). I have a chunky after-market battery that lives in the Acer giving ~7 hours active use with everything turned on, but sometimes chuck the little one back in for the size/weight convenience.
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Take my pants off? Why would I be wearing them in the first place..It's a release right?
So how about Japan for example? Do you think contact with the west was bad for them?
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Hey, you are doubly wrong, congratulations! The Daily is not an Apple offering and Gruber is often critical of Apple offerings.
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I think it's very valuable to have a discussion thread interleaved with patches that get better with more and more feedback (that's what github's pull requests look like to me).

I understand what you mean about the majority of mailing list discussions not starting with a patch though. On github, it would be nice if you could attach a pull request to an existing issue (last time I tried this it didn't work).

Perhaps "pull request" is a bit of a misnomer? Technically speaking it's correct, but if the idea was more that you can interleave patches with a discussion, maybe it wouldn't seem so unpalatable to your way of working. If the discussion doesn't end up merged into "master", just close the issue in question as "wontfix" or similar.
Apparently there will be parties all over the world after: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartySqueeze

Pants optional? :)
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Doesn’t look like it is. I can’t download it in the German App Store.

(This is so stupid. I certainly don’t want to buy The Daily but it’s not the only offender in this regard. I would assume that making The Daily available in every App Store in existence is a matter of clicking a checkbox or something like that. What’s stopping them? Are there legal issues?)
The Daily is actually all images on no text (like quite a few other magazines on the iPad). This is so incredibly stupid and such a horrible step backwards. It balloons the file size (that’s probably one of the major contributing factors to the long wait time), it introduces ugly artifacts (they seem to be using JPG), it doesn’t allow the user to copy or search text and it’s an absolute abomination when it comes to accessibility. iOS has a great built-in screenreader and it just doesn’t work with The Daily. All that for something that’s not even that beautiful.

We desperately need better HTML5 authoring tools, something like InDesign. It would be so nice if The Daily were using Webkit.
Oh hey, they finally let you comment on a line in the overall diff. Thanks guys!
I think they sent out a press release asking him to change his stage name to "79 Cent" to jokingly promote their new discount menu and it got picked up by some newspapers.
what is the gain in splitting the conversation about a project between mailing list and github pull requests? Indeed pull requests are often cathedral in the desert, often without a single comment. To centralize the discussion in the mailing list makes a lot more sense IMHO, and exposes it to a much wider audience.
The most important things are often very banal. Most people don't like to be banal, they like to be fancy. So they end up ignoring the most important things (both in business and their private life).

Maybe this is why Jakob Nielsen is so hated: he allows himself to be banal, he allows his web-design to be banal, he allows his conclusions and suggestions to be banal.
that's why in the new model I propose you don't attach patches, but links to github topic branches.

Github is a great tool used this way.

For instance instead of polluting the thread about the design with a stupid thing about: "you could also check this other syscall" that's better served by an inline github comment.
I'm not sure that this is really going to work very well. A better approach might be a bounty system. Another approach might be a method by which you can buy support for specific code bases, but this may not scale well and suffer from the same problems as "open core".
I didn't know VoltDB was open source, actually. Cool!

Is the database really entirely in-memory, though?
I don't think slaves is the best comparison here, their way of life was artificial and forced on them and there was an unbalance of power. My point was that terms like happiness, and quality of life is hard to find any absolute definitions for. It's highly subjective and ones view of it is very likely colored by the culture a person identifies with. These people do most likely posess expert knowledge of their forrest, hypothetically there is nothing that is preventing them from leaving, or seeking out the unknown. This is not a quality that is unique to the europeans who colonised the world.
How to fund software development, without the problems of proprietaryness or antifeatures, is the perpetual quandary of our time.

A possible method might be what I'd call "code shares". Here the author of some code might receive payment for support in the traditional manner, but because the authors resources are limited they might issue a number of shares, perhaps corresponding to lengths of time. Like other kinds of shares these would have a valuation, and customers could buy or sell shares amongst themselves. Each share is basically an entitlement to a certain amount of support for the given code base. Cryptographic methods could be used ensure that shares are unique.
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At least, pull-requests should be also advertised on the project's mailing-list so that conversation can be kept central.
Andrew, something less obvious..contact techCrunch since they now work for aol as they would have the right contacts and it would make a nice TC article that has actually interesting content.
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Here is another way of looking at it: If you compare the way of living in the United States today to the way of living in the United States at any other point in time, do you think that you would be able to roughly order those ways of living from superior to inferior?

If you think that’s possible, wouldn’t it be very weird indeed if you couldn’t similarly order geographically separated cultures?
When you submit a pull request, github sends an email to the addresses you have on record. All that would be required for your suggestion would be to add the project's mailing-list to the list of emails on the account. Though emails would be sent for every other project on your account also.
you're comparing different things, or do you think that a highly advanced CIVILIZATION like the japanese encountering the west is similar to a TRIBE of HUNTERS-GATHERERS.... damn!
The problem with this is in turn that perhaps the pull requester is not subscribed at all in the ML...
They are not hackers. They are crackers.

Real hackers hang out on HN!

/edit: what's with the downvotes? wasn't it stated multiple times that the people who break into computer systems are not to be called "hackers" but "crackers"?
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We shouldn't impose anything on them, but why not make contact?

Offer them our technology and let them decide whether they want to use it.

I wouldn't want to be treated like a primitive animal in a zoo incapable of making their own choices by a technologically superior way of life.
On the other hand, lots of small projects don't have mailing lists, and might not want them. The enhanced pull request feature allows a smaller community to have a good discussion about a new feature, without having to maintain a mailing list.

I think the real solution here is for Github to add a feature where pull request notifications can be sent to arbitrary email adresses (though you can probably hack around this today). This way, if the project does have a mailing list, and prefers to discuss pull requests there, then the mailing list is not out of the loop.
The arguments expressed in article actually defeat itself (article is self-contradictory)...

1) Getting attached to wireframes (or any other design concept) would be detrimental (OK... let's agree)

2) Wireframes are ugly (Well... that's actually good, so you wouldn't get attached to them?)

3) It would be better to start designing and coding on the target environment right away...

Well wait a minute, don't you get that by doing (3), you will get attached to your first iteration design, and will not realize when it's time to throw it away, and reset/pivot with a new approach?
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I suspect you are baiting us but I'll bite.

> Our way of life is better.

I think you are making a massive assumption. What do you know about their life?

How do you know they don't love the forest as if it is their own mother and father?

Do you really think that they haven't seen their world destroyed around them, by us, and fear that their world is hanging on by a thread?

Do you really think that if they wanted to be part of our world, they wouldn't come out of the forest; even out of simple curiosity?

I think raganwald is spot on.
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That's a good point. For small projects probably pull requests are providing a way to provide a patch that is much better than using private emails and so forth.
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But replies from the mailing-list are not integrated into the pull-request comments, so it's not a 1<=>1 integration.
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I was reading this 10 minutes ago :)

The best bug reports are pull requests:

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The governance technology used by a society has a huge impact on productivity and power structures.

Moving a worker from Congo to the USA yields much more productivity gains than giving an American high school student a university education.
Sweat the small stuff. Every company should have Chief Detail Officer.
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Hmmm, well it is simple, clean, and much more intuitive than Google Reader, but still not exactly what I had in mind. My search continues.