skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Never underestimate the ability of a human being to rationalize.

If I was in the Microsoft camp, I'm sure I would also be grasping at straws to explain why it's totally fine for Bing to use Google's search results. It's human nature to rationalize.

The bottom line is that Bing's index contains associations that it could never have figured out if Google hadn't figured them out first. How many there are, we cannot know. There's no way around the fact that Bing is piggybacking on the work of Google's search engineers.

Is it "good for the customer?" In the short term, it's good for the customer if they can buy $1 bootlegged DVDs. In the long term, it's bad for the consumer if the money goes to bootleggers instead of the people who are doing the actual work.

Think I'm exaggerating the effect of just "1 out of 1000 signals?" This argument would be extremely easy to refute. Stop using Google's results. If it really isn't that significant, then why should it be a problem to stop using it? Just turn it off and let everyone observe that the quality is 99.9% as good as it used to be, and avoid any accusation of copying.

By refusing to turn it off, Microsoft makes it clear that it is an important part of their index, and that they have no qualms about having an important part of their index ripped off wholesale from their biggest competitor. Maybe it's a smart business move. But if that's the case, spare us the outrage about being called "copyists."
> never mind that Bing only used its toolbar as a url discovery device

That is obviously untrue, and shows that the author does not understand the issue even superficially. The Google experiment showed that Bing was associating urls to search terms for no reason other than that Google had done so. You know, like making a search for mbzrxpgjys return rim.com, a URL which we can safely assume Bing was already quite aware of.
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Good to know! I will keep this in mind.
It's possible the author may have intended that:
.1 since search results are only accessed through a search action, and not links in the wild
.2 since even if links in the wild are followed the google bot should have respected the disallow /search rule (which may have no standard, but google usually respect the format used in that robots.txt, and results are in both cases as of this writing)
3. therefore, they got to know such pages by using clickstream data

But I'm just guessing.
We only have Firefox data there right now, but the backend that receives test results is a simple HTTP POST so it'd be easy to start publishing results there (the front-end just queries the list of tests, so it'd show these in the "add data" dialog automatically).

Also, arewefastyet.com only tracks JS engine performance, so for the full set of tests we'd need to instrument the other browsers (and make sure it was done in a way which is fair and equitable), so that might take some doing. It's a good idea though, I'll see what we can get going in short order.

arewefastyet.com was a one-off put together by the JS team for their own use, it just ended up being very popular so we're trying to absorb ideas from it into the existing test infrastructure.

Also, thanks for the pypy link - looks very nice, will check it out further.
Like this - http://waynechang.com/2010/09/15/patrons-formula-for-buildin...
The only issue I had with ControlMaster, IIRC, was that when I killed the original connection, it would take everything else down with it.

There's a good chance I was just doing it wrong™ though.
Most of the people who die from drugs are either abusing the drugs or taking drugs that are necessary to keep them alive. Chemotherapy kills a lot of people, simply because the whole purpose of it is to kill a tumor with poisons. Does that mean that chemo should be banned? Of course not, because people who take chemo drugs are probably going to die if nothing is done.

Likewise, opiates kill a lot of people. But how many people would forgo life-saving surgery because of the pain they would have to live with after the surgery if effective painkillers were illegal? My guess is a lot more than the number of people who are killed by opiates directly.

The duty of the FDA is to make sure that drugs are safe and effective. If they're overpermissive, more people will die of drugs themselves. If they're too restrictive, people won't get the medicine they need to stay alive. It's a tricky balance to strike, and I think the FDA is doing a reasonably good job.
Can you point to a specific message?
Also, perf-o-matic is of course open source as well ;)
https://github.com/rhelmer/graphs
Right, that's a great example. Do that, but manage to pair people off a bit. Not a "date" of course; just happens to be a person of the opposite gender that some mix of automatic and hand-picked shuffling thought you'd find interesting.
Offer HN: I'll help you become a hacker
I want to help people make things, and I want to become a better hacker, teacher, and writer. Teaching people to become hackers over email kills all three birds with one stone. :)

So if you are a non-technical HNewser who wants to start hacking, I want to help you. The idea is that we'll figure out what you want to learn, then three times a week we'll correspond via email. And over time, you'll learn technical skills -- and more importantly, I'll help you learn how to learn technical skills.

What to expect from me:

- Help choosing learning materials
- Answers to your questions.
- Help coming up with projects (homework!)
- Comments on the work you do
- Commitment for 30 days, then we'll reevaluate

Here are things I can help you with.

Server side:
- PHP
- Ruby on Rails,
- MySQL,
- Apache administration

Client side:
- HTML
- CSS
- JavaScript ( jQuery optional )
- Design
- Usability

Basics:
- Setting up your computer ( Linux / Mac / Windows ) for development
- Git version control
- Unit testing

Sign up here: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dEJVOGRCQ2tvY1FmUUVBRFUwQWxpcWc6MQ
I'd love a 'coupon' to register for this site. This would be the perfect test bed for hosted node.js tools.
By that standard, Google should also quit trying to integrate invite-your-fb-friends feature, right? Cuz it's essentially facebook who has figured out how to get massive user signups with their real data and it's google trying to leech.

Instead of not trying to integrate fb, Google is accusing fb of not opening up the data. So when it's convenient, you want data opened up. When it's not convenient, you scream "copycat!".
Because by incorporating clickstream data from Google, they're effectively copying Google search results. Bing should blacklist Google from its clickstream data.
The behavior I've seen is that when you log out, the process doesn't end until all other clients to the connection have exited. I've observed what you describe if I then ^C it.

The way I usually do it is by opening something over TRAMP before opening any other ssh windows. That way, Emacs will handle the connection maintenance and I don't really need to see that it's up. If it dies, I just try saving something and it'll re-establish the connection.

If you don't use Emacs, you can always just start a dummy connection first and minimize/disown it.
the author does not understand the issue even superficially.

That, in a nutshell, is it. I don't know why we're spending so much time on this post, as the author has no idea about how search engines work, and what is robots.txt . If he had just looked at Bing's robots.txt and the URLs in Google's results, he would have seen that each and every one of them passed robots.txt . Since he site-restricted the search to ".bing.com", naturally you _will_ get only Bing results!
This is awesome. Do you remember any of the causes of high defect indicators? And why wouldn't you recommend it? Too much work?

I made a thing that takes a screenshot every ten seconds while I work and another thing that sticks them in a window with a slider so I can look at them in sequence.

Just yesterday I noticed that I had been daydreaming a lot lately. So I made something that would go through the sequence of screenshots and compare each image with its previous one and count every instance where the two images were the same (or almost the same). That gave me a pretty good indicator of how much time I spent daydreaming. If the numbers are right, then when I'm working on something boring I spend as much as 40% of my time not actively typing or anything -- just thinking about random shit. I'm thinking I'll try mindfulness meditation for a while and see if that cuts down on the daydreaming at all. We'll see how it goes...
Agreed.

There is a company that creates something new, like the "ipad" or the "iphone" and every competitor starts insulting their users but when it becomes a success, they copy it!!; Like the xoom, so you are insulting yourself.

Apple success is seen as magic or as a religion cult or whatever because they don't understand what Apple does. If they realized it they could learn and compete, but no, they want to give excuses to their selves.

Human psychology works in a very simple way, you can't learn from someone you despise. Companies that see what works and despise it as "luck",or a "cult" are doomed to fail, being eternal followers.

Apple people care about design,and of course aesthetics and functionality,and the more important thing, they have guts to risk with new products. I would love other companies caring the same but nobody else do.

BTW, the ad is stupid, having Motorola give me lessons about freedom when all of their phones I had were about control by the carriers is no good. They only could give you freedom because they are in desperate state.
So, for the idf component, what is the corpus of other documents you're comparing the input text against?
The key is in the name: agent-forwarding. ssh doesn't pass the key itself through to onward connections, it passes a connection to your local ssh-agent instead.

ssh (the command) can access the material in your private keys in one of two ways, either by direct file access itself (in which case it will always ask you for a passphrase if there is one protecting the key in question), or else via an intermediating ssh-agent process. Roughly speaking, ssh does something like the following when looking for key material:

if private key file exists and has no passphrase on it
use it directly (and implicitly do not forward the agent)
else if ssh-agent is running
ask the agent for the key (and forward the agent)
else
ask the user for a passphrase ourselves (and implicitly do not forward the agent)
end

The end result of all this is that if you have an unprotected key, ssh doesn't talk to your local agent at all, and so obviously can't forward it.
I believe you miss the point of the analogy.

The analogy is not about people selling services to the gold diggers, it's about selling tools to the gold diggers.

The services market would be akin to the people who sell food to the miners.
I can not agree more with your second paragraph.

Yes, Bing toolbar just rely on people clicking links. But without Google doing all the hardwork here, users will never know about such link, that's why they went to Google. And there will not be any of such link to feed to Bing's system.
Motivation...a great video about it
I wrote a parser and lexer by hand. Building the mental abstractions to figure out how a syntax tree should be constructed and walked was amazing.
It gave me the tools to visualize how code is structured, how to avoid poorly structured code, and how program flow actually works.

The first revision took me around 6 months to implement, and the second about 3 days. Worth every moment of futzing around and hacking and designing.

The language is getting rewritten (this time with an actual grammar!), and I'm finding it still has a mountain of useful things to teach me about programming.
I can't recommend it enough. :)
I'm a big fan of www.logotournament.com
Nope, not giving you my Netflix password at least until I know exactly how this works and whether it's worth the risk. A demo, a video, a description, something.
I'm so glad I hopped in and read this one.
I have had very similar experiences with quick mini brands so reading your story was so cool to relate to your process.

Excellent work loren!
Disclaimer: I'm not an expert in these areas, I'm just a regular hacker. You won't become a Rails ninja-rockstar-guru under my tutelage, for example. What you'll hopefully become is a confident beginner who has knows how to learn. Like the old saying:

"Teach a person to hack and they'll hack. Teach a person to learn to hack and they'll gradually become a ninja-rockstar-guru over the rest of their life."
Only on a relative scale. On an absolute scale, it means that month of work was a big negative.
There is also a long and documented history of people dying from preventable diseases. A history that, for many diseases, abruptly ended when governments began mandating vaccines.

Perhaps the threat of the government somehow secretly administering mind control drugs or whatever into everyone's vaccines is a little less likely than dying of polio if we stopped taking vaccines.
I hope to read your marketing and results post soon!
Google was freely sharing contact data with Facebook, so there's no hypocrisy here. Contact data is not the same as a search engine.
Not necessarily. It is possible that Google incorporates clickstream data too.

The problem that Google's little experiment highlighted was: given the utter lack of any other signal, Bing uses the fact that that URL was ranked #1 by Google's search engine and clicked on by a user.

Having said that: had I been doing this experiment at Google, I would have also added the following variations:

- for some search terms, rank the honeypot URL #1 but don't click on it

- for some search terms, rank the honeypot URL #1 on some _other_ search engine's list and click on it. How can they do that? There are search engines out there which use Google in the backend.

Experiment #1 would have shown more blatant copying. Experiment #2 would have shown whether it's just Google, or any other search engine.
Think I would have chosen a better word to use than 'penetrated' in the story title. Not the best choice in my opinion. Just doesn't flow or sound good to say at all.
Let's say tomorrow DDG is the search engine with the largest market share. Then Bing would be getting all the clickstream data from DDG. I hope you do realize that this "algorithm" is not Google specific. Its just a novel ranking technique that incorporates a human user feedback loop and is a pretty well known technique in the information retrieval field.
I don't see how this as insulting to Apple users (and I own a Mac, iPhone and iPad). The allusion to 1984 is one of people having no choice. Just as people had no choice but to follow Big Brother or people had no choice but to use a DOS based system in the year 1984. So the point of the ad is to say there is now an alternative.
do a the worst date contest. But give the money to a charity. Choose 3 worthy charities - something couple oriented.

Then get radio shows involved. Radio shows need new material everyday. Everyday do a mini contest with no prizes for different topics:

1. worst place to meet
2. worst pickup line
3. worst foobar
4. worst dressup
etc.

do this every week before the contest ends.

make sure to get the nonprofits involved. Feature a nonprofit each week. Always make a story about how a specific person would specifically benefit from the charity.

Felix Denis in his book mentions selling beer on the island, donating a portion of the profits to the women and orphan fund.

Holding a contest for the winning cap. He describes in detail here: http://books.google.com/books?id=meKL68N5esEC&pg=PA261&#...
That sounds about right.

Good tip about TRAMP, although I tend to exit out of my emacs sessions frequently. For my long running ssh tunnels, I just screen them.
And there's the thing: not all patches are the same.

It's not even so much the size of the patch, but rather how much it gets into the design, I think. If someone sends a largish bugfix patch that doesn't touch design then that seems ok to me. Even if you don't like the actual patch, you'll probably do your own similar (but correct) patch.

But sending even a smallish patch that messes with design would have been better with discussion first. Even small tweaks to architecture, API/ABI, UX, etc. need careful consideration.
Hmm, I'm not sure you RTFA. He didn't search for the term "bing", he searched for the term "site:.bing.com/search". So it IS kinda a big deal that they're disrespecting the robots.txt and listing those pages anyway.

I have also seen Google listing one of my domains for which I specifically disallowed all spiders (Bing doesn't show those domains FYI). My feeble attempt at separating my personal and professional personas was defeated by frigging Google's blatant disregard for Internet etiquette.

Since I'm trying to be anon here, I won't be able to list the search term. Sorry.
There's no disagreement on this point; you've changed the subject.

I was taking issue with your characterization that non-technical entrepreneurs are trying to get people to work for free. I think that's an unhelpful way to look at things.

People are not working for free at a startup, they're building equity and increasing the value of the overall enterprise. Except for the case where the original person is actually sleeping or playing golf all day, I don't see how you can seriously propose that some people are genuinely trying to pitch an opportunity where you are doing all the work (and presumably at some companies they've succeeded in getting the techies to do all the work?)

Considering your last statement, I think you need a better way to evaluate the work of people who don't do technical work for a living. What sort of concrete work would a marketer be doing before there's a product? I wouldn't want to work with someone who said they had already printed all the advertising for a product that hasn't even been designed!
I agree this would be a cool thing to have, but: back up, send it out: many people have a phone that can help there (snap a photo and email it; imperfect, but often will do the job)

Also, I guess you need the OCR because flipping through pages is too slow to be useful.

Another disadvantage of this is that it you can look at only one sheet at a time. With a paper notebook, you can tear of some pages if desired.
Is this a joke? Text displayed as artifact-y JPGs? What was Apple thinking. (And don't tell me they weren't involved).

edit: If Apple is giving them early access to the subscription API and Apple is using The Daily to show off the power of the subscription API and tout the Apple ecosystem... it just screams of something that Apple would be intimately involved in. If they weren't, it's equally silly. I'm not saying its fair, but Apple has certainly jeopardized the perception of this portion of their platform due to The Daily's shortcomings.
Sometimes the truth sucks. You don't do anybody and favors by ignoring it though.
You sound very knowledgeable, what projects have you done so far?
For reasons others on this thread have outlined, ControlMaster is often more trouble than it's worth for general-purpose SSH usage. However for use in automated tools, it's a lifesaver. I use it extensively in doo for that exact reason:

http://github.com/mtrudel/doo
44% of Verizon Android users likely to switch to iPhone on Day One
I also recommend _Stellar Migration and the Human Experience_, which is chock full of stuff about Dyson spheres, "star lifting" (reducing a star's mass to prolong its life), and discussion of starship design.
My favorite part: the auxiliary console includes a built-in ash tray and cigarette lighter.

http://ed-thelen.org/SageIntro-fig3-08.gif
Palace-driven development
word of mouth, would spend money on sponsored blog posts, facebook ads, pr and news stories, etc.
Hmm, "the sum of all wasted work by proven developers dealing with people who have no intention of following through" vs. "the sum of all work wasted by people who follow through to some extent and don't get their patches accepted for some reason"... honestly, it's a tough call which is larger even on a straight-across time comparison, even before we account for the fact that the first group of people are getting more productivity per hour.
The name is terrible and I don't know what the site is about after examining the landing page.

BUT -- this guy is young (I assume) and he had an idea, found help in implementing it, and carried through. At least he has the drive. He just needs to keep trying.
America's Most Promising Startups: Profiling Startups Around the U.S.
Clicky: http://iconswitch.me/

Nice work. My comments:

+) Is it possible to use only one button? When I browse and select the image, I expect it to be uploaded automatically. For example Gmail and Tineye have this behavior.

+) Try to show more feedback about the uploaded image. When I upload the image, almost instantly a download notification appears. (I think that it was "too fast".) I expected to see some changes before the download is available. For example:

- see an upload progress bar

- see an scaled version of the image in the site (this is important)

- see a fake "working" progress bar :)

- see a message "Your images are ready to download"

- see a "download button" in case the automatic download fails or I touch "cancel".
An even more interesting extrapolation of the genre is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrioshka_brain.
Twitter Topics and Why They Become Popular
No, I have made money for others.

I have failed (I mean, received excellent feedback) many times for myself. Ping me if you want to talk. My email is in my profile.
Ahh, then you want to learn about emacs --daemon and emacsclient. :-)
Some couple in Vegas would be $50k richer in about 5 minutes I'd think.

1. setup profiles and 'meet' each other
2. Chapel of love
3. Profit!!!

:) I wonder if you'd get enough attention before that inevitably happened...
> The fact is that around 1 in 3 Americans die from drug use or drug-related causes.

Cite, and cross-reference to deaths avoided/delayed by use of same drugs.
Isn't Netfix renowned for it's awesome recommendations? What additional metrics does this use?
Are Cover Letters Still Relevant For Social Media and Tech Jobs?
This is a great idea. I've followed your twitter and I put my email in. I'm looking forward to seeing the project launch soon.
I thought Netflix supported something resembling Oauth....
I'm perfectly capable of choosing an item from a list. What value, exactly, does Qpicker add?
Can a Computer Win on 'Jeopardy'?
Because he believes himself superior to mac users, the act of saying "hey, there's a better way" is another way of saying "you're stupid for picking your way (because there's a better way)" The ideological immune response ties self esteem to the product choice. Note the comment about "regulated capitalism" and the reference to "greed" as being a "base" instinct. In his world view, he is unable to conceive of the possibility that people in government might be greedy and that their "regulation" is simply a protection racket.

Finally, I never complained that ideology was an effective marketing strategy. Clearly it is. But I do think it is bad for society because it is anti-intellectual.
gokhan's comment is buried quite deep, but needs to be seen:

"Check the FAQ first:
http://www.uncontactedtribes.org/articles/3109-questions-and....

But could this be because they don’t see the benefits of ‘our’ way of life? If they knew, might they want to join us?

They won’t get the chance. In reality, the future offered by the settler society is to ‘join’ at the lowest possible level often as beggars and prostitutes. History proves that tribal peoples end up in a far worse state after contact, often dead."
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