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> If you think Uber’s car is bad can you imagine how bad Lyft’s is or most any company that started years behind?

The amount of time someone spent on a software project isn't the best indicator of its quality... especially for science work where there's a large amount of knowledge transfer within the field.

Lyft hired a top Google engineer to run the project and plenty of other experienced people. They weren't starting from scratch like Waymo and nor did Uber.

The car simply shouldn't have been tested without a driver (or two) constantly paying attention. Clearly Uber didn't trust it to be running by itself yet (especially with the emergency brakes being disabled) but it basically was if the test driver wasn't paying attention.
Yeh agree with both of your comments but is this the way to justify the error that caused someone’s life ? Almost makes it sound like “oh well it happens”. Comments like these are showing why software like that was rushed to test against live human. What about showing some empathy?
To me it indicates that at the time of the crash the software was still in a state of development where false positives massively outnumbered situations where action was warranted.
What are you saying, that a Haskell or Rust elite programmer wouldn't have made this mistake!?
Not arguing on the point of whether google is evil or not, or when that happened.

But the boiling frog analogy is something that just isn't true:

> "According to Dr. George R. Zug, curator of reptiles and amphibians, the National Museum of Natural History, 'Well that's, may I say, bullshit. If a frog had a means of getting out, it certainly would get out. And I cannot imagine that anything dropped in boiling water would not be scalded and die from the injuries.'"

> "Professor Doug Melton, Harvard University Biology Department, says, 'If you put a frog in boiling water, it won't jump out. It will die. If you put it in cold water, it will jump before it gets hot -- they don't sit still for you.'"

> "Vic's (Dr. Victor Hutchison of the University of Oklahoma) answer was as follows: 'The legend is entirely incorrect! The 'critical thermal maxima' of many species of frogs have been determined by several investigators. In this procedure, the water in which a frog is submerged is heated gradually at about 2 degrees Fahrenheit per minute. As the temperature of the water is gradually increased, the frog will eventually become more and more active in attempts to escape the heated water. If the container size and opening allow the frog to jump out, it will do so. Naturally, if the frog were not allowed to escape it would eventually begin to show signs of heat stress, muscular spasms, heat rigor, and death.'"

Quotes from:
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=758865

Additional info:
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2006/09/the-b...
I've been playing around with VMS on my MicroVAX 3800 lately, and between that and getting into Windows internals I'm just super fascinated by the difference in feel, when it comes to what the system-level APIs provide, of these highly-integrated, enterprise-oriented operating systems versus the *nix family. Particularly how robust things like user identity management are.

Not saying it's better or worse, of course. Just interesting.

I'd really love to play around with something as hyper-integrated as z/OS or something. So if anyone's got an old ES/9000 or something kicking around that they wouldn't mind sending me, let me know.
Actually, I think fixed cost projects are better. With fixed cost projects you negotiate price for the expected outcome and it is much easier to show if the success criteria were not met.

With time and materials projects it is almost impossible to get good results from the vendor. The vendor meets his goals when they deliver the team and they can't be held responsible for results, typically. If you are not happy with the people they delivered you can of course protest but then you just get different people and the people you protested will find place in another project and it does not matter much to the vendor.
Possible, but should not be relied upon. Even in cases where the driver knows that a handoff to manual control will occur, it takes a significant amount of time to mentally switch from being a passenger to being a driver. For cases where the AI knows it isn't performing well, such as heavy rain or snow, it makes sense to handoff. For anything that happens on shorter than a 10 second timeframe, the AI must be able to handle it, because the human cannot switch modes that quickly.
This is less about trusting the company and more about trusting the viability of the blockchain should the company go away.

If the blockchain continues to exist and it is economically viable, then the content will remain.

What I don't understand is how users are economically incentivized to store old content when no one is paying for it any more. I haven't read the yellow paper yet, but I assume that new users end up paying for the costs of hosting the legacy content.
Thanks. Bloomberg has a $1.99 3 month subscription deal. I’ll try it for a few months and see for myself.
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What if the rate of deaths for a given company is not zero, but below the rate for human drivers? Is it ok to have additional, unnecessary pedestrian deaths by NOT allowing that company to deploy their technology?

(That said, the negligence in the Uber case makes it pretty clear they are likely far from reaching that level of competency)
Ah quasi-omnigeneity. If anyone could explain it I would appreciate it. I know that optimizing for it "minimizes radial drift", as does quasi-helical-symmetry and quasi-axis-symmetry depending on your model for particle drift. I just don't have a grasp of omnigeneity and haven't found an easily consumed explanation for it yet.
* Actually promoting controversial comments as a default would be interesting.*

Controversial is subjective. Would you like FB/reddit to promote holocaust denial?
For those who think "well, pedestrians don't belong on the road so this wasn't much of a bug" (because I'm sure there are some of those): just imagine the "other" was a large chunk of debris, or cargo fallen off a truck. The car would have crashed right into it.

There can be many obstacles on the road, stationary or non-stationary.

AI can get away with requiring humans to take control in emergency/unusual situations, but not when it is supposed to be "self-driving". The software at least needs to recognise problematic situations and request a safety override or come to a safe stop, it can't just shrug it off and move on.
For some definition of "have".

> Having another vote just because politicians didn't like the way the first one went is not democratic.

Sure, which is why nobody is proposing that.
I regret taking 23&me test, I don’t think my dna is in safe hands.
In the UK pedestrians have the "right of way" if they were crossing the road and a car comes up on them on all roads except on Motorways and slip roads where they are banned. I put "right of way" in quotes because there's no set law - but almost all the time because a car will hurt a pedestrian - the law will side with the pedestrian. In terms of law, the written one says if a walker is crossing a side road that the driver wants to enter into, then the driver must give way.

One example would be if you were leading a walking group of 20 people and wanted to cross the road and it was safe to do so at the beginning but because the group is large it takes a long time. Any approaching cars would not have any right of way until all the group has passed.
Politicized flamebait, flagged. Call it censorship if you want.
When I learned to drive they stressed unanticipated objects coming into the street - especially balls: don't look at the trajectory of the ball and judge whether it will be in your way, instead look for the kid who will be running after the ball while not paying attention to traffic. Also in my state if you hit a kid (a minor actually) on a bicycle you are guilty until proven innocent. That's the law. You have to prove there was no reasonable way for you to avoid the accident.
I've basically seen this happen at my former employer. They started an industry, made hundreds of millions, but instead of investing in development, the executives all receive massive bonuses. Competition is now creeping in and they have no way to compete. What was once new and innovative tech is now legacy enterprise. Instead of a cooperative relationship with customers it has become adversarial. Instead of hiring engineers and building better technology that sells itself as it once did, they hire salesmen to negotiate multiyear reoccurring contracts.
Isn't it the essence of Libertarianism that something can be wrong without making it illegal?

So there's no contradiction between "Google is wrong to censor" and "Google should be free to censor".
Perversely, the popular press is also communicating to people that G & FB should censor more, instead of calling them out for their manipulation shenanigans.
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CO cops just won on appeal for demolishing a home to catch a thief who made off with a shirt and belt from Wal-Mart. It's doubtful they could be held accountable for pigging up a computer network.
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everything has been mentioned. i just want to add email.cz + emailprofi.seznam.cz for email on custom domains. both free.
Couldn't that be made explicit by having a list index in the first column?
Should companies making human-driven-cars also stop making cars should one of them kill a person?
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Thankfully I have a child and a partner. They really save me, I go to bed before 12 and get up to take baby to nursery.

Weirdly after writing the original message, I had my first good day.
In 2016, I moved from California to Rhode Island to build a Passive House. It was completed and certified by PHIUS, the American PH standards organization, in 2017.

https://www.corememory.io/this-new-house
Louvre Abu Dhabi's "10,000 Years of Luxury" exhibit looks pretty buzz worthy. Luxury was never a thing that interested me historically. But as a driver of human behavior its a locus of conflict. The recent addition in Manhattan of spaces like The Shed and newly opened Edge observation deck are inherently seductive. Situating this history in a ten millenia window may provide some illumination.

The Meaning of Luxury

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/fashion/luxury-exhibition...
i used to have a telegram bot sending me events from supervisord: http://supervisord.org/events.html
Not necessarily the programmers. There'll always be some people who are easily enough to manipulate to write this kind of code. But those making the decision to ship this and sign off on it definitely should face criminal negligence charges.
I posted about Harry Dunn who died while "riding his motorcycle when a woman emerged from the airbase on the wrong side of the road and there was a head-on collision." I mistakenly recalled that case as involving a pedestrian.
Plus, there are issues with false positives with the consumer grade testing. https://www.nature.com/articles/gim201838
Really cool!

Reminds me of the Twitter rant of the guy who created "webpack" or "babel" or something who was rejected by google because he couldn't reverse a linkedlist on a white board.

Also reminds me of Brett Victor's work: http://worrydream.com/#!2/LadderOfAbstraction
Yes. The difference it that it's "30 years away" and not "probably 30 years away"
Sure, that's what the driver's ed classes drill in, but it's not true that it's always the driver's fault.

The German law still has some notion of whether a driver could have prevented an accident or not. Not all situations are the fault of the driver.

Extreme example: If somebody runs into your car on the Autobahn that's not your fault.
> Anything from "children run onto the street to chase after a ball they were playing with" to "pedestrian jumping out between cars because they didn't see you" or "tram stops in the middle of the road and people exit onto the street".

What about "drug impaired people going onto the autobahn at night wearing dark clothes in a section unilluminated by street lights" which is what I believe happened here?
Pretty sure you will have hard time canceling it.
> I just can't understand why people ship things that fail into in potentially dangerous states on some known non-trivial fraction of inputs

Because that kind of safety-conscious culture needs to be deliberately enforced, from the top all the way down, by a system that takes a long view.

If we're making an analogy to the defense industry, then building self-driving cars as a tech startup is closer to the Anarchist's Cookbook than Northrop Grumman.
Yes, it's somewhat orthogonal. Having a third click meaning "ignore that I clicked here" is certainly fine. But please be stable :-)
I discovered once that humans don't usually remember that which they do not understand. As your understanding grows, so will your memory of it. It may be necessary to re-experience a thing many times before you understand it well enough to remember it.
One benefit I guess is you don't need a dedicated program and you can continue using your code editor. You also have full control of what the render looks like (which is helpful for GitHub READMEs).

Also with Vim (I can't speak for other editors) it has the option of concealing the markdown characters themselves so it looks more like a rendering of it. I don't use that personally but if you prefer not seeing the noise of backticks for code blocks or double asterisks for bold you can hide it.
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They clearly don't take the issue very seriously, as they allow margin trading to continue. That is not normal. They're exposing customers to more risk than they should be, and that's a very serious no-no.

I don't think small bugs in high quality shops would fall under this argument.
I use reddit precisely because it has topical communities. Moderating away people and posts that distract from the topic is a good thing. It promotes group think exactly because you can belong to any number of groups.
FWIW, we now know Uber's technology didn't do this, but we don't necessarily know the nitty-gritty details of how other self-driving systems work.

For me, the most important take-away isn't something about Uber being sloppy. It's that the distinction between "machine learning" and "artificial intelligence" really matters, and the efforts of marketing teams to over-hype ML by selling it as AI may be hindering our society's ability to make cogent public policy decisions around these technologies.

(No, I'm not really interested in haggling over ideas like "hard AI" and "soft AI" here, either. Normal people don't split those hairs. Nerds generally don't, either, except when they're trying to score easy points in a debate.)
That definition of responsibility negates freedom in itself. I have literally seen it used by dictators who set libel laws to crush any negative stories.

The stance is absurd - tt is akin to saying that Kinkos should be liable for anything printed beyond "they knowingly used ink laced with weaponized anthrax" - and should be charged with terrorism because a customer who quietly printed a bomb threat formatted to look like a resume - just because they kick you out for openly printing Goatse.ck and every other old shock site which scares away the other customers.
i think the hardware will not be the problem, but the software. i do not believe the level of scruitiny that has been set in the past, where multiple people went over PRINTED code line after line, multiple times, is something that would be done these days.
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Other people are suggesting alternative platforms when you could simply have an AWS autoscaling group. If a server goes down it simply relaunches a saved image.
More due to airlines demanding a new 737 instead of a new plane. Boeing already made a new 737, it’s called the 757 and nobody bought it.
It's kind of interesting, when you compare WinAPI to classic Mac Toolbox, how incredibly similar their core concepts are.

Especially when you take into account that the first GUI application MS made was Excel for the Macintosh. And then they more-or-less wrote Windows as a runtime environment for porting Excel to PCs.

Not getting into any of that old-school MS-stole-the-GUI flamewar business, I just think it's genuinely historically interesting to note the parallels when you play with each.
It does not matter if you use Germany or the USA.

iPhones or whatever gets produced in China, likely by Foxconn. Profit margins are small.

I iphones get sold to Apple HK, apple HK sells them to Apple US or Apple Germany for a huge mark up. iphones are sold in the US or Germany for a small mark up.

I don't know if this is apples setup but profits would be accrued in HK tax free. In the end it does not matter since.

On the balance sheet China or HK is exporting goods to the US or Germany but all the profits land at a US company - apple.

Amazon, Google, eba, Microsoft is big in Europe. Where do you see their products in the trade balance sheets? YOU DON'T. Microsoft is not shipping Windows CDs from the US to the UK or France or Germany.

The bottom line: While the huge trade deficit of the US is not healthy, it is highly distorted and probably much lower than you think.

"IMHO that sale wouldn't have any direct effect on USA trade balance and on USD supply/demand."

People buy stocks in the US. They buy them with US dollars. Why are they buying US stocks? Because these companies are highly competitive. Why are they highly competitive? Most pay hardly any taxes and their products don't appear in any trade balance sheet.
> "that cheap keep flowing"

Well. with ECB ending its QE program it's perhaps time to stock up some umbrellas
What are the guarantees it won't make it worse? Decisions like these are never "obvious" or easy
There was a time when vi and some of its variants (for instance vim) were considered relatively heavy, at least on shared servers. I'm thinking back to my Uni days with two rooms full of vt100 clones all connected to one poor box and people telnet-ing in from other locations too (SSH was pretty much brand new at that point so wasn't available). Of course emacs was worse, but there were even leaner options than vi/vim/related too.
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Legally the pedestrian has no responsibility except that they're prohibited from entering certain areas specifically legislatively set aside for motor vehicles like motorways (approximately "freeways").

Drivers are required to give "due care and attention" to driving which can be demonstrated by following the "highway code" and that code tells them pedestrians might do things they don't expect and to assume if it's not clear what's going to happen then yeah there is a pedestrian behind that obstruction and they are going to run into the road in front of you, whereupon hitting them would be your fault.

For example when I was a child I got off my first bus home from secondary school, and ran straight into the road in front of a car I couldn't see because the bus was in the way. The horrified driver was legally responsible for that, even though she hasn't intended to hit me. I believe she would have been automatically billed by the authorities for the cost of shipping me to a hospital to have my broken leg set and so on.

Clearly it is in some sense my fault that happened, but on the other hand it's not me choosing to drive a huge steel box at 30mph past a bunch of idiot children...
I guess what I don't get is that the service needs to be rolled out/restarted too.

Doesn't the data just live in a database & there's a cache going on that can be invalidated?

Or is everything just so overcomplicated these days?
> Vscode has been great open source tool and ms has been heavily investigating in open source community.

But why? Corporations rarely invest in projects which don't support their own self-interest. And why should they? Microsoft is not a charity.

Microsoft owns github. Microsoft produces one of the most used code editors out there at the moment. Microsoft is heavily invested in the Linux foundation. It would be foolish to assume that such a massive corporation with a history of anti-consumer and anti-developer behavior would never leverage their position to their own benefit.

What incentive does Microsoft have to act in a benevolent way?
Replace "censoring conservative viewpoints" with "censoring the nice people who tell me about how I can make $13,000 a week working from home". Which part of this argument changes? I can't find any part that does.
It’s mind boggling that tracking history wasn’t maintained between object classifications. Surely the best thing to do would be to detect "object" -> track it -> classify -> predict path -> back to classify
Back when I was working on everything myself, I deployed everything through AWS Lambda and API Gateway, with all my static assets on S3 and CloudFront. I had exactly zero infrastructure issues over the course of two years and never dealt with security patches, SSH'ing, etc. If I were doing billions of requests, it may not have been the most cost effective, but it helped me scale without worrying about typical devops issues. Updates, testing, rollbacks, etc were also extremely easy.
An interesting criticism of this stance is the implication that nature is more important than humans, and that humans will never be space-faring.

Also, it is basically white countries telling Africa to stop having children.
I loaded it just fine from the link
It's about 500 single-engine turboprops per year.

You're right, they last forever, and so the market for new aircraft is tiny. Really a vicious circle: high costs lead to low volume leads to high costs.
I doubt that the emergency braking system was behaving erratically in itself, to any significant extent - if that were the case, it would do so for human drivers, and so should not be on the road at all. What I suspect is more likely is that Uber's system was behaving erratically, triggering the emergency response with some frequency.
It's not car-centric, it's just extremely bad (though perhaps just incomplete...) design for a car that is tested on public roads.

Anything can get in the way of a moving car. Pedestrians are unpredictable and should be kept an eye on at all times.

In the UK it is legal for pedestrians to cross roads anywhere unless specifically forbidden (that's basically motorways). In general accidents it will be deemed the driver's fault (if you see a pedestrian you're supposed to slow down and avoid, not honk and continue because you have a duty to drive with due care and consideration) unless the pedestrian acted in such a way that the car could not avoid the accident.
But human-driven cars kill tens of thousands of people a year in the US. I think improving that is really important for our society.

It is very sad that this pedestrian died and companies that kill people through avoidable accidents like this should be punished. Uber specifically seems like a trash tier self-driving car research program and I wouldn’t mind if they just stopped.

But one day, even a system that’s far safer than human drivers is going to kill someone accidentally. It is going too far to say, a method of driving cars that ever kills somebody should be abandoned.
And that does what?

This is a conversation where people are not acting in detail but on generality.

What does moderation entail.

What are the rules needed

What rules for what type of conversations?

What does moderation mean.

What is an acceptable level of service ?

What is “service” in a web forum?

What’s actually wrong?