skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
No, but neither is there anything that would justify giving a spouse such a very different limit especially considering that they file joint tax returns and her credit score is better than his (see article).

It would seem that his conclusion is warranted absent evidence to the contrary, the difference is too large to explain in ways that make any sense.
Are you saying that there are insurers who don't base their rating decisions on actuarial data? Isn't that a requirement?
I still remember one of my first managers that seemed like a nice person who went absolutely psychopathic during 1-on-1 when nobody else was in the office that day, attempting to completely destroy me, perked with wonderful statements like "your performance doesn't matter for your career progression", "you can't do anything about it", "I can do whatever I want to you", "it's for the company (i.e. him = company)". All after I solved their main problems within my first few months and laid groundwork for their next successful product. Later I learned there was some internal clique of people pushing each other forward and I was considered a threat - at that time I was pretty naïve, one could tell idealistic after achieving academic excellence at top schools, believing in "innate goodness" of people (LOL).

Now that person is a senior director at Google. Good luck to anyone affected! I am still thinking I should have destroyed him back then and stop the tumor right in the beginning...
Comparing waste from coal, oil and natural gas to nuclear waste is a difficult discussion to have. Climate change is not caused by nuclear waste. We can hit any temperature goal we want regardless of how much nuclear waste is generated.

My own personal view is that the threat from global warming is worse than the threat of nuclear waste buildup. This is why I usually comment that we should ban burning fossil fuels for power generation and then first afterward start the discussion on how we want to create the energy grid of the future. Nuclear waste is a very relevant topic once we got to the point that we agree that burning fossil fuels has to stop and we decided which day the fossil fueled power plants must shut down.
They still are. Nothing of serious consequence has happened. What you're seeing is the 0.01% vocal minority creating outrage over political motives but will disappear into obscurity within days or weeks.
> Are we really to imagine the Apple/Goldman algorithm has some "if(gender.female){ cc_payment_terms = :discrimination }" sort of code in it?

Not intentionally, but it's possible for black box AI algorithms to engineer such a model feature.
> People are almost "over confident" sometimes.

Is it possible that people are by and large the same, but that social media simply makes it very easy for people lacking confidence to come across as more confident than they really are?
Well, it seems like both you and the twitter thread have anecdotal evidence. I'd say that the fact that an internal investigation is being launched leads credence to the belief that the discrimination is at least possible.
>None of us are allowed to know that. That's the big problem here. They delegate the decision to a black box that cannot be questioned.

The entire article is about questioning the black box, with regulatory force. Which is a good thing that is is going to be investigated.

>When the process is set up like that, I think it's fair to assume the worst case scenarios

Disagree. Consider it yes, but not assume it as a foregone conclusion.

> and put the burden on the company to prove otherwise.

Agree.
> If there's no space for nuclear power plants

Renewable energy production and nuclear power plants have very different space requirements.

> find space for renewables

Germany has more than 30000 wind turbines. For example here in North Germany it's planned to increase the offshore wind energy production by a factor of three in the coming decade. This offshore space is available.
One data point really isn't enough to draw a conclusion and I actually doubt it's true. GS is extremely scrupulous when it comes to avoiding liability and they probably put a ton of diligence into their risk model. It's possible there's some emergent gender bias but we'd need a better show of proof.
There's a limit to the "meanness" one can stomach, however, without some aspect, such as mental health, going awry. In short bursts it may be useful, but in the long run, meanness is not sustainable.
Yeah, unfortunately both internal monologue voiceovers and narration from the off seem to have declined in popularity with film directors over the decades. I really like what these devices can bring to the table when used skillfully.
I have MS. My neurologist straight up said many years ago that vitamin D is not a cure ... but he did recommend taking a supplement, unfortunately the urologist disagrees...
It won't have that line in their code. What it very likely will have is some Bayesian algo or maybe if they're really high tech some ML black box that will have gender as one of its inputs. And it probably shouldn't have that input.

The whole idea behind decisions like these is that they have to be explainable and ML especially does not lend itself well for that.
Obviously nuclear waste is dangerous, but it's still safer for the planet than the massive amounts of gasses emitted to the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels. As opposed to radioactive casks, these gasses cannot be contained deep, deep under ground forever, they can only be released to change our environment in ways neither we nor the nature are prepared to deal with.
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It's not such a problem, except if you want to train from scratch a large model (NLP or CV), not if you want to fine-tune it for a related task. So one trained model can be reused many times. In general training data is scarce, only in a few situations it is abundant.
If they're using machine learning, then yes it may literally have code like that in it.
Weren’t DNA computers that could store petabytes in a thimble-full of material supposed to come out a decade ago? Biology is not easy harness, even if you “want” it...
Yep. This is part of why GDPR is so important - the “right to explanation” for automated decision-making processes.
I doubt that small speeding fines do more than pay for themselves. You need a bureaucracy in place for fine payment, fines can end up getting contested in court at a huge cost, etc.
Interesting to know, but they could develop this feature inside chromium so it is a moot point.
Moreover features only supported by safari will be used by exactly 0% of web developers.
The whole thread is less about his wife having a lower credit limit, and more about Apple reps not understanding the fucking algorithm.

The axis doesn’t really matter. Maybe it’s gender, maybe it’s not. In any case, it should be about money, credit score, trustworthiness. Apparently, it’s not. Being a women could be one indicator. It might be "being black" for other people.

There seems to be something fishy going on and Apple doesn’t even know why. Hence, there is a bias.
> Please define what you mean by "heavily processed foods"

I define it as number of steps from the original food to what's on your plate.
How did they use an elephant as cover image without mentioning von Neumann's famous and relevant quote: "With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk."

A great article on it: https://www.johndcook.com/blog/2011/06/21/how-to-fit-an-elep...
Maybe I am missing something, but wouldn't it make perfect sense if they have dramatically different income?

I think even if two people have their property in common (and if the algorithm even knows about that), it is still not unreasonable to believe that there is a higher probability of the one with higher income paying off his or her loans.
Thanks. I've very familiar with van and von used like this, but Heinemeier seemed like a middle name.
This is a problem that needs to be solved, no question about it.
They're not discriminating based on race or heritage. That is nothing but made-up outrage.

Limiting access by regional location is something all countries and companies do, especially for sensitive data with complex security policies.
I do understand how difficult it is to deal with spam, and how important it is. I also see that the issue have arised from error/negligence and not from malice. But blocking the whole google account including the email, that can contain very important or urgent information, is completely unacceptable.

A small site like HN can block someone by mistake then apologize and say "Yeah, we definitely fucked up there", but google pushes gmail to make it essential for everything: login to phone, login to chrome, built in password manager in chrome, oauth login to third party sites. So it must handle things much more carefully.
Black-box algorithms that affect your livelihood are bad, and I don't understand how anyone can be opposed to full transparency.

I don't care what the context is. Whether its credit ratings, job applications, or college admissions.
https://github.com/nannal/Tortuga
That's not based on any actual evidence though... Just a bunch of (somewhat dubious) assumptions piled into a theoretical analysis.
Types are much better utilised in/while modeling domain.
>does it even matter if a SaaS product has a twitter handle for marketing and support?

With ActivityPub, the organization behind your SaaS product can be hosting their own organizational instance of Mastodon (or whatever fediverse software they choose to run) and interact directly on the platform, bypassing Twitter.

Effectively this is a lot like hosting your own SMTP services (or paying someone to do that for you!)
The issue is that many of the Baby Boomer generation seem unaware of this fact or just don't seem to care.
I haven't seen any actual evidence other than his single datapoint of him vs. his wife's experience. Of course its possible that the algorithm is designed to give lower credit limits to women, but I find it unlikely. My wife and I have applied for dozens of cards over the past 10+ years and I've consistently found that once you're score is above some reasonable threshold, the biggest predictor of what credit limit you will be offered are the credit limits on the OTHER credit cards reporting to your report. Maybe he already has much higher limits on other cards?

I started using credit cards a few years before my wife, and despite us both having excellent credit the first time she started applying for cards she was getting limits around $1K or $2K while at that point I was around 10x that. But after a few years of getting more cards and requesting limit increases, both of us now have roughly the same (fairly ridiculous) limits across all of our cards. Admittedly I don't have any cards issued by Goldman Sachs bank, but I can't imagine their algorithm would be much different than Amex, Citi, Chase, etc.
Note that an ML box doesn’t even need gender as an input. Name alone probably gets you 90% of the way there.
> Buildings slowly deteriorate, even if not used. So now you have to maintain the disused reactor, for ... how long exactly?

And here comes radioactive decays to the rescue! Half-life of Co60 is a little bit more than 5 years, for instance. The important thing to consider is that dangerous radioactive materials are also the ones with the shortest half-life (because the same number of atoms emits more radiation per second), so as long as you took out the fuel[1] you don't have anything really dangerous for too long. It could still be a problem when decommissioning (because you spill everything out in a short time and you have workers just nearby) but if you let the building just decay slowly, you don't have issues.

[1]: the fuel is a bit special, because it has long half-life but it's still dangerous for two reasons. 1) it's alpha emitters, the worst kind of radioactive substance. 2) the concentration is enormous.
International law hasn't stopped the US before. So why bother? We can just deport these illegal citizens to the place that best matches their heritage. Problem solved.

And in the US, jaywalking is a crime. A crime is a crime, which makes jaywalking a crime all the same. If they decided to jaywalk, then they deserve to be deported for their criminal actions.

For reference: Crossing the boarder illegally is a misdemeanor just like jaywalking.
If something is generally true then their must exist many specific cases of it being true. Therefore it’s reasonable to require people making general arguments to provide at least one specific example. Because if they can’t that directly invalidates their argument.
I think the HN team does a very good job of moderation.
https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/i-can-text-you-a-pile-of...
How to become TikTok famous
Maybe GS can too?
Nope. Google his family; they're all HH's.
I don't understand this response. Most of our use cases have always done fine with a simple JSON document store -- no reinvention or anything. Most of our Queries are just a simple PostgreSQL table with an Aggregate ID and a JSON column.

Remember: For smallish applications you can still have your application itself be a monolith, so no need for complicated setups with message queues (Kafka, whatever), etc. etc. In this case you can basically rely on near-instant communication from the Command side of things to the Query side of things. You can also have the frontend (Web) subscribe to updates.

(We have our own in-house library to do all of this so YMMV. I'm not sure what the commodity CQRS/ES libraries/frameworks are doing currently.)
That's not how HN works. There's no 'don't downvote to disagree' rule. There is a 'don't go on about downvoting' one, though.
What is this implicit assumption that DNA index = power?

Power to do what? Identify you? They already (try to) do that! A DNA index is just a superior authentication mechanism, one that would involve a lot less suffering for those being identified.

The not processing of rape kits has been shameful and many nonprofits are working to rectify that problem: https://www.rainn.org/articles/addressing-rape-kit-backlog

You don't experience the problem because you're likely wealthy and probably white. The fact that rich whites can so easily dismiss even the idea of police authentication as a problem just shows that rich white America isn't even aware what poor black people go through in this country every single day.
What we really need is the ability to force organizations to expose their models.
> doesn't include a discussion of waste and the costs associated with handling and storing it safely

Right, so French nuclear waste is given to private shipping companies who take it to Somalia and dump it just off the shore there.

The rise of Somalian "piracy" 30 years ago was due to villagers tired of the poison washing up on shore and so they would take rafts out to ships to inspect them, as is their right as an impromptu but only existing coast guard.
First world problems, who cares.

Oh no, my credit limit is $50,000 but my wife's is only $5,000!

Fuck off.
It means "neck" in Icelandic, they use steroids, trick out landrover and fake tan.
Here's a thread on Apple support[1], with many reporting similar experience and an anecdote going the opposite way:

I’ve been having the same issue since Monday 10/14. I paid my balance in full, money was taken from my Chase account right away and cleared next day, but my Apple Card available balance hasn’t updated. I’ve also gotten the same response from support. It could take several days. Funny thing I paid my wife’s card off a few weeks ago and it updated within seconds, same bank account and everything......

[1] https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250676909?page=2
The statements you are making now are already retreating from your initial position. "Bringing in drugs and crime" is not equivalent to "every immigrant is a criminal", which was your initial interpretation. I think it's reasonable to disagree with Trump on matters of degree and relevance, but not to wholly twist his statements or rely on divining his state of mind.

One, his statement is not qualified wrt other populations. A strong defense against a similar statement about immigrants in Germany was that the crime level of immigrant populations was of a similar magnitude to natives. Trump's argument could easily be challenged the same way.

The second way would be relevance. It's trivially true that some of the immigrants may bring in crime. Is this important to the discussion? Many decisions have adverse consequences but are still taken as a measure of overall good or moral fortitude. An example would be giving free speech to people with reprehensible ideas - while it may lead to offense and actual harm, it is argued as both a net positive good and a show of moral fortitude, that the societ is secure enough in its beliefs that it ia willing to entertain arguments striking against its core. Similarly, one could argue that Mexican immigrants bring in a net positive(it is a common trope that they are hardworking and willing to take on otherwise undesirable jobs). You could also argue that American society should have(within reason) the fortitude to accept immigrants and give them a chance to integrate and enjoy the benefits of Amercian society.

You don't need to strawman Trump to argue against his rhetoric. By far Trump's strongest political weapon has been to bait people into emotional outrage and theb turn around and use that as ammo.
> I'm sure we can find someplace to store it all.

Yes, on an indian reservation.
That's the problem. Nuclear reactors are huge undertakings and obviously producing only one is going to be incredibly expensive, just like building only one wind turbine of a design. That's why countries should cooperate to build more continuously and more efficiently.
It is still flying way. Too. HIGH.

Can't we just go everywhere by train and boat, by land and sea? Humans were not meant to soar up in the sky, thousands of meters high. We're not birds.

I hate flying.
We don’t know, and that’s the problem. Machine learning models are entirely dependent on their training data. If the data is biased the model will be too.
All of it needs to be processed in a breeder reactor before storage. Processing in a breeder reactor is illegal under US law.
To regulators, sure. Entirely reasonable. To your average Joe? No. This is already done to prevent redlining when originating mortgages.

Disclaimer: Work in financial services in risk management, interface with regulators. Opinions are my own.
It applies to anyone who can't be fired easily.
Problem is once a model is exposed it can be easily gamed
I don't, but I had a member in one of our online communities that insisted on using Medium.

Compared to self-hosted solutions, a medium blog had a professional look from the get-go. This was the major reason why said team member wanted Medium.

I don't think open source projects has yet caught up with Medium editor in it's image uploads, YouTube embedding, or the good looking CSS. Gutenberg and Drupal's Paragraphs has made good attempts though.
Good question. The dismantling narrative probably comes from a mix between wishful thinking from politicians and bad habits of lying all the time from the nuclear industry… I mean, the nuclear story is even brighter if we can promise we'll clean up after us right?
it’s notable that a lot of mid-20th-century fear surrounding the increased use of computers was centered around this exact scenario: a black box, the judgement of which cannot be questioned, deciding your fate, with no recourse.

We all scoffed at this for a long time. ML makes it real, apparently.
In the 30+ years since Chernobyl we could have had >400000 similar accidents and still not reach the death toll of coal burning... that's food for thought...
Oh.

Well, thanks. Now I will never say my own name in the same, care-free and innocent way I've always said it until now.

Ever. Again.
All? No.

But the official policy was that anyone who got hurt had only themselves to blame.

"By mid-1927, the new denaturing formulas included some notable poisons—kerosene and brucine (a plant alkaloid closely related to strychnine), gasoline, benzene, cadmium, iodine, zinc, mercury salts, nicotine, ether, formaldehyde, chloroform, camphor, carbolic acid, quinine, and acetone. The Treasury Department also demanded more methyl alcohol be added—up to 10 percent of total product. It was the last that proved most deadly."

https://slate.com/technology/2010/02/the-little-told-story-o...
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Highly doubt Goldman Sachs included gender discrimination in their risk model...do regulators get to see the risk models credit companies use to determine how much credit one can use?
Yes, for sure. But unlike language features that enforce correctness, you can choose what and how to test to suit your use case. Haskell for example doesn’t support gradual typing. You must always pay the static typing cost regardless of whether you need it.
This guy sounds like he’s really making a huge tin foil hat.
66% of US workers would move abroad for a better-paying job
> The nicer you state your messages the more people will listen to you.

Most of the evidence I see directly contradicts this. The most successful people I know are generally very nice, but can turn on the assholishness very tactically.

People don't remember Feynman's O-ring demonstration because it was nice, they remember it because it was a nasty takedown in spite of it not being strictly correct.

After 30+ years, my father could get most misbehaving high school students to stop with just a quip that embarrassed them in front of their peers. That may have pissed off the student, but it was less disruptive to both class and the student than having to stop class, send the student to the administration, and invoke overzealous cover-your-ass administration punishment.

In most successful projects I have been involved with, a single person dragged it's bleeding, broken corpse across the finish line. And, I assure you, they weren't always being very nice at the end--generally justifiably so to people in the way.

And, being nice in politics got us where we are today--a resurgent set of right-wing demagogues in multiple countries.

Sorry, just not seeing it. I"m not saying "You should always be a raging asshole," but I see precious little evidence that being the "nicer" person turns out better in the long run.

Game theory, in fact, prefers tit-for-tat, no? Be nice and forgive, but do punish those who deserve it.
Sure. Can you name the relevant intrinsic in any pre-modern language? It's nice that Rust has overflowing_add, but what were you supposed to do in the 90s? GCC's __builtin_add_overflow only appeared in 2014. Before that, there was this: http://kqueue.org/blog/2012/03/16/fast-integer-overflow-dete..., where, hilariously:

> GCC will optimize away the check (c < 0)

...and the suggested solution to this was to use special, third-party "safe math" libraries written in target-specific assembly.

Which meant you weren't really getting the feature we're looking for (which is portable code that will compile anywhere, using either native two's-complement wrapping arith when available, or a shimmed emulation of it when not), because you were locking yourself into a whitelist of targets that the library had been written to support.

Now, mind you, that's just C. "Using two's complement arithmetic" might be something you can get a guarantee on from, say, Ada, or Fortran, but if you can, I've never heard about it. Anyone know?
“When I was young, I used to admire intelligent people; as I grow older, I admire kind people.”

— Abraham Joshua Heschel

Words I am always reminded of whenever I try to be too clever on the internet.
Ok, let's try to put it all into context. Denmark. one of the most egalitarian countries in the world. 1% of the 1%. I live here and aren't a Dane, their vision of the world can be quite bubblelike and skewed. Im almost sure that he's jumping into conclusions.