The market was sabotaged plain and simple because the big fish are moving in. The result will be regulatory capture that make sure the small/medium companies that created the market hand it over to the bigs.

Vaping oil is much different than vaping flower or dry. Vaping simply means non combusted smoke which since it is under 450 degrees it reduces and removes 20+ carcinogens.

Noone thinks smoking is purely healthy, but comparing vaping to cigarettes it is a no brainer safer. Oils probably a little less safe than dry.

Also, cigarette butts are next to plastics as the most environmental damage. e-cigs and vaping is mostly re-usable and there are no butts about it.

A decade of vaping, no issues. Suddenly lots of bunk production where the problem isn't nicotine or THC it is people trying to stretch supply by putting in harmful filler (vitamin E oil). If you ask me that is blue ocean market sabotage. The big fish are moving in.

I predict the market of vaping suddenly being "safe" when the bigs are in. It was safe before, until it was sabotaged for the misinformation/disinformation to create the outrage and distraction. It is almost too easy with our social tabloid outrage market now to manipulate to keep the big fish richer and richer, while people fall for the scam.

Prohibitions and banning does not work, makes it more unsafe and obliterates harm reduction.

Safe markets that are convenient and available beat black markets. But you shouldn't help the bigs squash the small/medium that are already testing within their states in their respective legal state limited markets. This happens at the beginning of all large new markets that are blue oceans, the shakeouts happen on the regular by the bigs.

The legal market here shows how it can improve these areas and find issues quickly. This was a black market sabotage move that was quickly rooted out. It has been turned into another authoritarian prohibitionist banning movement using children again. Overreaction and banning ONLY helps the big fish or the black market, makes everything more unsafe and obliterates harm reduction.

The big fish can weather this storm, the small/medium that were doing it right cannot and you just side with the big fish when you do this. Nearly all prohibitionists/authoritarian people end up doing that just like in this case.

Vaping is already illegal by age, no need to harm adults that have Right to Body. We need a Right to Body amendment that could have a whole political party around it, it could change the world. It would remove all laws and illegality around owning your own body including: drugs, sex/sex working, choice, etc for adults and legal markets that are safer.

Parents need to step up to stop kids from vaping under age. We don't need the whole country or government to be Big Daddy, that is what an authoritarian system has like China or Russia.

Companies shouldn't be able to market them like cigarettes or alcohol, but taking from all because of a few ends up in tyranny, even if you think that small step is harmless, it is not. Otherwise they'll start banning video games, sodas, food, candy, coffee, etc etc.

You have to understand human nature, anything banned increases in value due to black market, anything legal where clear information gets out, starts to help the issue and safer production. Just like in this case, the market was legal, the problem was found to be Vitamin E Acetate quickly.

Think it isn't black market or big fish sabotage? Note the time when Altria bought in Dec 2018 and note when the outrage happened, 2019, see a timeline pattern? [1] Stay tuned, they need people temporarily being against this to win this market as well, keep up the outrage for nothing and they will win.

"But think of the kids!!" Oldest trick in taking over markets disaster capitalist big fish book.

Will you still be saying "think of the kids" when they ban reddit? How about video games, sodas, food, candy, coffee, etc etc? There are plenty of prohibitionists that want to ban all of that and have tried with cases like this many times. They even tried with reddit for FOSTA-SESTA bills after the Craigslist/Backpage classified section shut down because the bigs wanted that and it was one of those "think of the kids" moments that ended up being complete lies [2].

Prohibitions and banning never works on things people choose to do with their own bodies, it will only benefit the black market and the wealthy big fish as well as the cartels/mafias.

Nearly all authoritarian prohibitionist people end up helping authoritarian and big fish in the market just like in this case.

Altria will benefit the most, they can take the temporary setback and it is even some false opposition going on to help this. Juul was bought into recently (2018) and the outage started months after (2019) [1]. Altria also ousted the CEO from before, now they will be able to own more of it with reduced value. This was a simple disaster capitalist big fish play and prohibitionists fell for it.

Prohibitionists are out here fighting for big fish killing off innovative small/medium companies that were doing it right. If you are in the outrage state, pro-prohibitionists and own it, you are letting the big fish take the market from the small/medium players that were doing it right, or the black market mafias/cartels.

This had nothing to do with the legal market, the legal market is the only way forward with age limitations and safety testing/regulations that don't squash the small/medium at this stage.

Just be aware, the bots and trolls are out pushing this. The President looks to be doing an Executive Order soon to limit vaping while easing up on cigarettes, just like all the Republican governors that did it. [3][4] Same play different day, big fish win, "think of the children" authoritarianism and big fish disaster capitalist raiding of the blue ocean that will be immense when marijuana is fully legalized and vaping is suddenly "safe" when the bigs run the show.

This is America.

People not thinking it is about market power and money are naive as hell.

You think this is for health reasons? laughable.

Same with all bans and prohibitions, makes it more unsafe and more lucrative for mafias/cartels because there is decreased supply and increased demand, price goes up, in comes the underground and more danger.

[1] https://www.npr.org/2018/12/20/678915071/altria-buys-35-perc...

[2] https://www.wired.com/story/inside-backpage-vicious-battle-f...

[3] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/health/trump-vaping.html

[4] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-08/senior-wh...