skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I recently did vacation at the North Sea (land side, not the islands). It was heartbreaking. In many areas the iPhone showed "No Service", in most areas we had "Edge" connection with virtually no data throughput. Even when it showed "3G" I was mostly unable to use WhatsApp. And this is a region where people live!

And let's not talk about the landline broadband.... our rented appartment had a meager 1MBit download speed and 10MBit upload (yes, the reverse from what you would expect).

On the Autobahn, on many, many kilometers we had Edge only.

Compare that to my last travel to Iran: we had very fast LTE almost everywhere especially in the middle of the desert (it was heavily censored, but the infrastructure was working).

Even very close to big cities like Frankfurt, having an uninterrupted phone call is a difficult thing to have.
The justice's analogy in that case was bad, but otherwise it would have been a good argument.

If speech is meant to directly lead to harm, it should be constrained.
Fair point, they are not the same. Reason to do this is because the parent mentioned not being awarded according to value, it seems to me his core problem is with the free market system, not so much with capitalism as a tool to organize power and politics.
It's been ruled private companies can discriminate against homosexuals by refusing to provide service to them (ie: a wedding cake). Also been ruled you can discriminate against customers based on religious beliefs (ie: refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control) see “religious refusal” and “conscience protection” laws.
Startup vanity metrics transposed to real life interactions.
This is why I don't dare to be a starting entrepreneur right now. I'm afraid I'll definitely fail and cannot afford living expenses and have nothing to show for it in the end.

Or do people consider 2 years coding at your own startup as 2 years of programming experience? I know some people who say that they don't.
China just let its currency float more it was more pegged to the dollar before. Also isn’t this a good thing for US consumers as it cancels out some of the trade war stupidity
These places are already echo chambers. That's how the speech gets so fringe in the first place.

De-platforming fractures the echo chambers and forces the population to find newer, smaller echo chambers, which reduces the impact of each echo.
Why doesn't Google or Apple have 'explain like I'm 5' explanations of how their password managers work? I don't use either service but this is a MAJOR opportunity to encourage their users to use a password manager and subsequently make their users more secure online.

I'm a big proponent of using a password manager and if I even remotely mention using iCloud Keychain or Google's password manager, people have zero idea what I'm talking about.
Which brings us back to the old way of using cash instead of gift cards, it might have a number of other issues, still it remains simpler.
I think you are right that the government has showed a lot of restraint in dipping its toes into this problem, and that might be a good thing. However, Cloudflare in shutting off 8chan, has not violated anybody's free speech.

The constitution only applies to the government's relationship with its people. Only the government can violate a citizen's constitutional rights. Other individuals (or companies) cannot violate another person's constitutional rights. Cloudflare, in ceasing its relationship with 8chan, is not impeding on their first amendment rights.

Even so, the first amendment is not a blanket right to say whatever you want or incite violence. The first amendment is much narrower than you may realize, and in the narrowest (most protected) case, only applies to political speech. Hate speech is definitely not protected.

While 8chan, as an operator, is not directly responsible for what happens on their site, they start taking on liability when they are knowingly aware of and take no action against people who are using the site for criminal activity. The same goes for a landlord who knowingly lets his/her house be used for criminal activity, such as crack house.
JavaScript End 2 End Testing for Mere Mortals
Bonkers vs. Bots
Generally I agree however

> Companies are inherently political

I am fed up of everything be political. I know someone is going to make Doom Eternal political somehow when the game is about a man that is too angry to die taking on the legions of the hell dimension (that is literally the plot of the game).

Gilette have tried making how I remove hair from my face political.

I want companies to sell their product and as long are people are using it legally they should probably not take a political stance.
Based on what I'm seeing in this comment section, I'll be doing as much of my online shopping with Costco as possible. They have just as much, if not more of an emphasis on customer service, and they actually treat their employees very well.
I call this Confederate flag behavior.

There are a huge number of people who claim they support the Confederate flag in honor of those who lost their lives under it.

Okay. It was a racist and oppressive government, but I can understand that logic. People gave their lives, and even sacrifice in favor of an unjust cause is sacrifice.

That said... if that's what it's really about for them, then why didn't those folks say something when the flag was claimed by racists and white supremacists? Why didn't they defend it from those who would appropriate the symbol?

Silence carries its own liability.

And a lot of 8chan-style behavior that isn't guilty of outright instigation is certainly guilty of immoral silence.

Source: living in a southern US state
People seem to be saying a) hold the cash and wait or b) put it in the market. There is a compromised path that exposes you to both scenarios (though by definition eliminates your ability to get the maximum possible upside).

Compromise: Put your cash in, for instance, Betterment's new 2.69% savings account so that it's at least earning reasonable interest for 2019. CIT online bank is another alternative at 2.4% for over $50k. Both are FDIC insured.

Take 10-30% of your cash holdings, divide by 12 and dollar-cost average your way into the (potentially bulging) market by making identical sized investments every month.

If we see a crash soon you've limited your downside exposure. If we keep growing you've exposed yourself to some upside. Recalibrate in a year or so.
I still useing Logitech K380 and I like it!
In the long run it's only dividends that matter.

Using Robert Shiller's long term stock market data we find that s&p returns without dividend reinvestment is about 2%, after inflation. With dividend reinvestment it's about 6%. That's a 2x difference in 20 years.
My point is that the phrase has a history of being used to criminalize speech that most people would now see as being worthy of protection. For those using it today, the burden is really on the accuser to show that they aren't doing the same.
As always speculators will die. This has been the case for millenia.
> being so brazenly dismissive of other people's experiences, take the few measly minutes it would take to actually try it out

?? I did try it exactly as was requested of me. I didn't know where to find a recaptcha so I went to the demo page.

It's possible the video is the result of a bug and not normal behaviour. I wouldn't know as I don't often browse with tor.
CP gets knocked off the board fast. 4chan and 8chan know the line, though it is in a weird place (it probably should be on the other side of "fomenting white supremacy")
One alternative is that many of them give up the idea of taking action.
I find RegEx's a bit cryptic. Sure, with enough practice one can read them, but I'd like an alternative that can easily break out chunks as named units. One can then reference the named units to compose new named units. Divide-and-Conquer.

I'd like to see experiments in alternatives that provide this. It could help do for RegEx's what SQL's WITH statement did for long SQL statements.

Backus–Naur Form could act as a starting point, but it needs some syntactic adjustments to make it more compact and practical, in my opinion. Partial example:

Side = VarFunc + Segment*;
Segment =
":" + Varfunc
| (":" + VarFunc)[0..1] + "{" + "}"
| (":" + Varfunc)[0..1] + "{" + Base + (";" + Base)* + "}";
Letter = ('a'..'z'|'A'..'Z');
ForbiddenChar = $anyChr("/?#%");
/*
Legend:
[x..y] = quantity of repeats (substitute letters with integers)
[0..n] = zero, one, or multiple
* = shorthand for [0..n]
| = "or"
+ = concatenation, ignores white-space
++ = concatenation, excludes white space
+w+ = concatenation, must have white-space between
'x'..'y' = character falls within range
$x() = special function or constant, where "x" is a name.
*/
Can any free speech absolutists explain to me the legitimate public interest that is served by allowing terrorist breeding grounds like 8chan to continue to operate?
Many site operators try to spend the absolute least amount of money on servers, so it's common for simple "GET request spam" DDOS attacks to take down a website (especially on dynamic, DB-driven sites). CF in this situation is helping these site owners take the easy road and recaptcha DDOS attacks instead of scaling up servers or having to implement smart caching strategies.
When I worked for Audi in Germany, they had 1Gpbs internet.

Maybe German government wants everyone to work for big German companies instead of small ones.
How is that true? You'd expect radicalization to decrease on 8chan since that was clearly not censoring them..
Didn’t know 8chan hosted their stuff at Voxility, it’s a small world. I’m saying this because Voxility is a Romanian company, I am Romanian, and my company used to also host our stuff at their premises until 3 or 4 years ago.

I remember that on one of my visits there (there was always a hard-drive that needed to be handed in person or something like that) I’m 100% sure that I had bumped into what looked to be an FBI team inspecting some of the machines in there. I’m saying FBI but they could also have been the the US Secret Service or whatever agency is in charge with protecting US citizens against online bad things, in any case, the people I saw inspecting stuff were definetely people working for the US government, you could tell by their pants and the way they matched (or, better yet, how they didn’t match) with their white snickers.

All this to say that I’m pretty sure that the US 3-letter agencies had direct physical access to the 8chan servers, not sure how they let all this get so out of control.
technical skills are necessary to make educated decisions and judgments. Managers on high tech projects without such skills blindly shuffle people between roles usually base on which person is nicer to talk.
weird flex but ok
Um no. The reason these people hate and want to kill immigrants is not because they've been censored. Grow up.
Out of all the internet contrarian arguments Ive seen this is one of the best.
That’s one way to get onto a list.
110 CAD (~83 USD) for 7Mbps Down 0.5Mbps Up in Atlantic Canada.
> Your goal at any instant is to maximize the profit of your next few moments of investing.

Not at all. My goal with investing is "How do I get a good return on investment in the next X amount of time?", for various values of X that tend to be as long as reasonably possible.

> The farmer may do better to unload his hens, life off of cattle for a few years, and then move back to hens.

The comment you're responding to gave an example of hens dropping in price. That's the worst time to unload them. Trying to time the market is a great way to buy high and sell low.
Those bureaucrats are appointed at the whim of the President, and occasionally through a senate confirmation, both of which are elected offices.

> and barely answer to someone who did.

Their hiring is done by elected officials. Their employment and power, aside from a few positions, which are fixed-term, is contingent on the whims of those elected officials.

Just because Congress has been very busy with abdicating all responsibility for governing the country to the executive (Works great when Obama's in charge, because you can blame him for the milk going sour, works great when Trump's in charge, because he can take all the bad PR), doesn't mean that the bureaucrats don't answer to anyone.
Thank you. I knew this was a thing but I never knew what to call it.
Show HN: Tranqap – remote network packet capturing tool
"Investing" in bitcoin is like collecting stamps. It doesn't create any value for anyone.

Investing in Joe's Can Factory allows Joe to make more cans.
At what year does this happen? I'm 57 and finding it harder than ever to land a position this time around, just when one would think otherwise...
Yeah, we were totally ignorant on PartiQL until your post. Although now looking at it, looks boss! Totally agrees with many of our theses, and there looks to be a lot to glean from this project as well.
Seems like this:

You can of course branch on the array element types and maybe even
paper over the whole mess with sufficient macrology (which is what
LLA ended up doing), but this approach is not very extensible, as
eventually you end up hardcoding a few special types for which your
functions will be "fast", otherwise they have to fall back to a
generic, boxed type.

is exactly what numpy/scipy is doing (s/macrology/c-functions/), but they are successful.. granted julia has more ground-up support for these things, but it doesn't seem like an impediment to scientific computing per-se, provided sufficient userbase
> A number of isolated extremist cells are probably also easier to deal with for law enforcement, //

I'd expect stuff done in the open on 'chan sites to be much easier to monitor than stuff done in private encrypted channels elsewhere.

>Also, it seems like the group egging them on motivates these shooters. //

In private where all the voices coalesce around a single ideology then the effect (Echo Chamber) makes it appear that _everyone_ [who matters] shares that ideal.

Moreover, it's easier to "other" the out group, make them in to a caricature; dehumanise them. (See 2-party political systems!)

Cults don't operate in the open, forcing people underground creates a sort of cultist environment.

Contact with genuine people who are considered part of the out-group appears to be highly effective in breaking down these sorts of barriers .. that can happen on generalist sites but will never happen in closed ideology-bad groups.

It seems to me that shutting down places like 8chan is going to lead to _more_ radicalised groups (that are more extremely radicalised), though they may be smaller groups and a smaller overall population. I think bigger, less cohesive, in-the-open groups are easier to monitor and take action against when necessary.

I wonder if there are any useful models that can give actionable input to this question.
The memo, since it's not actually linked in this Vice article, for anyone who would rather read the source material than the editorializing:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6240022-I-m-Not-Retu...
>>>Do we really need to talk about closing down a site where people encourage each other to kill other people (no matter who does it)?

That's a fairly simple metric. So you're saying we can finally shut down Twitter?

https://youtu.be/n2Gu7NqsCfg
Depends on the person. A lot of people would definitely count that as experience.

Also, if you save up now, there's a chance that a recession could bring housing prices back down... so at least you have that going for you?
It's not just Germany. Tons of places in the US have crappy internet connection. I'm average 2-3Mbps on really good days, on a bad day, I see below 1. On Comcast, $40 a month plan, suppose to be at least 10Mbps, it's not my modem. I was getting up to 15Mbps when I was paying $80 and suppose to get 50Mbps. It's oversubscribed or capped by Comcast. No competition, no other providers.
Certain things must be pretty cool/groundbreaking though. Just watching things like Youtube videos about how VPC works is pretty amazing. I won't let that blind me to the fact that the company seems pretty toxic.
> I guess you could say that free speech has limits that are acceptable.

widely known and not really legally disputed.

> You know you can't yell fire in a crowded room and not get litigation and charges brought against you.

this seems like empty rhetoric; we already know that there are classes of speech that aren't 1A protected. this isn't controversial.

> If 8Chan was a breeding ground for Islamic Extremists would people be okay with still existing?

whether or not people "are okay" with something isn't relevant when discussing the legality of said thing, which seems to be what the rest of your post is focused on. so this seems like a red herring, or alternatively, the rest of your post was a red herring.

if your line of reasoning about the closure is legally oriented, then i'm sure you can find lots of things people aren't okay with, e.g. campaign finance.
>Charlottesville, where people showed up to try to shout over the white nationalists and it just ended up with a bunch of people getting run over by a car. As if something like that happening wasn't entirely predictable.

Why disparage the innocent victims a politically-motivated terrorist? Because they "shouted" at the very extremists who celebrated that act of murder?
> Cloudflare provides services to a number of Islamist terror organizations

yes, and that entire article is about people trying to get them to take them down and the criminal statute they're using to force the issue, which is part of the GP's point. Not a lot of folks in the federal government hand wringing about deplatforming on that one.
They only keep their jobs through the administrations when they do as they are told. If the president wants to change a department's policy, and the department pushes back, he can fire as many directors as he needs to.
Reducing the subjective evaluation of the content of private citizens' speech.

[Edit: Why would you down-vote? That's the legitimate interest on the other side of the balance. It's not an opinion on the merit of shutting down 8chan. In this case, the benefit in permitting this speech may be grossly outweighed by the benefit of stopping it, but the benefit in allowing 8chan to continue to exist is non-zero. In its most nefarious use, subjective elimination of speech to subvert the speech's goal is commonly known as "censorship".]
Unless you lose your job during said recession and struggle to find another.
Faced with similar issue, thanks for useful info guys!
Totally agree. But also one needs to say that this is of course the tip of the ice berg. I don't think people land there right away, but rather start maybe at some "normal" YouTube video's comment section or the comment section of some politics focussed news site.

People voice their trashy opinions there - which is totally fine - but there are so few balancing/calming opinions. Especially if you have some conspiracy affine news site/YT video, these balancing/calming opinions are just not present.

My conclusion at the moment is that more balanced people (no, not bots :)) should visit these sites and write calming/positive comments. Dialogue has become pretty unfashionable in 2019, monologues seem to have become the norm unfortunately although I think there is hope.
There are many areas where only 16Mbit are available max, some even only with 6Mbit. When buying a house, checking your potential internet connection with the providers is crucial, even for houses that are close to big cities. Where I live, in a city neighbouring Frankfurt, 50Mbit has only been available for about 4 years now.
If it's marginal enough to give you pause for more than a few seconds, down-vote it. If HN becomes too dry and technical there's always Reddit...
But, again, you need to making enough money from dividends to be able to reinvest. What about the guy with a $1,000 portfolio, or all the retail rubes with small portfolios on Robinhood?
I don't think that is how they come about. It is about recruitment and ideals and how they spread not about being banned on other platforms. If they could discuss saving the white race with violence on reddit or hackernews nothing would change more than they would have more potential recruits.
There is a concept of named capturing groups:

https://www.regular-expressions.info/named.html
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Right, all those people who were having fun on 8chan will now see the error of their ways, take up sensitivity training, and post only non-controversial things where ever they land next.
"name dropping" is a type of fallacy – argument from authority fallacy. https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla...
So imagine you own a bunch of ponds and let groups of people use them. Some people use them for breeding goldfish. Some use them for canoe races. Some for swim meets.

But one of the biggest ponds you own lies still and stagnant. A perfect place for mosquitos to lay their eggs. In fact you’ve managed to make it especially hospitable to mosquitos that carry malaria. And all your other ponds are next to it, all your other ponds connect to it. Lots of people who come to your ponds for other things end up with malaria.

Should you be allowed to keep operating these ponds?
This analysis is completely wrong. Defamation has a fairly clear definition, causes specific damages, and is directed at an individual.

Hate speech is almost the definitive slippery slope, the definition changes in real-time and can easily and always expand.
Devil's advocate:

The moral reasoning behind restraining the government from denying speech and other rights is that the government is a monopoly (in this case of force). This reasoning extends to restrictions on the ability of other monopolies, such as local utilities, to deny service.

If every service provider with the capacity to serve the needs of Website X were to deny service, the DE FACTO effect is precisely the same as a single monopoly doing so. In which case, the moral reasoning behind restraint of government and other monopolies comes into play.
As I said: article doesn't state there is any actual finding of such things.