skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
By the way, "recession" doesn't mean the same thing as "stock market crash". The definition of a recession requires GDP to go down for two consecutive quarters. Although there is some correlation it's still completely possible for GDP to go down while the market goes up. So even if you correctly predict a recession, you won't necessarily be able to predict the market.
There's an extremely long tail of terribly damaged human beings and relationships, once you get past all the mass murderers and white supremacists that 8chan and 4chan have inspired.
Then they're shitty companies that you shouldn't work for, either.

I read scarface's comment as implying that every company is equally shitty, the only distinction being that some have been given the opportunity to show their ass and some haven't.

My counter argument is that companies that are actively doing bad things are worse than companies that aren't.
The number of retail closings announced so far in 2019 has already topped 2018
I've seen this line being trotted out by people supporting 8chan and their ilk a lot lately. "If you censor them they'll get even more violent." Regardless of your opinions on free speech, it sounds to me that cutting off the hub for these groups to network, encourage, indoctrinate and manipulate is much more likely to reduce violence than incite it.
thank you so much for putting the Popper quote here. This is the first I have heard of it, but it sounds very reasonable.
Frankly, I don't know what a specific legal criteria might even look like. In fact, I'm not even sure I'd like someone smarter than me with legal street credentials to come up with one.

What I do know is that SCOTUS famously refused to define what porn is [0], and went instead with something to the effect of: I know it when I see it, and this is not it.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it

Methinks we as a society can arrive to similar types of rulings for intolerance.
Years ago, I worked at a big aerospace company (that no longer exists). I was hiring a small team of software engineers. I was flat out told not to hire anyone who was, or wanted to be, pregnant. Why? Health care cost. We were self-insured, and a baby born with severe health problems could bankrupt our plan.
> Assuming you have already agreed to legally binding arbitration as is pretty much standard in all employee contracts (although thankfully a recent law banned this practice in California for employees hired in 2019 or later), how useful is it to go to a lawyer? It just seems like the system is designed to work against you.

State laws trump agreements one makes with a company.
I don't think 8chan was exactly a good site, but I'd still put it in the category of "internet-neutral". There's some horrible stuff there (which is all you really hear about), a lot of neutral stuff and a little bit of good.

IMO the reason Cloudflare took down TDS and 8chan but not the Taliban or Hamas is simply outgroup vs fargroup. [0] The operators, users and targets of 8chan or TDS are all familiarly western but different enough to hate, while islamic terror organizations are so different it's hard to relate to them - sort of like that joke about how the more similar two religious denominations are, the more likely it is that they hate the other. [1]

0: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anythin...

1: https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2005/sep/29/comedy.religio...
Yet those same workers the industry loves to poison will fight tooth and nail to keep working in the mines, up to and including voting for someone who will work to remove any and all benefits that would try to cover for that coal mine's negligence
>Personally I'm in agreement with Popper's view that societies should tolerate everything except intolerance.

That invariably forces the political landscape to move to the left. Which, I guess, is the intended result of holding that point of view.
A rocket launch company website with an order form and fields labelled "Desired orbit", "Launch date" and "Payload mass". What time to be alive :)
People keep telling "they are a peivate company, they can serve whoever they". Can they really? Can I open a shop that doesn't serve people with political view X? Or religion? Race?
Who has a higher body count in the West, Alt-Righters or ISIS?
Note that requiring a server account login before the user is allowed to manage a Bluetooth device is an explicit violation of the App Store Review Guidelines, so now that awareness is being drawn to this lock they may find themselves banned on iOS soon unless they fix it.
Imagine an alternate scenario. Say the major tech companies get fed up with Elizabeth Warren's calls to regulate them.

Facebook removes all her groups. Cloudflare shuts down her websites. Youtube removes her videos. Google only leaves anti-Elizabeth Warren search results up, etc. Basically a major presidential candidate is completely locked out of having any pretense on the Internet whatsoever.

How many people who hold the above position, would say "yeah, this is fine. These are just private companies choosing who they want to associate with. Free speech doesn't apply here."
I dunno, I couldn’t read the entire memo (it just felt too long) and I’m uninterested in Vice’s editorializing.

That said, I just don’t love the way the original thing was handled. A manager made some comments, it was totally feasible to just ignore them, or to make a bit of a wisecrack or say directly “hey, that feels a little harsh, no?”

Instead you go to HR.

I don’t know, people say dumb or insensitive things all the time. I would be loathe to make it a formal issue unless I really thought something harmful was going on.

Edit: obviously I wasn’t there, and I possibly don’t understand the nuances. It’s just a gut reaction.
>Several of these extremist sites even forbid and censor attempts at calm, level-headed rebuttals to such hatred

Can you provide an example of one of these sites? They seem very open to free discussion. 8chan is full of delusional liberals trying to "rebut" the "hatred". They don't get censored, they just get destroyed in honest debate because they are completely ignorant about the things they are trying to argue.
Even the dark corners of the internet need to have limits
Thank you for taking all that time to clarify this for me.
It is censorship, but there is nothing morally wrong with a private organization or person censoring speech on property they own. They have no obligation legally or morally to participate in speech they disagree with. The immoral act would be to force against their will a private organization or person to participate in speech with which they disagree.
> The viewpoint that "it's okay to kick 8chan off the internet" is not consistent with the viewpoint that "the internet should be neutral infrastructure".

I'd rephrase the first: "it's okay for 8chan to be kicked off the internet, if there is no one who is willing to host it".

> It's like saying "you can say anything you want, but we won't let you use the atmosphere to propagate the sound waves".

And what you are saying is more like "I have the right to say anything I want but I'm too lazy to move the muscles of my face, so everyone (those who I point at, actually, by calling them EVIL MONOPOLIES) MUST help me in this noble mission of spreading the truth".
I think people generally don't have a problem with forums where the moderator declares upfront that access is subject to the whims of the owner which can and will be capricious. Certainly, I see some threads now and again where people complain about such and suck, but locking the thread and telling people if they bring it up again they'll get banned is usually enough to get people back on topic. Sure, it's a brutal dictatorship, but whatever, everybody knew it was at the start. I'm certainly not on HN because of its dedication to free speech, it's in part because of the swift and effective moderation that eliminates most off-topic stuff.

The problem I have is if one of the services that says they'll provide services to everyone, especially those that say they support free speech, turn around and say we'll provide services to everyone, unless we agree that they're really reprehensible and our paying customers threaten to leave; in that case, we don't care so much about free speech or universal access.

Having a MFFAM policy[1] seems like a much more honest approach to being a free speech supporter. Of course, if you have a free tier, it's hard to take the free you're getting from the customer whose views you don't like and send it off to an organization that opposes those views.

[1] https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/faq#BecauseFuckNazisT...
> No. Must I be to show someone the community's proverbial door?

Speaking for the whole site like that comes off as rather pompous. Not to mention the comment is now "in the black" on points, so it's not even clear that the community even agrees with you.
> No one should be able to dictate what the proper "just and ethical outcomes" should be

Not only is every human _able_ to dictate what "just and ethical outcomes" are, we're _obliged_ to, if we intend to form civil society.

> Is today's morality the end of all things?

No, of course not. Everyone is obliged to continuously engage in the conversation, to push the course of all society away from suffering and toward justice.
I can't say I've ever noticed cell phone reception outside of the immediate Furnace Creek area but it's possible you can pick something up from whatever is up on the mountains in some locations.
The open conccurent to the runtime api is SYCL.
Here's a thing - the current legal framework means that manager's dislike to a pregnant woman is basically irrelevant.
My first reaction was: since when does the Dow have its own currency?
What is Cloudflare's share anyway? Akamai would be #1, right?
RE2 regular expression syntax reference
According to HR, there was a documented history of inappropiate remarks on part of the author's manager. On the basis of available evidence, it's reasonable that those remarks are genuine, too.
Hong Kong was created from scratch under British rule -- it was a sleepy village that the British identified as a terrific potential deep water port. This is important in understanding the current crisis there-- there's a degree of historical and cultural separation from "mainland" China in Hong Kong's roots.
One would want strong evidence for such a likelihood, of course. Evidence such as, for example, it having already done so three times before.
Well, mass shootings tend to be indiscriminate once they get started.

Those motivated by animus towards a minority group do generally target areas frequented by members of that group, like in the Texas shooting where the gunman targeted a Walmart in a largely Hispanic community. As a non-Hispanic white person (who lives in the US), that does put me at less risk of being a victim of that type of shooting. Also, to the extent that terrorism’s impact is emotional rather than purely rational, I’m less impacted simply
because I don’t feel targeted in the same way.

Nevertheless, I wouldn’t say the risk is zero; it’s not impossible that I could be in a place like that when the next shooting happens. So I have at least a bit of skin in the game.

Edit: Also, while perhaps not 8chan specifically, Internet forums have been implicated in shootings that weren’t targeting ethnic groups and thus would put me at more risk. An example would be Elliot Rodger’s shooting, which was driven by a hatred of women, but ended up killing an equal number of men and women (not too surprising, since people don’t self-segregate by gender to the same extent they do by race and religion).
> Anyone seeking to empower governments to limit freedom of speech is in the unethical position

Government isn't separate from society, it is composed of society, and the voice with which a society enacts its will.

If government is corrupt, the solution is to fix government, not strip government of its necessary and ethical power.
>> People who die from alcohol-related deaths have a choice whether or not to consume alcohol.

That's not always true - many people die as the innocent victims in DUI collisions. If there were more people dying innocently from alcohol, would you support shutting down bars that had been used by people who drove drunk, because other individuals lost their freedom?
Well, that's the question.

I'm not saying I disagree with you, evidently; the line in which we draw "utility" is a discussion that I really don't know that I have a good viewpoint. Are you entitled to having a soapbox to shout off of? I'm genuinely not sure.
Yes, no and no, at least in the USA.
> We should be reaching out to these people and at least trying to wrestle them back to sanity.

If you believe that's what we should be doing, why aren't you doing that? There are people right here in this thread you could be reaching out to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20617883
Thanks for the kind words!

We see many large && important problems to solve in this space. Successful solutions will demand a long-term mindset but we are hopeful the right combination of product + technology + capital will unlock tremendous impact and value.
Paying off a mortgage also reduces your liquidity, which is a risk itself.
Maybe you should care about what they are doing to their employees. What you experience might have something to do with your identity, which I don’t know.
It could have been a logical decision, something along the lines of "you said you're going to use maternity leave in a casual conversation, why don't you pass that report off now to so and so in case they need to ask you questions about it before you are gone for an extended period".

At my last job I was a contractor and took over a retired employee's desk/duties. She has apparently quit doing any actual real work months before and was just doing a small percentage of her work and not documenting what random bits she had actually been doing, I spent 2 months just trying to sort it out with the agency complaining to my employer that I wasn't doing anything, despite the fact I had literal boxes full of printouts and every surface in my cubicle covered, including most of the floor, with stacks of spreadsheets and records trying to figure out what she'd move from what account to which accounts going through highlighters like crazy highlighting stuff once i was confident a specific line for a specific office for a specific month for a specific bill had in fact been moved out of the field office account into the main GSA account for that type of entry, all while trying to keep up on the incoming stuff.
Why can't I just WORK?
I've been struggling with this problem for many years. It sounds so simple, there must be more to it.

Basically, I have a really hard time just sitting down and doing the work I need to do. I'm just as capable of doing the work as my co-workers are. But I get far less done than them. To some degree, I guess it's procrastination, but it seems like it goes beyond that. Right now it is an hour before I need to be at work. I can think of about twenty things that I should work on. There are four or five things that absolutely MUST get done today. I tell myself - I am going to go to the office, sit down and immediately start working. It is very simple. But years of history tell me that won't happen.

I'll get to the office. Get a cup of coffee. Check the news websites. Check my email. Tell myself to get to work. Keep surfing the web. Do 10 minutes of work. Check my email again. Go to lunch. And so on. This is SO FRUSTRATING. Consciously, it seems incredibly obvious that I need to just stop browsing the dang web and do my work. But for some reason, it almost never happens. Some times over the course of my career, I've been able to fix this problem for a few days or even a week or two, but then I lapse into the same habits.

One possibly related issue I've noticed is that as soon as I run against ANY difficulty in a task, I instinctively want to stop working on it. I don't think this is at the root of all of my problems, but it does exacerbate them because once I do finally force myself to work, it can be short-lived.

I really need to fix this. If I didn't have these habits, I would be much higher up in my company I am sure - I am actually very good at my job when I do it. I've tried normal strategies like keeping to do lists and I read Getting Things Done and tried to follow it for a while, but it didn't really help that much.

Has anyone else struggled with something like this? Can anyone tell me what's wrong with me? How do I break this habit?
That’s Telus’ fibre optic offering. You can see an overview of their plans here: https://www.clearwest.ca/telus-home-solutions/telus-internet.... Although this claims they are metered, Telus now claims they are not (at least, in my community).

And a bit more about the 750 plan here https://www.telus.com/en/deals-and-bundles/internet-750. The 150 404s on their website at the moment https://www.telus.com/en/shop/home/product/internet-150-150 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Th exact prices you see seem to vary depending on where it thinks you are, and it requires a street address and unit number to quote you exactly what I get quoted. I’m not going to give you my address to verify my prices, because I didn’t just fall off a turnip truck.

But if you google around you’ll see their pretty typical (eg. googling “telus internet 750 review” will give you a result that links to Telus’ page with Google adding that there’s a price range of $95-$140)

edit: more info, if you’re really curious https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r30805481-Telus-fibre-towns...
While that may be "HN Wisdom", when it comes to these sentences, "HR exists to protect the company, full stop. They are only interested in the workers insofar as they reveal potential legal liabilities for the company.", I usually see HN folk only think about the first sentence and forget about the second one.

That is, often times an employee and the company share a mutual interest because of the risk of liability, and it's good to understand this, because as an employee this can help you. As jedberg said in a comment above, this is one reason maybe while going to a third party (e.g. complaining to someone else, who then brings that to HR) can help. In that case, it's not so much "you vs. your adversary", but both the person reporting to HR and HR itself share the viewpoint of "If we don't stop this person he could get us sued."
Looks like the standard is there hasn’t been enough bad press about their material support of those terrorist orgs yet. They clearly wait for the public outrage before acting.
"Give an inch give a mile"

It's the ability to chip away at free speech. First 8chan, then something else that's bad, then something slightly intolerant, then what? Is it really worth censoring when something else will pop up to take it's place? Monitor and move on.
> No, of course not. Everyone is obliged to continuously engage in the conversation, to push the course of all society away from suffering and toward justice.

Well how the fuck are you supposed to be able to do this if all wrongthink is banned? Because things like "women are equal to men", "race doesn't matter", "slavery is wrong", etc were most certainly wrongthink to begin with.
Losing access to a lock is bad stuff. I went with a smart lock that has a physical key.

The article says don't buy a smart-lock, but the convenience of having one-time access codes, scheduled access, delivery access, and linked to a security camera make the downsides (increased attack vectors) something I'm willing to live with.
It means that basically the tarriffs have been wiped out and chinese savings took the hit.
In the Old Testament, Moloch was another tribe's god, and so was a competitor to Yahweh (the Jewish/Christian/Muslim god). The OT doesn't actually say there aren't other gods, but rather that you should only worship Yahweh. The OT describes Yahweh as one god among many others, although he does get credit for creation to make him seem stronger than those other gods. That eventually morphed into the notion that there were no other gods at all, many centuries later, and those competing gods got grandfathered in to being thought of as demons and devils within the framework of monotheistic Christianity (not sure about their role in Judaism). In a similar way, pagan gods got grandfathered in to being Christian saints in many cases, and pagan holidays turned into Christian holidays.

So: Moloch is a demon, according to Christianity. And I'm guessing the software involves a daemon process? So...yeah. Real clever. That's some really sophisticated humor there. Waka waka waka!
“And as your bank, we keep a record of your PIN so we can check you’ve entered it correctly. We store them in a particularly secure part of our systems, and tightly control who at Monzo can access them.”
What? They store device PINs? I worked on several mobile banking apps and although not directly on the crypto part - I know that the PIN never left the device and the bank didn’t know the PIN. It was just a part for generating/signing operations. I think an SRP (secure remote password) protocol was used in this case - where the password is never transferred over the wire.
What did Sweden get so right with internet that Germany got so wrong??
Your definition of "justice" is warped beyond recognition. Justice doesn't mean bad things don't happen, it means people who wrong others pay for their actions.

Thousands of people every year are randomly murdered for no good reason. Many actually never get closed, meaning no one actually goes to jail or gets punished for their murder. These people actually don't receive justice, but obviously we can't live in a perfect society.

You're oversimplifying a complex issue to accuse others of being heartless. It's the lazy moralizing of tyranny.
they'll just find another hub to congregate, but now we don't know where to reach them to talk

You don't.
Odds are you had some male software engineers. Did management forbid you to hire any that were married, cohabiting, or considering the possibility? Or did the big aerospace company not insure families?
Anyone who hasn't realized that this is about more than economics is deluding themselves. This is about a struggle for global supremacy between two nations with wildly different views about reality.

The CCP does not believe in the rights of the individual and holds an iron grip on China. It is instituting policies straight out of an Orwellian dystopia and wants to export its model around the world.

The most powerful nation sets the world agenda, whether we like that or not. The United States cannot allow China to set the agenda.
Just sent a request. Thanks!
There's RELP[1] but if you can don't use syslog's protocol. You could use something like the beat protocol (if using ELK stack) or just a plain old message queue. Things like logstash (and fluentd etc) can have multiple input/output targets.

You'd have something like filebeat or fluentd reading the logs locally and then shipping via that protocol to a central system where they'd be ingested. For application logging, definitely use structured data (like JSON, for example) over log-lines. It's easier to parse in the long-run.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliable_Event_Logging_Protoco...
Imagine an alternate scenario.

Say the major tech companies get fed up with Elizabeth Warren's calls to regulate them.

Facebook removes all her groups. Cloudflare shuts down her websites. Youtube removes her videos. Google only leaves anti-Elizabeth Warren search results up, etc. Basically a major presidential candidate is completely locked out of having any presence on the Internet whatsoever.

Would your reaction be the same? "This has nothing to do with free speech. These are merely private companies deciding they don't want to associate with Elizabeth Warren."
> Why are there not FBI agents in /pol/ on 8chan actively chasing up leads on people who are threatening violence?
There are. And not only on 8chan.