skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Interesting article, though I find some of the reached conclusions somewhat unexpected:

> The issue is not just about making graphic content disappear. Platforms need to better recognize when content is right for some and not for others, when finding what you searched for is not the same as being invited to see more, and when what‘s good for the individual may not be good for the public as a whole.

> And these algorithms are optimized to serve the individual wants of individual users; it is much more difficult to optimize them for the collective benefit.

This seems to suggest that the psychological effects of recommenders and "engagement maximizers" are not problematic per se - but today are simply not used with the right objectives in mind.

I find this view problematic, because "what's good for the public" is so vaguely defined, especially if you divorce it from "what's good for the individual". In the most extreme cases, this could even justify actively driving people into depression or self-harm if you determined that they would otherwise channel their pain into political protests.

If we're looking for a metric, how about keeping it at an individual level but trying to maximize the long-term wellbeing?
It is when you're in a raid and there are dozens of spells going off all around you. They have however made some tweaks recently, but it's still not incredibly well optimized.
How the fuck would your grandparents experiences "ripple down" to you. Did you even bother thinking about how the causation would happen?
All of this research is obviously more bullshit zionist pseudoscience to excuse their crimes around the world and especially in palestine. They want to bring more attention back to the holocaust.
> like a ripple effect.

I like to visualize it as a shock wave, propagating in the future, hitting generations as it advances. I can very clearly see it on my family.
These numbers have always been marketing driven. Just like with cars: is there any sense to the way BMW models are named?

In this case it's probably intended to invoke the GTX 660 in the minds of customers, since that was a very successful and well-loved card when it was released.
His whole point is that the individuals that make up a startup don't want to live in the Bay Area anymore because of cost of living and other factors.
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You should be allowed to customize the whitelist; such whitelisting should not be hard-coded.
The content of https://github.com/BuxtonTheRed/btrmisc/blob/master/fb-643-e... is sure pretty embarrassing
I think it could happen if the incentives are set up differently, otherwise right now you spend time and effort training people only to have them change jobs in 2 years at a better company.
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I understand your point, parents and society as general are responsible for the people they create, however, please consider that the line between online and offline life is getting ever blurrier, specially for younger generation.

When large media outlets* are not mindful of the kind of content they push to younger people, they're failing the society and should be hold responsible for it, this of course, is not mutually exclusive with parents responsibility for monitoring what kind of content their children are consuming.

* I am intentionally using the term media-outlet instead of social-media to bring the parallel with television and radio. Consider how you would think if TV or Radio pushed graphic content for audience they did as matter of fact know are kids?
Agree with the assumption, disagree with the conclusion.

Optimizing for that as a founder only doesn’t make sense, but when your investor money is trying to chase after $1B+ grand slams to make up for the dozens of failures, it probably makes a lot more sense.
There is no need to defend markets. There are lot of factors that contribute to wholesome life that have nothing to do with money and status.

Just recognising this does not mean you are "anti-market".

Thank you for your beautiful story that highlights this!
Apple Map - Outside of US, Apple Map is literally useless in Asia. It is very good in China because all mapping Data belongs to Government. It was OK last time I used it in UK, but failed in many other parts of Europe.

Apple Music - It took them years to add basic thing like lyrics. Songs Selection were far inferior to Spotify on International Level. Songs are missing on a yearly License renewal basis. And when they were added back, they have a different ID so your previous play list don't include them anymore.

Apple Pay - Pay Cash only in US. Many of the Points and Rewards System aren't even available when using it. They are finally figuring out Transit, but it is slow process.

Apple News - Outside US?

iMessages - I know many are happy with it. But the system constantly have issues with Groups where some people don't receive message. Comparatively Line, KakaoTalk, WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal, etc... None of them had any problems.
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This is a really over the top one sided presentation.

The thread being mourned was continually full of really shockingly horrible stuff. Straight faced technobabble laden arguments for genocide and such. A reliable go-to for "oh-shit,-humanity-is-screwed" porn.

It was impossible to tell how much of it was actually awful people earnestly advancing awful ideas vs screwed up performance art with people intentionally posting the worst stuff they could think of just for shock value or to mock the fact that participants there responded so embarrassingly to so much of it. ... but I don't think that is a defense of it at all, it's an indictment.

I had previously believed (and people who knew Scott personally lead me to believe...) that the thread was created as a tarpit for trolls and people with absurdly repugnant views to waste each others time in a place where other people could ignore it-- rather than these discussions invading every other thread and making them useless to the majority of people who want nothing to do with that stuff-- who feel they morally can't just sit and pretend its okay to advance horrible policies but also don't want to waste their lives rehashing ethical arguments that most people considered settled a century ago. The "designated crap thread" approach is sometimes more effective than punting the sources outright (and also less harmful to false positives)...

This post strongly indicates otherwise and is causing me a vertigo inducing shift in how I perceive the author and his community.

I couldn't be more disappointed. And I'm only left hoping that the support of that toxicity expressed in Scott's post is an emotional retaliation to the despicable harassment he reported experiencing ... rather than an earnest position.

I feel like a lot of the HN commentary is essentially unrelated to the actual 'event' -- The 'deplatforming' trend is concerning... but that doesn't really tell us much about this particular venue. Especially since it continues to exist and hasn't in fact, been subject to deplatforming or anything similar. The connection only goes in so far as some of the same pressures probably exists, but I would be a lot more interested in hearing what went on behind some actual major deplatforming incidents. (Medium killing gab.ai's post explaining why they didn't believe their actions supported hate crimes would be an interesting candidate, since it was a meta-deplatforming, so doubly removed from most pragmatic tradeoffs...)
I miss Morph's Outpost and Kai Krause.
I wonder how many people read "RIP" as "Rest In Peace" and were really confused by the article.
Board members have a portfolio of firms they are on, so they are less exposed to any single firm than staff. They are also part of the group that might be named CEO if a new one is needed, so it's in their interest to keep compensation high.
Instagram thinks you want to starve yourself to death when you search for #fasting and offers help... but has no problem with #bingeeating or #meth...

Maybe it's not only algorithms that have a problem: I think it's our very belief that Instagram should do something to curb certain ideas and push others that's wrong.
I believe these papers made some attempts to avoid seeing the effects of draft-dodging. For example one of them goes only by draft numbers, without looking at who actually fought, and finds worse outcomes among the children of the group with bad numbers (fighters and dodgers) compared to good numbers. But I don't know enough details to say whether some biases remain.

Indeed "McNamara's Morons" is a pretty crazy story. Turns out the army had rules for who to recruit for a good reason.
I think that's exactly the problem today. Companies have gotten too large and too centralized. It's not clear whether they are still getting economies of scale (they're usually highly inefficient -- lots of places to hide), or rather "succeeding" as monopolies.
>People don't kill themselves just because they see graphic content

This was never the point. The article describes how people who have a predisposition to self-harm get an above-average amount of content related to that, which just compounds the negative feelings they may already have and thus possibly accelerate them actually making the step of harming themselves. Respectfully, but you seem very insensitive to the subject matter.
Then just use GitHub or GitLab pages and you're done
It will obviously be automated. Which means more false positive like for content id.
What is your scale? I think a single engineer given sharp tools and a limited amount of services to deploy can support probably hundreds of systems -- this can be a vast amount of compute and storage given the state of today's hardware.
I think he speaks for anyone who understands basic human behavioral genetics.
> So like USB2 becoming USB3, or Java 1.4 going to 5, or Thunderbird going from 3 straight to 5.

Or AngularJS 1.8 going to a complete fucking mess.
Yeah docker was just an example of modern binary dependencies. We tend to forget that kind of pain since many modern languages strongly favour source dependencies (every user of a library ends up compiling it from sources).
I have blacklisted medium.com so I will remember to never go their site. It works.
Here's Matt Hancock's letter to IT companies: https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1089864139835670528

He's current secratary of state for the department of health and social care. He's by far the most tech-orientated SoS we've had for years, doing a lot of work to push digital in health. He's rampantly pro-IT.

Sometimes when politicians make requests like this (make it harder to access images of self harm) people dismiss them as "think of the children". That would be a mistake here. He's not asking for all images to be removed; he is asking for the malgorithmic pushing of self harm content to vulnerable people to be fixed.

People sometimes complain about laws that appear out of the blue. His tweet above is the start of a long slow proces of building a law. It's a clear warning: get better at self-regulating, or we'll regulate you.

The lead for suicide prevention in the UK (Professor Louis Appleby) has this to say: https://twitter.com/ProfLAppleby/status/1089528954158043136

"Self-harm images on Instagram just part of problem we need to address. In our national study, 1/4 under 20s who died by suicide had relevant internet use & most common was searching for info on methods"

and this: https://twitter.com/ProfLAppleby/status/1089525522084884480

"Important change in political/social attititude. Just a few years ago, internet seen as free space, no restrictions, complete lack of interest in #suicideprevention from big companies. Now mood is for regulation, social responsibility, safety."

Finally, here's my example of malogrithm ad placement. I've mentioned this example before, and I think it got fixed (so thank you if you fixed it!) but I search for suicide related terms for my work, and sometimes the ads are terrible.

https://imgur.com/hhOYUJb
I think the Devil and Daniel Webster is a better reference here - if you chop down all the laws and norms that shield the Devil what is left to shield you?

By condoning silencing there is the risk you will be silenced - and the article demonstrates how the same means of suppression may be applied when your norms are judged unacceptable and it is intolerable for another to not censor.

Both have valid points and the precise answer is likely nuanced and/or a matter of opinion.
I agree that it's not totally obvious to new customers, but it's also no that hard: within a generation, the relative performance of the cards corresponds to the order of model numbers. "ti" cards are more powerful than non-"ti".

Between generations, the whole line moves up something like one level of performance, so an (X)70 should be compared against an (X-1)80 and so on.

It's not the simplest thing, but I think most people will do research once the first time they buy a GPU, and then you have your mental model from then on.
That's correct. Avo today is particularly designed for consistency issues. Coverage issues are top of our mind though, and we have some internal tools for that that we're excited to share soon.
Thanks for taking the time to clarify.
Yes and No. in some cases these are known dog whistles - the user later goes to other forums and talks about how they “succeeded”.

In other cases, it highlights my point - it is a subversive form of hate speech and it gets past the mod team:, and starts the radicalization process Or polarizing process.

On the other hand it may be a genuine comment, naturally arrived at by a user, but it pattern matches with the mod team and it gets removed.

For example an old argument which is now easily refuted is “brownies have larger families, and their growth rates are over taking natives!”

That’s a factually correct argument, but it’s an incorrect conclusion which takes (took) advantage of average user ignorance.

But the other issue is that this thread stays up, other people who come across it get “red pilled” or “triggered”.

Subsequently the thread becomes a source for flame wars, “engagement”, and propagates schisms in the community.

In the end moderators have to act based on the taxonomy of ideas presented, not their possible sincerity. Leaving it up will only cause further damages.

As a result moderators, (probably like the police) drift away from the average user views and behaviors.

This is the fundamental crux of the moderation problem, if not of communication itself : we can never know the intent behind a statement.

Is it a sincerely held view by someone who is not a Bigot or racist? Or is it sinister and malignant sentences designed to get past moderators and radicalize/convert users and disrupt other communities ?
I am not sure an engineering discipline would go as bad as law: in law, the people you know and the calibre of your University have a larger impact on your chances, while in engineering your abilities aree a greater component. Or so I like to think.
"The slowest" by which measure?
The first rule of leadership is to never post articles on medium.com

Such a dark-patterned mess.
I've seen posts from families with autistic children saying, effectively, "just because it's a spectrum doesn't mean you're on it".

Personally that seems wrong, it seems like particular traits compound together and that people exhibit fewer/more of those traits to a greater/lesser degree.

Not sure what the professional psychs think about it currently?
>Cars are versioned by year/model, which again makes it pretty clear to understand minor/major updates. Sometimes significant updates are introduced in a model year, but generally the core features remain the same and it could still be considered an upgrade to that model.

Tesla managed to break this trend massively, which proves a problem for things like insurance. The feature set on (say) the January 2014 Model S is very different from the December 2014 Model S, even though they technically share the same "year".
Reading your excellent comment I remembered this comment from a few days ago :

https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=19206174

Increasingly I think that there are many things that measurement simply doesn't apply to. That our industrial and post industrial society has conditioned us to believe that the applicability of statistics to complex but still mass produced items can be extended to humans and social situations in a simple way.

But actually, it can't. Humans are all very different, calculus's of human affairs must deal with penalty functions full of infinities of loss.
Which may not be the model marketing wants you to want.
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> though I find some of the reached conclusions somewhat unexpected

> > The issue is not just about making graphic content disappear. Platforms need to better recognize when content is right for some and not for others, when finding what you searched for is not the same as being invited to see more, and when what‘s good for the individual may not be good for the public as a whole.

Isn't this a good thing? It's very easy for politicians and bureaucrats to simply say "ban everything", so it's welcome that they're saying "it's complicated, we don't want to ban everything, we do want to make it harder for some people to access some content". It's a more honest discussion.
Austin doesn't have Prop 13, and Texas imposes reasonable property taxes. Unless those things change, it's HIGHLY unlikely real estate in Austin will approach The Bay area in terms of prices.
Could you explain further what do you mean with one consequence being the Thatcher/Reagan years? Genuinely curious.
<100 servers to manage. <100TB of data. <50 technical users.
Indeed it is. See for example Paris MOU:

https://www.parismou.org/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_State_Control
>Definitely not every card under the sun. I have 1060 and it can't run WoW (game from 2004) at 60 fps 1080p unless I'm lowering some settings.

I have 2x1080 ti in SL with a really nice watercooled and overcloked rig (64gb of the fastest RAM I could buy, best possible CPU and SSD). This was pretty much the best possible system you could have to play WoW a year ago and I STILL get 21fps in this weeks set of Timewalking dungeons. I have spent hours upon hours tweaking settings and it usually runs fine but this week was terrible.

WoW is CPU bound and is very, very poorly optimized for modern systems.
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You sound like you've seen/read Kentaro Toyama's "Ten Myths of ICT4D" [0]

[0] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/...
Maybe. I don't believe all retired people would require a full level 5. They don't have the daily commute.

They're in a fairly unique position that, if it's raining or snowing, whatever they needed the car for, they'd probably wait anyway. They're also able to schedule transport form say, 10 AM to 4 PM and only in optimal conditions.

I can envision a system where you hop in the car and hit the button, and the car checks weather and traffic and then responds, sorry, no can't do that now. That really wouldn't meet my needs, but it would meet my grandma's needs.

Heck there are parts of Arizona where the laws could be changed, controlling speed and access that would make level 3 good enough. Mostly the rule is just _go slow_. Everybody is different, though i can imagine people given the choice of a level three or no car, would probably take the level three. The car won't drive you across the country, but it'll get you to the grocery store if the weather is good.
Please take some time to read what is being asked of these companies, rather than railing against a strawman.
Oh, there's a hide button ...!
Is there research on the matter? Can displaying graphic content actually nudge somebody into committing suicide? While this may sound insensitive to the matter, I'd rather opt for having data than join into the generall HN hatred of algorithmic optimization of content.
This comment feels heartless.

The act of growing up is fundamentally one of rebellion, of doing things one is not supposed to do, of running away from the nest and being pushed away from it. While the expectation of privacy is something that varies dramatically across the world, I am doubtful that there is any culture where parents know everything their children are up to. The internet has amplified the availability of this privacy. As a closeted transwoman, I am grateful for the opportunities this has given me, of being able to find solidarity, but still keep it as one of my deepest secrets. But... I am also thankful for having grown up just before the internet turned into a vast, self-amplifying panopticon.

In the pre-internet world, there was more human mediation in information consumption: one consulted libraries which were staffed by human librarians, who could distinguish access to books about self-harm from books about self-help, one read magazines delivered home by mail, which would presumably have been easier for parents to monitor, or one would socialize with friends, in the physical world, who presumably had a greater interest in your well-being, so that empathy and other human judgments could best help people in need.

In today's world, with ready access to information, anonymously to one's physical circle of family and friends, but entirely publicly to the vast tracking network of automatic recommendation systems, there is no such ready access to help. The systems serving information are essentially paperclip maximizers, providing access to articles and links that maximize their narrow-minded objective functions. Which leads to sub-optimal social outcomes.

Of course the algorithm is doing exactly what it was designed to do. But what it was designed to do is not what we really want it to do, as a human species, with complex, empathetic, and altruistic objectives. On a final sidenote, conveying emotions online is very tricky, but we are talking about a family who has just lost their daughter. Her parents are almost certainly devastated, questioning every little act of theirs. It would be nice to exercise restraint and temper one's comments.
I think he missed a point. Amazon likely can't go to Mississippi, because there aren't enough programmers there. And very few would move there, even if the offers were good.

I turned down $300K in LA to stay in Hawaii. I can't think of what kind of offer would make me move to Mississippi.
> Cars are versioned by year/model

Just look at BMW or Porsche. Their numbering systems are just as obtuse as GPUs.
Yes, carbotage laws apply to road and air traffic as well, albeit not as strict as the Jones Act.

A Canadian truck based in Windsor (driven by a driver with valid work visa) is allowed to pick up goods in Detroit before going to Buffalo, because this leg of the trip is considered incidental to an internatonal route. However if the truck were to make multiple return trips between Detroit and Buffalo it would not be legal