>This is not a concern for 99% of people. Nobody is getting their bank accounts frozen except for high profile criminals.

I've had my credit cards frozen multiple times because I did something their fraud detection deemed shady. One time I was stuck in another country without any way to pay for things! Yes, I now know that I have to warn my credit card company where i'm going or they may turn my card off again on me, and I now know that I should bring cash with me (at the time I didn't have a ton of money to be able to take a bunch out in cash to carry around, not to mention that it would have cost me tens of dollars to withdraw all of my own money, and the bank can still deny me making it in one big withdraw!), but that is again a lot of work to have to do and worry about just to be able to spend my own money.

(Also, the whole premise there kind of freaks me out. You need to warn the bank where you are going, and then if they approve you are allowed to spend your money there, otherwise you could be stuck somewhere with no recourse... That's terrifying!)

>Another fake problem. 99% of people can buy and sell whatever they want.

And yet finding credit card processors for porn and other adult things is extremely difficult for most companies in that area. Not to mention that your agreement with your credit card company prohibits you from buying a lot of that stuff (porn, sex, donations to politically unfriendly sites like wikileaks, etc...)

And go ask a marijuana shop why they don't take credit cards, and how difficult it is for them to handle money and even pay their employees because they can't get a bank account in the US. How they need to hire armed guards because they have to work entirely via bundles of cash because of the blacklisting of their industry.

Hell, just LAST WEEK there was an article at the top of this very website about how Paypal banned a company and is holding their funds for 180 days. And that thread is FILLED with other examples not just from Paypal but other companies as well.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18783493

You can say it's unlikely, but you can't say it's a "fake problem".

>Do you not see the irony in complaining about vigilance over a credit card number in a response about the work of having to back up your bank cryptocurrency private key?

No, because you never have to give out your private key, but you do have to give out and protect your credit card number.

>If your 16 digit card number is stolen just cancel the card and any fraudulent purchases will be remedied.

Unless you waited too long to tell them, or they say you've disputed too many fraudulent purchases on your account, or they mess up the paperwork, or they say the fraudster used your pin and they don't cover charges where a pin is used.

>Cryptocurrency is not a "money system" with "trade offs", it's a hamstrung toy that facilitates some dark-market commerce and that's about it, it is otherwise demonstrably useless and certainly not an alternative for the incumbent financial system.

It's clear you've made up your mind, I don't even know why I'm typing this out, you aren't going to change your feelings.

But I'm not asking you to believe me, I'm asking you to let some of us make different choices. You say 99% of people don't have a concern about these things, what about the 1% of us that do? What about the 1% who are being failed by current money systems, the 1% who have to rely on cash which is EXTREMELY susceptible to fire, theft, and loss because they can't back it up, the 1% who want to try and transact safely without a middleman in some situations, the 1% who think that there is still improvements that can be made in cryptocurrencies and are working toward solving problems with them so that one day they may become more useful to a much larger portion of people.

Also:

>certainly not an alternative for the incumbent financial system.

I never said it was an alternative in it's current form. I don't believe it is. No cryptocurrency at the moment is ready for widespread usage, and I don't believe it is going to ever take over the incumbent financial system ever. But that doesn't mean we can't try to make it easier to use, better, safer, expand the usable situations, experiment with cryptographic protocols, and maybe eventually some of that tech can make it into other money systems in some way to make things better for everyone. Or maybe it will just stay a fringe system for some who have been burned or blacklisted by the current system to use in some situations where they would otherwise be stuck.

You don't need to be involved, you don't even need to like it, but don't make up straw men and act like nobody out there wants some of the benefits of it because you personally don't.

I didn't want to get into fucking arguments about cryptocurrencies today, especially with someone who just decides that the problems it's solving for some are "fake problems" and handwaves them away, so this is the last time i'll reply here.