skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
"If".

Most of their product releases are one step forward and one step back. For example, the new Gmail is a little nicer looking, but it's a huge resource hog compared to the previous one without any striking features (though there autocomplete thing is nice). Google Meet just seems to have a few fewer features than Hangouts, and I'm not really sure what it adds.

I honestly haven't seen a new product from them that is noticeably better than whatever it replaced for quite a while. Most things seem to be change for the sake of change.
If they're in China they probably don't have the luxury of bringing up those points in their argument.
Did anyone say Kult - The Temple of Flying Saucers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeyZ57rWdGg&t=6m21s
This has to be a spy or propaganda machine.
That’s the “for good” part of the parent comment. Civil rights protestors were unwilling to tolerate / were intolerant of the status quo situation, to the point of being willing to be attacked with fire hoses and dogs.
I have my company’s VPN access so it’s not a problem for me. But contacting people is really difficult without WeChat. You could do EVERYTHING with this one app.
We used it as a backup one day when our normal chat service went down. I closed it within 5 minutes and I didn’t even hit your issues which are way worse. What a shit show.
The files are an implementation detail that could be handled by metadata on a modern 1990's filesystem.
And that's why I'm no longer an iOS user.
What part of Google's behavior thus far makes you think they'll drag their feet?
We invaded Iraq under that logic..
I find this argument interesting. Going through depression myself, waiting for an SSRI to be effective 6 - 8 weeks feels impossible if you want to end it all RIGHT NOW. That's kinda the point of suicide, is to end the pain ASAP.

Here's the thing, the SSRI didn't work out for me, now I'm going to try another medication, another 6 weeks before it's fully effective (It's not an SSRI though). I don't know if I can wait that long.

I still haven't gotten to other tiers of treatment in terms of medication - Antipsychotics, rMAOIs, etc.

Point is: I'm not sure a tiered approach for medication works well for everyone with depression, it's too time sensitive.
> Google can drag their feet and build low quality censorship/anti-privacy tools for the Chinese government, and simply say "sorry it's the best we could do".

Why would they? They're out to make money and they'll make much less money by making enemies with the CCP.

We can also look at history: American companies have no problem doing business with authoritarian and repressive regimes. Sometimes they even prop them up.
Mind telling the world what the hell “DLT” means?

Dynamic link tracking?
Database Local Transformation?

And let’s be honest here, I’m gonna assume it is a clever buzzword designed to sell the failed blockchain technology to a new set of rubes, right?
Honestly every single actual Chinese citizen I've spoken too is for Dragonfly. The only people that I've seen against it are Westerners who love projecting their values and feeling outraged in the place of others.
Lots of emotion and not much reasoning addressing Amnesty's concerns. Doesn't even mention human rights in the rant.
Google pulling out was one of the best and last of Google's "Do No Evil" opus. Whatever the true reasons, with that decision, you can say something about Google as a company and you can say something about China as a country. One example is all that is needed sometimes. Without that, you get moral equivalency and all the attendant devolution.
The NYTimes article about this incident says:

> “Usually when stolen data doesn’t appear, it’s a state actor collecting it for intelligence purposes,” said James A. Lewis, a cybersecurity expert at the Center for Strategic Studies in Washington.
Assume... or hope?
I guess it depends on the individual packages. While many things can comfortably be quickly built on such hardware, I'm sure it wouldn't be enough for something like Firefox or Chromium. That can be handled by temporarily using a more powerful server.

I don't know about it being better, but you've got me curious. Linode also has block storage volumes. On using something like an S3, I wonder if that's really the best option. I don't know if it's cheaper, but it seems to be less flexible. For example, I like to have my private package repo provided on a VPN, not open to the public. I don't suppose using something akin to S3 would allow for a similar setup.
> It's a thing but many people in the US are very bad at driving [in the snow]

Most of those people, like in the Atlanta story, never drive in more than a 1/2in of snow.

> and don't care to use snow tires.

Snow tires are expensive, and usually not worth the expense beyond all-weather tires, especially for people in the south.

> They want perfect handling and acceleration in any condition and not having to switch tires or use traction aiding devices.

Is that not something you'd like from your car? Seems like a nice feature to me, and my car isn't even close to that.
You would be surprised by how much water and electricity a modern fab consumes.
Except it's not anonymous since Al will know who he sold each game to - won't be that hard to find out who the guilty party is.
A misapplication of logic (i.e the claim that the U.S. invaded to instill "freedom and democracy") does not invalidate the logic (i.e fighting for freedom is a good thing).
> It's awfully easy to stand on principle when it's the other guy who sacrifices for it.

Is the other guy me? or are the other guys those killed by the PRC?

You would sacrifice them to search Google, I would sacrifice your Google searches for them. We do not have to agree.
Correct, you couldn’t copy it and re-distribute, but you could sell your original copy.
> Why not let them decide what they want for their country, rather than shoving your ideals on them?

This assumes most of their citizens have all the information about the implications, which is very unlikely, for the very reason everyone is wary of Google re-entering China.
Yeah, I would imagine almost all Turing machines have trivial behavior in some way. To make a more concrete analogy, almost all C++ programs don't compile, and so HP is solvable for them in some degenerate sense.
I half-ironically propose it is meant to be read as "no, you are"
Not only that, but to the extent practical they should support subverting it (ie. making their sites available via hidden services, etc.). Would we likeiwse argue that working with the Nazi government (with the exception of red cross type relief aid and ceasefires) was acceptable for American businesses?
To be clear, fake and illegal medical advertisements make their way onto Google, too:

https://www.wired.com/2013/05/google-pharma-whitaker-sting/

(This is only the most infamous case from the past 10 years)

So if the post author's only argument for DragonFly is that China needs Google because China needs a search engine that doesn't promote fake meds, it's a false premise.

EDIT: Changed 5->10 years since the case in question was from 2009-2011. Also, as another comment points out[1], a Chinese state medical clinic was responsible for the Baidu fake medicine incident. It's highly unlikely that Google would turn down a government agency from its ad buying. So again, not seeing a huge difference between Baidu and Dragonfly, other than the quality of their results (but not their ethics).

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18574669
> Baidu is likely not as good at it as Google, but Baidu is also much more likely to comply willingly. Google can drag their feet and build low quality censorship/anti-privacy tools for the Chinese government, and simply say "sorry it's the best we could do".

This is an argument akin to "I'm joining the system so I can change it from the inside".

This can work, but you need leverage. What leverage would Google have over the Chinese government in this case? Say what you will about the current Chinese leadership, but they're not stupid and they know what Google is capable of. If they think Google is dragging they're feet why wouldn't they just block Google again?
The fact that a giant like Baidu can get away with showing false adverts indicates a deeper problem than can be solved just by Google going to China.
There is argument made for trading with authoritative states when they take tiny steps towards the right direction and increasing living standards bring change themselves. Taiwan and South Korea are good examples of this kind of progress.

But as China is becoming economically more powerful and tightening up it's control at the same time. Deng Xiaoping was no means liberal, but he made changes into right direction. Xi is walking even these small moves backwards.

In the end China will have their own internet and it will be heavily censored. It's up to Chinese let Google in as Google. Not to ask Chinese version of Google.
> The fix to relative poverty is changing market dynamics so that small businesses are more viable while colossal ones are less so.

I was with you until the very last part. Business counts are not zero sum and more often than not a rising tide lifts all boats, dinghies and yachts alike. The ills of colossal businesses can be debated in other areas, but not as a direct relation to poverty or at least not without including the benefits they provide.
As he should. If you fuck up the root domain it’s over.
It makes them even more valued!
There could be such a thing about books, it’s just that nobody does it. This guy worked for the company. He is not covered by that sort of license agreement, though definitely something could’ve been in his employment contract about the company’s property. Since he’s not claiming to own the code or the license to it, it’s physical property, not intellectual property. And with software, when it is covered by such a license agreement, typically you can do exactly this – sell your physical copy without claiming that you’re transferring any rights.
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>By abdicating that responsibility to an actor like Baidu, who is much more aligned with the Chinese government,

And how can companies establish a major presence in China unless they are aligned with the Chinese government?
Is it though? I definitely disagree with the author, but I don't know if they're asking really to sear conscience as much as offer the perspective of their own conscience. They are not asking googlers to be ok with everything China does but are arguing that Google removing itself from China causes more harm than good. They're wrong (I think) but, its perfectly reasonable to make such an argument if one believes it.
This all looks really fake. Plus, there's incentive to fake something like this, because of Satoshi Nakamoto's fame, elusive nature, and lack of identity ownership.
yeah, I get that. But in any other area of life, if someone is being a complete dick to you, then you can cut them out of your life. Why can't open source maintainer?
I'm pretty sure the data DragonFly may collect is much much less than many companies in China are already collecting. The government literally knows everything about you in real time.. which hotel you are in, what websites you have visited, what messages you just sent, etc. So Google won't be able to help Chinese government anyway. On the other hand Google indeed can help the people a lot with high quality search results.
> Especially since DLT efficiency will eventually be figured out.

Lol. The BlockChain is inefficient by design! It is that exact inefficiency that makes it trustless.
I think it was a group of people and Nick Szabo was definitely involved. Have you seen these basic stylometry analysis results that somewhat support this theory?

https://towardsdatascience.com/stylometric-analysis-satoshi-...
How I Created a Quora Bot with Python
If you see no difference between the Chinese government and the Nazi government, you should perhaps consider advocating for war (unless you are a non-interventionist)
Distributed ledger technology. This is the preferred industry term because there are many newer systems that offer or claim to offer the same guarantees as blockchains but that are implemented in different ways under the hood.
I'm really glad someone with a Chinese background finally spoke up about this. If you look at the anti-DragonFly post, you'll notice that there are almost no Chinese names on the list. Every Chinese citizen I've talked to is pro-DragonFly, myself included.

DragonFly will probably be the largest step to democratizing information that has ever happened for the Chinese people. It's a huge step forward. It won't change the fact that the Chinese government already does censor information, and that it does spy on its people. This isn't new. DragonFly will just provides Chinese citizens so much more information that we can't get otherwise without resorting to VPNs.

For the people in China who aren't dissidents (a large chunk of the 1.4 billion, or 4x the population of the US), this will be an entirely positive change that could save millions of lives.

Please, please launch DragonFly.
When I was young I thought Dijkstra published a paper called, "go2's considered harmful!'. I think the next version of Go should be Go3.
Nick Szabo as Satoshi Nakamoto seems way too obvious to be true -- I'm guessing he's probably a honeypot for Nakamoto's identity, so that the true Nakamoto remains hidden. That, or like another commenter mentioned, Nakamoto is a group of people and Nick Szabo may have had some involvement.
Because the cost of labor / covering up illegal hiring is lower than the cost of the item produced?
He denied it. I'd doubt it on other grounds too, but that's good enough for me.
Your whole premise is that China can't do it on their own, which is proved false by the supercomputer chip ban. Now Intel not only lost their market, China actually gained the capability and revenue to support future R&D. Your leaders at Intel appear to know more about business than you do: that it is higher risk over the long term to lose market share, because that gives your competitors revenue to support R&D and opportunities to work with and leverage a customer base to develop a better product. China has no problem making a CPU on their own. They just can't make a commercially competitive CPU, yet.
Do you have the payment strategy to succeed globally?
Yep, car rentals are a pain point for sure. There are companies/franchises that will accept debit cards with a deposit, but it can be really hard to get a clear answer one way or the other apart from just showing up and trying. In my experience, it has been about 50/50.

It's not very rational, since I'm perfectly happy to leave a deposit higher than some people's credit limits.
> I find it a bit ironic that all the opposition is from Westerners who love to feel outraged [...] Why not let them decide what they want for their country, rather than shoving your ideals on them?

I don't think you understand what this debate is about. This isn't about what Chinese citizens want. This is the rest of the developed world standing up and saying they don't want to be involved in aiding an oppressive regime. China doesn't get to hold the wellbeing of the citizens it's oppressing as a bargaining chip here.

If chinese citizens are worse off for it, they should be looking to make their government more like the west rather than making baseless pleas for the west to become more like China. Ultimately this is the heart of the debate. Is China's market size big enough to force western tech to bow down to unethical practices for some sweet $, or is the western tech industry big enough to send a loud and clear message that the Chinese regime is not acceptable to the developed world.
It'll put startups at disadvantage. Very hard to compare equity compensation with liquid compensation big companies offer.
Gitter has this annoying bug where it'll email you for every message in any channel you're in and you can't turn it off. How such an egregious bug still hasn't been fixed, I don't know, but it doesn't inspire much trust.
Chinese citizens are well aware of the censorship practices of their government. They are aware of the bargain that Google must strike.
I agree that IP theft hurts countries that don't partake in it.

However, I was asking about the effect on the world as a whole. Taking some wealth from one country and giving it to another isn't directly changing the amount of wealth in the world. But some second order effects may come into play that do change the global wealth.
There are ideas around trusted oracles and consensus recommendation ratings for oracles that aren't terrible and may work (no comment on scalability, of course).
I use their standalone program on Ubuntu at work; we're switching from hangouts/meet to zoom for a lot (though ad-hoc stuff will likely remain hangouts due to it only being one-click to start one up). It's pretty straightforward, I've almost never had issues.
You are what
We were talking about a packaging plant, not a fab. Edit: I understand it may be confusing, as the thread started with Intel doing packaging at Chengdu but moved onto the broader manufacturing question. But the foreign fabs mostly are Asian owned (Taiwan and South Korea) and have little to do Intel.
Baidu was/is extremely complicit in the ads, their ability to make money depended on them. When fraud makes its way on google, it’s usually because they got past a control, google isn’t active in making the ad work with paid search rankings.
My Costa Rican brother-in-law was just telling me that a couple Central American countries are working on new canals because the Panama canal is fairly saturated.
Ah, guess I missed the edit.
This is WAY old news.
Fascinating! As a joke, I wrote a similar CSS stylesheet recently that simulated the look and feel of a greenscreen mainframe app, complete with bright green text and blocky containers (I spent maybe all of an hour on it over a few days of tinkering). I added it as an style option in a web app that was supposed to replace a legacy system and the customer absolutely loved it. Unfortunately I had to explain it was a joke.
Shasper[1] "Note: This is an experimental project. Everything will break, and it may disappear without any notice!" (sic).

Until we don't see a community working on adversarial attacks, we will not know if it is secure of not. There is concrete research about BFT since 1982.

[1] https://github.com/paritytech/shasper
US has plenty of those. I doubt chips requires more water or causing more pollution than fracking.
> If Google were in China, perhaps the young man named Wei Zesi would not have died as a result of deadly fake medical advertisements searched through Baidu.

As the wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Wei_Zexi makes clear, those medical adverts were not fake. They were certainly deadly. They were also run by the Second Hospital of the Beijing Armed Police Corps. A state owned hospital. On what basis would google refuse to run that ad? Barring them from advertising seems like a great way to get a midnight knock at your door from the Beijing Armed Police Corp. And it's not like an algorithm will easily tell when medical claims are is truthful.

Would the auction algorithm produced a different ad result? Google's pay per click model maximizes revenue per ad shown, not human welfare; presumably the hospital willing to pay to get to the top of the searches is willing to go the extra mile to improve click thru rates.

Would marking it more clearly as an ad have made a difference? Google is already walking down that slippery slope; today Google places ads directly in line with search results. If Baidu is able to legally get away without even marking ads, it seems like Google is an A/B test away from a very profitable locale specific change to the UI.
This is not necessarily true. You can create a marketplace for facts (eg: oracles or prediction markets) and therefore create incentives for bystanders to bring facts to blockchain. Sure, it doesn't have 100% guarantees, but it might improve on the current scenario in certain cases.
This seems to be a pure PR article, clearly not written by an average ZhangShan or LiShi in China.

Now after so many years of the GFW in effect, most people in China just won't give a damn fk about Google anymore. If Google kowtow and crawl in, they won't get a significant share of market, only that people are more convinced that "Taobao beat Amazon, Huawei beat Apple, and Baidu beat Google, oh yeah!".
I think this is what you’re saying but does “delivered” include everything including permitting, built (on a foundation on the site of your choice) and a certificate of occupancy issued from the city?

“Order today and have one permitted, built and ready to move into or lease in 6 months” sounds great. Even better if somehow an agreement with the city to expedite Cover’s builds could cut that timeframe in half because guessing the fabrication of the structure itself is very fast relative to the entitlements. Hopefully they’ve figured out a way to streamline with the city.
They are research labs that are hiring Masters students and PhDs just out of college, working on cutting edge technologies. Salary alone doesn't mean talent.
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A lot of people on here presume getting rid of a dictatorship is easy and presume the Chinese people == Chinese govt., however last time I checked the Syrian Civil War is still going on and the Arab Spring is all but vanquished.

Moreover, the Tiananmen massacre happened 30 yrs ago and somewhat fresh on the memories of my parents cos they were almost part of it and in Beijing at the time.
Kind of curious what the story behind the chess-bot stuff is.
Africa have more people, lower wages, and Chinese expansion.
Or you just turn off the newly added toggle switch?
No, Google's competitors are trash.
You’re all set if you like what you’re using. I appreciate that you’re thinking this through. I would prefer a language that was designed intelligently from the ground up by experts, like Python. PHP seems to be gradually emerging as a good design through trial and error, which is valid I suppose.
What is China doing to Africa? And how is that any different than what US does to any other region in the world. Even though America is a democracy it has not really promoted democracy overseas. Apart from earlier itself being involved in wars now instead many bad foreign leaders are supported by US politicians and leaders. Allies which have been behaving badly for long time.

US greatest talent is (perhaps was) it’s ability to attract the talent of the world and creating great value out of it. This happened primarily during and after the world wars was as many nations were becoming more hostile places and American open culture and values became a refuge for many. US will only truly lose it’s leadership position when it gives up on moral leadership.
You're presuming a dictatorship is easy to bring down, the Syrian Civil War is still fighting on but no-one cares anymore about their attempts for democracy.

Its not even big news on the media anymore, at this point the fighting is just a free-for-all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War
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The first million bitcoins were mined by Satoshi before bitcoin was made public.
The project creator doesn't appear to have been active for twelve days, and it took fifteen days for a press outlet to notice and report on it. Many things could be causing a delay, it's a busy season and I doubt this is anyone's priority.
American here...that’s definitely offensive and would not be used in a professional setting.