You asserted, "you need most".

That says you know what percentage of the people I am in contact with need to be vaccinated for some level of what you think I would consider to be "acceptable risk."

So, do you know what that percentage would be, for various vaccines?

And how did you define what my acceptable risk would be?

Because I think you must have an opinion on both of those things, if you're willing to advise me that "I need most."

Since you're favoring an economic slant to this discussion, how, exactly, did you decide what I need?

> You make the ultimate escrow with your own body, since you risk infection as well.

People can be carriers of diseases, and not become ill from them. This nullifies your argument.

Also, that line of argument can be used as a defense of drunk driving.

Drunk driving is not victim-less, even if your own body is risked, as well.

That's insufficient escrow even for automobile insurance.

> But now you mention again the application of force.

Yes, I think people can enact a government. A government has an enforced monopoly on force, and hopefully has established a system of laws that give the people the opportunity to change those laws over time.

And frankly, we voted. We use force against ourselves. We're okay with that.

Feel free to vote that we shouldn't be okay with that. Also, feel free to move and renounce your citizenship.

Those legal options are available to you.

You can also attempt to resist the laws of your country, peacefully or otherwise. I wouldn't recommend it.

> I ask you, are you willing to go into peoples homes and forcefully inject them with vaccines?

If you want to discuss actual policy, I agree it's complicated.

1) Medical wavers. Some people cannot get vaccinated, for many different reasons.

2) If you want to live in a bubble with no human contact, and you can demonstrate that, then maybe that's fine.

3) If you want to form a colony of leapers, who have no contact with the rest of us, then maybe that's fine, too.

> How about each time you propose to impose your view on other people you are also responsible to physically do it. You know, put your skin in the game.

Fine by me.

Counter-proposal, each time you increase the statistical chances of someone else suffering through an externality such as a pollutant, or increasing the risk of disease, how about you put your skin in the game:

Watch them die.

Here, this child recovered. It shouldn't be too emotionally difficult for you to imagine my daughter dying like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3oZrMGDMMw

(The beeping sound is her oxygen level falling to dangerous levels, on the verge of causing brain damage.)

Watch her mother sit there, completely helpless. Imagine that's me and my wife, watching our daughter die.

> Regarding your environment argument, I reiterate that herd immunity is a benefit, not having it is not a cost.

Oxygen is a benefit. Not having it is not a cost.

Have I somehow used a slippery slope argument? Or is your line of argument fundamentally flawed? Genuinely curious what you think.

> Its too onerous a requirement to demand of people to do things to help someone else at their own expense. There is no limit.

Ah, there, you ARE engaging in a slippery slope argument!

It's NOT too onerous, actually. We have government to debate issues exactly like this. We compromise. There are limits, they're enforced by making changes to the law slowly, and by people voting.

> You can ask for anything and always find a way to justify it.

You can deny anything, and always find a way to justify it.

Together we vote. Hopefully we find a compromise.

In this case, our current compromise is that you're not forced to vaccinate yourself or your children. But your children may lose access to public schools. And you may be forced to continue paying taxes in to public schools. And there may be jobs you are disqualified from holding.

Feel free to advocate for changes to that.

Personally, I'm realizing I should be trying to get my employer to demand all of the employees be reasonably vaccinated, via their employment contracts. Flu, MMR, etc.