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The difference is on OSX you have a choice; Mac App Store or adhoc/old way.

Besides, Apple are being much more liberal re iOS approval of late - the old times are long gone except the odd mistake here and there.

EDIT: I wonder if this will act as a proving ground for apple re dual App Store + adhoc distribution ala android market?

EDIT2: I'm just going to come out and say it... At times I worry about installing random dmgs I find on the web. If Apple can approve the apps and ensure they are genuine and won't harm my system then I wouldn't be surprised if I'd end up switching to the Mac App Store for all my apps... With exceptions for companies I know well.
This is a potentially an awesome social-engineering solution to malware/viruses in the long-run.

EDIT3: Final edit as my startup won't launch itself! :P To anyone suggesting Apple will take away adhoc OSX installations and replace purely with Mac store:
1/ On what timescale? This would be very long-term - we'd adapt
2/ Is it really a problem? See Edit2 above for at least one benefit.
Hi, I was in your situation recently. I felt I was not getting exposure to exciting technology or projects. I often learn things in my spare time, but wanted to apply it on the job. I spoke to my manager and now I'm working on some great new projects, using great new technologies and learning a lot more.

The point I'm trying to make is, speak to your boss and explain how you feel. They can try to change things to suit how you would like to work.

Ultimately I'd like to be working for a start up, but deep down I know I'd be frustrated unless it was my own start up - so I plan to work, build up money from the job (while bootstrapping ideas / learning new tech / reading great info) then launch my own startup in a coworking hub where I can speak with like minded people daily.
When you go back to using non Apple hardware the keyboard and touchpads are generally very bad. Bearing in mind the time spent using the keyboard and mouse having a good one makes the difference.
The ease of discovery may make it worth it. Sure, I may have an existing online store for my software, but people have to Google for it, trust it enough to enter their credit card data, enter their credit card data, etc.

If a significantly higher number of people are going to find and one-click install my product on the App Store, that makes the cut well worth it.
Of course a student could try to find a QFN 88pin to DIP adapter for like $20 (or make their own), and plug it into a breadboard. I could only find a QFN-72 to DIP adapter with 5 minutes of searching.

http://www.proto-advantage.com/store/product_info.php?produc...
As opposed to if you register in a capitalist country where it only matters if the "person" opposing you has vastly more money than you.

Nissan Motors, MikeRoweSoft, etc..
Yes, you have a choice... for now. If Apple wanted to take away that choice a Mac App Store is the obvious first step.

REPLY TO EDIT2: The iOS App Store's review process doesn't do much for security. As demonstrated by the flashlight WiFi proxy app it's trivial to get code (malicious or not) past the reviewers. The security on iPhone comes from sandboxing of apps.
An honest question... How many people go days without using their computer these days?

I'm one who never turns my MBP off. There are a few times I can think of when it hasn't been used at least once/day, even on vacation. It seems like if you are the kind of person who needs/appreciates instant on, it's because you make regular use of your machine. This would seem to counter the need to have it sleep for a month. If you can go that long between regular uses, you can probably wait an extra 3 minutes for bootup.
I think that Apple should make what their customers at large want. That might mean that I cease to personally be their customer, but as a developer the AppStore is the least risky way to release a commercial product.

Ultimately I don't think that they will ever take away the ability to run arbitrary code on their desktop OS.
They probably couldn't get carriers to agree to a iPad-like 3g plan for a laptop.
Yeah, I don't think this sort of thing is targeted at Adobe or Microsoft or the other huge players.
Ask HN: If I update my application and re-submit it, is it a late application
May sound silly, but I thought I should confirm it. The wording on the apply page kind of got me worried.
If we update our application and re-submit it, will it count as a late application? We had submitted it once before the deadline.
Good God, that's cheap. I can buy that evaluation board (and I very well may some time). Best of luck to them with the sales, that's at a scale and price that could open up a lot of options.

Compare and contrast to the E-ink evaluation board: http://store.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/products.asp?CS... 6" = $3,000, and not too long ago they were over $8,000. Out of the reach of many seeking to innovate without a company pushing them to do so.
Today you have a choice. Who knows what the next version of iOS/OSX brings.

I personally don't think Apple would try to go this way, but I also didn't think they'd be such pains in the ass about cross-compiled applications getting on to iOS devices (i.e. Flash apps compiled down to work on iOS).
LLCs are not corporations, at least not in the United States.
Oh Oh Even Linden Lab Founder Is Leaving
I'd be incredibly surprised - being able to compile form source is kind of vital for many users.
iPhone <--> Desktop
If your implementation isn't great right out of the gate, forget it. It's not really a matter of hanging on until people get used to the idea.
A command line tool to run smush.it
I disabled my FB account back in May, but I'd find it quite difficult to do without all the Google services I use. Google Reader in particular.
If they did that, Linux would get a massive influx of anal-retentive developers that know how to design nice apps...
One thing is for sure... he hates 7" tablets
AppBodega can continue along just the same. I think they serve very different purposes and markets, even though they are similar ideas. AppBodega is lots of indie/FOSS apps. It's more like MacPorts for applications, with purchasing.
"the call rings through on every Mac you own, even if face time isn't running"

Does this sound just a little too intrusive to anyone else?
I believe this will shift the marketplace to apps that consumers actually want - not the DTerms of the world. Little swiss-army type apps with consumer friendly interfaces. Stuff like a drag-and-drop photos to upload them to the cloud so they show up on grandma's digital photo frame.
Direct download link to Facetime for OS X
Yes that helps, thanks a lot!
Xmonad is easier to understand IMO

Ooh, that's harsh, but I feel your pain. If you like tiling, though, you may want to check this out (although I don't use it): http://www.mizage.com/divvy/
Direct link:http://jacquesmattheij.com/Double+your+price+(and+no,+Im+not...
I'm pretty sure that apple will be offering big players a better revshare deal on account of their volume. I'm sure their respective legal departments will have their hands full in the coming months. I think what is more interesting is what will happen to new apps built on the app store which subsequently become big; apple will have no incentive to split the revenue more favourably when they already have lock-in.

Regardless, I'm a fan.
I think those are very fair questions. On the one hand I agree a lot of startups can be derivative and may not pass the "how is this making the world better" question. But at the same time, that's a much higher bar than most companies are held to...

As far as Quora and Posterous as examples, I think their excellent UX do advance the world in that they help people share their thoughts and experiences better/more easily than with previous generations of those ideas.
I don't think it will go that way. It would be suicide.
Incidentally, an App Store is planned for Windows 8:

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/06/leaked-windows...

I'm still skeptical that MS can ship an app store with Windows and not run afoul of anti-trust laws. We shall see.
Can't get it to connect. @SteveStreza reports his doesn't work on a wired connection at all.
Half a million public sector workers are to lose their jobs(UK)
Not mentioned, but for me a huge red flag is when anyone in a leadership position tries to stifle criticism on the basis that it might lower morale. For years I dealt with an entrepreneur who did this constantly. We'd have discussions like this:

Me: there is no way we can match Pandora's functionality, especially given such a short deadline.

Him: I want to know why you are so negative. Do you realize how much your words are hurting the team? Tim told me yesterday he's feeling really bummed out by your negativity.

Me: Cool, but there is no way we can match Pandora's functionality, especially given such a short deadline.

Him: I think you need to get back to work, and also rethink why you are so negative.
Not sure they would do that, I think this Mac App store is purely a tool to create a vertical revenue stream to sell to the vast existing iMac user base. I also think this will increase the amount of business applications 20 fold and possibly propel the MacBook into many businesses as IT dept's could use the App Store to add software to these Mac's and restrict any other content from workers. Far Less IT support required plus Apps would cost less than Microsoft software etc.
Reddit Founder: “I Wish I Still Owned Reddit Now”
Does anyone know if you have an app in the OS X app store, but you also want to distribute on your own, if this is allowed under the terms? Or, is it pretty much once you go into the app store there is no coming out of it?

From Apple's business perspective, it would make sense to lock you in -- they probably don't want to foot the bill to advertise for you and then you go sell your software on the side full price without Apple getting their cut.

From developers' perspective, this would severely limit distribution channels, and force them to give up 30% of revenue.

In theory, a developer could release the "lite" version of his app, and link to his own distribution mechanism within that app. Is this allowed?
This is kind of the way I was looking at it. I think if nothing else it'll be a decent way to get my name out there since this guy seems to know a whole bunch of people in the area. Thanks for the insight!
Especially when the blog's hosted on tumblr and the app on GAE ;)
I've been doing the exact same thing. I could easily build a web version of the app, but monetizing it is so much easier through the app store.
Agreed, it's a tough problem. I think Boston investors want to support Boston startups, but because of their structure/individual limitations (mentioned in the article) they can't necessarily "take one for the team" if it's investing 20% of their 'dry powder' for the year.

That said I do think startups can play the "fund us locally" card a bit.
Have you heard of a telephone? Do you know how they work?

You can turn it off in the preferences.
There's a big red warning at the top the welcome page (web version). Impossible to miss, although I know many people only use Google Groups via email.
Yeah that's kind of what really sparked my interest. 24 years old, no debt, no real financial responsibility (except keeping the 'ol cat fed), etc.

What would you consider to be a decent cut? That's really where I'm stuck...
The site is still up: http://catchthebest.com/tour/
You can toggle it on or off individually per device, they just mean the FaceTime app itself doesn't have to be "open".
Your answer makes no sense and isn't responsive at all to the issue. We are talking about the need for confidence in banks and the banking system. This isn't something new, all banks face this issue.

Addressing your irrelevant tangents:

- even when money was backed by gold there were still bank runs

- there is a reserve, the cash deposits are backed by cash reserves

- I don't even know how you managed to bring the national debt into the picture.
The things that I always weigh first in hardware are screen res and disk i/o. For the type of work I do, I always rank CPU third (I used to evaluate hardware based on my ability to run VMs, but these days I find myself renting on-demand EC2 instances instead).

I've been mighty disappointed by Apple laptop screen res prior to the latest generation of MBP's, but I have to admit, these new models impress me, and I've generally been quite dismissive of the Air line.

I was recently entertaining the thought of replacing my 13" Macbook with a 15" MBP, but as it is, my full briefcase including a Macbook is already a shoulder killer.

Given the evolution of my own use cases, I think I'd actually consider one of these guys as my next notebook.
Yeah, has there been any progress on publishing specs?
I tried MacBook Air and Envy 133 earlier, but I change to Thinkpad X301 and must say that other than very great OSX (use Linux so does not matter so much) I prefer Thinkpad now.
Do they even have to get carrier permission to include a sim card slot for GSM systems?

The only reason I can see them leaving this out is because unsuspecting users will end up with a horrible user experience when they get their first month's bill at the end of the month.

Apple would have to create a user interface to protect users from themselves by blocking a lot of unnecessary inbound and outbound network access when on 3G and also showing them how much of their monthly bandwidth they have used so far.
I look after a few google groups but don't recall getting any notice on this.

I was just looking at the settings for a group I set up recently and saw that there was an option to allow Google to contact the group admin. And it was off. I think I just do that out of habit on the assumption that it will just mean more noise, but of course it could also mean I'll never hear about upcoming group changes.
Anyone else notice the Software Reinstall Drive?

http://images.apple.com/macbookair/images/specs_flashdrive_2...

USB drive with Mac OS X?
I've got a list of software requirements and together they do essentially create a MVP. I'm not well versed on the whole intellectual property legalities of this scenario. Do you know of any good resources I could use to learn more about it?

Thanks for your help!
The source is in my old thinkpad, but would love to redo it in my new favorite language, AliceML :-)

http://www.ps.uni-saarland.de/alice/
A large number of Etsy imitators have sprung up (ArtFire, CraftIsArt, Cargoh, Bonanza, SilkFair, Zibbet, Folksy, etc.) but none of them seem to be particularly great to me.

Etsy is pissing off their best customers every month, and thousands have already left in disgust. They have a large lead in terms of size and funding, but they don't seem particularly capable of getting anything done. The market is definitely ready for a polished craft market with decent management and good marketing.
It's about time they sold something like that. I haven't used my optical drive for anything except the OS X installation and recovery disk.

I'm assuming that this means that target disk mode now works with USB again.
Also mentioned in an earlier thread about cnet's coverage of this story: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1804874

(At least the writer this post links has the sense to say "Either way, he's still a jerk.", as opposed to that first post's paen to the thief's kindness.)
Hmmm, I hadn't considered a combo deal like that. That'd be nice too because then I could continue to put food on the table and claim a stake in the venture. Thanks for your insight!
Overpriced compared to what? A plastic netbook with a cheap screen?

The one thing you can't overlook is the onboard flash storage. That stuff still isn't as cheap as most of us would like.
The "Tiny Software Company" Revolution
Bam. Very intriguing!

One note - for a service like this, I think people care a lot about the background of the company to make sure it won't go down under next month. I couldn't find much about your company until I clicked on Voxeo Corporation in the footer. Until then you appeared like another super early stage start-up which may die any minute. So put up an about page AND emphasize it!
There seems like there's one serious flaw in this idea.

What's to prevent people from inserting malware into their applications? Unlike the iPhone, OSX isn't sandboxed. And there's no way Apple's approval process can possibly check for possible badness hiding in the compiled code.

Unless, of course, they are building a special sandbox for these OSX apps as well. Which means that you'll have to write apps specifically for this platform.
Is there a reason they couldn't have just folded this feature into iChat?
no, they are not (uptimes measured in hours), on windows laptops hibernation has been working fine in windows for a few years. I don't know of any unix different from osx for which the same applies.

Servers and desktop are not really the point of discussion here.
it's not REVOLUTIONARY then, is it?
Make 2 versions, the original that retains the auto-update stuff most mac apps already have, and another that abides by whatever Mac App Store dictates. Continue selling the original however you are right now, charge 43% more (1/0.7) for the new one on the Mac App Store.
The angry birds are angry and the pigs better watch out.
I'm considering the new Air as main programming machine. I'm only leery of the Core 2 Duo processor (why didn't they use i5/i7?) and the glossy display which is not ideal for programming. I will have an external monitor as main display though.

But it's so much cheaper than any MacBook Pro with a SSD!
Especially if you are using that machine for work. I always buy the laptop with the nicest screen I can afford. That alone makes Macs price competitive with non-Macs.
Both are permissive.
"has never been a reason not to introduce an alternative"

If you read what I wrote again, you'll notice how I never suggested anything of the sort.
I agree with you. I find many reasons to know math during my career and in my programming hobbies. It is hard for me to ever take the statement seriously. We are not even talking about calculus here...

I surprised a fellow developer in the Dark Mists MUD by converting a table into a simple linear formula ("What should Y be when X is at this point in the range?"); this is grade school geometry, right? I just needed the formula for a line!

In my regular work, it is surprising how many times people do not understand the need for variance or standard deviation when they are looking for quality in averages of their data sets.

So web programming? If you have to put up charts of large data sets, things will get hairy without at least knowing how to interpolate the data points. A slow website may be a result of brute-force simplistic approaches in the code. Some of the packages we use (such as jQuery) require some good math knowledge to implement (example: drag-and-drop). We certainly cannot generalize that in web programming, it is acceptable to not know math.

You can get away with not using math in our industry if you leave it to others to do it for you.
How can you say it's the least risky way to release a commercial product when Apple has the ability to reject your product at will?
The only concern I see is pixel density. This is great for people like me with great eyesight, but I know my dad hates using my MacBook Pro 17" because I have the higher resolution screen option with greater pixel density.

OS X needs to support pixel density independency for these screens to be usable for those with less than perfect eyesight.
Apple stumbled a lot dealing with iPhone platform developers. It was very much a series of amateur mistakes. They've reversed most of the bad decisions, including the language ban. I really don't think Apple has an evil master plan — I just think they're fumbling around and trying to figure out the right way to do things.
Removing the "totally GridBag" experience from GridBagLayoutManager
The one thing that I dislike about the latest small form factor ThinkPads is the USB docking stations. The older Thinkpads had one of those bottom mount docking stations.

Mac users might dismiss docking stations, but they are --so-- handy if you're constantly moving around.
Hmm... how about Python scripts? Would they disable running Python scripts? How about building programs using GCC? Or Java? Or Ruby? I'm sure they could restrict such things to registered paying developers, but that really seems phenomenally stupid. If we assume they wouldn't restrict things like this, I'd be surprised if they would try to restrict any other current method of installing / running applications.
> It is absolutely worth it to buy the best machine
> you can afford.

I'm assuming that most people that are complaining about price don't have huge wallets.
Thanks for the anecdote - sorry to hear things turned out that way! I agree that a split of a discounted daily rate and equity is a good balance, and I do have concrete requirements. Do you know of any good resources for writing contracts? I know the other guy's got a lawyer to help him with trademarking and stuff, but since I don't have a lot of cash to throw around I'll probably have to do it myself...
Apple doesn't like Flash...At all.
That man was a founder of a successful tech company before I was born. Somehow, being reminded of that makes me hesitant to perform any future acts of technical punditry, specially when arguing against his judgment.
A) Use a USB 3G Dongle, or

B) Use a MiFi over WiFi.

The MiFi has the additional advantage of being able to network your iPod Touch, iPad, Kindle, and Laptop all at the same time.
I'm guessing so they can do a Windows client with a consistent UI.
We just downloaded it and tried it (bringing my total Facetime experiences to two, both of which occurred about 10 feet from the person on the other end). The interface is more iOS-y than normal for OS X. The picture quality was pretty good (the Mac being wired, iPhone 4 being wireless of course).

Simple to use, pretty good stuff.
Um well let's see.

The book writer creates the book. For an iPhone App that's the same as the game developer/development studio. Ok, got that.

The book publisher physically creates the finished product and distributes it wholesale. That's totally different to the world of iPhone apps/phone apps. The developer creates the finished product (the binary) not the publisher and there is no wholesale distribution, as you can only sell it through one place - the iTunes App Store.

So, your answer kind of makes no sense and doesn't move the conversation forward.
Well, if you're going to stick malware in your OS X app, there's nothing stopping you from doing it right now.

Why you would wait until there is an app store that gives a large company a lot more information on who you are and where the authorities should come find you before inserting malware, I can't even begin to guess.
1.4ghz chip at the low end? I suppose that explains in part where the good battery life and low cost is coming from.
Recursion has always been my favorite example of how learning math helps understand programming. If you've ever proven something by induction, you should have no problem understanding recursion.
Isn't the Core 2 Duo rather old? Why did they use that instead of a more recent i3/i5/i7?
Probably means nothing for Steam. Steam has the big advantage of being cross-platform. Game devs planning to only target the Mac (or Mac and iPhone/iPad) would probably be better off going with the App Store.

Developers planning to go cross-platform to Windows would be better off with Steam.
Not just that, but ports on each side. No more external mouse cables wrapping around the computer.
Hooray, I called it! I was asking when they were going to do this a few months ago. It seems like a pretty obvious step, of course - they have that Mac Software link in the Apple menu in Finder, but it just links to a fairly boring website.
That's the display department.