skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Can’t you blend them? In other words I’d love to work in an organization that can politely call bullshit early and often. It is possible to fundamentally disagree without making it personal.

Really good to see him acknowledge this and tackle it head on. I hope he gains a better perspective. Thank goodness for Linus and Linux!
Speaking as Russian, I'd speculate that China is the subject to the same effect when having collective memory of socialism when property belonged to nobody makes for a society where cheating the System (big foreign company would seem close to it) isn't that big of a vice, if any, and may be even a sign of being smart/entrepreneural.
Is the new industry you are working in penetration testing?
"This is the World’s FIRST USB c to 3.5mm audio adapter that supports listening music from usb c phone and charging the phone simultaneously"

Whelp, good thing those Android phone makers ensured this existed before pulling the plug ... oh, wait ...
Typical Appeal to emotion nonsense

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion
Dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18000698
There’s a difference between negative feedback and being rude. The former is necessary when crappy work gets submitted, the latter drives people away before giving them a chance to improve. The way you phrased your question implies that there’s an exclusive choice to be made here, which is not the case.

How much toxicity a project can tolerate is in inverse proportion to how important it is, but every project has its limits no matter what.

I think this is a wise choice. Either Torvalds needs to figure out people better, or he needs to bring in a lieutenant who can handle people more effectively than he does.
That's true. But OVH provides a free private network with all public cloud instances, just like AWS and GCP. If we are comparing apples to apples.
Roughly* 50%:

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original...
It looks like this is the best alternative. But what is their business model? I just gave them access to iCloud and FastMail and gmail. Are they now scanning everything and selling it?
Being combative rarely works out the way you want to, at least in my experience. That being said, it's still important to have standards beyond just empathy. I hope that Linus, and the Linux community can "do both" in some sense.
I wish he had recognised this six years ago:

https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/23/75

This email alone set the tone for what was acceptable.

It was discussed previously:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5107495
When all you need to do breach someone's privacy and often the law is publish:

<a href="https://www.facebook.com">Facebook</a>

then you need to learn about security and privacy and how to defend your users against the failings endemic in the web.
Also, I'd give better than even odds that GP's "right" answer is a pet solution of theirs that other people of similar background and skill level would contest.

I don't disagree with the practice of giving simple questions with solution spaces well understood by the interviewer. I use it myself. However, I force myself to accept any answer that correctly identifies tradeoffs as correct and I have to intentionally suppress my inclination towards a specific set of weights on those tradeoffs in order to be fair. This doesn't seem to be nearly as common as it ought to be.
Why doesn't BDFLhood scale? Eventually people step down (Python, now Linux) -- but I'd say those projects have been wildly successful.
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The long answer to your question is essentially the entire field of Developer Experience Design, but good intros to it are this Joel Splosky post:
https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/10/controlling-your-e...

And this talk at pyTexas: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-vZ_E1OO_PY

I think git does have some significant design warts but I think when we use the word ‘empathy’ in this context, we should remember that we are referring to a skill not some innate quality that makes someone more or less human.
> I need to take
a break to get help on how to behave differently and fix some issues
in my tooling and workflow.

I find it interesting that this is happening now instead years/ decades earlier.
Site is down, but here's a mirror: https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/ms...
> Why is this always framed this in terms of old vs new technology?

Good point - that's not how it's framed for the Mac Pro: "Hey, man, forget about these old rectangular computers. New computers are round! That's just the way it is; go with the flow. Round is new, so it's better!!1!!1"
"Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow." - Linus Torvalds

A rude leader drives people away from the organization. It is directly counterproductive.
Yes. Tech people the world over need to remember the person. I don't even mean in a slightly soppy 'everyone is a real person with real feelings' way. I mean that in a practical sense you really hit productivity if you're rude. Simple exchanges or corrections become arguments because one party was acerbic or inflammatory which caused the second party to be defensive. The discussion gets derailed, the point gets lost. Nobody learns. The project deviates.

Social skills and emotional intelligence aren't fluff that smart people don't have to deal with. If you want to make great software and create great organisations you have to treat people with professionalism and respect.
A certain sort of ruthlessness and lack of empathy, accompanied by having an extraordinarily driven personality, certainly seems to often make things happen (see also: Steve Jobs). The ages-old question is – is it worth it? Do ends justify the means?
I don't see why you'd ever need to go further than "I strongly believe that your view is incorrect, and here is why". Attacking people is not "calling bullshit"
I'm curious what culture at Google you object to?
As someone familiar with LBT's mailing list rhetoric since the early days, I'm guessing a big part of what's happening here is that LBT hasn't changed the way he communicates but the rest of the world has moved on. And let's face it, the engineering and programming world has gotten a lot more politically correct—I think the main factor driving this is the increasing presence of women in technology.

What I mean is that it's getting less and less acceptable in tech to make excuses for abusing people either verbally or in writing. Back when engineering was almost totally male-dominated, you were excused for using harsh criticism and vituperation at work. Many people, I think, will be glad that sort of culture is going away.
the airpods charge wirelessly but the case that charges them doesnt as far as im aware so they still have a connector thats a potential point of failure just like a jack
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If someone reviews your code, it will sting when they point out silly mistakes. The insults that the kernel devs fling about just aren't needed to drive home the point.
Probably should include the red green show - for a bit of redneck engineering https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUXPuYZ4DEQ&list=PLYA1dURVg2...
Is that really a myth though? Being surly and right can be workable indefinitely. As opposed to success via being polite and flattering while being wrong. Fundamentally they would be a parasite. Not a dichotomous extreme though in that it is better not to be rude unless it is called for. And rudeness can be very called for in response to evil.
I have to wonder if Linux would even be remembered other than as a footnote at this time without his forceful personality being in the mix.

Many things fail when they get pecked to death by ducks. His forceful personality carried the day on many occasions.
I think it's important to react to people's progress with encouragement rather than, "Why didn't you do this sooner?" We all have issues we should've worked on by now and may not ever work on.

This is, of course, separate from holding him accountable for treating others badly. He can and should have consequences when that happens.
People change over time. If you are the same person today as 10 years ago you're doing something wrong. Good for him
Are you looking at the iOS size as listed in the app store? They don't show the 'thinned' size - the actual download size for your device can be much smaller. For Android, developers have to generate separate builds, which already have the final size.
don't forget carykh!

https://www.youtube.com/user/carykh
Still way larger than reported Android `.apk`.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17998207 and marked it off-topic.
I don’t think it has anything to do with so-called PC or women, it’s just unprofessional behavior and tech has gone from people in a garage to the leaders on the market in that same time. Tech grew up, became a profession, and perforce people involved have had to grow up too. It has literally nothing to do with the usual culture war bullshit that gets paraded around. It’s sort of tragic that some people have so little experience in the real world beyond the tech bubble that they think basic standards of decorum and professionalism are gendered.
You won't just leave your own scooter behind on the sidewalk. Conversely, you could just as well leave a dockless rental bike behind.

Or you continue riding the bike, without e-assist.
This seems incredibly racist. There could be low level employees of other ethnicities or countries of origin leaking information. That’s like saying ban all muslims from entering the US due to their ‘track record’
Food is made of many different elements, all of which have different reflective qualities. A 3D printed gravy-soaked chicken and salad, in far finer detail than is currently achievable, would still look fake, even from a distance. In many cases, oil paintings are made from paints with near-uniform reflective properties, which would work far better, assuming that such properties could be reproduced in some special-purpose 3D printing material.
Agreed. What can be worse than having a comment to the effect of "if x is -1, which is feasible, this will cause undefined behaviour resulting in a crash". For most people this stings more than enough.
Dupe, with a lot of discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18000698
I got the feeling reading that, that Torvald is burned out and frustrated.

I know as a kid helping father with a project, sometimes he could be a bit frustrated, maybe I wasn't grabbing the correct size tool, or holding the flashlight in the right place. Maybe Linus feels like that?
I graduated a couple of years ago. I sent over 200 application (Linkedin, custom CV/cover or generic CV and email ...) , all I can tell you is not to give up, there is a lot of luck in the process but eventually you'll find your breakthrough.
Bluetooth is alright for audio only like listening to music. For games though (a huge percentage of users) Bluetooth is trash on the iPhone. The latency is a huge issue; something will occur in game and then there are noticeable delays before you here the accompanying sound. This ruins the immersion of games when it happens.
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Seems Amazon has a bug, or some delivery issues. But prime shipping suddenly seems to be 9 days?

Based on
https://twitter.com/krues8dr/status/1041330029219799040

and
https://twitter.com/hussmanjp/status/1041392943414816769
> This is more like the time I got out of kernel development for a while because I needed to write a little tool called "git". I need to take a break to get help on how to behave differently and fix some issues in my tooling and workflow.

Oh nice, so he's going to write another ground-breaking piece of software that will change how we do software. :)

Kidding aside, I think his comment is well-thought and I wish him all the best. Btw. I don't think his (sometimes heavily criticized) way of communication is that bad, it's more a clash of different kinds of culture - he is Finnish and used to a very direct way of communication and confrontation (which can be good and bad). That doesn't excuse some of his (admittedly uncalled for) rants, but I don't think he wants to sound as harsh as he often comes across ...
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That doesn't sound plausible to me. Tech has been "grown up" in terms of professionalism for a long time. What didn't catch up was emotional intelligence and workplace ethos. What is new is that people aren't going to tolerate Linus ranting at them and their colleagues and cussing them out anymore like in the old days. And I'm sticking to my guns, thinking that a lot of this has to do with a more diverse workplace (and the pressure doesn't have to come from the LKML, but from the larger software engineering ethos).

Linus is a very smart guy, and I'm glad he's accepted that he needs to change. He should be lauded for that.
He could, and still can. Literally nothing's stopping him other than a personal decision to subjectively improve his behavior.

You can absolutely be rude and insulting as long as you're right.
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Way to go Linus... this is a great lesson for all of us!

It's easy to get caught-up in the heat of the moment and say and do things that we regret. We've all done it. It's part of being human. The key is to realize it, apologize and do better.
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He specifically said he wasn't burned out. I agree that he does sound frustrated, though maybe with himself more than with any particular folks.
Linus and I draw our paychecks from the same place: The Linux Foundation. I've only been there three and a half years, but the "no brilliant assholes" line in the hiring process has always rung hollow.

Glad to see this is being addressed.
Not sure if this is the case because Linus always appeared to go over the limit even to the most old style, cold and technology focused engineers. You may not get into the empathy thing and yet be able to avoid replying in certain wrong ways, keeping the reply focused on the technical points, without attacking the human being and so forth. Moreover to be honest I don't even think that the way he used to handle it guaranteed the best technological outcome too, since some soft touch is needed in order to spur people to do their best.
People have been able to build successful organizations without being abrasive dickheads to their colleagues and subordinates all the time. I think it's a false dichotomy.
> As opposed to success via being polite and flattering while being wrong.

> And rudeness can be very called for in response to evil.

You have constructed quite the strawman to argue against the myth, well done.
Tech has been a profession longer than you or I have been alive.
Men deserve to be treated with respect too. I'm a man, and I would absolutely quit any job where someone talked to me the way LBT did in his emails. I'm sure someone reading this thinks that makes me a snowflake.
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Never thought about it like that, but you are exactly right.
It's not a matter of thickness. The Moto Z is 5.2mm thick and has USB-C, vs the iPhone 7 at 7.1mm.
> is the increasing presence of women in technology.

you have statistics on that? if anything it has been declining during the entirety of Linux's existence https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/women-in-tech_n_69...
I remember criticizing Linus' sarcastic comments on here some time ago. I was surprised by the number of people that defended him saying stuff like "Linus is just Linus" or "he needs to be like that to keep Linux moving forward". I personally think his brilliance would be even more appreciated if he were a bit less sarcastic.
People can be ruthless without being abusive. Linus had effectively ultimate power over the kernel for quite some time, so he could have said things like:

"I disagree with this patch and I'm not going to merge it. It does these things wrong, and this line of reasoning makes no sense. Change these things and explain the reasoning behind this and I'll look at it again."

Most of his rants that I've read could have been summarized by that without including any personal attacks.
Doctor who's "Vincent and the doctor" is great as well, but a tearjerker of an ending.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_and_the_Doctor
> when engineering was almost totally male-dominated, you were expected to be able to bear harsh criticism and vituperation

I don’t you intended this, but at first read your comment comes across as sexist. It implies men could take the heat while women can’t. More than being offensive, I find it untrue. Anger-driven management doesn’t scale. Tech has scales, and its heroes of yore much brave a bigger world than they were originally used to.
> And Git has the UX of software created by someone with no empathy.

I would really like to understand what you expect a UX for a command line tool to look like. Maybe instead of throwing an error if you did something wrong, it would apologize to you first? Or perhaps it should preface all output with "dearest Sir/Madam, here is the information you requested:" ?
Hey, I agree totally. I wasn't suggesting that respect and empathy are only for women, they're for everybody.
If you look at the tech world of the 80s, 90% of it was very buttoned-up and proper, despite being male-dominated.
The rudeness comes from Linux' roots in a youth-dominated hacker subculture. It just doesn't work very well when they aren't teenage hackers anymore, but have gone mainstream and are working at it in a professional capacity.
>That's the second BFDL stepping down (this one claims to go just for a while), after Guido. And note that this is one is also about psychology.

It's not the first and is unlikely to be the last time Linus takes a break - it's not really stepping down.

Everyone needs some time away from something when they've spent decades working on it.
> Maybe this will finally end the myth that "you can be rude and insulting as long as you're right" that people seem to attribute to Linus's outbursts

It is not the trueness or falseness of that myth that has changed, but the mainstream in the society.
probably and were i not jobless, homeless and using a knackered old laptop with several non working keys including the at/apostrophe key and incredibly intermittent shift keys id likely use them more often but such is life
Ladies' bikes and underbone frames give plenty of room for long coats or dresses. They're very common for commuter bikes.

Similarly, fenders are standard equipment, you almost have to go out of your way to find a bike without them.
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He reserved the insults for bad design decisions defended by senior committers. It's not like he threw out insults to anybody who ever made a mistake.
I see (and emphatize with!) too many projects and ideas.

As a side note, I am learning Vue.js right now (my motivation: brining deep learning to the browser, with nice, modular interfaces: https://inbrowser.ai/).
Men and women express aggression in different ways. While they can both be toxic, female aggression is more acceptable at this time.

Linus was forceful at times, but his focus was on the work, not on trying to make people feel bad.

Be critical all you want, but his achievement is amazing.
>and they would immediately be untrusted for doing so

Untrusted by whom? Let me remind you that Google also owns the most popular browser used to access the web. There are already plenty of websites that don't work in any other browser. So they won't even notice if non-Google browsers suddenly don't trust the certificate anymore.
I didn't intend that. What I'm implying is that "men taking the heat" and having supposedly thicker skin was the excuse used to justify the lack of empathy and sociopathic behaviour in the culture.
Yeah maybe I took it from when he said he had been attending a conference for 20 years and was hoping he didn't have to.

He does say he loves the project and wants to continue and compared it to when he developed git
> Which kind of brings me to the other point - would Torvalds be Torvalds if he was treated before?

Some years ago I had to go to therapy for some issues of my own and back then I was afraid that it would fundamentally change who I am in some way. In retrospect that was a foolish thought. It made me wait longer to seek help than I should and in the end I was still like my old self (but better).
Depends on what you'll be working on at Google, IMHO. Coding to sell more ads? Hell no. Coding to siphon more data on users from adjacency businesses to eventually sell more ads? Also hell no. That's like 85% of Google's business, so...
I don't know if it is worth it, but history is filled with people who treated others around them badly but achieved outsized success that much of humans can only dream of - including art (Picasso was terrible to others), military (Genghis Khan was ruthless to his own army), business etc.
Surprised Cody'sLab isn't mentioned yet. Lots of chemistry/physics in a somewhat DIY environment. Occasionally he also gets things that definitely aren't DIY.
That's what inspired OP to create this post in the first place
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I feel like Jobs was successful despite being abusive, not because of it.
Thank you for taking the time to provide the feedback. We'll definitely take it on board.
I have used duckduckgo a few years ago, I found myself going back to google "!g" often. More recently, I started using Qwant it seems to be better (subjectively) but from time to time I find myself heading to google again.
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> People can be ruthless without being abusive.

Everybody has a different conviction about what is abusive and what is not.
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