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Armchair General warning:

If you've seen the videos of the F-15s, you know that the stolen plane was definitely within engagement range [0]. It's pretty clear to me that the decision not to shoot down the plane was very intentional.

I agree that a rogue plane over a densely populated area is a nightmare scenario, but also consider that debris from a shot down plane and/or an air-to-air missile over a populated area could be quite bad or worse. Couple this with the fact that the hijacker was communicating with ATC and showed no hostile intent, and it makes sense that the plane was not shot down.

If I was in charge of this operation, I would have given the instruction not to shoot down the plane unless it started to make moves towards a populated area.

[0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=HJld_TYTcAE
Surprising it has taken decades for someone to try this. At least we don't have to wait on delayed planes while the pilot tracks down the key...
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> IIRC, the plane flew over several densely populated areas before going down

Which one of these areas would’ve been the best to shoot him down over?

I thought the fighter jets were to make sure he didn’t head into downtown Seattle?
> I can imagine a thousand horrifically different ways this could have turned out

Like what? It's a small prop plane with a tiny amount of fuel and mass. Stealing a truck is considerably easier and can be used to do considerably more damage.

This 'hurr so scary we need to act' line of reasoning is why people have traded all their freedoms away in exchange for illusionary protection. The attack surface from a malicious actor is near infinite. Worry about the fact that your country's healthcare system kills hundreds of thousands of people every year by denying treatment, not about what a guy in a light aircraft could have done.
Cory Doctorow on how surveillance capitalism harms you and harms societies. http://locusmag.com/2018/07/cory-doctorow-zucks-empire-of-oi...
It's fine if you are going to have your cars remotely controlled with a latency > 150 ms while they operate autonomously as things happen in a shorter time frame.

But the other way around seems insane.

It's reminiscent of the way people have switched from "human drives, computer deals with emergencies" to "computer drives, human deals with emergencies" as though it was no big difference.
> When e.g. AWS Cloudfront, Amazon's Content Delivery Network talks about "Edge Caching" it simply refers to the Amazon datacenter closest to whoever requests the site.

Kind of? If by "datacenter" they mean the things they said earlier that AWS had 18 of, then no, not really. There are many more Cloudfront points of presence that there are AWS regions (over 100 of the former). In practice unless someone lives very close to a proper AWS region (like I do here in DC), odds are there's a Cloudfront PoP much closer to them than a "datacenter" (i.e., AWS region).
Time (aka risk) matters. The fact that certain assets only have a "guaranteed" return over periods of 30 years or longer significantly limits the kind of people that are willing to flock to them.
AFAIK there’s not problem with https in China - today most companies use https for their websites and app servers, see Baidu, Taobao, JD, etc. Maybe BBC didn’t register things correctly with the govt or the govt is just specifically targeting them. But the article’s title is a little misleading by implying that https leads to GFW blocking.
Performative Scolding at it's worst.
The problem, of course, is that the signals and conventions you speak of only make sense at automobile scale. Drivers can (and obviously will) express outrage at scooters and jaywalkers and bicyclists and whatever else until our sun burns out and all life is gone, but non-drivers aren’t going to consistently follow rules that make no sense for the scale at which they’re operating.

The solution isn’t to get non-cars to act more like cars. The solution is to modify the streetscape to accommodate all viable modes. Drivers obviously aren’t going to like this, either, because they currently get so much deference that there’s basically no place to go but down.
Because aside from not being trained to fly an aircraft, the pilot didn't seem to have any murderous intent.

Killing an American citizen who is not presenting an immediate threat still needs a higher bar than "It's easier."

Thankfully, the military pilots stayed cool in a situation like this and waited until they received orders to fire.
> "Edge Caching" it simply refers to the Amazon datacenter closest to whoever requests the site

I can't speak for AWS, but for GCP there are many more Edge and CDN points of presence than there are datacenters:

https://cloud.google.com/about/locations/ (flip to Network tab in map)

And in Google's case "Edge" simply means where you exit the public internet and get on to Google's own network:

https://peering.google.com/#/infrastructure

Although there are also "edge nodes" (caches) located within ISPs outside the Google network.

Disclaimer: I work at GCP, but not on networking.
About half of Americans don't have a passport, and many oppose a national ID card.
Probably those apps open pages in the browser (reddit posts certainly qualify), so this could happen if he uses Chrome (or uses Chrome for custom tabs) and has sync turned on. Chrome's browsing history can show up in Web & App Activity if the option "Include Chrome browsing history and activity from websites and apps that use Google services" is turned on: https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/54068?co=GENIE.P...
If you have a choice between knowingly killing a man (and perhaps several people on the gound) and waiting for him to likely crash on his own but possibly land the plane with no injuries, why would you choose the former? You can always fire on him later if it looks like he's going to be a danger to large populated areas, but if you fire on him now you know you're going to be a danger.

Both TFA and your link indicate that ATC had him flying over Puget Sound, the Olympics, and other sparsely-populated areas, and had vectored all other traffic away from him. It's likely that when he flew over densely populated areas it was before the F-15s were scrambled. Watching and seeing how the situation plays out is probably their safest option in this case.
Would you mind naming the 'absolute best tv series'? I'm not a big fan of television, but that sounds interesting.
I would imagine there is set of criteria which would absolutely trigger the fighters to bring down the plane, but those were not met, and those in charge erred on the side of caution. Bringing it down aggressively would not be without its own risks, as the aircraft and debris are still going to crash down somewhere. Additionally it means taking the life of a citizen, and causing a lot of damage that the National Guard is then somewhat responsible for, and potential PR backlash. I believe it was clear early on in this case that the guy was not a terrorist, and he didn't intend to hurt anyone, so adopting a "wait and see" approach seems quite smart.
> "Mr. Russell...had worked his shift on Friday."

So glad they told us this important fact. I wonder if his final direct deposit (to his estate) will include that days' pay or if it will count as a vacation day?

Has the news always been this inane?
The Bombardier Q400 can seat 80 people and weighs 40,000 lbs empty.
When did people on this site start using the word "modulo" for something other than the modulo operator in mathematics?
While this is an interesting discussion, it doesn't explicitly make the point that there's typically a tradeoff between network latency and processing speed. Even if I'm using some server with 500 msec network rtt, I come out ahead if doing whatever locally would take over 500 msec longer.
And to think, even if they decided to take him down, it would have likely been over a populated area. Unless they disintegrated it with missiles while in the sky, it likely would have ended in a catastrophe. The decision to not take the plan out as soon as they had the chance to safely was interesting. Their lack of action could have resulted in the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands of people.

Interestingly enough though, a lot of people aren't too mad at what he did. Quite a few people have paid their respects to this guy. He took the plane, saw some great views and did a barrel roll, then told the fighter pilot guys he was going to bring it down himself. I do like that most sources aren't trying to paint this guy as the devil. Sure what he did was wrong, but he sure did go out in style. Who else can ever say they did a freaking barrel roll in a commercial airliner.

The way the news outlets handled this was sickening. They all hopped on the opportunity to make a headline that they knew damn well would lead people to believe a fully loaded plane was hijacked mid flight.

Now the implications that a ground crew person was able to board a plan unnoticed, and take off is insane. This brings up the whole perspective of sleeper agents and inside jobs. Most data breaches are from insider threats, who's to say the next big thing isn't mass deaths resulting from insider threats.

Nice to see this was down voted?
.. except that "fire-dependent forests" are undergrad level knowledge in Forestry Science.. e.g.

United States Department of Agriculture
Forest Service
Pacific Northwest Research Station
General Technical Report
PNW-GTR-727 July 2007
So a janitor who works for the US/English/Chinese/Iran government who has a baby on Canadian soil also can't get citizenship for their kids?

But someone working for a overseas private company can.

Seems kinda convoluted.
Hmmm, I think my new how-can-I-figure-out-how-to-do-that might be coming up with creative ways to be a recycling center's loading dock coordinator. More specifically, it sounds like I want to be the person in charge of disposals.

Now to figure out how to make this happen....
Correct. Every neighborhood around SeaTac is densely populated.
> I've never heard of this problem with immigrants coming to Canada just to give their children Canadian citizenship before, I'd love to see some documentation.

A good start might be to search "CBC birth tourism". (The CBC isn't some right-wing mouthpiece, but it has reported on the issue. Usually using the perspective like that something is going on that some conservatives (i.e. no, not us) would like to end.)

Birth tourism isn't immigration. These mothers have no status in Canada and aren't going through any immigration process to become permanent residents or citizens. They are just sneaking in their kids ahead of the immigration queue by the mere fact that those kids were delivered while on a well-timed vacation in Canada.

It's vicious and despicable; like an insect injecting its eggs into a host.

> right wing rhetoric in the United States that claims Mexican women do the same

Calling something "rhetoric" is a rhetorical device.

Is that rhetoric true or false?
Which is about half of the weight of a loaded 18 wheeler.
People mostly emigrate for work or family, so the risk comes with a much greater benefit than the very small chance of deciding an election.
I'm a pretty fast walker and I go about 3.5-3.8mph, so you are going ~3 times faster than me.
My uninformed guess is that the F-15 were scrambled to intercept if the plane started heading towards Bangor, Bremerton shipyards or JBLM.

Lots of military bases and critical infra up in the PNW, thankfully it didn't appear to be the case in this incident.
Hmmm. I thought that much of Hollywood's VFX work had been outsourced to Vancouver (and elsewhere). So there's a different dynamic at play than for domestic writers: a globalized race to the bottom.
It seemed to be implying someone might want to, if they had lower latency. And the issue is how can you guarantee sufficiently low latency 100% of the time? You need a fallback, and if you have a fallback, why do you need such low latency?
Has that always been the case? If so, then paper ballots have never been a problem for those jurisdictions, why is it suddenly one now?
A bus isn’t much smaller.
Does anyone know what visualization tool the author used to create the AWS architecture diagram? It looks really cool.
Gravity has less of an impact on something already on the ground
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Yeah, I almost let it go but then I figured, what's the harm? It was a good discussion. Well met.
> What PII is usually in them?

It really depends. There are a lot of dynamics at play, and depending on the source of the transaction data it may or may not have identity data tied to it, or be in a format that would easily be identifiable when combined with other data sources. Some sources would consider identity data itself as a competitive advantage, and only sell anonymous or aggregate data to others. Other sources would have no value out of withholding the identity data, and would capitalize on the opportunity to include it in their feed for a premium.

Feel free to email me if you want to learn more (email in profile). I'm not an expert on consumer data, but used to source business-related data feeds in a past life and got a glimpse of the consumer data side of things.
Oh ok, I was about to start freaking out. This just looks like AWS salesperson had some doc in a world readable bucket - sort of like if a building contractor forgot the proposed plans for a superhero HQ in a public dropbox folder. The AWSery seems almost incidental.
This is a strange use of the word "edge". Especially because, as others here have noted, it doesn't include a clear indication of the "core", aside from maybe large datacenters.

The older usages of "edge" are from the networking world, where infrastructure and technologies have a relatively sharp distinction between "core/backbone/trunk networking" (large trunk lines, intercontinental fiber links, etc.) and "edge networking" (last-mile telco infrastructure, routers handling one building or campus of a company, etc)

From this networking perspective, both the end-users local device and the centrally-hosted server are at the edge, though AWS will have more reliable and lower-latency connections to the internet core than your cell phone.
9/11 was an inside job.
Why the hell would Google offer a free service, and publicly commit to privacy in this way, just so they can lie and put the rest of their revenue at risk when a big law suit hits?

That’s bananas.
That photo about the 486... I'm guessing the plan exists on the internet somewhere, right?

If not, I wonder if whatever the photo was of shows the whole plan.
> As a pedestrian walking on already crowded sidewalks

The real pathology here is that we allow automobiles to pass so freely through anywhere lucky enough to have over-crowded sidewalks.

One can imagine a quieter, safer, more humane Midtown Manhattan in which scooters and bicycles and pedestrians coexist in harmony.

Instead one experiences the insane and constant honking of frustrated drivers, who, like a baby who doesn’t know why it cries, demand that their problems require the attention of your ears, too.
The recordings are surreal. He was talking about how beautiful Mount Rainer was and how he was going to check out the Olympics. He even asked for the coordinates to that Orca pod up here that's been in the news lately. I immediately got the sense he wasn't a threat, at least not intentionally - just a guy a bit lost. (Yes obviously I know he was still a major threat regardless of if he meant to do any harm.)
https://arcentry.com/
Do you have a point? Your comment isn't applicable to the conversation we're having in this thread.
In response, the museum just created https://twitter.com/Compustory, and it looks like they'll be Tweeting something (presumably very interesting) weekly every Monday.

Source: https://twitter.com/Compustory/status/1028416631943262208

This is awesomeness all around
For all the effort we've put into moving spreadsheets and financial data to the cloud, there's just no replacing the immediate feedback of a local Excel app when doing What-If-Analysis, Goal Seeking... or a dozen other financial tasks.

Keeping "the edge" in sync with a centralized system-of-record via intelligent Excel add-ins is beginning to look like our big bet for 2019 (and beyond?)
It’s kind of hard to drive an 18 wheeler into the middle of a building at 600 mph.

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It's not like the engine start procedure on one of those things is a turnkey solution. The amount of domain knowledge needed serves as a form of soft security.
That's not how Bayesian statistics work. In this model (on which statistical learning and information theory based) a probability does not require nondeterminism, just incomplete information; and a probability is defined with respect to a certain amount/type of information. (Actually information is defined in terms of things that change probability, and probability is the more "core" concept.)

So for example, if someone rolls a six-sided die, hides it from you, and asks what the probability of a "6" is, under Bayesian theory it's 1/6; if they then tell you that the number rolled was odd, the probability of a "6" drops to zero, even though nothing physically changed, purely because you now have more information.

This is generally a much more useful and intuitive definition of probability than to say "the probability of it being a 6 is either 0 or 1, I just don't know yet".
Said 18 wheeler isn't traveling 130mph :)
Likely Arcentry. Another company in the space is https://cloudcraft.co/
Technically gravity has more of an impact on something already on the ground, r being smaller
Babylon 5 for example. It’s still some of the best Sci-Fi and I regularly rewatch it every few years.
Isn’t resin.io open source?
Fed-up locals are setting electric scooters on fire and burying them at sea
"Parsing with Derivatives". http://matt.might.net/papers/might2011derivatives.pdf There's a lot of stuff about this online now

Or just use Prolog.

(I'm not joking. I've been messing with parsers and such in Prolog the past week or so and I'm just blown away. I'm happy but also I feel stupid for not learning it sooner. I've wasted so much time and effort. I've been working too hard. Just learn Prolog and then use it, the total time saved will pay for the learning curve by the end of the year.)
Kavinator said:

>It's vicious and despicable; like an insect injecting its eggs into a host.

The fact that you would refer to another human being looking for a better future for their child (and their child alone) as an insect is a validation of my assumptions about your character after seeing your first comment. I have no further comments.
Related: exactly the same kind of thing as what happened in this thread, except in Spain, in 2016, and about typewriters: https://twitter.com/mwichary/status/791709895083102209
Can you quote or share said law that you speak of?
Why does the top editor of the New York Times make so little money? (2014)
I don't have a static address. I go through an ISP...
I was used it in math undergrad 18 years ago, so it isn't an invention of hacker news
Read A Deepness in the Sky for a dystopian/cynical view of this technological advancement.
P = mv
KE = 1/2 m v^2
definitely not chance. It happened several times. The most recent is me doing a search for Talend on Chrome. The next time I open up Facebook on the Firefox container, a Talend advertisement is right there...
I think we are now trying to work from axioms to a legal question neither of us are qualified to answer. But my current understanding is: working for a giant company while knowingly breaking the law, whether or not your company tells you to do it, does not shield you in any way from criminal liability.

As I understand it, the "interesting" questions here are the extent to which you can hold directors or even major shareholders responsible for criminal conduct --- people who may not have been directly implicated in crimes themselves. But if you commit a crime while working for Dow Chemical, or instruct someone to commit a crime who then does so, Dow's liability shield can't keep you out of prison.
> Google DNS is not used in any way to associate to your Google account

OK, but it's still used to gather more information about how people are using the internet - what domains are popular, where they are being loaded from, etc. etc. etc.
Sometimes 1.1.1.1 is used as a testing value, and can get blocked for reasons. CloudFlare is getting a huge amount of spam IP traffic to 1.1.1.1 from misconfigured equipment, it wouldn't be too surprising if some upstreams have firewalled valid IPs.
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Excellent article that I thoroughly enjoyed. I had no idea there was any other compelling explanation for the dinosaurs' extinction other than an asteroid but it makes sense. It's definitely convincing enough that it shouldn't be dismissed outright and it sounds like about half of the scientific community is doing just that.
> Surprising it has taken decades for someone to try this.

It last happened 7 years ago. From the article:

> Colton Harris-Moore, nicknamed the Barefoot Bandit, was sentenced in 2011 for stealing small planes, which he had learned to fly himself as a teenager after reading flight manuals.
What would you like to know? I did help set up a few things there. There's a special netboot-like version of Xinu deployed on the backend systems which are just Beagle/Galileo/whatever's been upgraded, and they deploy whatever Xinu image you've supplied. Students typically compile locally and submit the xbin (compiled kernel image) to a backend.
For the record according to this link, https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/ AWS operates in 18 geographies (called) regions... These are not data centers. There are 55 availability zones (AZs) at AWS regions, and each AZ has at least 1 data center..12 more AZs at 4 more regions are also announced
Printers sold by Lexmark until 2009 used Xinu onboard. Now they're some lightweight Linux.
The article states that some scientists disagree and have evidence to back their claim that life was on it's way out.
Not Linksys routers! They're typically Beaglebone/Galileo cards or something newer now. They actually run a special netboot-like version of Xinu that deploys your compiled xbin. (So it's like Xinu running Xinu...) There also was no such hypervisor, mostly TAs that responded to email complaints and took systems offline when hogged on accident.
The paycheck might goto restitution.
Yes, they seem to think that the song has a single incarnation and didn't go through an iterative process of creative development.
I'm not sure they were terribly worried about JBLM considering they were trying to talk him into landing there.
Interesting.

But as an external package it still has the issues I described as not being part of the defaults of the culture. Without that it just becomes a nice-to-have that only people serious about writing good quality, usable code are going to use. And these are the people most likely to have good documentation in any case.
Once upon a time, a colleague and myself attempted to rewrite Xinu in Rust to show Dr. Comer how cool it was. Rust did not work. It was not cool. Dr. Comer simply smiled a gentle "I told you so," as he had good reasons for sticking to C.
The language here indicates they think they are growing a "platform". I guess i don't really get how a global network of WeWork sites will add value to their clientele. Are they expecting people to want to join WeWork over a local competitor because they know if they go to city X for business there will be a WeWork office available for them? Is that really worth a lot to their clients that they will pay a premium for it?
Unless they disintegrated it with missiles while in the sky, it likely would have ended in a catastrophe.

And even then I imagine the raining shrapnel (likely burning too) would cause plenty of chaos itself.

The outcome of this was probably near the best (the best being the guy managing to land the plane safely and survive) --- it could've been much much worse.