skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I'd recommend the Sinica podcast, they have done several shows on surveillance tech and the Chinese state, including one focusing on xinjiang and these camps.

Big tech in China is closely linked to government social engineering.
Characteristically, when videos of muslims cutting christian and "wrong type" of muslim heads are openly circulating internet, UN shows no slightest concern.
I hope that I see for once before I die a single report by BBC of what Muslims from Indonesia to Mali are doing with minorities, gays, even other Muslims from different sects other than Sunnis. I hope that BBC does a single report about the extremist Muslim neighborhoods in the UK and other European countries. I hope that I can express my opinions in this website without getting massively downvoted within seconds.
Sorry. My comment was specifically talking about, why all the vitriol? But I suppose that's just another comment in the sea of the flamewar.
Chicago is a real city with skyscrapers and trains and everything. Any experience you want - whether white-picket-fence suburbia, downtown glass-and-steel high rise, or trendy urban neighborhood with street life - is available at within a reasonable housing and commute time budget. The tech opportunities there are concentrated in Office Space-type cost center IT on one hand, and commodities trading on the other, so an engineering-first company would be highly attractive. You might get some domain-specific talent re: radios from the ghost of Motorola.

Chicago belongs in the same breath as NY/SF/LA, so wouldn't be seen as a huge step down for someone relocating, but is drastically cheaper.
vuepress also generates SEO friendly docs, eg when compared to docsify, but on the flip side docsify has full text search, while the default vuepress theme only searches headers (but since its seo ready most third party search will work ef algolia, google).
Are you talking about Xinjiang?
It's not whataboutism to point out that the vast majority of anti-Chinese propaganda being posted to HN is just that. There are real problems in Xinjang. Noted Xinjang politicians and academics do disappear. China has both secret courts and preventive detention. There is real evidence of this eg [1] [2].

But we don't get articles about the actual issues. We get this sort of breathless, fact-free nonsense about millions of people disappearing into "extrajudicial camps." It has no relation to reality and exists only to push a narrative and get clicks.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/10/world/asia/china-xinjiang...

[2] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/07/uighur-gradua...
I don't know what to tell you. You're continuing to argue but you seem to not be following my point. I've already long since told you we're in agreement that you need to account for syntactically possible but theoretically impossible algebras for computation. In so doing I have gone further and repeatedly stated that because division by zero is not actually possible in fields, the author should not have tried to use such a rigorous system to justify the practical, syntactical requirements of a programming language. It doesn't make sense to try and refute mathematical theory as the preamble of a programming language manifesto.

What exactly are you looking for me to say here?
I have to disagree -- this isn't sleight of hand. The standard definition isn't being violated here, because standard division isn't a total function. The denominator's domain in Hillel's function is a proper superset of the standard domain: when restricted to the standard domain, the two functions are precisely equivalent. Therefore, every standard identity still holds under Hillel.

The hole that he is filling here isn't one that he bored into the standard definition, but a hole that the standard definition already admitted. If something is explicitly undefined, there's nothing mathematically wrong with defining it, as long as the definition doesn't lead to inconsistency.
If you think a difference of opinion is casual racism or sexism, you're inventing terms so you don't have to deal with opinions other than your own. It's your way of hiding from people who are different than you.

That's why they're called opinions. Everyone has them, and accepting someone else's opinion is an important part of living in a diverse world.

I'm an introvert, I didn't date much in college, and I can't begin to count the number of faux pas extrovts made towards me. I'd never accuse someone of being a casual racist, sexist, ect, because they're different than me. The world runs smoother when I accept that most people aren't perfect.
This should be the top comment. INTEGERS are not a field. But that kind of makes the 0 choice worse? Even cpus always throw on integer divide by 0, so i don't really see the low level optimization. Does it enable some higher level optimization? Why not x/0 = x?
No, that is not necessary.

"Given an x, y, and N such that x/N == y/N, it is true that x == y".

There is no need to say N != 0 under the ordinary definition of division.
Multiculturalism is an opportunity
I'm Brazilian.
> He refutes them by asserting that the multiplicative inverse doesn't exist.

Yes - but in algebraic fields division by x is equivalent to multiplication by 1/x. This is precisely why you cannot have a field that admits division by 0: because 0 has no multiplicative inverse.
Nice post history. Please troll elsewhere.
Sure, but that doesn't mean the US has to trade with them or offer them access to its financial systems.
well its an interesting question.... if 'waste' is the limiting of movement of goods or services, then every single tarrif and trade barrier is theoretically a cause of 'waste', since at some point every single product that is under trade barrier winds up in a similar situation to this ship, does it not? even if it at a small scale.

so if someone makes 25 Talos Power9 computers and the market would support 25 of them, but there is a tarriff that discourages one from being sold, then you have 1 machine sitting there, essentially on a proverbial virtual boat. Maybe its not burning fuel, but its taking up space somewhere, costing rent and overhead. Not much but a little.
Now multiply that tiny amount times a billion other products ...

just a thought experiment...
I grew up in the Northeast.
Well, maybe it would take reducing CO2 production and geo-engineering to stop run away climate change.

But if Earth's various nation's can't collectively organize reduced CO2 production, and evidence so-far indicates they can't, trying to do geo-engineering by itself looks ridiculous and criminal on multiple levels (among the multiple methods of reducing CO2 and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, of course reduced production looks cheapest among them). And humanity's future appears similar if these trends continue. Note to the rich and other decision makers - no, you won't survive if the earth itself is dying, there is no escape for anyone in this scenario.
I was just in Phoenix last week after visiting the Grand Canyon.

I can't imagine _why_ someone would move from the 70F of SF to the 115F of Phoenix. Even at midnight it's still over 90*F.

This coming from someone who lives in DFW.
Seattle has significantly slowed.
Related: Fast rotation of a vector by a quaternion - http://forwardscattering.org/post/54
I just recently said something like this aloud in a casual conversation with a friend (Ad sales guy in NYC) and, through the awkward exchange that followed realized he thought emancipation was 300+ years ago. Given slavery is the most critical part of our nation’s history, I opted to not disctract with the dates of the revolutionary war.

This from someone from a wealthy family who attended private schools and has an MBA.
Surely you don't expect color profiles to work when f.lux is operating? I'm not sure what the point would be for color profiles when you're explicitly opting for distorted color reproduction with f.lux.

Is what you want more like "don't mess with the operation of color profiles when f.lux is disabled or otherwise shouldn't be adjusting the screen?"
Have you compared that number with countries where drug usage is legal?
Im more of a fan of the active space mirrors myself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_mirror_(climate_engineer... Complete control.
> If you're a connected young prince w/ a cushy party/govt job in China you're ballin' and life is goooood

I’ve recently been reading a lot about the late Roman republic. Cycles move faster nowadays. These people have a lot to worry about, and rational reasons to live fast.
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An average Chinese Joe's line of thinking is: look at the West, 9/11, London, Paris. We don't have a single bombing! These religious people are aggressive and bad! If it makes the country stable and harmonious, the government HAS to be strong!

No joking. Source: live in China for 10+ years.
fact check:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2xy51z/when_...

The "War Between the States" ended in 1865, so likely the last former slave died in the 1970s.
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Apart from that one comment, the remainder of this article - the vast majority of it - was a well presented argument about why the original post was flawed. That comment was obviously just an aside
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In 2017 or 2016, there was a Blackhat talks that explained how to trick the web cache on main popular website (including Paypal) into caching any web page. The trick is that many web cache just do a check on the extension (.jpg, .png) to check whether to cache a page or not. If you added ?foo=.png to any page, it would be cached. The host showed how he could trick any web visitor to access their Paypal account home page (if logged in) and cache any page that he would later visit.
I don't know about any video, but I have met Tibetan refugees in northern India and heard their stories about escaping via the Himalayan mountains, and the need to carefully avoid Chinese guards. The stories were haunting. Traversing the Himalayas is no joke.
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I wonder, how many people downvoted this without following the link to the comic? It's relevant, intelligent, and funny.
You not working on them is entirely different than Google not working on them AND the looming threat of a Google patent lawsuit preventing anyone else in the country from working on them too.
The human rights situation is appalling in Xinjiang, dont get me wrong. Chinese goverment doing this are near genocidal.

However it is another thing to claim 1m Uighurs are being forcibly detained somewhere. That is a lot of people. The Uighurs are not a large population. Everyone would know someone politically detained. We would have thousands of videos of people begging for information about the whereabouts of their loved ones.
This is interesting. I feel like they could play a role like Boise with Micron and the population boom. And support from the University as well.
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This is nonsense. If F is a field with elements x, y, then the quotient x/y is equivalent to the product x(1/y). If 0 has no multiplicative inverse, there is no division by 0. The two concepts are one and the same, just as is the case for subtraction and additive inverses. The problem is not that field theory doesn't tell you "what happens" when you divide by 0 - you haven't defined that, there is no what happens because nothing happens at all.

You can't engage with the problem because it only exists as a syntactical annoyance. You seem to acknowledge this, but then continue to argue when I explicitly tell you I am in agreement on that point. Then you proceed to argue the theoretical basis all over again.

I'm not going to continue arguing this with you. You're presently the only one in this thread who isn't following and I've tried to direct you to other resources. You've alternated between saying those proofs are either incorrect outright or not applicable because they don't have relevance for programming. If you actually believe division by 0 is possible in fields you have an immediately publishable math paper waiting for you to submit it.

Otherwise we're just talking past each other because my whole point here has been that the author's discussion of fields is irrelevant for programming language theory in the first place.
Decentral.ized block chain for information can't come fast enough
Meanwhile humanity pokily gets its act together about cutting emissions and deploying slower-acting CO2 countermeasures like accelerated silicate weathering. I hope.

The situation is rather similar to formulating a plan to maintain the sobriety of an addicting who's still shooting up as one speaks. More tools for replacing fossil fuels appear each day even various interests make it clear that the ability to stop using oil is never going to be enough.

I sort of suspect a portion of the media is trying to shout the population into awareness of this stuff. In ways worthy but it seems to be going nowhere given the many active, powerful interests not in the population but decision-making capacities.
Brainwashing. They do it starting with preschool. Kids get to sing songs about how great the country, the party and its leader are. It's all quite militarized. In camps like these it's surely worse, their purpose is to break these people. It's psychological torture, not re-education.
same. one of the best museums i've been to, and you can immediately see both the engineering flaws and human cost.
It denies them in kind, in intent, and in scope and scale.

“Six million Jews have been relocated by the German government for the purpose of poverty reduction.”
Implying and providing justification for current actions based on past conduct is not only illogical, it just spits into the face of human progress.

Hunter gatherers had tribal wars and cannibalism, racism was rampant and women were powerless in the past. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be “scarred of the horrors”.
Agreed (but I'm biased). Companies could get some great tech talent for relatively cheap in Chicago.
Perhaps our (American) freedom of the press helps prevent problems like this from growing?

Our government can't keep it a secret. The Chinese government can.
Maybe better to call it misguided.
They drown you with extremist views so that when you encounter softer but still pro-China views, you'll be more accepting of them because they seem more "reasonable".
Scale and ability to learn from the mistakes of the past matters.
It's plenty correct mathematically; the linked article even explains this.

Generally, your viewpoint comes from an incorrect understanding of mathematics, so let's explore what math actually is:

When we say "10 / 2 = 5", the result "5" doesn't come out of nowhere. It comes out of the definition of division.

There are several ways you could define division. You could interpret "10 / 2 = 5" as meaning any of:

• "If you had a 10-inch stick and you divided it into 2 equal parts, each part would be 5 inches."

• "If you had the equation 2 * X = 10, X = 5 would be a solution to it."

• "If you had 10 Pa of pressure in an enclosed box, and you increased the volume of the box to 2 times its previous volume, its new pressure would be 5 Pa."

• "A wave of wavelength 2cm would have a frequency of 5 per 10cm."

These definitions all lead to the same result – in other words, they're equivalent. When this happens, mathematicians usually don't particularly care which one is the "real" definition.

This applies to many different mathematical axioms. For instance compare the definition of the Parallel Postulate on Wikipedia:

"If a line segment intersects two lines, the two lines will intersect on the side that their angles with the line segment sum up to less than 180°"

– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_postulate

with the definition on Wolfram MathWorld:

"If you have a straight line and a point not on it, there exists only one straight line which passes through that point and never intersects the first line."

– http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ParallelPostulate.html

These are different definitions. But since they lead to the same result, mathematicians don't really care to argue over which is the "real" definition.

Some definitions only apply over a subset of numbers. For instance, originally, "5 - 10" was undefined. Then negative numbers were invented, to expand the definition. The same thing happened with square roots and complex numbers.

That's the same thing with division. 1 / 0 was originally undefined. But you can come up with new number systems that define it, while preserving all the other properties that make division what it is. A common definition is 1 / 0 = Infinity, which is done in the Riemann sphere number system:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_sphere

There's nothing mathematically incorrect about doing any of this.
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I feel the human rights issue in Tibet could be more complicated than you think...For instance, there was an article from the Guardian describes some aspects of the old traditional system in Tibet before the Chinese government took control of the region in 1950s [1],

Some extreme cruelties were practiced in Tibet before 1950, including mutilation as punishment and using human body parts for constructing religious instruments. The latter is documented in an article published in 1923 [2].

--

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/feb/10/tibet-...

[2] https://library.uoregon.edu/ec/e-asia/read/skulls.pdf
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Tampa, FL
Because that is 3 months of the year. The other 9 are perfect weather. Essentially we don't have to shovel snow during our hibernation season
That’s where Urumqi is
Oklahoma City, OK / Tulsa, OK (yes it's a real city, no we don't all ride horses)

Decidedly not a "tech center", but we do have a very solid and thriving local tech community: https://www.techlahoma.org
Good point on the average persuasiveness of software people.

On paper receipts, the idea is that it allows for recounts. Not that paper is invulnerable, but the fact that more people understand how paper works than understand how software works, makes it a better option, I think (speaking as a software person).
It seems like a mid sized Midwestern city could fit the bill.
Grand Rapids, MI or Des Moines, IA both seem like good fits to me.
(Colleges, low unemployment, spacious to support growth, ripe for more tech companies)
I base this off the thought to "help the city". So a large Midwestern city (Chicago/Indianapolis/St Louis/Kansas City) would see little impact from as few as 50 workers. Likewise in a West Coast city with Bay Area expats. And East Coast with abundance of Gov't Contractor tech jobs.
I don't know the South as well so can't speak to any good candidates there.
Also am biased towards the Midwest.
You expect another totalitarian regime to care about people? I don't know about Pakistan, but in SA women just got the right to drive cars. In 2018.
Wouldn't common sense include trying to research a subject before coming up with reasons it may be wrong?
Because land is cheap? Not rhetorical, I honestly have no idea.
They're one of the biggest markets in the world and they own much of the world's manufacturing infrastructure, and we're already in a trade war with them.

If we can stay on top of that, then yes, soft power might work, but China has a lot of leverage of its own in that regard.
There's no question that the current Xinjiang situation is tragic, that the Chinese measures are draconian, and that the sooner these camps close and people can return to living their lives the better. God forbid this were to escalate to mass murder, but Beijing is far smarter than that.

However, at this point, the individual Uyghurs have a choice of assimilating by force (and learning Mandarin, which they en masse don't speak) and giving up part of their identity, or staying in camps indefinitely. Assimilation & submission is the only way this story ends well.

China will have a stable, secure and controlled Xinjiang and they are pretty serious about it. It's not like anybody in the "global community" will seriously consider for a moment sanctions or (God forbid) any military action.

Coverage of what's going on in Xinjiang is good, and so is welcoming Uygur refugees. But any encouragement or foreign support of dissidents/etc inside Xinjiang is deeply unethical because Uygurs must and will submit to Beijing and anything that delays that will hurt people and cost lives.
I think the point of confusion was:

> I traveled around Xianjian in 2010.

instead of Xinjiang.
Why someone would move from SF to PHX area? ummm considering the average rent in SF is $3340[0] and the average rent in PHX is $955[1], I cant possibly imagine why someone would want to do that.

Plus PHX is really only that hot May to September. PHX is like other deserts and generally very pleasant outside of the summer with lots of sun, which isn’t something you can always say about SF.

0: https://www.rentcafe.com/average-rent-market-trends/us/ca/sa...
1: https://www.rentcafe.com/average-rent-market-trends/us/az/ph...
About time it slowed down. My house is over 2x what I paid for it 6 years ago. I pay $10k/yr in taxes just to live in it, WTF.
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I suspect you might be right, and I wonder how many not-clearly-incorrect hacks will happen before the first clearly-incorrect one does.

But, if one were doing that, better to cause Mickey Mouse to win the state, it is a more clear signal. But I'm not the person to send that signal, which is why I was thinking about how else to communicate it.
Surely this is the end for Drumpf, reeee.
Houston is going through big changes, the local economy is diversifying from oil into renewables and other sectors. There are quite a few maker spaces and meetups around here. There are lots of interesting startups, lots have to do with space, DoD, and energy, but there are other flavors too.
Gaslighting is effective. This is a different more extreme version.
> How kind of the government to forcibly separate families and relocate Uighurs to camps where there culture is eradicated, all in the name of poverty alleviation.

And what makes you think they're forcibly separating families? Did you literally just make that up out of thin air?
A few downsides from my perspective

- I plan to rent out the second bedroom, and rents are dropping. And I plan to rent out the whole place within a few years

- I miss out on cheaper rent in nicer buildings (also because rents are dropping) or on buying a cheaper or nicer condo

I'm fortunate enough that I can am more or less comfortable paying for it as long as I have my job but if I can't find a renter at a decent price, I'm going to be hurting a little bit.
Is there any other news that provides more details about who is being selected to be in these camps?

Are these criminals that have broken some law and are in prison?

I know 1 million seems like a huge number, but to put things in perspective, the there are over 2 million African Americans in "camps."

I understand there is a huge difference and I'm not saying they are remotely the same. I've just been more careful in recent years because these same news organizations seem to downplay terrorist attacks in China [1].

1. https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-same-act-in-Kunming-called-...
“Adjustable-rate interest-only mortgage“ ... how is that even legal?
I also heard an interesting fact that per-capita there are more software engineers along the space coast in Florida than in SF.
It's extra zero.
Well, Prop 13 in California particularly incentivizes housing bubble chasing.
Of course you're correct! I edited my comment to note that Barracoon is believed to be the last enslaved person brought to the US from Africa.

Wikipedia counts Sylvester Magee as the last living slave:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_Magee

He died in 1971, as you intuited.