skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.......

That means I could finally get to cancel my multiple subscription and setup gitlab.
I had a pretty similar experience with skype. I lost access to my connected email account and was essentially locked out of my account forever - repeated emails to support were met with silence, alas! Then I connected my facebook account to use skype instead... then they discontinued support for that. Now it's got to a point where attempting to create a new account on the OSX desktop version just shows an error screen every time, so I'm stuck unable to use skype forever. I've moved on to other, better solutions, naturally :)
But what if they increase the price or add more plans...
I'm not sure what exactly you're reacting to, but a lot of us absolutely do not want to self-host our github repos. Because it's work, because we don't need it, because we like using github/gitlab/other as a "marketplace"
LinkedIn is perfect already.
As i know it started under Balmer, but he have to left because the failed phone OS.
790b9db572a6a819f11ad0e0cac7d261 --- will update later.
Isn't that one of the strengths of Git? The whole decentralization means that it is ridiculously simply to take the whole shebang and migrate to another service or even just self host on a cheap VPS.
Personally I view it as self expression. Like someone who has to go out and paint not because he has to.. he longs it
I spent eight years building software on .NET, so I have a lot of time for Microsoft, but I fully understand why a lot of people aren't happy with this news. It's been good to have a leader in open-source that is unaffiliated with anyone but the tech they chose to use (Ruby/Rails). For me, it doesn't matter who takes it over - it's just sad to see a neutral player disappear.

With all that said, things have changed a lot over at GitHub over the past 2-3 years, so I can't say I'm all that surprised that this was the outcome. Restructures, scandals, and some crazy comments over the few years has led me to believe that GitHub probably isn't the same company that the development community embraced. For that reason, I can't see Microsoft doing a "Skype" and merging GitHub into their platforms. Developers are fickle, and if Microsoft mess with GitHub then it's not only a huge blow to the relations they've been trying to build for the past few years, it's a guaranteed way to see developers flock to the next big service (i.e. GitLab).
But what about the social / code sharing / collaboration part, which is arguably the most interesting part? We need a quality central meeting place.
Get ready to merge your Github account with your Office 365 and Skype accounts
Yea, AppleScript was good when it was invented in 1993 with System 7 Pro. One early problem with it was the CFM port of ObjectSupportLib (68K used a static library), which took until the release of version 1.2 in 1997 before most of the major problems was solved.
Microsoft has a history of taking the open source philosophy out of their products. Github is one of the few large, commercially successful platforms that have not only embraced, but built their entire platform around those fundamental values.

It's not a surprise we feel unease, and to hope that Microsoft is actually going in a direction that aligns with those values, instead of simply twisting them for it's own continued success - that's being a bit naive.

We'll all see what happens, but honestly, I wish their was one web platform that existed out there, that could stay stable in it's philosophy, and not succumb to embracing the chaos invoked through economic success.

There are plenty of examples that stick to the core philosophy of open source software and open ideas, but there are rarely examples that manage to become extremely successful and maintain that success without drowning in the confusion created through their own influence.
Cities are remarkably old-school. It's the suburbs that are the scourge on childhood development. Which is ironic because the whole reason people moved to the suburbs was that they were "safer for children".
I'm a parent of two, and step-parent to two, between the ages 5 -11. I think a lot about this, and one of the biggest issues I see (besides the many valid points I feel the article raised) is that with the rise of Internet video, we are showing kids to kids more often, if that makes sense.

I grew up in the 80's, and cartoons were most of the media I consumed. You usually saw anthropomorphical characters depicting behaviors. When you did see live action, it was usually centered more around adults teaching or mentoring the kids (or Muppets), and when kids did appear, they were polite unless being used to illustrate bad behavior.

Today, with so much self-published content, kids are seeing other kids, often acting in outrageous ways to get views, likes, followers, and fans. When media became decentralized, I think we lost a powerful cultural platform for shared experience and norms, and it is starting to show.
The way GitHub is developed (remote) and culture, this is pretty much death of GitHub and if most developers leave it will become a mess quite quickly.

GitLab just got big boost.
No smoking in restaurants? Go in Osaka and you will find it very hard, apart from lunch time, to find any restaurant where smoking is banned during meals. And people are just smoking everywhere just like they used to be. It hasnt changed one bit in experience even after 2009, so I would put it as well as a PR move. If you are a non smoker it s almost impossible to go dinner outside at night. Tokyo may have more places because of its sheer size but Tokyo is not Japan.
I live in Carthage and though it's not an agricultural hub by any means, things do grow here.
Well, for starters, that all of philosophy can be boiled down to those two guys as if the rest of the world or the rest of history doesn't matter. That screams "myopic Eurocentrism" to me at least, which is one form of cargo culting
With guns on all the racks in the trucks in the lot. It's a tired trope, but it's true.

This should be fun.
With VoiceCommit(tm)
I was a full-time mom for a lot of years. I say such things to my adult sons. Trying to say it on HN tends to go bad places. It isn't politically correct to observe that the lack of time to parent could negatively impact parenting. No matter how neutrally I say it or how carefully I word it, I am inevitably accused of sexism, as if my position is "Women should all be barefoot and pregnant."

Oy.
Just when it looked like GitHub was "sustainable" through revenue ... greed for a "payout" (VCs wanting to exit the "bubble") and they sell out to the worst software Monopoly notorious for stifling software creativity through anti-competitive practices! :-(
Can't GitHub just sell stock/shares to the GitHub community to secure their own independent future? I would buy a few (thousand) shares ...
Who else would buy stock/shares if they remained independent?
Thanks! That actually confirms my brief tests where I experienced Chrome to run most smoothly on my Moto G2.
As a counter point - I work in a studio owned by one of the largest publishers in the world(I'm a C++ programmer), working exclusively on the biggest AAA titles known to everyone, and it's the opposite of what you described. The work-life balance is great, most of the days I come in at 8 and leave at 4, "crunch" as such only exists maybe for a week before larger releases, but for me that means a week of 9-hour days, it isn't too bad. I'm actually getting above the EU-mandated paid time off(28 paid days off a year) + obviously unlimited paid sick leave, year of maternity/patterning leave if I need it, gym membership, discounted bike scheme/free metro tickets...

Sure, the money is slightly better in other companies but it's not too bad here - I've only been in the industry 4 years but I'm about to put a deposit down for a house later this year and buy something with my partner.

And au contraire to the article - we have 1 person with 25 years at this company, a few with 20 years, several with 15 years and loads with 10 years at the same company. People generally stay longer here. So yes, I guess like you said - not every studio is like this.
Secret to longevity may lie in the microbiome and the gut
I'm kind of happy with this happening as it seems to me that this can cause the VCS hosting arena to diversify a little bit. The "monopoly" of github always worried me as a huge freaky single point of failure.
Sea weed already grows in Sea water, it's a logistics/marketing problem.
The world out there pays HALF.

Sometimes, yeah. Not always.

"ok If I have to deal with this shit boss, shit business, shit industry at least I am going to get paid as well as possible."

Conversely, some people realize "Money isn't everything and I can find a job that is fulfilling and meets my needs without working for $SPECIFIC_COMPANY".

Never mind that, in the case of Google or Facebook in particular, that higher pay generally comes with a MUCH higher cost of living if you work in their "main" geographic area. You have to factor that in when figuring out what your real "disposable income" is going to be.

Anyway, again, I'm not saying "don't work for Google, Facebook, etc." I'd just caution anybody not to get too caught up in the hype of thinking that some (VERY) small handful of all the companies in the entire world, are automatically "the" place to work. I'm implore everyone to "Do your own evaluation and weigh everything on its merits and then decide."
1. Electricity cost
2. Need for constant electricity
3. Internet cost
4. Need for constant Internet access
5. Cost of hardware
6. Heat generated by the running hardware
7. Noise generated by the running hardware
8. Space occupied by the hardware
9. Need to update and maintain hardware/software
10. Worse discoverability for your repos
11. ISP asking questions
12. Government asking questions
13. Police asking questions

Then again, I live in a "developing" country so most of these might not be an issue for you.
Oh, fork
Its very hard to open issues or PRs etc on many self-hosted setups, as they don't have a way to create logins, or accept other identities.
I stopped trusting them when they stole the intellectual property of numerous small companies years before the _NSAKEY debacle. I know, I know, Bill Gates is supposed to be some kind of good guy now (malaria, etc.) but I can't think of any good reason to trust any robber baron, based on the past histories of robber barons. Even Andrew Carnegie was an asshole in the final analysis.
So you put trustworthy, secret projects on GitHub instead of hosting them in-house?
Microsoft has slain giants before. They will try to do it again. No one is too big to fail.
D has checkable memory safety. In C++, memory safe code relies on following best practices.
Smart and inevitable, to secure dominance in the talent vertical. I remember walking into an org where none of the engineers or UX folks had Linkedin accounts. They didn't need it to land in a healthy workplace w/ a decent salary. They were active on GitHub instead, had Angellist profiles. One of them mentioned LI's InMail tool drove him away. Another said he can network just fine with Meetup and twitter.

Edited those typos.
No, because as the VSCode license puts it "The software may collect information about you and your use of the software, and send that to Microsoft."
> I hope they don't discontinue Atom

Hadn't crossed my mind that they might drop Atom for VS Code before...
Everyone says on here that VSCode is way faster than Atom but I've found the opposite every time I've tried, Atom opens faster and feels slicker when editing, especially multiline. I'm also not a fan of the VS UI and its icon.
That is pretty conservative, which, of course, makes sense (especially when you're not used to the car; we have a destination charger available at a resort we often go to and it'll be a LONG time before I'm comfortable going somewhere and trusting that the ONE charger will work).

Of course, the model X is also sort of a worst case scenario because it's the least efficient car they sell.

IIRC my parents stopped 3x from Peninsula to San Diego (well, okay, north county) in their S 75d. But they didn't start with a full charge either, and on top of that, typical users only charge to 80-90% on a regular basis, and only cram it full for roadtrips. They could definitely make it in 2.

With a LR Model 3 you could definitely do the drive in 1 stop but it depends on the exact location; IIRC Atascadero is a little too close to SF and Buellton is a little too close to SD. On the other hand, with the proliferation of superchargers, the increasing number of options makes it a bit easier to YOLO it and then stop short even if it means a stop for a quick charge only 20-50mi from your destination.
Only way to disrupt monopoly is to use something else. I am going to migrate all my projects from GitHub. Be an example you want the world to be.
It's a convenience thing for me. As a hobbyist solo dev it'd be nice to have a place to work on code across different devices in private and then open it up when I feel the code is mature enough and the time is right to put it out there under an open source license.

Right now I use VSTS for private repos, but it'd be nice to be on GitHub were the vast majority of open source projects are hosted.
To be clear, I don't have an opinion on the issue myself. I was just trying to clarify the meaning of the grandparent comment.
Microsoft [...] is now one if the biggest contributors to GitHub

Citation needed ?
Do they make any iCE40 boards like the PicoEVB? I wouldn't mind something that didn't sit inside an M.2 slot inside a laptop for my tinkering, but I do think it is an intriguing form factor. I know zero about any of these toolchains.
To be fair, even if the app was reasonably clever, there's not a lot of places anywhere interested in hiring brand new Android engineers.
> I wish their was one web platform that existed out there, that could stay stable in it's philosophy, and not succumb to embracing the chaos invoked through economic success.

An example that comes to mind is Wikipedia. Maybe the lesson here is that if you fear this happening, don't come to rely on services that are not setup as non-profits.
Interesting that you say this. If the price was 3x what it was (for both individuals and organizations), I feel both parties would still find it valuable enough.
I think you are underestimating what is a web app. Think about any website that requires a password - that is a web app because presumably it will do some personalization. Any content serving site is at least backed by a content management system which is a web app.
Except HSBC.
...And in the comments, a thousand developers suddenly realize GitHub is a plain old business rather than some kind of core infrastructure service altruistically provided by Free Software Elves and their Infinite Bandwidth Rainbow.
Only if your position is that desalination of their abundant saltwater is hopeless.

Why you would take that position escapes me.
Except for the social part as far as I know, I hope that Bitbucket could see this as a big opportunity and expand that aspect of their platform.
Amount of psychiatric drugs stuffed down their mouths as a hotfix.
Youtube would probably be dead if not for Google.
I can only speak for myself, but I like hosting private repos on GitHub because I like using issues & milestones to track my progress
That's not paranoia. That is completely reasonable considering Microsoft's history.
I don't mind this, as long as the side of Microsoft which has been on GitHub so far as the side of Microsoft who ends up dealing with GitHub in the future.

But this will definitely end the concept of GitHub as a single-source place to find code. Microsoft's competitors will likely move their code, at the least, and of course, the crowd who will never trust Microsoft will leave as well, regardless of how well they manage it.

All-in-all, I don't think that's a bad thing for anyone: Software shouldn't all come from one site, and the industry was becoming far too centralized around GitHub.
Reading through replies to this and especially about "the death of free software" makes me ask, "Was software ever free?"

From my perspective, any software that has made it to production use ended up supported by some large for-profit corporation.

Java<-Oracle
Linux<-multiple distro's with paid-for enterprise support

And IBM and other companies hiring developers to work on "free software".

Without the support of corporations, most software just dies.

So Github is losing money and can't figure out a model to become profitable. They could start charging for all repositories. They could go public, but then they're beholden to some small set of investment groups.

Microsoft, under Nadella, has been about as pro-open source as you can get.

The only change I expect from Microsoft re: Github is that they will very likely bake DevOps into their tools (Code/Visual Studio) and their cloud (Azure) so that developers can be more productive.

The illusion of free software has always been just that. An illusion.
but it doesn't unlike. You have to re-like/un-like it now, too, beyond 3200.
People wrote huge programs with Spectrum assembler so go figure.
Plus they have very large private enterprise instances of github.
Oh, you said the book - apologies.
If this goes through Microsoft basically gets access to all the private proprietary code of so many companies. I would have never expected Github founders to even entertain the notion. I guess times change.
This is seriously depressing. GitHub had such massive network effects that you'd think if anyone could stay independent it would be them.
uMatrix's greatest gift, at least to me, is that in a small way it lets us turn the tables on monitoring. Government and city utility sites sending citizen's activity to FB and Google -- who'd have thought that could happen? uMatrix can flag each such occurrence for you.
I'm hoping they go with the current VSTS pricing...

https://www.visualstudio.com/team-services/pricing/

It's very simple, reasonable, and sane compared to GitHub's.
I could see developers ditching GitHub with the acquisition for a perceived conflict of interest. It's really easy to change your remote.

I see a potentially big market opportunity for anyone who wants to compete in the space now.
I can imagine the people at GitLab being very excited about this! Perhaps sytse would like to comment?
Especially when you have free bitbucket for that purpose.
Add to that Microsoft's position about copyrightability of APIs. That alone should be a red flag for many FOSS projects to avoid Github if MS buys it.
Meh. Even in my turbocharged car, I get virtually the same mileage in the mountains going from sea level to over 8000 feet and back down vs what I get on a wide open freeway, and that's WITHOUT regen.

Obviously if you only go up but not down that's a different story, but mountainous driving is not nearly so hard on range if it's a net of 0.
This will certainly be one of the first features to be deprecated once the deal goes through. Quietly deprecated, of course.
All of this is transient. Eventually someone will figure out a new paradigm (Darcs/Pijul-style patch theory?) and we'll all move on, like we did from RCS, and CVS, and Subversion. Or something will fall apart on the business side of GitHub, and we'll all go elsewhere. Like we did with SourceForge, CodePlex, and Google Code.

So, what are your goals? Switching to Git might give you access to more tooling, but if you're not presently feeling hindered by Mercurial, it's probably most wise to focus on making software, rather than chasing tools.

Similarly, if you're seeking feedback and patches from strangers online, then going to GitHub is your best bet, which implies forfeiting Mercurial (though maybe something like hg-git [https://hg-git.github.io/] could give you the best of both worlds?)
> Considering that most of their competitors give small teams free private repos, their price should be half of that.

Why would you lower your price if people are still paying for it and you are the market leader? Also at $7 per month it is among the cheapest tools for a professional developer.
I think you did not get my point. My point was not how difficult meeting the regulatory requirement would be. My point was the incredible danger of censorship.
What incident?
Monadic Parsing in Haskell [pdf]
How does Rust have a clear hand over Ada?
The Sound of Markets
It is really the intro and first chapter of Marr's book that is still totally current. The rest of the book is brilliant but less representative of current thinking.
SourceGraph tries to fix it, and the experience of searching, jump-to-definition and generally getting to grips with a codebase is way better there IMO. They also have browser plugins with integration to GitHub. I recommend you to check it out.
Depends if you are using the dictionary definition of startup (both) or the Paul Graham definition (Amazon).
I use neither, and I can see that the two take fairly different approaches, but why would you say they're build for different purposes. I don't think it's clear why a single org (though very far apart) has two approaches for a code text editor.
Don't forget about:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...
This is a weird comment.

"Self-hosting" doesn't have to mean having a giant server farm at home. You could put it on an AWS/GCP/Azure free-tier VPS instance.
I am wary of joining this conversation in general. But I have kids, and I have lived both in big cities where stuff was stolen from our porch on a regular basis (we needed a neighborhood watch) and in small towns where we never had to lock our doors.

I've lived in incredibly liberal and conservative areas as well. Some places were very religious with a church for every few hundred in the populace, and where you couldn't even find a church.

Across the board, the liberal, non-religious, high-populace areas had the worst behaved children in public. But religious groups control public perceptions better (my opinion) so privately they could be just as bad or worse off, but that doesn't seem to be the point of this article.

But what I found as a parent, was that children mimic their parents. Period.

Even if you have vacant parents, the kids will still have enough time around them to copy their beliefs and act on them.

I taught in college for 12 years, and the kids that came into my class room changed dramatically from early 2000s till I was done. Something changed in society the past 20 years in a way I can't understand.

One thing is for certain though, you can take a nice decent kid, and give them everything they want, and they can turn into brats when you try and take anything back.

I learned this the hard way with cellphones. My first kid turned super nasty as soon as she got a phone. Partly because all her friends ignored her, she was the only one without a phone in the group settings, so she sat by herself with no one to play with. So we got her an ipod touch, and we instantly had behavior problems.

In retrospect, she was copying my problems as a person, so it's not her fault. But any discussion where the blame isn't placed squarely on the parents first and foremost, is in my opinion, either deceitful with a motive or simply ignorant and possibly a parent in denial.

A parent can raise decent children in almost any environment as long as they are willing to stand up against the negative influences around them.
What a betrayal. I'm starting to get really sick of this whole economic paradigm in general. A few lucky smart people who were in the right place at the right time become fabulously wealthy beyond the dreams of the greatest kings who ever lived in history, off the work and contributions of millions of users creating all of the content for free, with absolutely no say in anything. Is this really the best way to do things?
Why would they when they have VSTS already?
unless people are purists it should not be a problem with yalp or similar. i doubt this app requires google services. the premium may be an issue.