skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> You have to factor that in when figuring out what your real "disposable income" is going to be

People do.

They still pay better.

Quit assuming everyone but you is a complete moron who can't do basic math. Yes, that is exactly what you are doing every time you bring this up.
Advanced computing with IPython
> if they had issues with this happening they should of never used GitHub to begin with.

I think it's reasonable to say that people understood that there were tradeoffs in hosting code on a site like github.
Since it had become a popular site, the gains from the network effect outweighed the more theoretical risks, at least for the short term...
> machine wise, the C64 was more powerful by virtue of flexibility.

What do you mean? Are you referring to the demo scene being able to push the internal hardware as far as they've been able to?

> The Mac128 was priced way outside a home users budget, had an almost unusable Tiny amount of memory

Probably better to consider a comparison with the Apple model I was alluding to in my earlier post. The Apple //c was much cheaper than a Mac, had 80 column text, 128K RAM, and could run Appleworks. It didn't do games nearly as well as a C64, but you'd have been hard pressed to find as good a machine from Commodore for small office tasks. (Maybe the C128... it was cheaper and had a numeric keypad, but I don't think the software was as strong there as it was for Apple.)

> Apple failed and almost went bankrupt too.

That 'almost' is rather important, don't you think?
4) Will they break the trust model of enterprise and private repositories, similar to how they broke the security model of connections in Skype after they purchased it?

5) Will they merge multiple accounts into one account, even though the user wants them separate, similar to how that was done with Skype and other services?
> but ultimately not many people cared (despite the free tier) and the few paying users weren’t enough to make it

My guess?

Twitter only exist because of network effects.

Everything else somebody else does better.

Oh, and most orinary people are more interested in one-to-one group chat than in many-to-many.

WhatsApp managed to break through even though they were announcing loud and clear that they were going to cost money. Why? I guess because they promised to provide something valuable: a versatile, reliable, trustworthy messaging solution for friends, families and small groups.

Telegram has managed to break through as well. AFAIK Signal is climbing steadily and Matrix is getting more and more mindshare.

Based my experience a lot people here will probably disagree with what I say about twitter. If you are one of those, feel free to tell me what technical detail twitter does better than everyone else.
>You have pretty much misunderstood the entire point of open source software.

What? That's a stretch of a comment from saying both the Ubuntu and Windows behaviour of updates is the same out of the box.
> After all of this came out, FB use didn't really go down.

It's both too early and hard to say that for sure. I would suspect it's had an impact on FB's long term trend line, especially with younger people.

Anecdotally, much of my social network has significantly decreased their Facebook use if status updates are anything to go by. They may be on the site as much as before, but they're not really engaging with it as actively as they used to.

Granted, that could just be a normal fall-off since the 2016 Presidential Election season was a "special" time. But I've noticed even with my cousins abroad they've mostly transitioned fully to WhatsApp. Sure, that is also a Facebook joint, but it sends a real signal to Facebook as to what the market values in a social media platform, and it seems it's not the Facebook model.
If they were going to do a subset of ZIP files, then they should have prohibited some of the weirder quirks of the format such as files being deleted 'in place' and multiple central directories (the valid one is the last one)
Ghost is NOT a for-profit company, you can't compare them to companies whose mission is profit. Unless you're implying the pursuit of profit to be unacceptable, this is an apples to oranges comparison
Housing is a positional good. The price is not about labor and materials, but about winning against the others who want the same house. Accordingly, housing prices respond to changes in the money/wealth available to pay them, finding whatever price level is necessary to match the number of households that can afford a unit to the number of available units. Increasing wealth across the board does not make more homes unless you also permit their construction.
>2) They’ve expressed their commitment to keep GitHub an independent platform (like they did with LinkedIn.)

>3) Nat Friedman, although I was not familiar with him prior to this, seems like an ideal candidate to run GitHub.

Nat seems like a decent candidate for GitHub CEO, but i'm having trouble reconciling Microsoft's commitment to keeping GitHub an independent platform with their installing a new CEO. that's not really how "independent" works.
> If anything the only ones misbehaving are the skeptics

Well, it's not like the skeptics' skepticism is not unfounded. Microsoft has a long, bloody history when it comes to open source software and this "don't worry about the past, trust us, we'll be different this time" position by Microsoft isn't enough to convince us.

I could be convinced, but it will take a LOT of time and good behavior by microsoft. Action speak louder than words. There has been nothing but words up to this point.
I have been strongly anti-Monsanto for a while. Thank you for the Quora link (https://www.quora.com/Is-Monsanto-evil). After reading it and its sources, I'm finding it hard to maintain the same criticisms I have long held, in the face of this data. I think I blindly jumped on the bandwagon without realizing it. That's not to say that Monsanto is necessarily guilt-free. I'm also curious if the Monsanto chemical company and seed company at any point in any sense were connected, or not. That bit is still a bit confusing to me, because certainly there are issues with the chemical Monsanto from the 60s.

It's also unclear exactly how farmers feel about Monsanto and the whole seed reuse / patent issue. I've heard arguments that they want new seed all the time anyway, and then I've heard arguments that it hurts them financially to not be able to collect seed for replanting. Neither of these arguments appear to be coming from farmers, which complicates the matter.

That said, I do still feel like I have a philosophical issue with the idea of IP, in particular the patenting of seeds, but that's not a Monsanto-specific issue even though they are involved it it (it's a widespread practice) and I think that issue gets conflated because of the "stolen seed" / "cant recover/save seeds from the new plant" problem that patents introduce - this kind if IP control often tends to bring emotionally-driven rebuke, though I can understand why.
Microsoft developers have already contributed directly to Electron.

That said, if there is a direction to hope for, it might be pushing more of Electron's "value add" into the web platform itself (ie, open more standards for PWAs to adopt). Though arguably many of the things that developers particularly want from Electron like macOS menu integration are pretty strongly platform-specific and tough to standardize in way that might make sense to the web platform as a whole.
Today? Rest assured, they have been very, oh very slow, for a long time. Their Twitter status feed and post mortem dialogue ad infinitum is proof enougb. GitHub has nothing to worry about just yet.
> Maybe GitHub will be able to be a VSCode.

The question is, what will happen to Atom?

What will happen to the X-Ray research project?
"Linux, Git, node and Kubernetes" putting Kubernetes at the same level as Linux and Git... Not a pre-crafted commercial message from M$ at all guyze lul
> I’m not asking for your trust, but I’m committed to earning it.

Corporate bullshit.
> The other big lifestyle change was trying to change how I engage in internet comments.

When I find the urge to reply to some idiotic notion on the internet, I always think back to that XKCD comic (https://www.xkcd.com/386/) and tell my self I don't want to be that guy.
GitLab open sources most of their core source. They never said they were 100% - and even this concept is crazy.

At some point you have to realize that they need to have scalable business model, and this is what they have chosen to do. Good for them, it is working.
What would be wrong having a Microsoft account to log in exactly? They aren't getting any more information from you then they have currently purchased. I remember when I had a YouTube account, a blogger account and a Google account and I am glad I just use one google account myself.
Inside Zilliqa – The most recent crypto unicorn
Apple Unveils ARKit 2.0, Putting Multiuser AR at Its Core
What I really love about this is that M$ realize the product's users are tightly wound to the brand's identity, and are hostile to M$'s. They know they're buying a "lifestyle brand" and that they have to keep it hip and unencumbered by a corporate behemoth or it'll become worthless.

When the new CEO has to make a public personal appeal to the users to keep them from jumping ship, that says something (though I'm not sure what that is).
And you can get a fake Louis Vuitton purse too but that’s kind of missing the point.
> the fact that they produce sterile seeds

An interesting fact, to be sure, since Terminator^TM technology hasn't been used in fields .. ever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_use_restriction_techno...

Also interesting, Terminator was developed (primarily by the USDA) to address environmental concerns about potentially contaminating wild populations with transgenes. But of course, it's Monsanto (not actually, though) so it's evil!

You may be confused about hybrid seed, which is germplasm developed from particular parental lines to produce a unusually vigorous progeny. This 'hybrid vigor' only lasts one generation, though. Hybrid seed has been the rule since about the 1950s, well before transgenes, but don't let that pollute the narrative about GMO killing seed saving!

It's also interesting to mention overspray with regard to RoundUp; one of the major selling points for Glyphosate is that you don't need to apply much, and it doesn't persist long in the soil, both highly beneficial traits for eliminating overspray issues. That's not to say there aren't any concerns with Glyphosate, but as far as herbicides go, it's pretty tame. As a bonus, Glyphosate has enabled a huge rise in no-till agriculture, which is terrific for preserving fragile soils, reducing fossil fuel use, etc.
no argument that wireless is great. but why exclusively wireless? we just want the jack as a backup / for those situations when we're using perfectly good older devices

its like taking away your charger because you have a battery
Why would you stop building social netowrks if facebook keeps buying them. Its printing money.
@: It looks like you're starting a git repository.
Thank you for saying the Skype ID thing here. I thought I had gone crazy....
Yes same here. I’m really surprised by all the Microsoft hate as if we were still in the 80-90’s. MS is one of the biggest open source contributors nowadays.

It's also really weird how people idealize GitHub. Did they forget GitHub was not a non-profit association, they were losing money, they deleted users repositories on their own, they had management issues, and people have been waiting some features for very long, specially open source maintainers? Also GitHub "forced" a lot of organizations to migrate somewhere else when they changed their pricing model[1].

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11673103
Much better than the lack of open source vetting that led to Xcodeghost and "goto fail."
> thought of open source as a form of cancer, vocally talked against it

Not that I deny it, because can you point me to some examples of this?
Github was actively looking for a new CEO. It's not like MS executed a coup here.
Monopoly on what?
> but I actually really do appreciate being notified about e.g. someone's birthday - it's a gentle reminder to catch up with that person.

Just put their birthday in a calendar app. You'll be reminded every year, and you won't have to rely on Facebook. Best part is, their birthday doesn't change, so you only have to do it once!
Ha! It went straight over my head.
> I’m not asking for your trust, but I’m committed to earning it.

Love this line. I had followed Xamarin when it was independent and I get a strong feeling that Nat wrote this himself and it's not just a PR speak. I am cautiously optimistic about GitHub going forward.
People should get to know who Microsoft Cloud + AI Group Executive Vice President [Scott Guthrie] is. GitHub will be under his watch and all these years he has done nothing but wonders for the developers and the brand.
They didn't install their CEO.
amen to that.

i appreciate type checking so much more now than i used to, and i find that i disliked it most when i needed it most (i.e., i blanched at it more when i was a worse programmer, even more likely to make type errors than i am now).

there are categories of checks in application code (as well as whole categories of simple unit tests) that i just wouldn't have to write with a static type checker. additionally, as other comments have pointed out, it'd make it easier to automatically refactor things.

i started coming around on it with groovy a number of years ago (after sorta hating the type checker in java/c/c++ for years before that). i'd find myself writing a bunch of untyped code, but then i'd also find myself going back and specifying types as i wrote tests, because it was often easier to just specify the type than to write a test for the possibility of the wrong type coming in.

as someone who mostly writes ruby code these days, i'd love to see an optional type checker get added.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/02/ballmer_linux_is_a_...
> If banks are accumulating wealth, which may very well be our reality

It is.

> this wealth would be reflected in the equity value of the bank itself

It is.

> this wealth would still be reflected in the wealth of private households who had ownership in the bank.

It is.

What do you mean with all these "if" statements that are quantitatively true? Even stock markets are aggregators of wealth (focusing gains on a small population).
Because it's the more popular one
Do try out https://scribie.com/transcription/free as well once. Our diarisation system is around 90% accurate on longer paragraphs and will be out this week.
Amazed you can still buy type scales this century.

https://www.technicaldrawingequipment.co.uk/Printers-Pica-Ty...

Used to be a lot of math involved to figure out how deep copy would run before sending on a motorbike to be typeset. When it returned on another motorbike there would be anxious moments unrolling the typesetting before paste up in case you'd made an expensive mistake. Hard to imagine now how much DTP changed everything
Telling people "just enough" was more of a security thing than a psychology thing.

X vs the Manhattan project isn't really a good test for the ethic of working on X.

You don't need to work hard to motivate people to start creating the atomic bomb when the Nazis are doing the same thing and a good chunk of your team fled the Nazis.

You don't need to work hard to motivate people to keep working on an atomic bomb when the alternative is a few million people being killed in the invasion of a bunch of islands that the inhabitants have pledged to defend to the death and thus far made good on their promise.

The Manhattan project is much less morally ambiguous than recent tech scandals (the words "recent" and "scandal" relative to the general population, people who follow tech have seen this stuff coming a mile away) because the cost of inaction in 1945 was so much higher than today. It's not like anyone was working hard to make Facebook IPO happen because they thought it would slightly reduce the chances of their relatives dying half way around the world.
We were still running tenfourfox a few years ago, but modern (i.e. complex) web pages became just too hungry for this CPU. Facebook was getting fairly painful to use on there.
Their current CEO wanted out of that role, so they have been looking for a new CEO.
The issue is that I've been hearing that phrase at every interview from every candidate, on a lot of blogposts and presentations. It's a cheap and uncreative way to get under someone's skin.
Same on FF Windows.

https://screenshots.firefox.com/Ia3sklj6tRlO6kgP/bithublab.o...
The UK has the equivalent of the US projects called Blocks (after the shape of the buildings). Featured in UK tv like The Misfits, Escape the Block, etc.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/02/ballmer_linux_is_a_...

Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO said: "Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches"

That is a direct attack to open source licensing and open source software.

Microsoft had to take that back after they were beaten in the market and lost popularity among developers.

Now it's plan B: govern open source projects and infrastructure and put them to the service of Microsoft interests. One way of doing that could be simply mismanaging them and setting them for failure.
"Hey everyone, I am Nat. I joined the dark side, now I am being rewarded for it as a future CEO, woohoo! I hope you are as happy as I am! See ya later!"

Many of us were given a choice to join MS but didn't.
> https://natfriedman.github.io/hello/

Wait, is that a one-off custom landing page? Something that normal users can't do?

I don't see a "hello" repo in his list of repositories: https://natfriedman.github.io/hello/

Can private repos have publicly accessible pages?
Upon reflection, I think my attitude was wrong. I really oughtn't to have been surprised. There were many developers in the crowd who may not have had a computer science education (developers today, especially web developers, often come from a multitude of disciplines). Sure, there were a ton of CS people, but were also a ton of non-CS people (Math, EE, psych, design, etc.). If the latter group managed to learn something new and interesting from the talk, I ought to be happy for them.

I think my reaction was a knee-jerk reaction against how easily people become impressed by things these days. It's ok to be encouraging towards others but in an atmosphere of overly-positive attitudes (especially in SV), there is a certain lack of discernment with respect to ideas and technologies which leads to bandwagonning and susceptibility to marketing (case in point, the early adopters of MongoDB). I'm convinced this has a cost to the tech community.

But that is no excuse for me to have a holier-than-thou attitude. It's condescending and discouraging toward people who are just trying to learn [1]. I retract my words.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14225033
Maybe they can bundle free private GitHub repos with their Office360 offering.
The current CEO doesn't want to be a CEO. GitHub has been looking for a new CEO for the past few months.
In all these years, GitHub didn't make a single penny as profit

Like most "successful" startup companies over the past decade, only way (for investors) to make money was to make the company a "product" that would be sold to the highest bidder

Why is anyone surprised that GitHub would be sold ?
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Honestly, can you think of a smarter move on the part of Microsoft than making Nat Friedman (a veteran of the Open Source community) CEO of Github? I completely trust this guy to do as good a job as can be done of guiding Github forward as a product and a platform, now that the venture capitalists are no longer in the picture.
> There has been nothing but words up to this point.

I get your point, but come on, there have been a lot of 'actions' over the last couple of years. This only detracts from your argument. We've had .NET Core, visual studio code, the improvements on Git, WSL and more.
I lived through the 90s and I’m glad they beat Apple, Netscape and others to a pulp during that time. I don’t really care how they did it because I like their shit better and I like their business model better too.

What false promises did you personally get from them?
I wish a lot of companies hadn't decided to embrace Facebook as an identity provider. Sometimes that's the only way for me to log in to something. Can't even use normal username and password credentials. That's probably the only think keeping the app on my phone.
Author doesnt understand concepts of opensource, dual-licensing, copy-left and copy-right. Nothing to see here.
No CEO of a company of that size is not fierce and brutal.

I agree with your assessment. For me MS motives are pretty transparent and in my opinion will have a positive net result for GitHub.
Yes, Shared Source, not open source. Microsoft (un)surprisingly understood the differences, back in the day, and avoided the latter term.
Even with all new execs and a new CEO, Microsoft's expensive operating system still features ads in the start menu. They still troll OSS projects with their patents. Their software still includes telemetry which can't (easily) be disabled.
Obviously, Mike Pense would pardon him. Really interesting question is if he we're impeached can he run again?
> I wanted to give an example of a potential threat.

I really don't like this line of thinking. It's the same one used by news organizations to plump up their stories, or by politicians to make an improbable threat seem more real. In both of those cases, I think the long-term effect is to cause the public to think that very rare events are a lot more common. The result is not a culture of wariness but a culture of fear.

I'd much rather people present "worst-case potential threats" instead as "likely potential threats."
> M$

Really?
This is true of any cancer treatment. You're never cured of cancer. You just go into remission. The 5 year mark has historically been the point when complete remission is deemed a cure, but that doesn't mean recurrence is impossible.
It isn't about can or cannot, they just have more motivation now.
Because it’s an indicator of a loss of independence. And if you went through the Skype changeover you’ll know exactly what a fiasco that change to a Microsoft account was.
Are you a lawyer? Didn't think so. "A lot of people" just read it for what it is which is legally protecting themselves while they are actively processing your code to syntax highlight it, display diffs, calculate stats etc. And these a lot of people said as much in the thread.
Maybe it isn’t in the area you work in, but for many companies I’ve worked with, it’s a critical component.

I’d say it would probably be easier to replace git with hg or something than to pull out and redo the k8s infrastructure.
I'm using another service for my private repos, as github's pricing structure for a single dev is seriously uncompetitive.

I wanted to move my public / open source repos for a long time. Now I finally I have the opportunity to do so without getting into discussions at an interview on why am I not using github.

For people such as myself, I don't know what Microsoft / Github can do or say to convince otherwise.
I just happened to buy a Dual 1.8Ghz model for $10 CAD at a garage sale yesterday. Beautiful machine. Also had a keyboard, but unfortunately isn't a mechanical one (rubber domes over membrane.)