skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
IMO, I think Microsoft will take a hands off approach, they don't want some of people's fears to be realized, and they really would want a friendly attitude towards their acquisition.
I hope our public monitoring will stay up. If not the same graph can be viewed in https://twitter.com/gitlab/status/1003409836170547200
Like the way the use Big Ben (Elizabeth Tower) as an example of those dangerous subversive places where beat combos run wild.
Also the “we’re better than everyone else because X” mentality, including the vacuous “changing the world” rallying cry.

I don’t recall feeling that sense of superiority in past decades nearly as much as today.
Over 3/4 of Azure VMs are Linux. You don’t call that an embrace? The ironic truth right now is that Microsoft is a better supporter of Linux than Amazon, Google, or Facebook.
IMO, Microsoft will most likely take a hands-off approach. They would not want some people's frights to be realized, and they would appreciate developers being okay with their acquisition.
On the other hand, a Google product (YouTube) is asking for permission to access information already available to another Google product (Android). If Google had no respect for your privacy, they wouldn't even ask.

Respect for privacy is a continuum and Google isn't on either extreme. I'd even go so far as to say that different parts of Google have different stances on privacy. People who try to make them into a monolith with a single binary stance on the issue are lacking nuance.
Search seems to be surprisingly bad at a lot of companies. I don't know about github but reddits search is so bad it cannot even find something when you type it character for character.

I'm super curious to what all these companies are using for search because they are so atrocious that tend to not even work in a basic substring search solution.
Microsoft, GitHub, and the Power of Corporate Support of Open Source
The whole point is that some people do want the control that comes with self-hosting, and GitHub does not provide a way to do that.
> You don't seem to understand that the locals are the people complaining, not the drunkards. The locals are people that are living there since forever and many of them can't choose to move.

Can you provide evidence for your assertions? I see none of what you claim in the article. Are all locals complaining? Or a few of them? Have the locals really lived there forever? Where’s the proof?

Ever lasting life aside, I suspect you’re exaggerating and the vast majority will have moved there within the past 20 years.

And how do you know the drinkers aren’t locals? Have you met them? I note from your profile you’re not from the area, so how can you be so sure there aren’t any locals there?

How local do you need to be to be allowed to stay up late and talk in any particular area? Should they live on the same square? Or, within a few streets? Should there be special police officers checking how local you are?

But anyway, my comments were mostly about the general problem of conflict between day and night walkers, not just this specific incident.
Where you're seeing Oracle tech I see free software licensed under the LGPL. There's no way that if TruffleRuby becomes well and truly popular and Oracle decides to... be Oracle, no other company would pick up the banner. Ruby is just too popular for that not to happen.
I talked to a VP from MSFT last year. He asked how MSFT could do a better job appealing to the open source community and start up community. I said just keep doing what you are doing. It is going to take time for those of us that were around during the Balmer days to be willing to believe that MSTF has turned a corner. I think that they are on the right path, but I certainly don't judge anyone who is skeptical about the future of github. I've been on gitlab since 2011 so it don't make much difference to me.
It's a really bad look for the CEO of the company.

At it's core what is a hashtag even? It's means to amplify a "thing". It's a means to make it a thing.

That's why it's tasteless. It's a shameless means to use the opportunity to ride the wave of the event instead of being classy, taking a back seat for a while, and handling the obvious influx resulting from this.
100% agreed. Maintaining a self hosted web service is a demanding task. It's not about updating to get some new features right when they're out - it's about security, and it's a real pain. The installation can get messed, so what? You're not using the tool yet. You can get a new VM. But when you're updating the machine the holds your code (heck, even GitLab.com had their issues with updates!), or the machine that holds your mail service - things get scary. Installation is not at all the issue.
VS Code is actually nearly identical on all platforms just like Atom. I find Atom generally has more available plugins, but VS Code can’t be beat for TypeScript imo.
I think the tweet https://twitter.com/gitlab/status/1003409836170547200 and the homepage update https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/commit/7c9e6703... happened around the same time. I think #movingtogitlab caused the traffic.
I am reminded of the Ship of Theseus[0]. What percentage of people employed at Microsoft in the 1990s now remain some 20-30 years later? At what point is the company considered changed?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
Improving Electron can be done far cheaper and easier than acquiring a company.

The only thing GitHub has that Microsoft can't easily get on their own is the user base.
That's what this acquisition will be about.
I think this is a sign of good work-life balance—something not common in software-related fields. Sounds like you're competent and are doing good boring work. Lots of people would kill to be where you are.
Race baiting comment. Context is key. The article advocates equality and you cherry picked a wikipedia section of a historical and clearly wrong assumption. Look over the wiki and try to find something where Benjamin Rush does not advocate equality, then you can shoot your shot.
Not a Evernote user, but this looked interesting but for something like Evernote that I would want to have constantly open in the background, another Electron app is just too much of a battery hog.

Another alternative client someone recommended me a while ago is Alternote but never tried it ([0])

At the same time I'm not sure if it's a wise idea to rely on a third-party client for something essential to your workflow as it could get axed at any time. I personally am now with DEVONthink. It's not as sexy looking as this, but immensely powerful once you wrap your head around it

[0]: alternoteapp.com

[1]: https://www.devontechnologies.com/products/devonthink/overvi...
I have. It’s so absurdly lopsided against pure chance that it’s obvious I’m missing something (or more likely, many things)

Here’s a summary: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17125348
I don't think it's quite right to think of them as unexpended ordnance. They're more like signposted mines. In some ways they're only useful if they cover all possible paths through a solution space, since people can just avoid the minefield. How much overhead is there in trying to cover all the paths?

Even if you're just trying to catch out the unwary (or explicitly ignorant) who don't look for the mines, coverage of most routes is still pretty important.

This joint nature may affect value non-linearly, where A or B on their own are only worth X, but A and B together are worth 100X, or more.
Well, they can stop paying people to work on it and divorce GitHub from it entirely. I’m sure it would still available and worked on though.
> The whole point is that some people do want the control that comes with self-hosting, and GitHub does not provide a way to do that.

But they do though. It might be significantly more expensive than GitLab and also only sold in packs of 10 user licenses and also not allowed to be run in a public-facing capacity. But they definitely do have a self-hosted option.

https://enterprise.github.com/
> I'm also optimistic they'll revamp GitHub's pricing structure.

Well, it's Microsoft, so more complex tiering and tie in to MSDN should be on the road map.

> Their current price of $7 a month is absolutely absurd for individual developers.

How so?

>
I can get a pretty decent VPS for $2 a month cheaper.

Perhaps, so what? That's an unrelated service.

> Considering that most of their competitors give small teams free private repos, their price should be half of that.

Their competitors do that to build a user base and mind share in the face of GitHub’s huge advantage in network effects.
What about individuals who prefer tent dwelling and regular work (paid and volunteer) but eschew both illegal drug use and unemployment?

I have a tent I could call a home but am not entirely comfortable crashing wherever I can, although generally I like being outside as much as possible. Tent dwelling is also historically well-respected, hard housing being the niche of farmers and royalty. I'd go as far to say that if people in tents aren't safe it's not a good neighborhood, because tents are fragile. They're also not garbage: some of them are fireproof and UV resistant with two or three shells. And, if you've never built housing, I can tell you: it is a huge chore for hundreds of people, including chemical workers, lumberjacks, metalworkers, and coal miners.

Why not build a Black Rock City where the Burn never stops? If cities sponsored that niche, the gig economy would ramp up to "unstoppable machine" instantly. Sociologically, there's not much difference between a tent city at a festival and an apartment building with a range of incomes, in terms of deviancy and community struggles. From a housing and urban development perspective, some of the new textiles are better and more sustainable than industrial construction.
Something along the lines of "careful what you say over unsecured phone lines, as it may come back and hang you".
Aubrey de Grey at SENS. IIRC they're trying to clear out age-related damage rather than fully understand the mechanisms of aging first (as more mainstream researchers are doing).
I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with GitLab.com self-hosted runners and pushes. I can't place the CI runners not working entire days. Pushes to GitLab.com should not take minutes. They do take longer then to GitHub.com and we're working on performance improvements, including deprecating NFS for Gitaly and more performant size checks that just got merged.
@darkdimius[0], the person who tweeted the referenced tweet in the article, was arguably the primary contributor to Dotty[1] behind Martin Odersky (Dotty will be Scala 3, the next major version of the language).

Once he finished his doctorate at the EPFL, off to Stripe he went, bye bye Scala. Tough industry, on the one hand Scala benefits from a revolving door of high level EPFL doctoral students, and on the other the talent pool shifts around as students come and go.

Money talks, companies like Stripe have a leg up in that they can fund full-time engineers to work on projects, whereas institution backed projects typically have a much smaller pool of long-term engineers to rely on (JetBrains, for example, has something like 40 full-time engineers working on Kotlin/KotlinJS/Kotlin Native).

[0] https://github.com/DarkDimius
[1] https://github.com/lampepfl/dotty
I think it's fair to say that it's riskier to depend on a remote job than it is to depend on an on-site job.

That really sucks for your friend, by the way.
Have you tried Gitea [0]? It's incredibly easy to setup, and if you run it on Debian you can setup Unattended Upgrades [1] once then you pretty much never have to worry about it again.

[0] https://docs.gitea.io/en-US/

[1] https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
Most homeless persons in California qualify for Medi-Cal. They run into other problems however, which the ACA premise wouldn't solve (only traditional universal healthcare would), so they get stuck using free clinics.

https://californiahealthline.org/morning-breakout/many-calif...
yep, you can go fuck yourself.
Gogs is another great foss git alternative, and easier to run for small sites. We use it at ZeroTier.
given some high profile imports i wonder if some people got some insider news ahead of the (still seemingly unofficial) announcements.
> Meanwhile, I'd really like for people to stop hating Microsoft just because "Microsoft"

Why is that? Why should people forget how evil MS was and still is?
On Ubuntu you can install it on every computer in your house and still pay zero dollars and zero cents. LTS releases let you use the same core packages for the next 5 years.

Your OS can be configured to pull updates not only from official Canonical sources or those blessed by them but also any sources you please including your own. You can put up your own packages and use them just for you or promote them to all of planet earth. If you don't like a particular package or a particular version you can not update just that package although you might be unable to update others if they require the new package in question.

If you feel strongly about it you can fork and support old versions indefinately or take the package in your own direction.

Further you can even fork the entire ecosystem and not even call it Ubuntu anymore.

On Windows home you can't even decide not to update. You have to pay $99 per computer for that privilege and might have to pay again if you update say the motherboard. The windows store is only for apps that MS designates at its privilege and supposing you agree to give MS almost 1/3 of your revenue for a privilege it can revoke at its descretion at any time.

You can't fork Edge if you don't like how it works and if you could you wouldn't have the right to distribute such let alone create an alternative store/source usable by all for people to install/update such a creation.

You have pretty much misunderstood the entire point of open source software.
Some trippy posters in there. My favorite was the one where all of the NSA employees had lock mouths.

I was surprised how religious some of these were, beyond just "Merry Christmas, don't forget about security"

e.g "Christian ideals created freedom"
Just what I want to waste my time doing.
Not very much on topic, but is the book worth reading? I started a couple of times but always kinda tuned out at some point.
actually unless something recently changed, GitHub does, it's the enterprise edition and last time i checked it was like $10k a year. Yes, not reasonable for most people but it _is_ an option for people that want the control that comes with self hosting. Its feature set is also always lagging behind normal GitHub. The place i work used to use it (don't ask why). I think it's per-seat licenses but i remember it working out to ~$10k for us and we've got < 40 devs.
‘You and your children and grandchildren are going to suffocate’ sounds like a much better way for people to get across the dangers of burning fossil fuel than the vague threat of climate change. It’s personal and horrifying to contemplate.
Yes it’s partially cultural, but it also depends on the company. I work for a company in Tokyo (about 35 - 40 people, 90%+ Japanese). We work 7.5 hour days, go home on time, and can work remotely. (If you speak Japanese and like Python, we’re hiring!)

While the majority of large companies have this old style thinking, I think it will continue to change as the younger people get into positions to effect change.
This is what we call a backhanded compliment.
I would say companies change more than people change. Companies are made of people, but generally not the same people decades later, which allows for quite a bit of change.

Now if I could only get myself to believe this about Uber... Then again, it hasn't really been all that long.
That 19th century definition of Mongoloid is nonsensically arbitrary, so instead I was interpreting it in as generous a way as possible: residents of Mongolia or Haplogroup C3

The closest relatives of Genghis Khan, whom he claims is the source of superior intelligence, live overwhelmingly in modern day Mongolia and Kazakhstan. They are more related to Navajos than to modern Chinese, Japanese, Koreans or whoever else fits in that 19th century definition of "Mongoloid".
> The Silicon Valley hipster development ecosystem does not have a problem with how Google respects privacy.

I don’t think that’s the case anymore.

But then again “the SV hipster development ecosystem”. Who is that exactly?
PL/X and PL.8 may have various technical advantages over other languages, but it is hard to judge given IBM's long-standing refusal (going back decades) to publicly release compilers and other tools for them. From a software engineering viewpoint, developing your software in proprietary/in-house/unreleased programming languages – much of z/OS is written in PL/X, while some of the firmware/millicode is in PL.8 – seems to me a rather bizarre decision – not to mention other secret dialects of PL/I IBM has cooked up over the years, such as the PL/MP and PL/MI that were used on the AS/400s, and PL/DS on the IBM 8100. Why not release the languages, try to build some sort of community around them – wouldn't that be good for their long-term health, and the long-term health of the platforms written in them?

(Probably it is way too late for this, but if IBM had been willing to publicly release PL/S tools back in the 1970s, or at least not use their lawyers to stop others from independently doing that, PL/S and its descendants could have become much more significant systems programming languages.)
In what ways is Google but explicit about what they collect?
Agreed.

I love GitLab and it’s UI, but recently the performance of the hosted version is awful (not sure why - just being overloaded?).

In fact, even their own status page reflects it: https://status.gitlab.com/ - the current “project HTTP response time” is around one second which makes me cry when using the UI.

I wish them the best but would be moving to a competitor (or maybe a self-hosted GitLab) in the meantime until they sort it out.
It's a huge pdf. Maybe just download in background.
Abraham Lincoln was left in a cabin for 6 months, responsible for his sister, when he was 9 and she was 11. There were some dried berries to eat, and Abraham Lincoln could go hunt with a rifle. The house didn't have power or water.

He turned out OK. Modern social workers would have taken him. Heck, they'd literally swipe baby Jesus.
And hopefully kill SharePoint?
...the other paid accounts, which therefore must be uncompetitively priced,...

That doesn't follow. If the paid accounts are selling, then they must be priced appropriately relative to their competition and the value they provide. The cost doesn't factor into it - and free accounts are just a marketing cost, like putting up a billboard.
I recognise that Israel burns oil/gas to clean water, but I do not understand why it's not possible to use solar/wind instead.

Solar/wind is now comparable in price per kWh to the hydrocarbon cycle.
There are enough articles out there from hardware kickstarters that failed post-funding for me to believe that manufacturing new products on-price and on-time is insanely difficult. I'm sure Apple can design and manufacture 50+ iPhone prototypes for any yearly launch. But startups really only get one chance to get it right before their funding runs dry.
"all using the same provider" - could be the isp's dns server that was hacked.
Your childish use of the dollar symbols really diminishes any valid arguments you may actually have against Microsoft.
The usual argument is that it's just a waste with no safety benefit. Some states that previously required annual inspections have eliminated them, and traffic deaths per mile driven haven't increased.
That's the normal phone everyone used. Today, it would be a mobile. And talking about classified info, or even unclassified, but related stuff, was tantamount to sending out a broadcast
2019 EST (Elon Standard Time)
Rents are driven up by people who really, really want to rent.
The parent said at SF Bay Area pay. The easiest way to get that is start in Bay Area, do a great job and then move. Once you've moved and want a new remote job with that salary it's much harder.
If there are other things to use, it isn't much of a monopoly.
GitLab is awesome as a broke amateur dev with 0 way to really give back to GitLab the team was cool enough to send me a tshirt and stickers. Its come a long way since then but they seem to be awesome. I dont know if the msft acq is generally even a bad thing, but its great there are options either at GitLab.com or as a self-run service for people to change over to if they want. Congrats!
Not building equity == ploughing piles of money into better investments than a house...
At this point I don’t think anyone sane is seriously advocating for the adoption of Scala.
The parent said at SF Bay Area pay. Do you have that with your remote job(s).
I just straight up flag posts like this. No more time for this nonsense.
I once wrote to them to ask the cost.

>12 Months Committed Agreement at £15,000 for 150,000 Software Units and 100 active users

Seemed steep for 100 users.
Those of us who remember the '90s, know the Embrace when they see it. Github has already begun to Extend, with issues, web pages, wikis, and all the social networking stuff. This acquisition brings MS directly to the doorstep of Stage Three. I'd give them a year or two to set the hook before they make their move.
just mirrored to imgur: https://imgur.com/a/30Co0Q2
> Why is that? Why should people forget how evil MS was and still is?

I'm not asking for that, but making wild baseless predictions of how the service will go to shitter or how suddenly all private code will be ripped off and "I'm going to gitlab now, because Microsoft sucks!" is not part of a healthy discussion.

I do have some privacy concerns but they're no less than when Github was not owned by an enterprise software company; If anything I'd be more concerned about privacy if it were Google or Facebook making this acquisition.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17221777 and marked it off-topic.
Is it? I imagine VSS and their cloud source control offering (don’t remember the name) probably aren’t doing all that well in the face of GitHub.

They want to be a player in that game, so they’ll transition off they are old product which isn’t that popular onto a new one they purchased that has all the mind share.

As long as they don’t screw it up, and recent Microsoft seems to me like a company that won’t, it will benefit them. And perhaps it will benefit the user some to do have a company with deep pockets behind it.
I think the big problem is not so much centralisation as it is that people are locked into platforms.

There's nothing wrong with using Gmail for email hosting if you have your own domain name, it's easy to then switch over. But if you use an @gmail.com email address and Google decides to ban you, you're screwed.

Same story with Facebook, there are quite a few people that I would possibly never be able to contact again if Facebook banned me or them. This isn't a new problem caused by Facebook though, in previous years there was the same problem with email, and before that, if someone changed their address or phone number you'd lose contact. There are actually people who I lost contact with who I regained contact through Facebook.

Anyway, my point is that centralisation isn't bad if it's painless to decentralise again. Git and Github are fine, at work we could switch to a self hosted solution or Bitbucket in a fairly trivial amount of time. Same for our work emails, we could switch form Gmail to another host with fairly minimal disruption. Centralisation with locked ecosystems, like Facebook, are not good.