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>if the implication is that nobody should provide their personal data because it can be abused then is it not obvious that the use of personal data should be regulated?

I honestly thought this kind of reasoning was a right-wing caricature. No, it is not obvious that choices with risks attached should always be regulated away.

Disclosing information in proportion to trust is a basic life skill. I understand that many in the tech community are frustrated to see the general public failing to exercise this discipline, and maybe regulation is the best way to protect them from themselves, but that's not obvious.

>If the majority banks lost your money regularly, would you blame customers of the bank for using banks -- or would you say that banks should have stricter regulations to stop people from being screwed?

False dichotomy. You want a spectrum of financial products that depositors can choose from according to their risk tolerance. It's essential that we have stable, regulated, insured checking accounts. It's also essential that we have self-directed brokerage accounts.

>"just slapp[ing] some Amazon adds on [your] site" is not the correct approach to handling users' personal data.

A site sending your browser Amazon ads does not oblige it to execute or display them. And this isn't some secret backend upload. If someone is willing to use a site with this revenue model, why is that your business?
Is this the same in the UK?
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What's with the snark? At worst, OP can reject the suggestion and choose for himself. At best, he sees a different perspective. I didn't get any negativity from the parent's comment, just a suggestion.
"Get explicit consent for keeping data"

Thats the problem the internet runs on data and who decides what data is personal. For the past 20 years the MPAA has argued that IP's are personally identifiable and have won this argument in court cases, of course this is silly as it would make the internet illegal but that wont stop someone who has no idea how the internet works.

The EU has tried to fix privacy on the internet before with explicit consent of cookies, now every website tells you they can use cookies and gets a default ok, I agree, go away popup, from every user in the EU.

Will this stop facebook from spying on people tracking stuff that has nothing to do with facebook like who you phone? Nope, they make billions from spying on you and will spend a few million on lawyers to find them a loop hole.

Edit:
Someone in the office just had to accept a new privacy policy from Office 365, I assume its because of GDPR. The privacy policy was 25,000 words long, we don't have the legal knowledge or time to read and understand that. We have work to do so it was just accepted blindly.

What data did he explicitly consent to Microsoft keeping? Without a team of expensive lawyers we don't and won't know.
That's not true everywhere. Not only is it based on the state, it's also based on the individual school system. My mom is a retired school teacher in one of the 15 states that the article lists and she receives both a pension and social security. We are in the same state, but a different district and my wife who is also in the school system does not pay into social security.

But in our case, even if she did get social security, it makes more sense for her to choose to get social security at a rate half of mine than get her own. (https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/01/29/social-security-s...)
> Maybe its me, but I don't see what the restrictions would be to make an image which had a root FS inside it, without privileges.

There are many reasons why those restrictions exist, it's mainly related to what types of files you can create and how you could trivially exploit if the host if things like mknod(2) were allowed as unprivileged users. There's also some more subtle things like distributions having certain directories be "chmod 000" (which root can access because of CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE but ordinary users cannot, and you need to emulate CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE to make it work).

In short, yes you would think it's trivial (I definitely did when I implemented umoci's rootless support) but it's actually quite difficult in some places.

Also unprivileged FUSE is still not available in the upstream kernel, so you couldn't just write your own filesystem that generates the archives (and even if FUSE was unprivileged it would still be suboptimal over just being more clever about how you create the image).
That won't completely protect you, it would only greatly reduce your surface of exposure; the eu user could still reach you via a vpn or simply sign up while vising the US.
I know a guy working in their London office as a programmer and he makes £60k/year. So no, probably not.

Edit: in UK in general you won't be seeing £150k+ salaries as a programmer no matter who you work for, the only way to get there is contracting. Top paying salaried positions for really senior staff in London at financial companies top out at around £120-130k.
If your business model is based on something that will violate the GDPR, like streetlend selling user data to advertisers, then should you really be opening that business in the first place?
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On the contrary I think that without any regulation, Google and Facebook are able to completely entrench themselves and take advantage of us all in the process.
If your intention is to learn how to create or identify successful companies in the future, then yes, absolutely. You want to know what is different between successful companies and failed ones.
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Because it is has the potential to unseat C as the go to language for deeply embedded code. The safety aspect of Rust is quite compelling for Functional Safety applications in automotive, medical and aerospace domain. I can't wait for it to mature and be mass adopted.
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Google underpays heavily AFAIK.
I'm making the point government "overreach" or whatever you feel it is happens daily, and IMO, GDPR is the least inappropriate of those.

I would imagine it's incredibly easy for many US companies, like e.g. a restaurant or a tire-repair shop to prove they don't explicitly go after EU subjects.

Since I was elaborating on how the EU and EU nationals feel like the GDPR is appropriate in addressing the risk of privacy violations - which part of that did you feel like didn't address your comment of "Except that approach ignores the nature of risk"?
From GDPR itself:

Natural persons may be associated with online identifiers provided by their devices, applications, tools and protocols, such as internet protocol addresses, cookie identifiers or other identifiers such as radio frequency identification tags. This may leave traces which, in particular when combined with unique identifiers and other information received by the servers, may be used to create profiles of the natural persons and identify them.

My emphasis.
Couldn't you achieve the same thing in C++ by using message passing between threads instead of shared memory? That way, you would get safe parallelisation without having to fight the borrow checker in every part of the program. I understand that having safety statically enforced at compile time is a real gain in terms of eliminating that class of bugs. However, the mental cost a Rust programmer pays for that trade (due to borrow checker) seems too high for me if you can get the same thing simply by shifting your programming patterns slightly.
Hope they release a "My Startup is Killing It" package.
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Whether the article is biased or not, it is interesting enough to have a good conversation. It's very appropriate for HN.
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The risk is an EU court telling google to stop dealing with you because you're in violation, or even worse: a payment processor like Visa. No to mention that you and your employees are now unable to safely fly anywhere within the EU or anywhere with an extradition treaty with them.
Have you tried it? If you have - why do you think it shouldn't be as popular as it is? If not, perhaps in using it you will discover why it is popular.
How much sleep someone needs varies a lot. Maybe the non-complainers simply didn't need that much sleep?
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Isn’t that assuming that lack of sleep affects everyone in the same way? Different people need different amounts of sleep.

I am a night owl and so find a shitty nights sleep will result in a shitty morning; but I’ll feel much better by the end of the day. Whereas a morning person might wake up without issues and only pay the price later on (and counter with an early night).
Even without external consistency, a I'm having trouble coming up with an ordering of the transactions that yields [1], [1, 10], [1, 1, 10].

Is that because PostgreSQL's "SERIALIZABLE" doesn't follow the "some serial order" definition? Or maybe I'm missing something else?
This is a good place to mention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipparcos and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_(spacecraft)

Had I not drop out from my PhD studies my thesis would be about photometric system for GAIA :(
I still torrent music too.

I agree it’s a bit lax and my
Opsec probably isn’t the most consistent with my comment history here but I’d rather be honest with an employer than lie anyways. I’ve lost at least one or two interviews this way, but I see it as a positive thing. I’m not particularly good at not being myself, which is something I’ve had difficulty with at the workplace. But seriously thanks for pointing out; it’s not something I’ve considered much on HN.
I agree on this. When you have big businesses commercially incentivised to promote addictive behaviour it's going to be hard to change the collective behaviour and its potentially harmful impact
The problem with this thinking is this "aptitude" is something which comes naturally. I was drilled with this "aptitude" nonsense when I was a student where the teachers would say that if a person "gets" a problem and finds a solution then he is a natural for the subject.

In my practical experience I find that to get the "aptitude" requires a lot of effort put in it. It definitely would vary depending on the person and his experiences but practicing it is very important to go forward.
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The party host is not using bcc because he/she wants everyone to be aware of who has been invited to the party.

I guess it boils down to your default usage of email; I've never had an email client before Inbox that does 'reply all' by default.
I suspect knowing the fundamentals gets you pretty far, just knowing that UV and masks are a way to do it is enough for people to re-create the tech given the resources. Maybe e-beam would be a easier start? IDK.

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He had the blessing until he went for the trademark in Europe. In 2015 France.com didn't exist as trademark, then was registered by France.com Inc and at that point France declared prior use on the word France and related trademarks.

They let him use it until he tried to claim it for himself.
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If what it says on the blog is correct then he is using affiliate links for amazon for similar products to what you search.

At it's core it is the most ethical a free service can make money (aside from donations).
He isn't selling the data or showing personally targeted ads. (Of course it could be using some amazon plugin that does it anyway for convenience or from ignorance, but he can do it without it through amazon apis)
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Probably in part because it's exactly those developers that see how easy it is to leak data to third parties that won't respect it at all and will track the everliving shit out of it.

I'm fully behind the GDPR. It might not be perfect, but I've read the law and it's surprisingly straightforward and sane.
No, you can't. It's either performance or bugs – look at the big C++ projects.
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I find it interesting because of the novel approach to memory management. It is deterministic and zero-overhead like C, C++ and similar, while at the same time safe like garbage collected languages. I think of it like a compile-time garbage collection.

I wouldn't use it as an alternative to garbage collected languages since garbage collection is just simpler overall, but I would consider using it as a safer alternative to C or C++.
> Don't screw around. Get your sleep.

Not always an option. My body wants to sleep during the day and be awake during the night. My boss does not agree with this schedule so I have to show up at the office when it's still light out. The end result is that I get maybe 5-6 hours of sleep a night. I don't see a way around this as I unfortunately need to have a job to survive.
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So -basically- SO says that a lot of its contributors behave like bullies but, being unable to actually yell at them (because SO needs them) tries to fuzzy out/alleviate the issue by taking the blame for them. I don't see any way that can work out.
For what is worth I can testify my own little experience from that pit.
* Contributors who downvote other answers without any excuse/explanation/commend (I guess it makes their own answer seem better).
* A tiny minority of users ever upvoting (that's a largely thankless community).
* Moderators that are being extra harsh with language usage (I'd say most of SO users are not native English speakers but this does not stop some native ones considering themselves somehow superior). *Extended usage of points, badges and several other facebooky notifications to tap into your dopamine receptors.
Years ago I noticed that when I used meditation techniques to quiet my mind, it made me sleepy. It's possible that it was just revealing a bit of underlying sleepiness that was usually masked by busy activity. So, I started using it when I was having trouble sleeping, and it worked like a charm. I've been doing it for years and taught my kids how to do it. My elementary school kid, who tended to be on the anxious side, really liked it.

Only problem is that now I get even sleepier when I try to meditate. ;-) Oh, well, I'd rather sleep well than meditate if I can't have both.
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> No, it is not obvious that choices with risks attached should always be regulated away.

The assumption is that all users are actively making a choice. Many are not aware of the choices they are making, and I think it's wrong to punish them for it -- when companies profit off this lack of literacy and people rush to their defense whenever people start talking about regulation.

I don't want companies like Google and Amazon to be able to hoard massive amounts of personal information about a large portion of the world's population, and not have to respect the rights of the people whose information they have acquired.

> You want a spectrum of financial products that depositors can choose from according to their risk tolerance.

If effectively everyone of importance just uses Amazon (or Google) ads then you don't get a "spectrum" and there's no choice involved. You have an option to either use or not use a majority of the internet. Yes, you can use ad-blockers but that's not a long-term solution.

> A site sending your browser Amazon ads does not oblige it to execute or display them. And this isn't some secret backend upload. If someone is willing to use a site with this revenue model, why is that your business?

Most users are not aware of how these things work. I agree that if everyone knew how to block those ads and what the actual problems are with them, then things like GDPR might be less necessary (though the right to retract consent is something that should be enforced).

But even then, ad-blockers are a defense against an industry that is over-stepping ethical boundaries every day. At which point do you say that companies which inflict systemic violations of ethics on billions of people should be held accountable? Or is it always the fault of the people because they didn't care enough about their personal information?
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In most jurisdictions a limit a limited company has to have a board and a CEO. You can outsource middle management- this is what McKinsey, Bain, BSG etc essentially do, but you can't legally outsource the guys at the very top.
>> You can hire a data protection officer at a legal firm for almost nothing

What? Define almost nothing. For small businesses it is a wishful thinking they can hire anybody from a legal firm. They probably don't even have a lawyer or a legal department as they can't afford such luxury.
I think it is in pretty poor taste to start handing out free parenting advice without knowing anything about the situation.

If someone asks 'should I let my one year old daughter sleep in my bed' you could make that suggestion but when someone mentions this anecdotally then you have no business sticking your oar in in that way. And most comments that start out with 'respectfully' aren't, this one is no exception.
Who lost his business because of GDPR? I see a man who decided not to bother with informing himself about how to treat user data properly, and instead shut down his app.
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Of course it's fucking sufficient, that's literally the definition of "legitimate interest" [0]. I write comment. I want you to publish comment. You publish comment, and don't spam me - maybe even don't require my email.

If you say, "hey, provide your email, and I'll send you newsletters and you can unsubscribe at any time", and I say "sweet, sign me up", and then you only send me newsletters with no tracking or adtech, that's legitimate interest.

If you use a third party, if they store only the minimum necessary and don't use it for anything else, that'd be fine to. E.g. obviously they need my email address, but only for sending the emails.

And if Mailchip were decent, they'd just send out plain emails. The problem is probably their emails are full of tracking links and other adtech garbage, and who knows who they sell info on to?

Then again, they call themselves a marketing platform, not a newsletter service, or email sender. Kind of obvious.

Also, that's a shitty dialog. Mailchimp's private policy and terms are probably largely void under EU law anyway, just by being almost incomprehensible by the lay person. How am I supposed to give consent freely when it would take days to read? Probably best to avoid Mailchimp. Thanks GDPR!

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[0] https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-the-general-da...
>he problem is what happens if a legal firm or an agency targets you. Even if you adhered to the spirit of the law, they can dig up evidence that you didn't obey the letter of the law (since GDPR is quite loose and ambiguous).

>Small tech owners can't fight such litigations. I am kind of baffled how this point evades so many people in this thread.

Isn't this the same with the other laws, like copyright,trademark, patents, software licenses?
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Other way around. This business was opened half a decade ago, with users being perfectly fine with it (or it wouldn't have stuck around). The GDPR on the other hand has flown under the radar and only suddenly became a thing that service providers (generic "service", not "internet service providers") were made aware of in legal context. So if we're raising eyebrows, it's at the EU and the GDPR. Not at sites that have operated to user's satisfaction for five+ years.
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So you'd like to read it in ancient chinese? Or a word-by-word literal translation of it?

There are always going to be some changes in grammar...
I wouldn't suggest anyone to develop SAML support on their own unless they want to sell that as a component or service by itself. Instead, I'd strongly recommend that they look for libraries that have been around for sometime that take the grunt work out and provide high level APIs for the application to invoke. With this approach, supporting SAML becomes a whole lot easier and quicker to accomplish. One may have to pay real money though, depending on the platform, framework and language. Free ones in this area, to the extent of my research, come up short on reliability.

Also, the most common use cases are related to browsers, and don't need the entire specification of SAML to be implemented, like all the profiles, for example.
> However, the mental cost a Rust programmer pays for that trade (due to borrow checker) seems too high for me

In C++ land, you'd have to use TSan thread sanitizer and a lot of other tooling (ASan, Valgrind, etc) to achieve even close to the same level of confidence. Not only is this a runtime check but all that tooling has a fairly heavy mental cost too.
I've had this exact problem especially on nights before important or stessful events the next morning such as job interviews.

At first, the anxiety of the interview is what keeps me up. Then, as it gets later and I check the clock, I get stressed about the lack of sleep I'll have the next day.

Sometimes getting up, going to another room and getting a glass of water before returning to bed and resetting the process has helped.
> It's their fucking job to make sure laws are not in violation of the constitution.

Well, not really: That's the constitutional court's job.
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